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Hello,
I am considering buying an unlocked Lumia 800, for both use on AT&T's network in the States and then abroad in the Middle East during the later half of the Summer. I have never bought an unlocked device before, so I just wanted to ask about the differences between the UK and US phones -- I believe electrical outlets are different between the two areas thus the need for an adapter -- and if I'll have any troubles popping out my SIM card with my current phone and switching between the two. Abroad, I've planned on getting a local plan in the city I'm visiting, so I don't expect any trouble there.
Regarding the Lumia 800, does anyone have an idea about the pricing and how it fluctuates? Full retail at sites like Expansys are about 700 USD, while others in Asia and Europe are hovering around 500-600 USD. Obviously, I've got around 6 months to wait, so I'm anticipating it coming down to a more palatable 400 USD.
Thanks for any advice.
Most sites that will export to US will include a power charger adaptor. I got a universal plug converter with my order. So, you won't need to worry about that.
Expansys is expensive. You can currently order the black from Amazon for 509.99. I ordered my Cyan from handtec.co.uk for 353GBP + 15 for shipping (about $584 USD). Depending on where you order the phone, you'll need to fill out paperwork for the FCC to approve the import. If you order from Amazon, this should already have been done, as the phone was already imported. Since I ordered directly from UK, I got a call from FedEx to fill out the forms while the plane was still in the air. Was the fastest shipping I'd ever seen. 36hrs from ordering from UK to receiving here in Seattle.
Be aware, also, that current versions of the Lumia 800 do not support the AT&T 850Mhz for 3G. For me, this is noticeable in my apartment, but nowhere else. If you wait a month or so, the US variant (RM-819) supporing WCDMA V (850MHz) will become available unlocked direct from Microsoft.
its 500 on amazon and comes with an adapter. newegg is $550 and works on 850 i ordered there and it came with the adapter.
falconeight said:
its 500 on amazon and comes with an adapter. newegg is $550 and works on 850 i ordered there and it came with the adapter.
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Can you confirm that Newegg sells the variant that works on WCDMA 850? This isn't the same as GSM 850. They show the Lumia 800 as a deactivated item. And, when it was active, it show the same incorrect WCDMA bands as most other retailers out there.
Thanks for the quick responses. I didn't know about the incompatible 3G bands or the US version's upcoming release, so I'll wait and see if I can get a decent deal there. Also, newegg was shown as unavailable when I last checked.
I did just see the Lumia 900 was announced, with a release date pegged for March. My upgrade is sometime around May-July, so that may be for consideration. Only problem will be AT&T's policy on exclusive phones and mid-contract for unlocking phones. Hopefully, the homebrew scene gets more active as more users get onto the platform -- I'm thinking of a parallel with the iPhone jailbreak/unlocking bits from the iPhone Dev Team.
I'd wait until early February for them to be sold unlocked in Microsoft retail stores and online.
Should (hopefully) be cheaper than what it costs to import one currently. It's hard to wait though and I'm dying to get one. lol
darkintragedy said:
I'd wait until early February for them to be sold unlocked in Microsoft retail stores and online.
Should (hopefully) be cheaper than what it costs to import one currently. It's hard to wait though and I'm dying to get one. lol
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Not so sure about that. It'll still be slightly exclusive for a bit. I also think that it's going to be bundled with a few other things.
I'm looking forward to the availability of the c-1031 sleeves that come with the phones. I'd like a spare cyan, and then one of each color, for the fun of it.
anseio said:
Can you confirm that Newegg sells the variant that works on WCDMA 850? This isn't the same as GSM 850. They show the Lumia 800 as a deactivated item. And, when it was active, it show the same incorrect WCDMA bands as most other retailers out there.
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Yep it does and I own it. It has it in the listing and if its wrong return it. I am in Colorado Spring and have the same coverage as my wife's iPhone 4s.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875205257
falconeight said:
Yep it does and I own it. It has it in the listing and if its wrong return it. I am in Colorado Spring and have the same coverage as my wife's iPhone 4s.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875205257
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This is going to sound rude, but I don't believe it. It's already been admitted by many UK retailers that they posted the specs that Nokia has on their website, which are incorrect.
There are two versions of the Lumia 800. The EU Variant (RM-801), which is quad GSM and tri WCDMA 900/1900/2100; and a US variant (RM-819), which is also quad GSM, but tri WCDMA 850/900/1900. The US variant has not been released yet, neither has its firmware. There are quite a few people waiting on that firmware to see if it may open up 850 on the RM-801. That depends on if the devices are tri-band due to hardware limitations or firmware limitations.
This can be confirmed by referencing the outermost packaging that your Lumia came in. The one with the bar codes on it. What is the FCC ID line? I'll attach a photo of mine.
Given that AT&T uses a lot of the 1900 WCDMA bandwidth, you probably won't notice a difference between it and a 4s. Here's how I can tell the difference. I own a Nokia 6700 classic (tri WCDMA 900/1900/2100). I owned it before AT&T put out the HSPA upgrades and I got amazing reception in my apartment. After HSPA rolled out, my signal got really shotty and kept dropping out and down to 2G. I then got a Telstra HTC HD2 (850MHz). It functions perfectly in my apartment and does not drop down to 2G. I can tether at HSPA w/o needing to have my phone right up against the window in order to keep 3G signal.
