I am not a developer but I am not exactly unfamiliar with tech. I am trying to understand how different Android phones work with respect to their specs.
For example, I was looking at one with these specs:
OS Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich)
CPU 1.0GHz Dual Core
512 MB ROM
512 MB RAM
From what I've read, I understand ROM is more on the OS side and RAM is for multitasking. CPU speed is more on how smooth apps are launched or how the phones responds to commands. Did I understand these correctly?
I compared those above against what I have. (I've attached a screenshot of my phone's specs.) I do not understand the entry on the second screeshot re: memory. Is that RAM or ROM? Also with these specs, can I (if at all possible) install or upgrade to ICS?
Thanks in advance!
fpjones3 said:
I am not a developer but I am not exactly unfamiliar with tech. I am trying to understand how different Android phones work with respect to their specs.
For example, I was looking at one with these specs:
OS Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich)
CPU 1.0GHz Dual Core
512 MB ROM
512 MB RAM
From what I've read, I understand ROM is more on the OS side and RAM is for multitasking. CPU speed is more on how smooth apps are launched or how the phones responds to commands. Did I understand these correctly?
I compared those above against what I have. (I've attached a screenshot of my phone's specs.) I do not understand the entry on the second screeshot re: memory. Is that RAM or ROM? Also with these specs, can I (if at all possible) install or upgrade to ICS?
Thanks in advance!
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Considering your device runs gingerbread, it is not possible to run ICS unless a developer has developed a custom ROM for your device. ROM pertains strictly to the OS itself as a whole, RAM is the devices total memory, as in what's available for the ROM to be stored and any non SD apps to be installed. Hopefully this helps you.
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RE: spec
ROM is not only for OS storage it is also for apps, music, other files etc., but your phone should probably have a mini SD card slot where you can expand this. This is analogous to a hard drive on your computer
Yes, RAM determines how much you can run at once, the Android OS uses up a portion of this. You are also correct about the CPU controls the processing of information so therefore controls 'speed'.
No you will not be able to upgrde to ICS (which isn't even the newest version of Android) because your phone is a dinosaur LOL as your manufacturer probably realises they wouldn't be able to. Also, I've never heard of your phone so it must be really a fly by night company (exaggeration) so there would probably not be a ROM (custom update built by people on this forum) for this device and I don;'t suggest that do so anywys are you are not a technical person and would probably mess it up (I know I did when I started 4 years ago). I would suggest that you buy the Nexus 5 when it comes out in October... I know I will.
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fpjones3 said:
I am not a developer but I am not exactly unfamiliar with tech. I am trying to understand how different Android phones work with respect to their specs.
For example, I was looking at one with these specs:
OS Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich)
CPU 1.0GHz Dual Core
512 MB ROM
512 MB RAM
From what I've read, I understand ROM is more on the OS side and RAM is for multitasking. CPU speed is more on how smooth apps are launched or how the phones responds to commands. Did I understand these correctly?
I compared those above against what I have. (I've attached a screenshot of my phone's specs.) I do not understand the entry on the second screeshot re: memory. Is that RAM or ROM? Also with these specs, can I (if at all possible) install or upgrade to ICS?
Thanks in advance!
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Thank you for the replies! Yeah I purchased a cheap-o phone, hence the brand, mainly because I want to play around with the OS.
Well now that I know I cannot upgrade the phone, a couple of follow-up questions:
I know you can only save apps on the SD if rooted. How will I know if it's rooted?
What benefits does rooting give to a living fossil such as my phone?
How does the specs I quoted on the first post sound? Is 512 ROM and 512 RAM good enough?
Is RAM upgradeable? (I doubt the answer is yes though. lol)
Lastly, are all android versions not upgradeable? (Sounds like a waste of hardware especially when 4.1, 4.2, and 4.3 were released shortly after the other. 4.4 is almost out even.)
Cheers!
A phone will not come rooted as standard you must do it yourself using a simple one click solution such as gingerbreak and others (make sure to find them on XDA only or you will get malware, just download it and install the APK by tapping on it in a file explorer). If you can return it you should do so, gingerbread is really easy to exploit, the Nexus 4 phone is only about $200 if you can find a used one and it has the latest android which is very good looking. Rooting does not require any extra hardware as it is like getting admin privileges on Windows or root perms on Ubuntu and other Linux. A good app is SD maid, it does A LOT. Yeah you guesses it RAM is not upgradeable on phones as everything is soldered and highly compact. Yes, Android is upgradeable (unlike certain other OSes cough cough Windows) but manufacturers seem to not follow that as they pull the plugs on such things, however with Nexus phones google provides the updates and they do it fast and for a long time which is why I suggest you cut your losses with this phone (return if possible) and get a nexus 4/5.
BTW, for next time when responding, you should respond to us by quoting what we say or we won't be able to read what you say.
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A phone will not come rooted as standard you must do it yourself using a simple one click solution such as gingerbreak and others (make sure to find them on XDA only or you will get malware, just download it and install the APK by tapping on it in a file explorer). If you can return it you should do so, gingerbread is really easy to exploit, the Nexus 4 phone is only about $200 if you can find a used one and it has the latest android which is very good looking. Rooting does not require any extra hardware as it is like getting admin privileges on Windows or root perms on Ubuntu and other Linux. A good app is SD maid, it does A LOT. Yeah you guesses it RAM is not upgradeable on phones as everything is soldered and highly compact.
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Hello there again! I can't return this anymore as I've had this for a good month or two now, but thanks for the tip.
I'll install the apk as soon as I get home but I recently replaced Avast with AVG and it says I'm running on high-privilege mode, I guess that's it right?
Yes, Android is upgradeable (unlike certain other OSes cough cough Windows) but manufacturers seem to not follow that as they pull the plugs on such things, however with Nexus phones google provides the updates and they do it fast and for a long time which is why I suggest you cut your losses with this phone (return if possible) and get a nexus 4/5.
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How did the manufacturers pull the plug? I understand Android is open-source. So why can't I just get an installer for ICS or Jellybean and slap it over Gingerbread like I would upgrade a desktop from XP to Win8?
Thanks again!
fpjones3 said:
Hello there again! I can't return this anymore as I've had this for a good month or two now, but thanks for the tip.
I'll install the apk as soon as I get home but I recently replaced Avast with AVG and it says I'm running on high-privilege mode, I guess that's it right?
How did the manufacturers pull the plug? I understand Android is open-source. So why can't I just get an installer for ICS or Jellybean and slap it over Gingerbread like I would upgrade a desktop from XP to Win8?
Thanks again!
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It's not as simple as pushing Google's version of the OS to your device, they need to modify it and create their own pseudo operating system tailored to the hardware of your device. DO NOT INSTALL A ROM FROM ANOTHER DEVICE OR TRY TO INSTALL AN INSTALLER, they are most likely fake and are out to get you. Send me a link of where you got the apk so I can see if it's okay
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DO NOT INSTALL A ROM FROM ANOTHER DEVICE OR TRY TO INSTALL AN INSTALLER, they are most likely fake and are out to get you. Send me a link of where you got the apk so I can see if it's okay
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I have yet to search for an alternate ROM. That is what you are asking for right?
