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This question has flooded my mind almost as much as Android has flooded the market...
Does anyone else think that Android has gone out of control? I mean there are literally dozens of devices announced / released every week, updates are a mess, developing is tricky due to all the different versions of the OS, screen resolution, cpu, gpu etc. The custom overlays is so common that the AOSP phones are almost non existant.
Manufacturers release a new phone each week since its an easy buck because its free and they know that with Android it cant keep a decent life span since its forgotten pretty much the day its released since all the new phone arriving or due to arrive, so asking for good support is a bit much nowadays. It seems like Android is becoming the new "featurephone OS" since almost every phone released runs it, so imo it loses its Premium feel since i can run most of the same apps in a crappy free budget device than a high end monster save some games and speed...
I have had dozens of android devices, from the HTC Touch port, to the EVO 3D, and frankly its hard to get exited for an android device nowadays since theres always something bigger and better almost immediatly instead of living out its life span before it gets eclipsed by something else. Thats why i like the iOS and WP7 approach since they release it in batches (cept apple because its 1) in a certain time frame, so you know you dont have to worry about being left behind or being behind the curve for a good while (i you care about that stuff like me) OS updates are a sure thing, app compatibility is all there and it just feels more integrated and organized
Android feels like mess actually, i have an android and really like the OS but honestly, its a touch friendly version of Windows Mobile in my eyes. It has all the features you would wanr, but performance is inconsistant, user experience is a mess, updates are hit and miss, and development is a headache
Sorry to rant so much, i really like Android actually, but got to the point that flooded the market with such a thing has ruined a good thing imo
Any imput?
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Well, I believe that's what android is about. Its like windows, many different computers run different versions of windows. I understand the "premium feel" aspect, but there's no alternative to Linux on phones besides android.
on the other hand, no one wants to be as confined as iphone. there is nothing unique between one iphone and another. they are both iphones whereas android has variety
It'll really be interesting to see what the future holds. Android could replace Windows and MacOS in a lot of ways.
Good post OP. I feel, as you do, that the fragmentation of the Android platform is a complete mess. It would have been nice if Google had more control over what happened to the OS on a manufacturer level. I'd have liked, at the very least, to have seen a minimum hardware requirement, an outright ban on carrier bloat and manufacturer skins too. I'm a purist though and some people buy HTC, for example, because they want 'Sense'. Personally i believe these skins should have been an optional component, perhaps available as a Market download.
Updates to the OS should have been arranged in a more consistent and controlled manner too, but with the diversity of hardware it has become a crap-shoot. Manufacturers are churning out phone after phone and most are horribly derivative. Of course, it's all about the $$.
I'm a fan of what Microsoft are doing with the WP7 platform and can only dream about a similar scenario with Android!
I think its all good.Its all about freedom.The freedom to choose you firmware,kernal,ROM or what ever.Others like iOS are to confined.Its great.
It is just because android is "opened". All manufacturers can produce and sell a phone running android. Like the computers, for example, you can't say to HP that "Why did you guys releases computers so fast? ASUS just released one yesterday!"
Also about what you think android is complicated is because of it's customizability (ability to be customized). When it can be very personalized, it gets a lot of settings. When it have a lot of settings, things get complicated. This is also why every android device is unique
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I've always been a PC guy and have used Macs in the past. I'm just used to Windows as opposed to an iOS. The fact that Android is open sourced, it allows for any user to customize it however they want.
I own an EVO 3D, and own an iPod Touch. There's endless possibilities on what I can do on the 3D versus what I can do on the iPod. I also know that the iPod can be jailbroken as well.
I do understand your argument as there are many different phones that come out each week/month. It gets overwhelming as to which device is better and what not, but it all comes down to what the end user wants for a device that fits their needs. A typical user just wants to be able to call, text, and get online. These typical users would like to see different styles, colors, sizes that fit their lifestyle.
Apple has a standardized iPhone/iPod and it receives an update once in a while. Granted, you can pick out a cover for it in different colors and styles, but it has the same UI look.