Now that I have the Lumia 800 (RM-801), I cannot keep good 3G in my apartment, but 2G is fine. This means that the 850 band is the one that bends enough to get inside. The 1900 glances by.
I'm willing to bet that Newegg may have done what most other sellers did and just pasted the specs w/o verifying. After all, why would they need to, right? Nokia should have put out the correct information to start with.
anseio said:
This is going to sound rude, but I don't believe it. It's already been admitted by many UK retailers that they posted the specs that Nokia has on their website, which are incorrect.
There are two versions of the Lumia 800. The EU Variant (RM-801), which is quad GSM and tri WCDMA 900/1900/2100; and a US variant (RM-819), which is also quad GSM, but tri WCDMA 850/900/1900. The US variant has not been released yet, neither has its firmware. There are quite a few people waiting on that firmware to see if it may open up 850 on the RM-801. That depends on if the devices are tri-band due to hardware limitations or firmware limitations.
This can be confirmed by referencing the outermost packaging that your Lumia came in. The one with the bar codes on it. What is the FCC ID line? I'll attach a photo of mine.
Given that AT&T uses a lot of the 1900 WCDMA bandwidth, you probably won't notice a difference between it and a 4s. Here's how I can tell the difference. I own a Nokia 6700 classic (tri WCDMA 900/1900/2100). I owned it before AT&T put out the HSPA upgrades and I got amazing reception in my apartment. After HSPA rolled out, my signal got really shotty and kept dropping out and down to 2G. I then got a Telstra HTC HD2 (850MHz). It functions perfectly in my apartment and does not drop down to 2G. I can tether at HSPA w/o needing to have my phone right up against the window in order to keep 3G signal.
Now that I have the Lumia 800 (RM-801), I cannot keep good 3G in my apartment, but 2G is fine. This means that the 850 band is the one that bends enough to get inside. The 1900 glances by.
I'm willing to bet that Newegg may have done what most other sellers did and just pasted the specs w/o verifying. After all, why would they need to, right? Nokia should have put out the correct information to start with.
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My box looks nothing like that and doesn't have any of those markings. That is a Nokia lumia 800 box for a carrier. I also have had phones that don't support 850 and I don't get 3g/4g on them. I do on this phone
falconeight said:
My box looks nothing like that and doesn't have any of those markings. That is a Nokia lumia 800 box for a carrier. I also have had phones that don't support 850 and I don't get 3g/4g on them. I do on this phone
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Our stickers may look different, because I have the Cyan version.
According to Nokia customer care, and many other articles online, your device does not have 850MHz. The product code is RM-801.
http://forums.wpcentral.com/lumia-800/184412.htm
http://discussions.nokiausa.com/t5/...ne/Lumia-800-UMTS-850Mhz-support/td-p/1236631 (look at the 2nd to last post).
I have the black from Amazon's intial selling - so spent low $600s but haven't looked back.
The box DID include a USA outlet adaptor.
If you're on ATT, you still have a good shot of getting 3G if you're in a major area.
I'm T-Mobile, so only getting EDGE - but still lovvin it!
anseio said:
Our stickers may look different, because I have the Cyan version.
According to Nokia customer care, and many other articles online, your device does not have 850MHz. The product code is RM-801.
http://forums.wpcentral.com/lumia-800/184412.htm
http://discussions.nokiausa.com/t5/...ne/Lumia-800-UMTS-850Mhz-support/td-p/1236631 (look at the 2nd to last post).
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There is no US variant right now
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There is no US variant right now
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Have you actually READ anything about this phone?
Of course there's a US variant. It's getting released possibly next month.
Why the product codes are mentioned is so that people can confirm that sellers are indeed selling the right bands as they quote. There is no quad band WCDMA Lumia 800 until you can prove otherwise. There is no information on your device that contradicts anything that I've already quoted.
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Have you actually READ anything about this phone?
Of course there's a US variant. It's getting released possibly next month.
Why the product codes are mentioned is so that people can confirm that sellers are indeed selling the right bands as they quote. There is no quad band WCDMA Lumia 800 until you can prove otherwise. There is no information on your device that contradicts anything that I've already quoted.
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Come on those links you posted are before it was announced. I have the 850 variant because that is the band in my area. You don't because you have the UK model that was released unlocked for the UK. Until you can provide information other than hearsay that there is no 850 then your just spreading rumor.
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I called Nokia after getting the number off of twitter and there are variants that have the 850 wcdma that are unlocked. I gave them my imei number and my phone is from Norway which has the 850 band. You can check the country specific website and they list the correct bands.
http://www.nokia.com/no-no/produkter/telefon/lumia800/spesifikasjoner/
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Come on those links you posted are before it was announced. I have the 850 variant because that is the band in my area. You don't because you have the UK model that was released unlocked for the UK. Until you can provide information other than hearsay that there is no 850 then your just spreading rumor.
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I'm curious to know how you seem to be the only person around xda who has 850Mhz on his Lumia 800.
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I'm curious to know how you seem to be the only person around xda who has 850Mhz on his Lumia 800.