Is there a basis for determining compatible ROMs, if any at all?
fpjones3 said:
I have yet to search for an alternate ROM. That is what you are asking for right?
Is there a basis for determining compatible ROMs, if any at all?
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No your root apk but you already did it so its fine. And there probably wont be any Roms compatible for your device
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No your root apk but you already did it so its fine. And there probably wont be any Roms compatible for your device
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Thanks for all the replies AJM! (Just so we're on the same page, I have not done anything, much less attempt to root the phone.) Looks like I have lots of room to experiment and explore.
One last question: I found this in the forum:
[GUIDE] [how to] CREATE OWN ROM [FOR ANY ANDROID DEVICE] [FOR N00B] [EASIEST METHODS]
I'm totally fishing here so please excuse the probable misuse of terminologies or the nonsensical question(s):
1. Based on my initial post: is my device capable of running a higher version of Android? Preferably the latest of course.
2. Assuming #1 is a yes, is a custom ROM created around the android version (gingerbread, ICS, etc.) or, err, what? (Do I start with a blank slate or do I download something off the web?)
fpjones3 said:
Thanks for all the replies AJM! (Just so we're on the same page, I have not done anything, much less attempt to root the phone.) Looks like I have lots of room to experiment and explore.
One last question: I found this in the forum:
[GUIDE] [how to] CREATE OWN ROM [FOR ANY ANDROID DEVICE] [FOR N00B] [EASIEST METHODS]
I'm totally fishing here so please excuse the probable misuse of terminologies or the nonsensical question(s):
1. Based on my initial post: is my device capable of running a higher version of Android? Preferably the latest of course.
2. Assuming #1 is a yes, is a custom ROM created around the android version (gingerbread, ICS, etc.) or, err, what? (Do I start with a blank slate or do I download something off the web?)
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I would not advise you to try to build a rom when you are COMPLETLY new to android and probably don't know about linux I assume and no it wont be able to run any other version other than 2.3.7( you're device is reminiscent of my first android phone, the xperia x10 which could only run 2.3.7, although later on a very skillful develop managed to get 4.0 on it but it wasn't exactly ideal).
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I would not advise you to try to build a rom when you are COMPLETLY new to android and probably don't know about linux I assume and no it wont be able to run any other version other than 2.3.7( you're device is reminiscent of my first android phone, the xperia x10 which could only run 2.3.7, although later on a very skillful develop managed to get 4.0 on it but it wasn't exactly ideal).
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At least I now know it is sort of possible.
Why was it not ideal though (your upgraded phone)?
Battery life and unreal lag. On a side note you can think of gingerbread as the xp or vista for android 4.4 is coming out soon that means you're going to be 5 versions behind.
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AJM-hackers said:
Battery life and unreal lag. On a side note you can think of gingerbread as the xp or vista for android 4.4 is coming out soon that means you're going to be 5 versions behind.
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Excuse the necromancy but I sort of renewed my interest in the topic.
I am now using a newer phone running 5.1 for around a year now, with slightly better specs. Not yet rooted so I don't void the warranty. I was wondering, what can I do with the dinosaur of a phone?
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Recently ive been wondering why android is so different compared to windows?
I mean, although android 2.2, 2.3, (2.4) is out and running, only a small percentage of the phones actually got the upgrade, and most of em are still running 2.1 or lower for the time being, so what is the point in having a new firmware available if you cant run it on your phone anyway ?
Android is just a firmware right ? So why cant it be like windows, when there is a new version, no matter what specs or brand of PC, you just install and your up and running... And phones are just like small computers right ?
So why doenst google make android just as compatible as windows, and as soon as a new version comes out, we just install it and were good to go ? I know this is sort or less the whole point of it being open source, but there has to be a solution to this.
This would actually make so much more sense than it is right now! I know all phone-brands want to add there personal touch to there android phones like SE did with timescape and mediascape etc, but its all just based on the same firmware right ? So why cant these things like timescape and mediascape be seen like an update ? rather than fully integrated in the firmware ?
In my opinion, phone brands should go back to what they are actually good at.. manufacturing phones, and google should go back to what they are good at, designing new android versions, this shouldn't be the other way around.
Could one of you pls explain this to me ?
As a master student in economics, IF android could actually be compared like windows as I just explained, this would only have positive effects on the android/phone market, instead of all these angry and disappointed customers...
http://gizmodo.com/5733556/the-complete-state-of-android-froyo-upgrades
this threat is what made me write this, it is clear we are not the only ones stuck with 2.1 (but the gods at XDA are doing their best to fix this!)
I understand your point. My take on it is about the fragmentation. I'm not commenting whether it is good or not, but here's what I think. Windows machine have a much higher memory where they can store drivers, settings, etc. Just Windows XP alone took approx 6GB? I don't think phones can have that much internal memory at the moment. Also, PC's have interfaces where everything comes out to the correct machine language (PCI, SATA, etc) While these lacks on phones. They have different architectures and peripherals that supports only that architecture. Therefore, to keep it lightweight, it is the manufacturer's responsibility that if they are using OS such as Android, that the OS works with their hardware, while on PC, it's more hardware to work with the OS.
I'm sure if there's a universal hardware interface for mobile devices and enough internal memory, your wish will come true
unknown13x said:
I understand your point. My take on it is about the fragmentation. I'm not commenting whether it is good or not, but here's what I think. Windows machine have a much higher memory where they can store drivers, settings, etc. Just Windows XP alone took approx 6GB? I don't think phones can have that much internal memory at the moment. Also, PC's have interfaces where everything comes out to the correct machine language (PCI, SATA, etc) While these lacks on phones. They have different architectures and peripherals that supports only that architecture. Therefore, to keep it lightweight, it is the manufacturer's responsibility that if they are using OS such as Android, that the OS works with their hardware, while on PC, it's more hardware to work with the OS.
I'm sure if there's a universal hardware interface for mobile devices and enough internal memory, your wish will come true
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I understand what you are saying, but then again, why dont we just manufacture android phones based on the same architecture ? So they will all be compatible with every version of android ?
If this could be accomplished in some way, manufacturers wont have to deal with the lack of compatibility of newer versions anymore, and every phone will run optimal with any given firmware.
Android is at the same development stage as windows when it was win.dos, effectively; the future development was not foreseen. The aggressive marketing by ms changed that, obviously, but pcs from that era are hopelessly outdated. Mobile manufacturers are keeping up with Google rather than being dictated to by them. Eventually, a physical threshold will result in Android updates being software instead of hardware.
I think...
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android is a fairly new n young operating system... its hardly 2 yrs old....
give it time... the way its goin now it headed in the right direction (same as windows)... compatibility issues will be sorted as time progresses... bare in mind that android devices span vast array of price ranges (and thus diff hardware as suited for that price) so compatibility will be an issue which will be sorted out in time...
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I understand what you are saying, but then again, why dont we just manufacture android phones based on the same architecture ? So they will all be compatible with every version of android ?
If this could be accomplished in some way, manufacturers wont have to deal with the lack of compatibility of newer versions anymore, and every phone will run optimal with any given firmware.