But I, on the other hand, like to tinker and like to customize the device of my choice.
Based on the fact that we're all members here on this forum by choice and are happily reading and writing...I'd say that there's no such thing as too much.
Although I'll be honest, I was dying to just say about this much "...................." (there I said it)
i agree that android is all over the place with late updates ect however i love the fact that its available in all flavors not just one flavor like you know who.
Android is just the hip thing. It's quickly becoming to mobile-devices what MS-DOS/Windows was to home computers. Only, the licensing is different
That doesn't mean there's too much of it though. Android is still linux at its core, and part of that is putting up with the disorganized community development.
for me its a toss up between the ipad 2 and the prime. I wanted to know why the people here are after the prime instead of going for the ipad 2.
keep in mind, i don't know what androids like at all, so please answer in more detail then: I like android more then apple.
people talk about freedom of the device, whats that about? i can download stuff using something like utorrent? could i install games not made for android? i wish i knew more about this thing, but im bad at research.
Please don't tell me why you like the ipad2 better, i just want to know stuff about the prime that the ipad2 is missing for you.
Well for one, its hasn't been released yet, so for most people its a competition between old technology and new technology. Plus you are on an Android/Palm/Windows dominated forum.
As for why people prefer Android to Apple, there are many reasons. For a majority of the people on XDA it has to do with the ability to completely customize the entire operating system, something that apple cant do (either by restrictions or a less dedicated mod community), anything from modifications to stock or a completely independent new rom, thats what XDA does.
For many people they don't trust Apple for the way they trick customers and do buisness. There are hundreds of reason, too many for me (one person to list) as for why people prefer Android to IOS.
In addition to Android being a more open system than iOS, it also seems to be getting updated at a quicker pace. If (or when) your device gets outdated, you will always have a dedicated community keeping your device up to date for a long time.
Also, the connectivity on a device like Prime seems to be above and beyond what you get on the iPad.
You have Micro HDMI out (need dongle for iPad), Micro SD card slot for expanding memory (not available on iPad), option to get a keyboard dock w/extra battery (only wireless option that drains battery for iPad)
With the dock you get even more connectivity with a regular USB port (needs another dongle on iPad) that supports regular mouse/keyboard. Also supports a USB hub should you want to use your regular PC Mouse/Keyboard.
I might be biased since I have only played with iPads and never owned one. Did sell my Galaxy Tab 10.1 and pre ordered the Prime though.
Just my $0.02
IMHO, it's because the Transformer Prime is a true convergence device. Apple could have easily made something like it, but to protect their profits, they kept the iPad and MBA separate (i.e. crippled) instead.
If the iPad could do everything a Mac can do, Apple would stand to lose a lot of profits. So that's why the smart money is on the Transformer Prime.
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Well for one, its hasn't been released yet, so for most people its a competition between old technology and new technology. Plus you are on an Android/Palm/Windows dominated forum.
As for why people prefer Android to Apple, there are many reasons. For a majority of the people on XDA it has to do with the ability to completely customize the entire operating system, something that apple cant do (either by restrictions or a less dedicated mod community), anything from modifications to stock or a completely independent new rom, thats what XDA does.
For many people they don't trust Apple for the way they trick customers and do buisness. There are hundreds of reason, too many for me (one person to list) as for why people prefer Android to IOS.
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true, its not out yet, but a lot of people have watched a crap ton of videos or have had some hands on. I also would like to know how android works for the tablet.. lol im a complete nub at this stuff.
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IMHO, it's because the Transformer Prime is a true convergence device. Apple could have easily made something like it, but to protect their profits, they kept the iPad and MBA separate (i.e. crippled) instead.
If the iPad could do everything a Mac can do, Apple would stand to lose a lot of profits. So that's why the smart money is on the Transformer Prime.
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great answer, this makes me lean towards the prime.
Truth be told, im MOST likely getting the prime, i just would like to hear good things about it.