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Why am I the only one? How do you know?
GSM 850mhz like mine I bet. I get 3G at 3-4mbit/1 speed on AT&T. What speed are you getting falcon?
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Why am I the only one? How do you know?
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Because no one else here has posted an image or anything definitive that their Lumia 800 has 850MHz on it. Only product literature from the selling website.
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That is a Nokia lumia 800 box for a carrier.
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Not true.
My Lumia is unlocked and unbranded. It was shipped directly from Nokia in Helsinki and I have that box too.
Supposed to have GSM+CDMA + LTE bands for the big 3 (Tmobile, Verizon, ATT : 2/4/5/12/13/17, pentaband 3G)
ATT likes to whitelist phones for LTE/HD Voice (if this phone isn't on their whitelist, you need to jump through hoops to get LTE access, and very difficult get HD Voice/VoLTE to work properly)
Sprint has some issues too(5X/6P doesn't have wifi calling on Sprint), and you kinda want 2xCA/3xCA no sprint, so pointless to talk about them
Verizon - they are required to allow band 13 devices if device passes technical certificate. (points to HTC One A9 and them cancelling Verizon VoLTE support)
T-mobile - They want devices to pass their VoLTE technical cert process. Otherwise they demand manufacturers to disable band 12 (due to concerns of no 911 if you only have band 12 LTE data, and phone doesn't drop to another carrier for 911). Similar issues with Wifi calling (Moto X Pure doesn't have wifi calling)
B&H lists phone to be release in April/May, can't find any FCC docs yet
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http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1239314-REG/lg_lgrs988_ausasv_g5_h850_32gb_smartphone.html
Under Q&A, Steve (staff at B&H) says there is band 12 VoLTE support, but do you trust him?
http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-RS988-Silver-g5
LG actually has it on the website.
I still wouldn't trust B&H nor LG until someone has a RS988 model on hand to confirm it.
The "R" signifies LTE in Rural America, a joint effort between Verizon and various small CDMA operators to improve coverage. Basically, Verizon let these smaller operators set up shop on Band 13, in exchange for on-network roaming (both for Verizon customers on the LRA network, and LRA customers on Verizon's network). Some of these operators also have their own networks on other LTE bands, such as Bluegrass Cellular on Band 12 (in addition to Band 13), and some have roaming agreements with other carriers (Sprint). This is why the LRA model is chock full o' bands.
I wonder if the LRA model is bootloader unlockable like the T-Mobile model...
b&h said the phone is expected to be released by may 11th, i wander if anyone else is going to sale it?
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Some of these operators also have their own networks on other LTE bands, such as Bluegrass Cellular on Band 12 (in addition to Band 13), and some have roaming agreements with other carriers (Sprint). This is why the LRA model is chock full o' bands.
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except that this model doesn't support Sprint (missing band 26/41)... oh well
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except that this model doesn't support Sprint (missing band 26/41)... oh well
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Bands 26 and 41 are only needed for tri-band LTE Plus / Spark connectivity. Band 25 (which this LRA model has) is Sprint's primary LTE band. I suspect that either one of the LRA carriers has its own Band 25 network, or has a roaming agreement with Sprint but only has roaming access to Band 25.
For Sprint customers, the bigger issue is whether Sprint will allow it on their network. I recall that when the Moto X Pure was first released, people had to request Sprint to add the device's IMEI to the approved device database in order to use it on Sprint. I suspect that reps won't as easily add another carrier's variant of the G5 to their approved database, when Sprint is selling its own model.
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The "R" signifies LTE in Rural America, a joint effort between Verizon and various small CDMA operators to improve coverage. Basically, Verizon let these smaller operators set up shop on Band 13, in exchange for on-network roaming (both for Verizon customers on the LRA network, and LRA customers on Verizon's network). Some of these operators also have their own networks on other LTE bands, such as Bluegrass Cellular on Band 12 (in addition to Band 13), and some have roaming agreements with other carriers (Sprint). This is why the LRA model is chock full o' bands.
I wonder if the LRA model is bootloader unlockable like the T-Mobile model...
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Thanks a bunch for this information
I knew for a while something was off with the R and figured it signified something else since the name is so drastically different than the other phones in this lineup.
I went to see the phone in person, it's pretty nice, I like the Titan color, the gold is too light
B&H bootloader
I emailed B&H last week with questions, one concerning bootloader; It took 5 days for an answer but a tech support guy named Adam replied that it was unlocked; I emailed him back, asking if he knew the difference between unlocked sims and bootloader and he replied back and confirmed he did and bootloader was unlocked; This info is likely unreliable but the fact B&H doesn't have a vested interest in carriers and this would give them an edge on sales, we can still have hope. I won't be able to buy one until May when their stock come in though
Wow, it's going to be available on Amazon starting May 1
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DJE22C2...olid=K5RKTG1CO0AE&coliid=I1T763APP0P7E3&psc=1
Guess others will be getting it as well.
Amazon now listed for rs988 G5
thanks for info - looks like the only difference is the color, both same price, free shipping - one more reason to hope LG will allow unlocking bootloader - we will now see how serious is their claim to be "developer friendly" from what I'm hearing lately doesn't seem like US models are included for bootloader unlocking but still hoping.