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The problem is there's too many architecture to go for. A universal architecture means we're eliminating many companies. For example, say we choose snapdragon as our universal. That means ARM, NVIDIA, will all be taken out the competition. Of course ARM cannot build a microcontroller based on snapdragon's design either, this is due to licensing and such. I'm sure manufacturer wants something like you said, it will be much easier to manage, but chip makers are doing things their own way. Also, you have to consider how much new technology is being introduced to phones in just one year. It is massive. Even if phones have the same architecture, the problem that comes about is the memory size to store all the drivers. Either way, it will have to go through the manufacturer to strip it out, which would be back to where we start again. So it will not work out anytime soon...However I did heard Google is aiming to make a flexible Android where it can do something like you said, but looking at the hardware change, it's impossible for now
FWIW - I think that it's more to do with USP's - Each manufacturer could, quickly and fairly easily just bung stock android onto their hardware, and therefore make it extremely easy for us all to upgrade to the latest OS.. but they think.. "hang on, if we do that then all the phones will look and work in the same way.. why would anyone want to buy ours, over xxx competitors phone... no that simply won't do.. we must make our phones special, different and more appealing to XYXY subset of the market... that way we'll sell more phones than our competitors and eventually.. if we're lucky, we might just compete with Apple"..
Or something along those lines!
Gawd - I thought for a minute you actually wanted Android to be "like" Windows...
I nearly pooped myself.
k1sr said:
Gawd - I thought for a minute you actually wanted Android to be "like" Windows...
I nearly pooped myself.
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I was thinking the same way! Windows? Nah! Windows itself is a bloatware OS...
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An official Ubuntu ROM will be launched for Galaxy Nexus so can i expect one for my Nexus 4 ?
Probably yes because nexus devices are source devices and porting them different operating systems are much easier than other oem phones.
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Probably yes because nexus devices are source devices and porting them different operating systems are much easier than other oem phones.
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So means I can expect it....Thanks
It should run the entry level mode fairly well, but it doesn't have the minimum 32GB of internal storage needed for the desktop docking mode.
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/operators-and-oems
http://www.google.com/nexus/4/specs/
Slinkwyde said:
It should run the entry level mode fairly well, but it doesn't have the minimum 32GB of internal storage needed for the desktop docking mode.
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/operators-and-oems
http://www.google.com/nexus/4/specs/
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I imagine someone could MAYBE...edit that requirement? If it was a simple enough check and installation, but it takes that much for the system itself, then nevermind. I imagine, however, that someone will get it working with a simple browser and some office apps (so a stripped version that might boot?).
I mean, one can dream...
Slinkwyde said:
It should run the entry level mode fairly well, but it doesn't have the minimum 32GB of internal storage needed for the desktop docking mode.
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/operators-and-oems
http://www.google.com/nexus/4/specs/
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the gnex also has only 16 gbyte of internal storage and no slot for a microSD and thats their "presentation-phone"
You misunderstood Ubuntu isn't trying to say that you need at least 32gb of storage to install ubuntu. The future high-end ubuntu pre-installed phones will be at provide at least 32gb and the entry-level ubuntu pre-installed phones will be at least 4-8gb.
As you can see it says "Operator and OEM partners"
And If you read the rest of the page you'll see those informations are for manufacturers and operators.
And no operation system except windows has such thing(there may be an another one, but who cares). Mac OS 10.7 is same on every mac. AOSP 4.1 is same on every android. iOS 6 is almost same on every supported device except Apple's marketing cuts
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You misunderstood Ubuntu isn't trying to say that you need at least 32gb of storage to install ubuntu. The future high-end ubuntu pre-installed phones will be at provide at least 32gb and the entry-level ubuntu pre-installed phones will be at least 4-8gb.
As you can see it says "Operator and OEM partners"
And If you read the rest of the page you'll see those informations are for manufacturers and operators.
And no operation system except windows has such thing(there may be an another one, but who cares). Mac OS 10.7 is same on every mac. AOSP 4.1 is same on every android. iOS 6 is almost same on every supported device except Apple's marketing cuts
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Thank you SO much for clearing that up, I was beginning to get anxious with thoughts like "my Nexus 4 is already so obsolete that it can't run a recently made mobile OS?!" which really troubled me and I'd love to see Ubuntu Mobile on the Nexus 4 - after all Galaxy Nexus users can't have ALL the fun
For the record, I wasn't saying that Ubuntu couldn't be installed on the Nexus 4. The way I had read it, there were two editions of Ubuntu Mobile: one with desktop docking mode and one without, the former having steeper system requirements. I was saying that Ubuntu could still be installed on the Nexus 4, but only with the edition that lacked desktop docking mode.
Hopefully leventccc is correct and those are guidelines for what future phones will have, rather than the minimum system requirements of the OS. That's probably right, considering Ubuntu on the PC only needs 5GB of storage.
Do you think we'll be able to easily dual boot JB/Ubuntu or will we have to pick one over the other. I could live with 8gb Android / 8gb Ubuntu partitions. However if Ubuntu requires too much space that'd be a tight squeeze.
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Do you think we'll be able to easily dual boot JB/Ubuntu or will we have to pick one over the other. I could live with 8gb Android / 8gb Ubuntu partitions. However if Ubuntu requires too much space that'd be a tight squeeze.
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If my nexus 7 can do it with ubuntu (not even mobile), n4 can do it too.
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Even though the "Nexus" thing is a huge point, my gut says that we MIGHT not get Ubuntu unlike G-Nex. Ubuntu might have been working on this before the Nexus 4 would have launched and so used the Galaxy Nexus as it would be cheap + open. Now that the Nexus 4 is out but as hard as hell to get it and then make the OS work on it from scratch would be pretty hard. Thus I fell we might not get it. But I hope that this is wrong.
Well one day to go before the major Ubuntu announcements at CES.
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An official Ubuntu ROM will be launched for Galaxy Nexus so can i expect one for my Nexus 4 ?
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Of course, it'd be a bad thing if it didn't, whether it'll be an Official Version or a port there will be Ubuntu OS for the Nexus 4.
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Of course, it'd be a bad thing if it didn't, whether it'll be an Official Version or a port there will be Ubuntu OS for the Nexus 4.
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There will most definately not be an official image for the Nexus 4 in the coming months. Why should Cannonical waste resources on porting Ubuntu OS to other phones when the OS isn't even feature complete. They want to get an image out so people can start testing and develop apps for it. The Galaxy Nexus is dirt cheap, most developers have a GNexus anyway. So if they do that, they reached their goal.
It's not like they are trying to gain market share by getting the 2% of Android Users who root their phones to install Ubuntu Phone OS on their device. They won't come very far this way. The main path to the market is through handset manufactures and Ubuntu Phones in stores.
The image you will get for you Nexus 4 at some point will be community driven.
2% root?.. Eh..
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2% root?.. Eh..
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Face it the vast majority of smartphone users are NOT geeks. The average user wants Facebook, WhatsApp and [insert popular Android Game here]. You'd be surprised how many smartphone users don't even know what Android is. They think they are buying "A Droid" like it is a piece of hardware. The "warrenty issue" will put most people off and given that they don't really benefit from having a rooted phone they simply will not do it. The people on XDA aren' t by any strech of the imagination remotely representative of the normal Android user.