Obvisously it being the tube first quad core tablet and being 32gb at the same price point as the 16gb iPad 2 are huge reasons. Of course with the dock the price is 650 but I believe it's a worthy addition. It's also thinner, has way more connectivity, I.e. hdmi out, SD slot, etc. The promise of having ICS (Google's new OS) before the end of the year.
You can't really tinker with ios and I don't actually consider it an OS anyways. Just homescreen after homescreen of start menus. Ios is boring and just overall not an enjoyable experience. Everytime I use my EVO 3d I still get excited about all the stuff i can do with it. Google is just more enticing in my opinion.
If you really are bad at research you might consider sticking with the iPad2. I think of Android as the tinkerer's OS. I have IT degrees and certs and still have to research pretty hard to keep up with all the work that the great devs here do. It's not the simplest platform out there. However if you want to get better at researching this stuff and like learning about your tech from the inside out I say get the Prime and watch these forums closely.
The biggest upside to this tablet over any other tablet for me though is the keyboard dock. It's an ingenious innovation in tablets that is sure to be copied at some point. A peripheral that actually adds battery life while providing not one, not two, but three or more excellent options (usb, sd, keys) to the device is pretty amazing.
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If you really are bad at research you might consider sticking with the iPad2. I think of Android as the tinkerer's OS. I have IT degrees and certs and still have to research pretty hard to keep up with all the work that the great devs here do. It's not the simplest platform out there. However if you want to get better at researching this stuff and like learning about your tech from the inside out I say get the Prime and watch these forums closely.
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im sure ill be able to get the most of it.
Pretty simple. its not Apple. that is the biggest selling point
I considered the iPad2 for about 10seconds after the whole Amazon cancelling orders fiasco, but then I realize how boring and expensive the thing really is. 64GB model is 120$ more expensive, no option for a decent keyboard dock, gated community iOS crap.... BUT they do have some apps I do want that aren't out YET for Android. I don't know, I want a tablet with functionality, customizability, and with next year's tech in it. Honestly, after ICS I probably won't bother rooting and flashing the device... But I still prefer an Android. It's a fun OS, ICS looks amazing, and if I ever decide to root and flash, I can! The iPad doesn't really offer that much. It hardly lets you do decent word processing last I checked.
I mean, since Dropbox and all that stuff, syncing docs between devices is a joke, I remember the iPad1 being kinda lame in that respect (plus it was using that Apple word processing suite... ick). I don't know... and the whole Gamestop getting behind Tegra 3 is really awesome. Gives me hope that Android might get more exposure, get more popular, and therefore more devs actually working to release games on the platform rather than iOS only.
I just think it's kinda lame that Asus didn't have enough stock to go around to release these things before Christmas... Regardless, I'm staying away from iPads THIS year and getting the Prime.
I own an iPad2 for about half a year.
And I am an Android user, my phone is HTC Desire, Nexus S, and pre-ordered Galaxy Nexus.
First of all, please excuse my english language
Previously, I was waiting a good decent Android tablet, good hardware profile, good battery life, screen is nice, etc.
My eyes was on Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, but Honeycomb 3.0 at that time really put me off with issues like "slow text input on web page". And the fact that it came very late in Europe (even barred in Germany!).
ASUS Transformer 1 just does not cut it, I don't like the hardware profile, thick and heavier than GTab 10.1. Sure, I use iPad2 as reference because as Android user, I always want a device that is better (or on par) than fruit device!
I could wait and wait, but nevertheless my wife asked me a tablet and I thought iPad2 will suit her (as non power user).
After half a year using this iPad2, here are some things that I don't like:
1. The virtual keyboard.
Why on earth, Apple created virtual keyboard like that? No lower case indication, no easy way to output numeric chars (on Android, I can long press), and way too much click to output []+ for example (I hate this when I create a post in XDA starting with "[Q]" ... or typing "Google+"). Really, I wish I can change the keyboard. Alas, I cant.
With Android, you can change it the way you want. There are many good virtual keyboard apps!
2. Non-unified file system
All right, in iOS, there is no unified file system. Each app has its own storage space. That's make a bit difficult to manage files. Granted, I always want to use my device as storage for my files. There is nothing wrong with it, right?