B&H is silver (last 2 letters of model I'm guessing)
Amazon is titan (dark gray)
also check out the lte bands to be sure they are supported by the carrier you intend to use (mostly look good but a few specialty bands aren't there - there is another xda link to that but I can't remember the thread
The good thing about Shipped and Sold by Amazon.com these devices go on sale quick. For example, the Xperia Z5 went on sale at $599.99 and in about two weeks fell to $539.99.
$600 on Sale would be a nice sweet spot for this phone.
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thanks for info - looks like the only difference is the color, both same price, free shipping - one more reason to hope LG will allow unlocking bootloader - we will now see how serious is their claim to be "developer friendly" from what I'm hearing lately doesn't seem like US models are included for bootloader unlocking but still hoping.
B&H is silver (last 2 letters of model I'm guessing)
Amazon is titan (dark gray)
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You can buy the Titan G5 from B&H, that's what I pre-ordered and it arrived yesterday. I'm using it on AT&T and everything seems to be working fine (no HD Voice, of course, but that's expected when using an unlocked device).
excellent, thanks - so it appears you can get both silver and titan from B&H (probably from Amazon also) Did you see if bootloader was locked (I figured it would be and the salesman who twice told me it was unlocked and that he knew what the bootloader meant, was yanking my chain....
There is an option to OEM Unlock in the developers settings. How to verify bootloader is unlocked?
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sm partition disk:179,0 private worked to make the SD adoptable - migrated data, all looks fine.
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adb reboot bootloader doesn't put it into fastboot mode, adb reboot recovery gives the dead droid logo
The bootloader question would better be answered by the Guru's as it was first thought that the T-Mobile variant was unlocked but turned out not to actually be truly unlocked - I suspect it will be the same as the T-Mobile version - unlockable but not actually unlocked (If LG gives us the codes) I have sent several emails to LG concerning this and basically told them that, if they are truly "developer friendly" now is the time to prove it.... (diplomatically of course) I fear that the idea of modular phones won't take off if they keep the software locked down and don't follow through with the promises.
jeffreytz said:
You can buy the Titan G5 from B&H, that's what I pre-ordered and it arrived yesterday. I'm using it on AT&T and everything seems to be working fine (no HD Voice, of course, but that's expected when using an unlocked device).
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So did you get my issue with the phone like the reviewers point out? Also did you get headphones in the box?
snaketooth2007 said:
So did you get my issue with the phone like the reviewers point out? Also did you get headphones in the box?
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No headphones in the box, just the QuickCharge 3.0 charger and cable. What issue are you referring to?
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No headphones in the box, just the QuickCharge 3.0 charger and cable. What issue are you referring to?
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Awe I was expecting headphones oh well. Issues like screen warp,light bleed , and chin alignment.
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Awe I was expecting headphones oh well. Issues like screen warp,light bleed , and chin alignment.
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I bought this from B&H and I'm not sure about the light bleed (I consider it a fringe issue), but the chin alignment is pretty good and the screen warp is still an issue
Anyone have any luck with getting volte to work on tmobile i have been trying and not having any luck
Hey guys any help with this would be amazing. I grabbed this for really cheap the other day and thought it would be able to use ATT LTE since others have had success but no matter what it will only connect to H+ even when LTE finder finds the band I wanted. Really frusted as I thought I got the right model. There is only ONE international one right? Any help would be really appreciated. Thanks you guys. Hopefully I didn't mess up and get a wrong version or something though I can return it if I did.
I'm having the same issue, but on T-mobile! I don't know how to fix this.
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I'm having the same issue, but on T-mobile! I don't know how to fix this.
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What I can't understand or just not knowing is the amazon version I have does 1,3,5,8 and up but the listings on Ebay have them 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,12 etc...basically all bands which I can't seem to figure out. Is there a difference? I have the UK model which is the Worldwide model not the chinese one but are there OTHER regional differences that unlock more bands? Is there a way to manually force this if so? I figured return to amazon and then get the ebay version but that is stupid if they are incorrect and they really dont' cover 2,4,5,12 for ATT that is needed.
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What I can't understand or just not knowing is the amazon version I have does 1,3,5,8 and up but the listings on Ebay have them 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,12 etc...basically all bands which I can't seem to figure out. Is there a difference? I have the UK model which is the Worldwide model not the chinese one but are there OTHER regional differences that unlock more bands? Is there a way to manually force this if so? I figured return to amazon and then get the ebay version but that is stupid if they are incorrect and they really dont' cover 2,4,5,12 for ATT that is needed.
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I searched around today and found this. Scroll down to the connectivity part and you see that the phone supports 1 of 5 ATT LTE bands, and 0 of 5 T-Mobile LTE bands. However, I'm not sure if this information is accurate since my phone detects a neighboring band 4 LTE cell tower (which my old phone instantly connected to), but does not connect to it. Also, why is the rest of the forum quiet about this issue? Is it really just me and you that are experiencing it (or that live in the US)? I also am very confused why Huawei removed the USSD code menu option wherein you could force it to LTE. I've heard that changing something in the build.prop can force it, but you need to be rooted for that, and I've gotten bored of rooting phones lol (and the risks involved).