There are only 3.7 million installs of Cyanogenmod (http://stats.cyanogenmod.com/) and the DAILY activation rate of Android phones is somewhere between 700.000 and 900.000
http://www.informationweek.com/mobi...id-reaches-900000-daily-activations/240001809 based on that you can estimate that there are over 250 million devices being used right now. http://www.asymco.com/2011/12/21/how-many-android-phones-have-been-activated/
Now let's just double or even triple the number of installations of the most popular android rom by far to account of other rooted Android devices and put that in perspective... Still think it' s going to be some two digit number?
Most people don't want hack own phones. They want only daily use. Calls, browsing, social networks, email, games, music etc. Somebody know at ubuntu will work wifi adapter at the monitor mode? For sniffering wifi traffics
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Most people don't want hack own phones. They want only daily use. Calls, browsing, social networks, email, games, music etc. Somebody know at ubuntu will work wifi adapter at the monitor mode? For sniffering wifi traffics
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That pretty much depends on the wifi driver in use.
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Face it the vast majority of smartphone users are NOT geeks. The average user wants Facebook, WhatsApp and [insert popular Android Game here]. You'd be surprised how many smartphone users don't even know what Android is. They think they are buying "A Droid" like it is a piece of hardware. The "warrenty issue" will put most people off and given that they don't really benefit from having a rooted phone they simply will not do it. The people on XDA aren' t by any strech of the imagination remotely representative of the normal Android user.
There are only 3.7 million installs of Cyanogenmod (http://stats.cyanogenmod.com/) and the DAILY activation rate of Android phones is somewhere between 700.000 and 900.000
http://www.informationweek.com/mobi...id-reaches-900000-daily-activations/240001809 based on that you can estimate that there are over 250 million devices being used right now. http://www.asymco.com/2011/12/21/how-many-android-phones-have-been-activated/
Now let's just double or even triple the number of installations of the most popular android rom by far to account of other rooted Android devices and put that in perspective... Still think it' s going to be some two digit number?
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I would've at least thought 15 percent, and CyanogenMod example is not a good one considering a lot Devices don't have CM. With my Evo 3D I never really got much of CM action. Just my two cents.
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CyanogenMod is the most popular rom by far.
Compare the number of downloads of CM to any other ROM.
http://www.clockworkmod.com/rommanager
There isn't any other ROM that has downloads that are in the millions.
MIUI and AOKP are doing OK but the rest is just not worth mentioning.
Not even on the PC, where it is much easier and pretty much riskfree, people bother to change their OS.
Otherwise the Linux Desktop marketshare wouldn't be about 2-5%.
The average consumer simply uses what he gets from the store.
Finally Ubuntu for the tablets is here. That's Right!!! This Thursday for the nexus7 and 10. Here goes the official video http://youtu.be/h384z7Ph0gU
hit the thanks... been a while
Almost here ,.....
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horatiob said:
Finally Ubuntu for the tablets is here. That's Right!!! This Thursday for the nexus7 and 10. Here goes the official video http://youtu.be/h384z7Ph0gU
hit the thanks... been a while
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Just the developer preview right now it looks like, I thought it was the full release for some reason. Anyone planning to jump in head first just for fun?
I think I'm going to wait a little bit, conceptually it seems great but I would initially like to "dual-boot" if that is in any way possible - does it actually install a grub like pre-loader where I could choose to boot to my SentinalROM instead? How about Google Play store integration, any news on that? The biggest hurdle for myself would be losing access to all my Play Store games/books.
Astriaal said:
Just the developer preview right now it looks like, I thought it was the full release for some reason. Anyone planning to jump in head first just for fun?
I think I'm going to wait a little bit, conceptually it seems great but I would initially like to "dual-boot" if that is in any way possible - does it actually install a grub like pre-loader where I could choose to boot to my SentinalROM instead? How about Google Play store integration, any news on that? The biggest hurdle for myself would be losing access to all my Play Store games/books.
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Oh absolutely. I plan on downloading it as soon as it goes live.
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Just the developer preview right now it looks like, I thought it was the full release for some reason. Anyone planning to jump in head first just for fun?
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Yep
Astriaal said:
Just the developer preview right now it looks like, I thought it was the full release for some reason. Anyone planning to jump in head first just for fun?
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I'm going to give it a try on my Nexus 7.. That's my entertainment/screw around with my own builds tablet.. I'm really not privvy to testing "development previews" of an alternate OS on a $500 tablet.. I'll at minimum wait a bit to feel it out on the Nexus 7 first and hear back from those who did try it on the Nexus 10.
Can this be dual booted?
I already backed up my tablet's data on pc. Ready to install it on both nexus 7 and 10!
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Can this be dual booted?
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I haven't read detail on it yet, but I did see a note indicating that it can be set up with dual boot -- needs a custom recovery, but it appeared pretty straightforward when I glanced at the description. Dual boot would certainly make me more receptive to giving it a try.
I'm not much of a developer but I'm all over this. Been waiting for over a year for this.
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Dual boot is mandatory for me to do this
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Dual boot is mandatory for me to do this
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agreed. dual boot or no go!
if there is ubuntu for android where you have access to your android apps. Why cant we do that with our nexus 10?
I dont care for dualbooting if I can have access to android apps from within ubuntu.
horatiob said:
if there is ubuntu for android where you have access to your android apps. Why cant we do that with our nexus 10?
I dont care for dualbooting if I can have access to android apps from within ubuntu.
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As far as I know you do not have access to your android applications you simply have ubuntu.
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Loving this. You know they're turning this loose for the imaginative dev/hacker community to get great ideas for a full release on their own devices. It will benefit all in the long run. Google better embrace this as the future, I hope.
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As far as I know you do not have access to your android applications you simply have ubuntu.
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well that sounds like............it sucks. smh
i mean all these people happy to that ubuntu is about here, that they would give up all their android apps? really????????????????
Recon Freak said:
Loving this. You know they're turning this loose for the imaginative dev/hacker community to get great ideas for a full release on their own devices. It will benefit all in the long run. Google better embrace this as the future, I hope.
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It's great seeing this kind of development, but I'm not yet clear that it's something that would help Google or necessarily benefit the majority of the user community...at least not in the near term. Google's been working hard at gaining market acceptance for Android, and a significant component of this will likely be, increasingly, the availability of Android as an internally consistent ecosystem that spans phone and tablets. Ubuntu is pushing the same idea, i.e., a single ecosystem that encompasses phones, tablets and PC's -- and that's great. But unless there's interoperability between OS's, it may be a while before the consumer market is ready to embrace yet another mobile OS in a big way, as appealing as Ubuntu may be.
My Android phone (Galaxy Nexus) and tablets (N10 and N7) work so well together these days that I really wouldn't want to replace any of them with a device running an OS and aps that didn't "connect" with my other devices as well and seamlessly as they all work together now. I'm also not about to replace all 3 devices right away, and start fresh finding apps that mimic the functionality of the 100+ Android apps that I have installed.