If I got a file attachment in iOS, how do I download it? How can I access that file from other apps?
3. Sharing thing
On Android, if I have something, like a file, an app, or anything, I can easily share it with other users via intuitive user interface, using WhatsApp, Facebook, Google+, email, what not.
I simply cannot do this with iOS. You can say, this is not a big deal, but that's disadvantage.
Right now, I always go back to my Nexus S to share things!
4. Boring home screen
Yeah, this is obvious. There is nothing you can do with iOS home screen. Icons icons and loads of icons. I want "direct information" right in the home screen, like weather, news, system status, etc. You cannot have that, you must access each app manually to get that information. With Android, you can have widget, simple.
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So, now, with the Prime, I think I found the right tablet for me I still hate Honeycomb, but it will get ICS.
The hardware profile is much better than the iPad2, with SD card slot, HDMI, and decent keyboard dock. While still maintaining thinner and lighter profile.
Why shouldn't I get one?
People complaint about "smoothness" and "fluidity" of the scrolling / home screen. Yes, most probably iOS is better on this, but ICS is not that bad! I don't think you will experience choppy and laggy user interface or such. I will opt for all those advantages on Android rather than just smoothness.
Apps, apps and apps. Yeah, this is personal. So far, I am satisfied with all apps that I can get from Android. ... Of course, except Facebook app! But, I think I can use the web browser
Hope this helps
Here's what can be done on android that can't on iOS. (expect maybe by jailbreaking but it become way less convenient than your usual iOS expérience)
_ widget : widget are great on tablet where you have big screen. Lot of usefull and funny stuff can be had to the homescreens.
_lives wallpapers : many cool looking or even usefull interactive wallpapers.
_ acces to files. You can dl torrents and every thing else easily.
_ google stuff intégration. Google is the best on the internet. Android is where google shine the most.
_ change every thing in the os. Homescreens, keyboard, everything can be change by a single tap in the market.
_ custom rom. Developpers can build thing that completly change the way android works.
_ geeky funny stuff like easter egg
_flash
Overall, with Android you'll never find yourself unable to do something that a low power device should be able to do (don't expect to do a CG short movie on your tablet...) And the experience of the OS itself (outside of each individual apps) is way less boring than iOS.
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People complaint about "smoothness" and "fluidity" of the scrolling / home screen. Yes, most probably iOS is better on this, but ICS is not that bad! I don't think you will experience choppy and laggy user interface or such. I will opt for all those advantages on Android rather than just smoothness.
Apps, apps and apps. Yeah, this is personal. So far, I am satisfied with all apps that I can get from Android. ... Of course, except Facebook app! But, I think I can use the web browser
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smoothness is a big deal for me, but i had the ipad, this thing MUST... MUUUSST!! be faster then my ipad1?! don't tell me its less fluid then that. I don't know if i could handle it.
You know, iOS will always better on that smoothness/fluidity of the user interface, even with ICS.
You know why?
Because iOS does a lot less than Android.
Really, a lot less ...
For example, see the above post from user kokusho. Those are just examples what you cannot do on iOS.
But, have you seen ICS on Galaxy Nexus and some bit demos on the Prime?
I don't think that is not acceptable for smoothness.
ICS is super fast, but at certain times, you might "perceive" some kind of lag. For example, going back/to home screen from apps drawer, or long SMS list. But yeah, that does not mean it is not fast nor smooth. It is smooth, but it is not the same like iOS.
As I said, I won't bother that much. There are a lot more advantages on Android that make life easier for using tablet. And it will get better.
Really, to answer your question on this thread is "very simple":
Why Do You Like The Prime More Then The Ipad2?
Because The Prime with Android can do much more than iPad2 ...
Here, if you want to know more about Android smoothness/fluidity:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
If you know a bit about "technical", it's worth to read ...
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smoothness is a big deal for me, but i had the ipad, this thing MUST... MUUUSST!! be faster then my ipad1?! don't tell me its less fluid then that. I don't know if i could handle it.