Luckily, for me, this isn't that big of a problem as data still works (albeit slowly), and in the beginning of September I'll be in France for at least a year. So, I made sure that this phone's bands matched up with what the carriers are on in France, so hopefully I should be fine. Otherwise, it's a sleek, awesome phone.
Honor 10 isnt made for US and US bands, even if its the global version. The bands in US are different from those in EU or Asia.
As the guy above confirmed this, the it has just one LTE compatbile band at ATT.
the one on ebay global version from Singapore is not what u think. there's a misprint on its ad. these are the actual bandwidths it supports ;
col~L29
Primary SIM card:
4G LTE TDD: B38/B40/B41
4G LTE FDD: B1/B3/B5/B7/B8/B19/B20
3G WCDMA: B1/B2/B5/B8/B6/B19
2G GSM: B2/B3/B5/B8
Secondary SIM card:
4G LTE TDD: B38/B40/B41
4G LTE FDD: B1/B3/B5/B7/B8/B19/B20
3G WCDMA: B1/B2/B5/B8/B6/B19
2G GSM: B2/B3/B5/B8
I want to tweak the build. prop, too, but root is required but, unfortunately, Huawei pulled that recent maneuver everyone frustrated about.
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the one on ebay global version from Singapore is not what u think. there's a misprint on its ad. these are the actual bandwidths it supports ;
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Primary SIM card:
4G LTE TDD: B38/B40/B41
4G LTE FDD: B1/B3/B5/B7/B8/B19/B20
3G WCDMA: B1/B2/B5/B8/B6/B19
2G GSM: B2/B3/B5/B8
Secondary SIM card:
4G LTE TDD: B38/B40/B41
4G LTE FDD: B1/B3/B5/B7/B8/B19/B20
3G WCDMA: B1/B2/B5/B8/B6/B19
2G GSM: B2/B3/B5/B8
I want to tweak the build. prop, too, but root is required but, unfortunately, Huawei pulled that recent maneuver everyone frustrated about.
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Yeap its a bit dead end without unlocking the bootloader. I dont know if by building and compiling original firmware from released sources and make the changes there, if it would allow you to install it.
Yes I too can pick up band 4 on LTE finder on my phone but I cannot use it, if I could then I would have fine coverage. If I go 5 miles away the other half of the city has full ATT LTE 5 coverage so I was bummed LOL when I went up there and saw full bars LTE+ LOL. Yeah the ebay guys are just putting false info then. I have my bootloader code to unlock as I have done to my V10 but not sure how that would enable the other band 4 I need. I don't have quite that much experience.
I don't know if there is something comparable to this available to be done (since Honor 10 has a Kirin and not a qualcomm), but I'm just going to leave this here for now.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/general/how-to-add-rf-lte-frequency-bands-to-t2886059
I don't know if Honor went the route of having a few more lte bands and just disabling them in software since my phone does detect band 4 lte, but can't connect to it, but what do I know.
I have the same issue on t-mobile network.
From all the research i did it looks like the US bands are software locked. P20 supports all LTE bands (including US) and it runs on the same chipset, Kirin 970. Also as few people said, they are able to see band 4 in LTE discovery (and other apps), I can see it as well, but can't connect.
As for the software to unlock lte bands, there is nothing like that for Kirin right now.
The only option for now is to find the right modem files, edit them and flash to the device. At least that's the only thing that comes to my mind.
I'm digging through source files, which were released by Huawei, whenever i have a chance, but i'm not even sure what I'm looking for.
really sucks because of all the phones I have (a lot LOL) this is by far my favorite one to use, the way the backing was slightly curved and everyting is just perfect except for that pesky LTE issue. I know they are software locked like you said but have no way of getting it unlocked. I hve picked up LTE 4 here as well but cannot use it at all. I can get full 4g LTE when I drive 5 five miles up the road LOL but only 3g+ here at my home which is the issue. Argggg.....i have about a week left before i have to return it or keep it so I'm on the fence. My honor v10 with 970 has all bands, and my P20 lite has all LTE bands too I just don't get it.
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really sucks because of all the phones I have (a lot LOL) this is by far my favorite one to use, the way the backing was slightly curved and everyting is just perfect except for that pesky LTE issue. I know they are software locked like you said but have no way of getting it unlocked. I hve picked up LTE 4 here as well but cannot use it at all. I can get full 4g LTE when I drive 5 five miles up the road LOL but only 3g+ here at my home which is the issue. Argggg.....i have about a week left before i have to return it or keep it so I'm on the fence. My honor v10 with 970 has all bands, and my P20 lite has all LTE bands too I just don't get it.
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This is my favorite too. I guess Huawei really just wants to push the more pricier p20's in the U.S, even though they aren't really in the U.S. market to begin with anymore. With very similar specs to the P20 pro, the honor 10 would easily take away sales from the P20. Can't stop gearbest though, lol. Anyways, the extent of my modification to an android device was decompiling a rom (I think?), editing in specific MCC/MNC values for an AT&T MVNO in a certain file, recompiling it and flashing it to get 4gLTE back, since my phone thought it was roaming. I'm assuming the software-locked band information is a lot harder to find (or fix). I'm keeping my fingers crossed that HajmeR or others manage to find what we're looking for-maybe I'll even give it a go.