Android and Ubuntu are both based on Linux at the lowest levels, so they can take advantage of common hardware drivers. But at the app level, they're based on different languages and runtime systems - so far. At the moment, Android apps can't run on Ubuntu in any kind of native mode and vice versa. While Google is working to gain broad acceptance of Android, what incentive would they have to throw another OS in the mix at this stage of the game?
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Android and Ubuntu are both based on Linux at the lowest levels, so they can take advantage of common hardware drivers. But at the app level, they're based on different languages and runtime systems - so far. At the moment, Android apps can't run on Ubuntu in any kind of native mode and vice versa. While Google is working to gain broad acceptance of Android, what incentive would they have to throw another OS in the mix at this stage of the game?
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Well I meant to quote and managed to thank you - While they are based on different levels I do recall hearing that there would be a dalvik vm built into ubuntu to allow for android applications to run inside the system as well - as long as you have the apk and such. Similar to BlueStacks for W8 and Windows desktop.
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Well I meant to quote and managed to thank you - While they are based on different levels I do recall hearing that there would be a dalvik vm built into ubuntu to allow for android applications to run inside the system as well - as long as you have the apk and such. Similar to BlueStacks for W8 and Windows desktop.
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Thanks for the thanks, however inadvertent
As far as I've read, Canonical doesn't plan on creating a Dalvik JVM for Ubuntu any time soon. The statement from them suggested that they recognize that native compiled apps (the dev ecosystem on Ubuntu is primarily HTML5, QML, C++) will run faster and more efficiently than code running within a JVM -- this was part of the comment when asked if they were planning to incorporate a Dalvik emulator in Ubuntu. There's nothing to prevent someone from developing one, but making this work properly will also require cooperation between the Dalvik implementation and the security framework in Ubuntu -- certainly possible, but I'm guessing it could be a year before anything comprehensive along those lines is likely to make it to market.
There's also another question nagging at me: how will Google evolve Android over the next couple of years? With an increasing number of apps rolling out for Android, it's conceivable that multiple windows (such as Samsung already offers) may become a regular feature, apps will become increasingly powerful -- and the distinction, at least for many people and many applications -- between PC and Android device -- will become vanishingly small for many purposes. If that happens, my guess is that this would further reduce any incentive for Google to somehow tie Ubuntu in with Android.
Of course I could be 100% wrong, and this just be the kind of thinking that happens after a 12 hour day without enough coffee... I personally love the evolution of hardware and software, and look forward to seeing how this all pans out. Fun to speculate in the meantime.
jonstrong said:
Thanks for the thanks, however inadvertent
As far as I've read, Canonical doesn't plan on creating a Dalvik JVM for Ubuntu any time soon. The statement from them suggested that they recognize that native compiled apps (the dev ecosystem on Ubuntu is primarily HTML5, QML, C++) will run faster and more efficiently than code running within a JVM -- this was part of the comment when asked if they were planning to incorporate a Dalvik emulator in Ubuntu. There's nothing to prevent someone from developing one, but making this work properly will also require cooperation between the Dalvik implementation and the security framework in Ubuntu -- certainly possible, but I'm guessing it could be a year before anything comprehensive along those lines is likely to make it to market.
There's also another question nagging at me: how will Google evolve Android over the next couple of years? With an increasing number of apps rolling out for Android, it's conceivable that multiple windows (such as Samsung already offers) may become a regular feature, apps will become increasingly powerful -- and the distinction, at least for many people and many applications -- between PC and Android device -- will become vanishingly small for many purposes. If that happens, my guess is that this would further reduce any incentive for Google to somehow tie Ubuntu in with Android.
Of course I could be 100% wrong, and this just be the kind of thinking that happens after a 12 hour day without enough coffee... I personally love the evolution of hardware and software, and look forward to seeing how this all pans out. Fun to speculate in the meantime.
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Why does Ubuntu have to do anything with Google?
The developer preview is being made for Nexus devices but that's only because they are readily available and open to hacking.
I don't think Canonical realistically thinks Ubuntu will be the lead platform for Phones and Tablets but that's okay. They're currently trying to fill a niche with their tablet OS which is the enterprise market. This is one place where Android hasn't made a ton of inroads and it happens to be where Canonical makes their money(albeit still not profitable).
So I was reading through some Wikipedia articles, and I had a sudden thought. Call me crazy, but...
Is it possible to install WP7 (or later) on an Ace-i? I don't mean the ports and the Frankenstein-type ROMs, I mean the REAL deal. I read that Tango requires 800 MHz (Ace-i has 832 ), 256MB RAM (yep, we got 290 MB! ) and no hardware restrictions like iOS (at least, I hope so!)
So coming back to my question: WP7 on Ace-i. Yay or nay? If yes, any pointers would be appreciated. I've always loved the WP7 UI, but never wanted to invest in a new device
PS: If some pirated software is involved, then.... *wink wink* *nudge nudge* Go right ahead with your ideas. I'm eagerly waiting for a response.
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So I was reading through some Wikipedia articles, and I had a sudden thought. Call me crazy, but...
Is it possible to install WP7 (or later) on an Ace-i? I don't mean the ports and the Frankenstein-type ROMs, I mean the REAL deal. I read that Tango requires 800 MHz (Ace-i has 832 ), 256MB RAM (yep, we got 290 MB! ) and no hardware restrictions like iOS (at least, I hope so!)
So coming back to my question: WP7 on Ace-i. Yay or nay? If yes, any pointers would be appreciated. I've always loved the WP7 UI, but never wanted to invest in a new device
PS: If some pirated software is involved, then.... *wink wink* *nudge nudge* Go right ahead with your ideas. I'm eagerly waiting for a response.
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Reasons why it is not possible:
1)Windows phone will not support our hardware because Broadcom haven't released drivers.
2)The internal FLASH memory will need to be re-partitioned and it may break the device's ability to boot.
3)The internal memory's not gonna cut it.
So it is a nay
wp7 is not android...i mean wp os is not open source...
so no...not possible..!!
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The question you are making has the same answer for the question "Is it possible to to install my memories and personality on Angelina Jolie's brain?"
Short answer: No!
rubendgomes said:
The question you are making has the same answer for the question "Is it possible to to install my memories and personality on Angelina Jolie's brain?"
Short answer: No!
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the comparison u are making makes no sense at all..
wp os can be installed on other device which meets the minimum hardware requirements..
BUT since wp os is not open source, it is not posssible for now..
open sourced os (for example android) can be installed on other devices which doesn't come with android..
htc hd2 comes with wp os..
but it is possible to install android on that phone..
samsung wave comes with bada os it is possible to install android on that device too..
so basically what i mean to say is, different operating systems can be made run on any device with condition that
- os must be open sourced
- hardware must meet the minimum requirements
- drivers of the hardware should be available
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Not exactly... The internal Flash memory has to be repartitioned and that may or may ignore break the devices ability to boot.
Not sent from a ACE but a CooperVe using Tapatalk 2.
Forget Windows At lease Ubantu ??
Hi,
Windows needs license but Ubuntu or Kubuntu is the open source ?
Is anyone trying for this ?