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for me its a toss up between the ipad 2 and the prime. I wanted to know why the people here are after the prime instead of going for the ipad 2.
keep in mind, i don't know what androids like at all, so please answer in more detail then: I like android more then apple.
people talk about freedom of the device, whats that about? i can download stuff using something like utorrent? could i install games not made for android? i wish i knew more about this thing, but im bad at research.
Please don't tell me why you like the ipad2 better, i just want to know stuff about the prime that the ipad2 is missing for you.
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Well I had Asus Transformer one and currently I have Ipad 2. Here is why Ipad 2 is a piece of crap:
CONS OF IPADS:
1. Ipads have much worse resolution. On paper it you might think it is not that bad. But when I sold TF (just to wait and buy Prime of course) and bought Ipad2 (a temporary solution) I could not believe my eyes. Asus have a great display. Everything is sharp and clear. Ipads resolution is not good enough. While playing games the difference is almost invisible. But when browsing internet, reading books and so on the difference is huge. On Ipad the text is not clear, not sharp. My eyes have hard work to make. Believe me or not. Ipads displays sucks.
2. Ipads do not have external slots lile SD slot, USB slot. If you want to copy to Ipad mp3 or mkv you have to use stupid Itunes. Also if you copy some files into Ipad they are only seen by a certain application you are going to use to play those files. While in Android tablets like great TF you copy files and you can access to the by any of application on tablet. Full freedom.
3. You cannot customize desktop on Ipad. After using TF I felt a huge discomfort using Ipad. I could do nothing with the screen. No widgets, no nothing...
4. No flash on ipad. I have few favorite WWW which demands flash. They worked on TF properly but on Ipad.... they do not. lol....
PROS OF IPAD
1. More GAMES. Yes games only. So what you have plenty of apps. But not having the ability of widgets (like weather) those apps are not so attractive like those for Android. But comparing Android games with Ipad games I must say that there are only few more (for me) games on iOS than on Android. I thought there will be much more great games on iOS. Another disappointment.
As for me Ipads are just toys. More like consoles. A stuff for kids mostly. For people not demanding having a PC compared possibilities.
If you want to have useless toy - take Ipad. Want to have small PC - take Android - Asus PRIME! YEACH! AMEN!
iPad 2 pros:
Software availability - but this will change, development is increasingly Android + iOS rather than iOS first, Android port maybe some day.
Raw GPU power - potential for more graphically-impressive games, though Tegra 3's GPU is still good and may win out on more complex scenes?
Ease of use - there's not much to the OS, so not much to go wrong.
3G version available - would have to use another device (or maybe dongle) with the Prime.
Transformer Prime pros:
Customisability - you can change anything on Android, Apple want to control the experience.
No walled garden - free to install any application without Google's permission, no need to jailbreak.
Screen - higher resolution and brighter.
Raw CPU power - the other side of the coin, this gives the Prime more potential than the iPad 2 in other areas.
Dock option - makes the Prime into an Android netbook and extends battery life. iPad alternative is not integrated, drains the battery, and does not have a trackpad.
Expansion - microSDHC card slot and micro-HDMI port on tablet, and SD card slot and USB 2.0 port on dock. iPad requires additional dongles.
Camera - superior camera. Though I'm not sure what you're doing with a camera on a tablet.
For some (most?) people, the ease of use and application availability points mean the iPad 2 wins out. But for most of us here, being able to change stuff and use more of the potential of the device means that the Prime is the winner.
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Obvisously it being the tube first quad core tablet and being 32gb at the same price point as the 16gb iPad 2 are huge reasons. Of course with the dock the price is 650 but I believe it's a worthy addition. It's also thinner, has way more connectivity, I.e. hdmi out, SD slot, etc. The promise of having ICS (Google's new OS) before the end of the year.
You can't really tinker with ios and I don't actually consider it an OS anyways. Just homescreen after homescreen of start menus. Ios is boring and just overall not an enjoyable experience. Everytime I use my EVO 3d I still get excited about all the stuff i can do with it. Google is just more enticing in my opinion.