The question is whether LTE bands are only locked in software on your device or whether there really is a reason in hardware (missing antennas and such) that prevents you from using your preferred bands. People seem to disagree on this topic. Some claim that hardware reasons will prevent you from changing the set of allowed bands; however,
with respect to the Honor 6X, it seems that altering the oeminfo partition (https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-6x/help/debrand-to-enable-lte-bands-indian-t3663359) can make a difference with respect to allowed LTE bands.
I have a Chinese Honor 10 (COL-AL10) which I rebranded to COL-L29 C432 by adjusting (not completely replacing) oeminfo, more precisely by carefully editing model number etc. Everything works well, but I noticed that the device does not connect to LTE band 20 towers that are in my neighborhood - even though I can connect to them when I put my sim card into a different phone. The Chinese COL-AL10 does not have band 20, so this lock or unavailability of band 20 seems to have survived the rebranding. A real COL-L29 C432 would be able to connect to band 20.
So, to investigate this further, one would have to study the oeminfo partition of a real COL-L29 C432 and investigate where information on the available LTE bands is stored - if this piece of information is hidden in the oeminfo partition. I can share the oeminfo of the COL-AL10 but have to make sure that my IMEI number cannot be extracted from it.
yeah i got my refund already from amazon and looking for a replacement, I don't like phones that are 72 mm or wider they are hard to hold, so my view 10 is tough at 75 mm..........the lg g7 is only 71 mm wide and 6.1 screen which is incredible but VERY pricey and it's LG, we know how they are on updates of ANY kind. I have the P20 lite too, which get's every single band in the USA on GSM, I don't get why the honor 10 was hampered so much because I'm not gonna buy the more expensive P20 i've used one and they are not nearly as nice feeling as the honor 10, the body is totally different not curved at all on back and feels like crap.
So the search is on, lenovo has an 845 with samsung super AMOLED on amazon for 450 with 6 gig RAM and 64 ROM and all the other bells and whistles edcept it's not glass on back which is actually like. I really really wanted the nokia 6.1 plus which is perfect in every way except once again 1,3,5, bands only LOL. So not go again. The Xiaomi A2 lite is interesting, metal back, 4000 ma battery which is insanely big, but then only 2.4 wifi and microusb LOL? 625 processor but only 200 bucks so really a good value and get's every band like the p20 lite.
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The question is whether LTE bands are only locked in software on your device or whether there really is a reason in hardware (missing antennas and such) that prevents you from using your preferred bands. People seem to disagree on this topic. Some claim that hardware reasons will prevent you from changing the set of allowed bands; however,
with respect to the Honor 6X, it seems that altering the oeminfo partition (https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-6x/help/debrand-to-enable-lte-bands-indian-t3663359) can make a difference with respect to allowed LTE bands.
I have a Chinese Honor 10 (COL-AL10) which I rebranded to COL-L29 C432 by adjusting (not completely replacing) oeminfo, more precisely by carefully editing model number etc. Everything works well, but I noticed that the device does not connect to LTE band 20 towers that are in my neighborhood - even though I can connect to them when I put my sim card into a different phone. The Chinese COL-AL10 does not have band 20, so this lock or unavailability of band 20 seems to have survived the rebranding. A real COL-L29 C432 would be able to connect to band 20.
So, to investigate this further, one would have to study the oeminfo partition of a real COL-L29 C432 and investigate where information on the available LTE bands is stored - if this piece of information is hidden in the oeminfo partition. I can share the oeminfo of the COL-AL10 but have to make sure that my IMEI number cannot be extracted from it.
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I just happened to trade my Samsung Galaxy S7 to Honor 10 andit happens to be that what you're looking for. Can you help me out to help you how to get that information.
I uploaded screenshot where to check its correct build.
Hope this camera beats Galaxy S7 as thats the only reason to change phone at the first place.
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I just happened to trade my Samsung Galaxy S7 to Honor 10 andit happens to be that what you're looking for. Can you help me out to help you how to get that information.
I uploaded screenshot where to check its correct build.
Hope this camera beats Galaxy S7 as thats the only reason to change phone at the first place.
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Do you have an unlocked bootloader? Otherwise, you cannot read out the oeminfo partition.
I'm sorry I don't have it right now. Maybe I'll root this later on then or can I lock the bootloader again?
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I'm sorry I don't have it right now. Maybe I'll root this later on then or can I lock the bootloader again?
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Wouldn't you need to pay a third party to unlock it at this point? Or do you keep an unlock code obtained earlier from the days when huawei handled bootloader unlocking? Just wondering. I've kind of learned to suck it up at this point since I'm no longer in the US, so the band issues only affect me when traveling back. However, if there is anyone out there with an unlocked bootloader that can share the oeminfo/know how to understand it, it would be nice to finally figure out if this really is a hardware issue or a software lock.
Hi, some of you know the 4G frequencies of Honor 8x (No MAX). Is that there is controversy in some sales pages and in the Chinese official does not clarify.