I am very interesting to install Ubuntu ....
maheshmorankar68 said:
Hi,
Windows needs license but Ubuntu or Kubuntu is the open source ?
Is anyone trying for this ?
I am very interesting to install Ubuntu ....
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It's not that we need license for it and that's why we aren't doing it!
If it's possible, you get it
Our phone is a low activity device and that too with low specs. We don't have even one high level dev (high level means someone who does things above from what is present to us as resources).
And that is why, it's not possible. May be possible in future, but not now.
Hi,
I currently own a Touch pad running Cyanogen Mod, Version 4.2.2 which I installed in 2013.
I'm confused about upgrading as their is many ROMS to choose from.
Can someone recommend me a stable rom with the latest version on android available for the touchpad, something that has everything working.
preve83 said:
Hi,
I currently own a Touch pad running Cyanogen Mod, Version 4.2.2 which I installed in 2013.
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A lot changed since 2013.
preve83 said:
I'm confused about upgrading as their is many ROMS to choose from.
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Does the Tablet has WebOS, or only Android?
New ROMS requires the system partition to be larger.
preve83 said:
Can someone recommend me a stable rom with the latest version on android available for the touchpad, something that has everything working.
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A ROM that all works, Bluetooth, Stable Wifi and camera is:
Evervolv 7.1.2 Android Nougat
My recommendation is to set the system partition to allow the installation of newer ROMS. Then any Android version can be flash until 9.
The Automatic_Wipe_All_and_Create_Android_with _Swap
Can be flash and will take care of everything, follow this guide, it also provides all the links to all ROMS.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...all-android-roms-with-swap-partition.3901773/
Any ROM can be flash ( install ), just wipe everything using TWRP 3.2 download zip files, copy to tablet and flash.
@HP_TOUCHPAD , Hello, I still can't believe we have support for the touch pad....
I flashed Evervolv 7.1.2 in my 1gb rab (black touchpad) and it didn't work quite well, it would often crash and every app would either become slow and unresponsive or simply crash..
The ram in my tp is just around some 830 mb and I noticed that the OS would use up as much as 220 to 250 mb. The touch pad was dead a long ago and I revived it back today, and I am planning to delete the Evervolv ROM and flash something else that wouldn't stuck or crash a lot, I only want to use it for Youtube and google searches(if not google app, maybe at least internet browsing using a browser).
What rom would you recommend that's not floppy and laggy and at the same time the one that can support Youtube and Internet browser ?
Now I know you said use the Evervolv 7.1.2, but I think I have either missed something while I was flashing or I downloaded an experimental rom, the Touchpad would literally become unresponsive to the touch(well ironically it's named "touchpad"), and a lot of times just drain the battery.
And, Yes I still have the web OS with the Evervolv9it was my first time flashing a rom so I let the Web OS stay as a fail safe, coz I was 15 when I first flashed a custom rom to the touchpad).
I just want to give it to my mom, so I want it to work smooth and stable(more importantly, I just want it to run youtube in a stable and smooth state)....
LN11211 said:
@HP_TOUCHPAD , Hello, I still can't believe we have support for the touch pad....
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I can not believe that my original touchpad from the fire sale still has a battery capacity as NEW, that one I do not use much. But I have others that do specially as a music player, yes is louD ! Best device that I will ever have.
LN11211 said:
I flashed Evervolv 7.1.2 in my 1gb rab (black touchpad) and it didn't work quite well, it would often crash and every app would either become slow and unresponsive or simply crash..
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Did you get the ROM from this guide?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...all-android-roms-with-swap-partition.3901773/
You are using WebOS, there is no need to do the Automatic Wipe All.
A lot has changed since 2011, is 2021 now and all ROMs have more memory up to the full 1GB and the highest CPU frequency.
LN11211 said:
The ram in my tp is just around some 830 mb and I noticed that the OS would use up as much as 220 to 250 mb. The touch pad was dead a long ago and I revived it back today, and I am planning to delete the Evervolv ROM and flash something else that wouldn't stuck or crash a lot, I only want to use it for Youtube and google searches(if not google app, maybe at least internet browsing using a browser).
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Dead long ago and it came back, it almost sound as the new Messiah that everyone has been waiting for !
It all depends on the kernel version, the MaXtreme 1836 is the fastest with more RAM.
There are other alternatives to youtube and the best browser to use is : https://www.bromite.org/
youtube alternatives apps.
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What rom would you recommend that's not floppy and laggy and at the same time the one that can support Youtube and Internet browser ?
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Evervolv 7.1.2, ( it all depends on the Kernel version that is use ) Do not use it with the original kernel, look at the guide of the different options.
LN11211 said:
Now I know you said use the Evervolv 7.1.2, but I think I have either missed something while I was flashing or I downloaded an experimental rom, the Touchpad would literally become unresponsive to the touch(well ironically it's named "touchpad"), and a lot of times just drain the battery.
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If that battery was not in use for a long time, it may actually have less capacity left.
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And, Yes I still have the web OS with the Evervolv9it was my first time flashing a rom so I let the Web OS stay as a fail safe, coz I was 15 when I first flashed a custom rom to the touchpad).
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Flashing is now done with TWRP 3.2 and all ROMs can be flash easily, working 100% all the time.
LN11211 said:
I just want to give it to my mom, so I want it to work smooth and stable(more importantly, I just want it to run youtube in a stable and smooth state)....
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The HP Touchpad works perfectly as a streaming device, either for music or video. But there are ways to set it up to get the most out of it that will allow it to perform. It can not be compare to an actual device in performance or user experience.
Is a device that can be fully customized to fit your specific needs. Flashing the ROM properly with the best kernel option is as important as the type of Apps. The Android options are too many and the user needs to experiment on it's own.
I also have a Touchpad with 4.2.2. that I installed on it and I'm wondering if there's any advantage of upgrading to another newer rom. The main issue here is this device is old and not very fast and so maybe its best to keep it on 4.2.2, unless someone can tell me that a newer rom would make this faster. New features in newer roms don't matter much if the speed becomes slower and if the OS takes more RAM etc. On top of that some people are reporting issues with the stability of a newer rom (change the kernel or not).
It doesn't look like its possible to have a stable rom that is newer and has more features and provides us a faster user interface.
So.... does any one know of any advantages of using a newer ROM on this device?
alan-31 said:
I also have a Touchpad with 4.2.2. that I installed on it and I'm wondering if there's any advantage of upgrading to another newer rom.
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Android 4.2.2 is no longer supported by google. With a never ROM everything works, the ones that supports all the hardware is evervolv 7.1.2.
alan-31 said:
The main issue here is this device is old and not very fast and so maybe its best to keep it on 4.2.2, unless someone can tell me that a newer rom would make this faster.
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Yes it is an old device, but what matters are the settings and how is been use.
With the settings from this guide: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...all-android-roms-with-swap-partition.3901773/
The cpu can be set in all the ROMs up to 1836 ( that is for each core ). All the ROM RAM is optimized to use almost the full 1GB, versus the original that can only use a little over 800 MB.
What makes the Tablet slow are the google services ( play store ).
The tablet can be use with no gapps and set up to use bromite, newpipe and many other googles alternatives.
alan-31 said:
New features in newer roms don't matter much if the speed becomes slower and if the OS takes more RAM etc.