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Truth, iOS gets very boring. I was using an iPhone 4 for maybe 2 months and there was something about it that I didn't like. Now I figured it out once I went back to my X2. iOS is just so plain and linear, it holds your hand on everything. Even when you're installing a jailbreak mod, you just press "Install" and sit back unlike on Android where you have boot into recovery yourself and point it to whatever it is you want to flash.
I found my Transformer better than the iPad, so I'm sure I'll find the Prime better as well
I look at the iPad as dummy-proof. Too simplistic for my needs, and kind of boring, just having grids of icons. I also like to tweak things, and even without rooting, Android has a a lot of personalizations that I cannot do with iOS.
Apple innovates, and repackages well, and they know how to make things look cool that have been around for a long time (brilliant marketing). However, I just do not like the 'better than you' smugness that is too often associated with folks who pony up the Apple premium prices.
I had an iPad and currently have an iPad2 for work, but I want what I want, and I just feel that Apple doesn't allow me to do that.
I had a Xoom, which was okay, but seemed first gen. My hacked Nook Color is more useful to me, and I may keep it to read books on (I read lots of books). The Xoom is quite a bit heavier than the Prime, and I found that reading for long periods was a chore on the Xoom in comparison to the compact and lighter Nook Color
I'm hoping that the Prime is the "baby bear" (just right) to the "papa bear" Xoom (too big and cumbersome) and "mama bear" Nook color (a bit too small). ..and don't ask me how I thought of that analogy.. I was just thinking of comparing three things
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I'm hoping that the Prime is the "baby bear" (just right) to the "papa bear" Xoom (too big and cumbersome) and "mama bear" Nook color (a bit too small). ..and don't ask me how I thought of that analogy.. I was just thinking of comparing three things
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Wouldn't The Prime be more like Goldilocks? The one all the bears are after?
Seriously though, the widgets are the thing that really sets Android apart IMHO. On my phone (Dell Streak 5), every person I've shown it to is just amazed.
I have the weather, lists (groceries and to-do), music player, RSS feed and calendar widgets. That at-a-glance information means I can get out the door quicker in the morning and not be late! And it's my book/manga reader too.
Disclaimer: As I was reading over my post, I felt that I was really critical against Android/TFP users. But the only reason I am writing this whole comparison is because I want you guys to have the best experience. I didn't sit here and type this whole thing up trying to bash you guys or show off or anything. End/
So I know I'm gonna get a lot of hate for doing this cause of all the Android fanboy vs iOS fanboy debates. But guess what, I have used Android and have been on XDA for years now and I now have an iPad, no hard feelings. Don't be fanboys of companies, be fanboys of good products.
Anyways, I'm gonna compare the TFP and the iPad 3 since I have owned both. PS, this is gonna be pro iPad so cover your eyes if you can't take my opinion.
These arguments are mostly gonna be Android vs iOS but since the TFP is the best Android tablet IMO and the iPad 3 is the best iOS, I will use them for reference.
App Availability
This is the biggest and most important difference. I still use an android phone because the apps on it are still ok. Not as good and polished as iOS apps but still manageable. However, tablets are a whole different story. Maybe just me telling you won't do any good. Just download iTunes and see for yourself. The number of tablet apps on iOS is amazing. They aren't blown up apps like the Android "tablet" apps. They really make good use of the bigger screen. I think that there are probably more retina ready apps (retina iPad came out 4 days ago) than there are tablet apps in android.
The problem is and will continue to be the fragmentation on Android. I suggest you to read about MikaMobile, creators of Battleheart, ZombieVille, etc halting android support. Basically, they said that it takes them way too much time and money to support Android due to all the different OS versions, screen sizes, hardware, etc. And until this is fixed, iOS will continue to get all the good apps which would in turn attract more customers, and this greater app support and the cycle repeats.
Smoothness
The iPad is really smooth as butter. While the TFP boasts all the hardware, I always had little lags here and there (scrolling in browser, reading large PDFs, moving between apps, etc). Again, there is no point in me telling you. Go to a store and try out the iPad. Almost never had any lag or stutters.