In some they say that they have the B7 and in others they do not, thank you very much for your help.
it's rolling out now. well see as reports come in. early results this will not work LTE & vokte in USA TMobile or ATT. I am wondering if there will be different versions.
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it's rolling out now. well see as reports come in. early results this will not work LTE & vokte in USA TMobile or ATT. I am wondering if there will be different versions.
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The phone is releasing in the US, they even held an event in NY recently...
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Honor-8X-smartphone-now-official-for-U-S-market.336630.0.html
What's not clear is whether it'll support B46, B66, and B71 for T-Mobile.
band 71 will probably make it break many unlocked phones in the USA. myself I won't buy one unless it has band 71 and preferably band 66 as well. no one works volte with ATT and OnePlus is preparing to sell thru T-Mobile
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band 71 will probably make it break many unlocked phones in the USA. myself I won't buy one unless it has band 71 and preferably band 66 as well. no one works volte with ATT and OnePlus is preparing to sell thru T-Mobile
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If this representative is right we might not have to wait long for band info. Huawei phones usually launch around Oct - Feb.
The Honor 7x, View 10 and Mate 10 Pro feature 2, 4 and 12. So I'm a little concerned about the company's support for newer bands in the US.
I do not have high expectations for band 66 and 71. i want to be wrong though
Haha. I'm trying to stay optimistic. Very few phones around ~$200 carry a battery this size and certification by Rheinland. If Huawei disappoints there aren't any real alternatives.
Well, no. There's the Moto G7 but that's several months away.
I'm starting this thread to provide a more direct way for owners of the VOG-L04 P30 Pro variant to post some findings for people wanting to buy in the US.... Primarily if you can provide screen captures to prove some of the following:
1. With TMobile or ATT Sim in, Does the phone have wifi and / or VoLTE (use the cell network info app in the play store
2. Do you have wifi calling as an option in the network settings menu with ATT / TMobile Sim in?
3. Where / How did you get your phone? Buy online, cross the border, etc.
4. Any additional info you may want to share
With Band 66 on this phone and the possibility of better compatibility in the USA, we need your help to determine if we should wait for the L04 to become more available or just buy an international L09 / L29 if there's no real added benefit
Help us L04 owners, you're our only hope.....
Yeah, same. Wondering if Canada / Latin America variants have slightly better coverage in the US>
Im interested also
Me too! I believe there is a lot of interest regarding us "USA" consumers trying to find a better fit.
My AT&T SIM has been inactive too long, or I could help out. I'll see if I can obtain another one.
I got mine.
I live between USA and Peru. I just upgraded my plan and got the huawei P30 pro 256gb VOG-L04. For us$600.
Now is I am in San Francisco and using it. In peru I have volte and wifi calling option. But when I change sim cards.. The phone locks those options. Probably os because the phone is unlocked but attached to a carrier..
I get lte speed on 35 to 60 mbps in San Francisco using band 4. I don't know where to find lte 66. I will go to Guenerville, nyc. Boston during the next weeks and try the reception.
I highly doubt it will have VOLTE or wifi calling in any of the US carriers.
VoLTE looks to work just based on call connection speed, etc. Even though there's not a toggle for it. Wifi calling is a definite no
Don't count on getting WiFi Calling or VoLTE using AT&T SIM on VOG-L29
Unlike iPhone where iOS can download carrier settings, Andriod does not.
My dual sim L29 bought in Thailand will have VoLTE & WiFi calling options for all local SIM inserted. When I insert my AT&T, the two options disappears. I can get WiFi Calling using the same AT&T SIM in my iPhone X no problem.
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Don't count on getting WiFi Calling or VoLTE using AT&T SIM on VOG-L29
Unlike iPhone where iOS can download carrier settings, Andriod does not.
My dual sim L29 bought in Thailand will have VoLTE & WiFi calling options for all local SIM inserted. When I insert my AT&T, the two options disappears. I can get WiFi Calling using the same AT&T SIM in my iPhone X no problem.
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But we're talking about the L04 though...which I get both in Canada (V & Wifi), and will try in the USA when I can.
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I live between USA and Peru. I just upgraded my plan and got the huawei P30 pro 256gb VOG-L04. For us$600.
Now is I am in San Francisco and using it. In peru I have volte and wifi calling option. But when I change sim cards.. The phone locks those options. Probably os because the phone is unlocked but attached to a carrier..
I get lte speed on 35 to 60 mbps in San Francisco using band 4. I don't know where to find lte 66. I will go to Guenerville, nyc. Boston during the next weeks and try the reception.
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What SIM card did you put in at the switch (carrier)? I think if you reset the phone to factory, then put the US SIM card, you may find you have those features. Just trying to troubleshoot everything here......
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But we're talking about the L04 though...which I get both in Canada (V & Wifi), and will try in the USA when I can.
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What SIM card did you put in at the switch (carrier)? I think if you reset the phone to factory, then put the US SIM card, you may find you have those features. Just trying to troubleshoot everything here......
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You don't need to be in the USA to try it out. Just put in your AT&T SIM card in the phone while in Canada or wherever you are on earth
Resetting the phone to factory won't help.