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The features are provided by the hardware which is the same for all the ROMs, WiFi, Bluetooth, sound and camera.
New Android version use more RAM only if the play store is use, and the speed can be set the same to all the ROM.
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On top of that some people are reporting issues with the stability of a newer rom (change the kernel or not).
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All ROM posted on the mentioned guide are 100 % stable if the kernels use are the one listed.
Stability issues are due to users installing optimizing Apps to make things faster, which takes more RAM and create problems.
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It doesn't look like its possible to have a stable rom that is newer and has more features and provides us a faster user interface.
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Yes all ROMs are stable, Wifi works better until 7.1.2, it works on 8 and 9 but may not reconnect, but al depends on the user router.
alan-31 said:
So.... does any one know of any advantages of using a newer ROM on this device?
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A newer ROM provides support from google and all new apps can be use. This has always been the same with all PC operating system, a 10 year old OS is not supported any longer and even a basic web browser will not work.
The same will happen when google stops supporting Android PIE, no more apps will run one it not even a web browser.
That could probably happen 10 years from now or sooner, by then the tablet could only be use as a local media player, for music, video or pictures.
Example: https://www.bromite.org/ The best full browser to use on the tablet with no need of the play store.
But it can only be use on Android Lollipop 5.0 and above (SDK21)
HP_TOUCHPAD said:
Android 4.2.2 is no longer supported by google. With a never ROM everything works, the ones that supports all the hardware is evervolv 7.1.2.
Yes it is an old device, but what matters are the settings and how is been use.
With the settings from this guide: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...all-android-roms-with-swap-partition.3901773/
The cpu can be set in all the ROMs up to 1836 ( that is for each core ). All the ROM RAM is optimized to use almost the full 1GB, versus the original that can only use a little over 800 MB.
What makes the Tablet slow are the google services ( play store ).
The tablet can be use with no gapps and set up to use bromite, newpipe and many other googles alternatives.
The features are provided by the hardware which is the same for all the ROMs, WiFi, Bluetooth, sound and camera.
New Android version use more RAM only if the play store is use, and the speed can be set the same to all the ROM.
All ROM posted on the mentioned guide are 100 % stable if the kernels use are the one listed.
Stability issues are due to users installing optimizing Apps to make things faster, which takes more RAM and create problems.
Yes all ROMs are stable, Wifi works better until 7.1.2, it works on 8 and 9 but may not reconnect, but al depends on the user router.
A newer ROM provides support from google and all new apps can be use. This has always been the same with all PC operating system, a 10 year old OS is not supported any longer and even a basic web browser will not work.
The same will happen when google stops supporting Android PIE, no more apps will run one it not even a web browser.
That could probably happen 10 years from now or sooner, by then the tablet could only be use as a local media player, for music, video or pictures.
Example: https://www.bromite.org/ The best full browser to use on the tablet with no need of the play store.
But it can only be use on Android Lollipop 5.0 and above (SDK21)
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Some of this is just wrong. Yes, 4.4 isn't supported. But that doesn't mean you can't use it. YouTube v14 will run fine, so will NewPipe. You can use Google Chrome 80-something, and that works perfectly fine for browsing the web, it's still new enough to render almost everything properly. Bromite of that same version should work as well on 4.4. You can also use Yalp Store instead of Aurora to use 4.4 without Gapps. If apps are unsupported, you could download old versions from apkmirror, they usually still work fine, even the internet based ones.
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Some of this is just wrong. Yes, 4.4 isn't supported. But that doesn't mean you can't use it.
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What makes a device to be functional is the Operating System. That is the reason we are in the XDA Web Site forum and not HP or WebOS. The Tablet can be use even with WebOS and many still do because they do not want to upgrade.
You can use it any way you want it, but is not the optimal or best way to get the full functionality that it can offer.
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YouTube v14 will run fine, so will NewPipe. You can use Google Chrome 80-something, and that works perfectly fine for browsing the web, it's still new enough to render almost everything properly. Bromite of that same version should work as well on 4.4. You can also use Yalp Store instead of Aurora to use 4.4 without Gapps. If apps are unsupported, you could download old versions from apkmirror, they usually still work fine, even the internet based ones.
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Why try to work with old software when new ones are available and works perfectly with the Tablet?
On the news today, January 4 of 2022:
https://www.blackberry.com/us/en/support/devices/end-of-life
BlackBerry 7.1 OS and earlier, BlackBerry 10 software, BlackBerry PlayBook OS 2.1 and earlier versions, will no longer be available after January 4, 2022. As of this date, devices running these legacy services and software through either carrier or Wi-Fi connections will no longer reliably function, including for data, phone calls, SMS and 9-1-1 functionality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_10
On 14 May 2013 BlackBerry OS 10.1 was launched.
The HP Touchpad was released July 1, 2011 (WebOS), is two years older than the BlackBerry released in 2013.
The HP Touchpad is 100% functional, due to the great job of many developers that got Android on it.
HP_TOUCHPAD said:
What makes a device to be functional is the Operating System. That is the reason we are in the XDA Web Site forum and not HP or WebOS. The Tablet can be use even with WebOS and many still do because they do not want to upgrade.
You can use it any way you want it, but is not the optimal or best way to get the full functionality that it can offer.
Why try to work with old software when new ones are available and works perfectly with the Tablet?
On the news today, January 4 of 2022:
https://www.blackberry.com/us/en/support/devices/end-of-life
BlackBerry 7.1 OS and earlier, BlackBerry 10 software, BlackBerry PlayBook OS 2.1 and earlier versions, will no longer be available after January 4, 2022. As of this date, devices running these legacy services and software through either carrier or Wi-Fi connections will no longer reliably function, including for data, phone calls, SMS and 9-1-1 functionality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_10
On 14 May 2013 BlackBerry OS 10.1 was launched.
The HP Touchpad was released July 1, 2011 (WebOS), is two years older than the BlackBerry released in 2013.
The HP Touchpad is 100% functional, due to the great job of many developers that got Android on it.
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4.x Android is simply faster than Android 7.1. That's why you would bother with using old builds of software on an outdated OS. No matter how optimized it is, or how much you overclock it, 7.1 will always be a heavier OS than 4.4. I've seen it before, and on low end devices, that speed difference really matters.
Essentially newer OS means more reliable apps, but worse performance.
Older OS = better performance, worse apps.
It all depends on what you prefer. For me, so long as that old OS is useable enough, I prefer the outdated but fast OS over the fully useable slow one.
Let's take another example: Say you have one laptop to use in 2022. You've got a netbook with a 1.6Ghz Intel Atom n280, and 1GB of RAM.
You *could* technically run Windows 10 on here if you wanted to. The hardware technically supports it. But is it a good idea? No, not at all. It's gonna be extremely slow and annoying to use. I'd rather run Windows XP on such a device, use Firefox 52.9ESR and deal with some broken webpages than use Windows 10 and a modern browser. At least with XP you're gonna have a fast and snappy computer, even if you have to use some old apps to get things done.