Sad to say but Android tablets aren't even close to what iOS tablets have to offer. I really cant see any reason why you would want an Android tablet over the iPad.
Reasons You Want Android Over iOS
1) Customization. Probably the most common argument Android users use.
-Widgets: Sure I miss them a bit but I will take good apps over widgets any day. Perhaps you spend too much time on your home screen staring at all your widgets and custom icons because you don't have any good apps.
-Custom roms/Tweaks: Can't really talk about custom roms since I have not tried any on the TFP. But I doubt it would be any faster than iOS. If you jailbreak your iPad, the customization isn't that bad, I would say better than Android actually. There are a lot of useful tweaks in Cydia that Android doesn't offer. IE, pull down in Safari to refresh page, Moving multiple icons at a time, No gravity on home screen, etc. I'm sure a rooted/unlocked Android could have those tweaks too but too bad there arent enough Android tablet users/devs.
2) Multitasking
This is actually one of the only advantages of Android. Android offers true multitasking while the iPad has pretty poor multitasking. Not much to say about that.
3) Price
This is the TFP forum so they should be about the same price. But i guess if you are getting something like the Kindle then the price is a deciding factor.
4) Keyboard + Ports
Yes, the killer feature of the Prime. Another one of the only reasons you would get TFP. However, you can check out Clamcase for iPads and it is actually better than the TFP dock in many ways minus the ports. If USB and sd ports are really that important and you dont want to use the ipad dongles then I guess this is another deciding factor.
5) Drag n Drop over iTunes
Advantage of TFP
I will be happy to respond to the typical "walled garden", "no customization", "no flash", "crappy hardware", "Android/Apple fanboy" comments.
Remember, don't be fanboys of companies, be fanboys of good products.
After playing the new Mass Effect, Sky Gamblers, Updated Real Racing 2 & Updated Infinity Blade 2....I can honestly say that my new iPad smokes the Prime and Infinity Pad. The graphics are amazing!!!!
You might want to do a bit more reading into the MikaMobile situation.
It's not they aren't making money on Google market/play, nor is it porting or various hardware problem in later interview with the dev.
Returning briefly to what took up the majority of that 20% of their time dedicated to Android development, it was not related to fragmentation as some have asserted. The two activities that required the most time were the initial porting process (not shocking) and simple customer service (download and payment problems). The latter seemed to be a particular thorn in their side and of course is made all the more exasperating by the fact that those are in fact areas in Google’s control and not really something a developer should be dealing with at all. It’s hardly the first time I’ve heard that complaint from a developer and it is a subject worthy of discussion on its own at some point.
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http://androidandme.com/2012/03/app...figures-in-their-first-six-months-on-android/
And there are successful game dev that focus solely on Android platform.
ill comment on your Ipad customization claim-
I've had an Ipad over 2yrs. jailbroken. so I know cydia and the other places very well. while cydia does have some cool tweaks to make Ipad more useful, its chump change compared to Android mods n tweaks after rooting.
Ipad has:
-no Overclocking
-no custom roms
-no memory tweaks
-no Widgets
-no undervolting for even better battery life with overclocking
-no Linux or Ubuntu can be loaded on it
-no way to make backup of the whole system on device itself
-no real customization or personalization lmfao device. all Ipad can do is change wallpaper. then if you jailbreak you can use the crappy icons or themes in there. even with those it still looks the same.
-no downloading file in stock browser, Safari
-no uploading files in stock safari
-no access to flash content. skyfire on Ipad blows. puffin browser decent bit slow as a mofo. I know, I have these apps. and Crash is a joke
-no great custom keyboards like android has.
- all apple keyboards blows. clamshell one is NOT better than transformer dock. how can you even claim that when it doesn't even have a built in battery. no USB ports. no full size SD card slot...apple peripherals blows hard. its no contest Prime has the superior keyboard. alot more functionality than apple keyboards can even dream of.