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I live between USA and Peru. I just upgraded my plan and got the huawei P30 pro 256gb VOG-L04. For us$600.
Now is I am in San Francisco and using it. In peru I have volte and wifi calling option. But when I change sim cards.. The phone locks those options. Probably os because the phone is unlocked but attached to a carrier..
I get lte speed on 35 to 60 mbps in San Francisco using band 4. I don't know where to find lte 66. I will go to Guenerville, nyc. Boston during the next weeks and try the reception.
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You don't need to be in the USA to try it out. Just put in your AT&T SIM card in the phone while in Canada or wherever you are on earth
Resetting the phone to factory won't help.
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Actually it does. The first SIM card you put in dictates what "features" the phone downloads, the bloatware, if you will.
I put my local sim card. The option of carrier aggregation is on. With the tmobile sim card some options are off, like volte a d wifi calling. With my local sim card those options are on.
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But we're talking about the L04 though...which I get both in Canada (V & Wifi), and will try in the USA when I can.
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What SIM card did you put in at the switch (carrier)? I think if you reset the phone to factory, then put the US SIM card, you may find you have those features. Just trying to troubleshoot everything here......
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Actually it does. The first SIM card you put in dictates what "features" the phone downloads, the bloatware, if you will.
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Not necessarily - it depends on what firmware the phone has. Phones sold in HK and most of SE Asia are, by law, unlocked. Bloatwares and "features" are already there with the out-of-box firmware.
When you update your firmware - that's another story.
Any updates on a reasonably easy way for USA customers to purchase this model? I'm almost ready...
I am headed to Germany in a few weeks again, I keep drooling over the UK model and I keep touching it fondly....
I dont really wanna give in and get one if the canada version fits better for north american customers.
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Any updates on a reasonably easy way for USA customers to purchase this model? I'm almost ready...
I am headed to Germany in a few weeks again, I keep drooling over the UK model and I keep touching it fondly....
I dont really wanna give in and get one if the canada version fits better for north american customers.
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I second this!!!
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I second this!!!
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Any updates on a reasonably easy way for USA customers to purchase this model? I'm almost ready...
I am headed to Germany in a few weeks again, I keep drooling over the UK model and I keep touching it fondly....
I dont really wanna give in and get one if the canada version fits better for north american customers.
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We do know that the Canadian (Americas Model) has Band 66 as opposed to the International Versions... Its on Huawei site... So that's confirmed... AT&T and T-Mobile use Band 66 (launched 2016, 2017)... not everywhere as it is a newer band. Band 66 is an extension of Band 4.... What does that mean? From what I gather and someone maybe able to clarify that is a little more familiar with it, if a phone supports Band 4 and Band 66, it allows for more LTE headroom which results in faster speeds... not necessarily better reception...
With that said, I have the L29 on T-Mobile... do I notice any differences than the other countless phones I've had... No... but Band 66 may also not be a huge thing in Indianapolis either meaning there's nothing to test. In other words, the L04 is more compatible on paper... Is it a deal breaker... probably not. Especially when you can get the International Version on amazon.es shipped Global Priority with arrival by April 30th (if not faster) 256GB / 8GB Version for $918 USD... That's a deal... It hard to even find a L04 256GB / 8GB and good luck getting it at that price, even with the exchange rate.
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We do know that the Canadian (Americas Model) has Band 66 as opposed to the International Versions... Its on Huawei site... So that's confirmed... AT&T and T-Mobile use Band 66 (launched 2016, 2017)... not everywhere as it is a newer band. Band 66 is an extension of Band 4.... What does that mean? From what I gather and someone maybe able to clarify that is a little more familiar with it, if a phone supports Band 4 and Band 66, it allows for more LTE headroom which results in faster speeds... not necessarily better reception...
With that said, I have the L29 on T-Mobile... do I notice any differences than the other countless phones I've had... No... but Band 66 may also not be a huge thing in Indianapolis either meaning there's nothing to test. In other words, the L04 is more compatible on paper... Is it a deal breaker... probably not. Especially when you can get the International Version on amazon.es shipped Global Priority with arrival by April 30th (if not faster) 256GB / 8GB Version for $918 USD... That's a deal... It hard to even find a L04 256GB / 8GB and good luck getting it at that price, even with the exchange rate.
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Is that a no?
For me a no, living in Indianapolis. For you, living somewhere else where Band 66, it could be yes it does matter to wait for L04. Really depends on your current phone and cell company, does your current phone support band 66? If no, and you’re fine with it’s connection speeds for 4G LTE then get a L29... it subjective to the person and requires self research...
udaredme said:
Any updates on a reasonably easy way for USA customers to purchase this model? I'm almost ready...
I am headed to Germany in a few weeks again, I keep drooling over the UK model and I keep touching it fondly....
I dont really wanna give in and get one if the canada version fits better for north american customers.
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Might be a trade off....
Canadian Version will probably be a single SIM, but might have the necessary firmware to support AT&T's VoLTE & WiFi calling.
The former is hardware and can not be changed, the later is software/firmware. For me, Dual SIM is a must so it's an easy choice for me.
Why not get the L29 and try to get Canadian firmware? If that's doable...