(Of course, this is hypothetical. The true best choice in this situation would be a Linux install with a simple X11 window manager or Windows 7 without transparency effects)
Sanras said:
4.x Android is simply faster than Android 7.1. That's why you would bother with using old builds of software on an outdated OS. No matter how optimized it is, or how much you overclock it, 7.1 will always be a heavier OS than 4.4. I've seen it before, and on low end devices, that speed difference really matters.
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No, Android 4.x uses an old kernel, Android 7.1 and newer are built with a newer kernel providing better support for the hardware and software.
Android is not the native operating system for the Tablet, earlier version of Android had issues than with the time was improve.
Sanras said:
Essentially newer OS means more reliable apps, but worse performance.
Older OS = better performance, worse apps.
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It all depends on the settings and how is set up, but newer OS provides better support. Software is what makes the hardware to work.
Devices are not mechanical machines that works on the principal of physical parts, but works on code, software.
Sanras said:
It all depends on what you prefer. For me, so long as that old OS is useable enough, I prefer the outdated but fast OS over the fully useable slow one.
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Check this guide and see that all ROMs have the same settings, optimized to use the full 1GB of RAM and CPU speed plus swap partition.
Any original ( stock ) Android ROM can not provide the same settings even if the user try.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/hp-touchpad-max-1gb-ram-max-1836-frequency-for-all-roms.3973149/
Sanras said:
Let's take another example: Say you have one laptop to use in 2022. You've got a netbook with a 1.6Ghz Intel Atom n280, and 1GB of RAM.
You *could* technically run Windows 10 on here if you wanted to. The hardware technically supports it. But is it a good idea? No, not at all. It's gonna be extremely slow and annoying to use. I'd rather run Windows XP on such a device, use Firefox 52.9ESR and deal with some broken webpages than use Windows 10 and a modern browser. At least with XP you're gonna have a fast and snappy computer, even if you have to use some old apps to get things done.
(Of course, this is hypothetical. The true best choice in this situation would be a Linux install with a simple X11 window manager or Windows 7 without transparency effects)
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It all depends on how that laptop is setup and the drivers installed.
If the laptop is used with all the bloatware ( extra software ) and outdated display drivers, it can not be use.
A Windows 10 installation that has all the unnecessary software remove ( which is a lot ) will provide the basic to support the hardware of a 10 or 15 year old PC and performs very fast with even just 4GB of RAM. What makes the PC slow is all the extra Task ( background process ).
The same applies to any Linux OS now days. The installation automatically install a lot of extra software and services, it takes time to clean it up and make it efficient.
Same principal applies to Android, what makes the Tablet slow is the google apps and all the extras that are not need it. The Tablet is just a Linux laptop with a touch screen.
Look at this guide of ROM Reducer:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/hp-touchpad-rom-reducer-for-more-ram.3954026/
HP_TOUCHPAD said:
No, Android 4.x uses an old kernel, Android 7.1 and newer are built with a newer kernel providing better support for the hardware and software.
Android is not the native operating system for the Tablet, earlier version of Android had issues than with the time was improve.
It all depends on the settings and how is set up, but newer OS provides better support. Software is what makes the hardware to work.
Devices are not mechanical machines that works on the principal of physical parts, but works on code, software.
Check this guide and see that all ROMs have the same settings, optimized to use the full 1GB of RAM and CPU speed plus swap partition.
Any original ( stock ) Android ROM can not provide the same settings even if the user try.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/hp-touchpad-max-1gb-ram-max-1836-frequency-for-all-roms.3973149/
It all depends on how that laptop is setup and the drivers installed.
If the laptop is used with all the bloatware ( extra software ) and outdated display drivers, it can not be use.
A Windows 10 installation that has all the unnecessary software remove ( which is a lot ) will provide the basic to support the hardware of a 10 or 15 year old PC and performs very fast with even just 4GB of RAM. What makes the PC slow is all the extra Task ( background process ).
The same applies to any Linux OS now days. The installation automatically install a lot of extra software and services, it takes time to clean it up and make it efficient.
Same principal applies to Android, what makes the Tablet slow is the google apps and all the extras that are not need it. The Tablet is just a Linux laptop with a touch screen.
Look at this guide of ROM Reducer:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/hp-touchpad-rom-reducer-for-more-ram.3954026/
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So you are saying the EV 7.1 build is as fast as CM11? (both same settings, no Gapps)? I really don't see how that can be the case. I have had A 7 on an old Galaxy Tab and Galaxy Nexus. On both devices, Android 4.4 (CM11) was quite a bit faster than the Android 7 builds (LOS 14.1). Ultimately, KitKat (2014) was made for the devices of its time, which were much less powerful than the devices of 2017, when Nougat launched. It makes sense that KitKat would thus run better on outdated hardware. Granted, those were native Android devices, but I think that should still apply to this touchpad, which is running an old Qualcomm CPU.
Anyway, once this boots, I'll test both JCSullins' CM11 and the EV 7 to see what is better. The only issue I really see with using 4.4 is the lack of Aurora Store, since that requires Lollipop at minimum. However, apkmirror should do fine for the few apps I need to install. YouTube Vanced 14.21.54 will work on KitKat as well.
Sanras said:
So you are saying the EV 7.1 build is as fast as CM11? (both same settings, no Gapps)? I really don't see how that can be the case. I have had A 7 on an old Galaxy Tab and Galaxy Nexus. On both devices, Android 4.4 (CM11) was quite a bit faster than the Android 7 builds (LOS 14.1). Ultimately, KitKat (2014) was made for the devices of its time, which were much less powerful than the devices of 2017, when Nougat launched. It makes sense that KitKat would thus run better on outdated hardware. Granted, those were native Android devices, but I think that should still apply to this touchpad, which is running an old Qualcomm CPU.
Anyway, once this boots, I'll test both JCSullins' CM11 and the EV 7 to see what is better. The only issue I really see with using 4.4 is the lack of Aurora Store, since that requires Lollipop at minimum. However, apkmirror should do fine for the few apps I need to install. YouTube Vanced 14.21.54 will work on KitKat as well.
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Is all about the settings and how is set up by the user and that applies to all devices, PC, smartphone even cars or anything !
You can see it with your own eyes, take a look at my youtube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKoir6bzzPU-Uq9UjcRR3hw
On this guide all the optimize settings are applied to all the ROMs to make them work the same.
I know there is a lot to read, but is 10 years of development.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...all-android-roms-with-swap-partition.3901773/
LN11211 said:
"@HP_TOUCHPAD , Hello, I still can't believe we have support for the touch pad....
The touch pad was dead a long ago and I revived it back today, "
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How did you revive your TouchPad??? Mine will not power on - there are no lights when charging. I have even replaced the battery with no difference.
Any Help is truly appreciated!
deegge said:
How did you revive your TouchPad??? Mine will not power on - there are no lights when charging. I have even replaced the battery with no difference.
Any Help is truly appreciated!
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Use original charger or equivalent.
Tablet must be in a warm environment of 80F. ( it won't take charge in the cold )
Check that the USB port is not damage, try the wireless charger if available.
Try to apply the de-brick process:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/hp-touchpad-debrick-linux-live-cd.4189245/