-no USB host capabilities on Ipad itself or dock. Prime can use mouse, a separate keyboard, external hard drives, etc... even apple adapter sux. all it allows you to do is access pictures. it doesn't even accept most forms of thumb drives because apple crippled the voltage output. therefore it won't even recognize devices if its not apple made. you can't even hook your phone up to Ipad and transfer files through USB adapter. it doesn't even recognize phone because it says it draws too much power.
-no ability to download attachments in native email app. you can't even create a new email, within email app, and add files or pictures to it. have to be jailbroken to partially do this. android does this out the box.
- crippled stock media player. apple only allows you to play mp4 out the box. you have to get other apps to play other formats. android/Prime plays most formats out the box.
-no real multitasking. On my prime I can use overskreen browser and surf the web while another app is opened. or like stick it media player. I can be surfing the web and watch movie at the same time with no issues. plus I float those apps anywhere on the screen I want.
-no native out the box file explorer. you have to jailbrake and get ifiles. android does this out the box.
-no optimized aspect ratio for watching movies. 4:3 aspect ratio is ratio of old a$$ television sets. you try to watch a movie and go fullscreen, it cuts off the image very badly and zooms up movie image and not as sharp and clear anymore. prime has perfect movie theatre aspect ratio. Far superior for watching movies and videos.
-safari browser not able to change user agent. most of the time it loads up mobile version of sites.
-no way to enjoy using device outdoors in the sun. its display isn't bright at all. even on highest brightness setting its hard to view outdoors. prime has no issue at all having ips+ technology. easily viewed outdoors on the brightest days.
-no developer support
-app non tablet apps look horrible resized. android does a way better job at resizing and still keeping clarity n detail of app.
-Ipad apps cost more than android version. I already compared since I have both units and over 150-200 apps on both devices.
-video conferencing far superior on Android. Android Skype, tango, fring, o'clock are better versions and perform better than IOS counterparts. I have all this apps on both devices. although my ipad1 doesn't have a cam, I'm still able to use the video chat and see the other person. I'm more so comparing quality of the video stream coming in. facetime blows because only enables chat to other IOS devices.
-NO CONTROLLER SUPPORT FOR GAMES. this is huge since Ipad tries to focus on gaming. this is what happens in locked down OS where they don't give you USB or BT host capabilities.
-Ipad apps actually crash quite frequently. instead of saying FC or would you like to close, it just crashes back to homescreen.
-new Ipad no longer has the thin and light form factor like the price. its just as thick and as heavy as the first Ipad. major step backwards for apple. especially how ipad2 was advertised by apple so much for being thin and light.
-not able to create apps and developement on the device itself. Android now has this ability and apps to develop for other android devices on the tablet itself.
-not able to go to most movie and videos sites and watch. doesn't support flash.
-Ipad YouTube app is far inferior to android one.
-no system monitor apps on Ipad. no real ones to let you monitor CPU usage, memory usage, etc..
-very large PDF files load up and turn pages very slowly on Ipad. my prime with same large PDF file plows through it easily. example: I have the complete Service manual for my dogs magnum. same manual service center uses. PDF file is over 300mb and several thousand pages long. I can use it easier and faster on my prime as I put it on both devices.
-Ipad doesn't even recognize all forms of photos/pictures. especially ones coming from android phones. apple has their own specific formats it'll only recognize. prime recognizes all picture formats.
-less than a handful of processor optimized apps and games. 99% of apps n games look and perform just as good on my ipad1 as they do with ipad2 or new Ipad. developers makes the apps n games for all generations. none hardly take advantage. so Android version of the same games end up looking better on Prime. more visual effects, details, etc.. not our fault apple or its developers too dumb not to optimize at least some apps for newer processors ipad2 and new Ipad has.
-no way to play another opponent over local wifi network like Android. on apple you can only play online. no local network playing support.
-apple has to use iTunes to transfer media, movies, make backup,etc...android can do all of thieving device itself.
I own both devices. for me, the negatives outweigh ipads positive. Ipad a straight up consumption device. Android is more productive and do things apple can only dream of out the box or jailbroken. Ipad gets no love here. This Android country. Prime territory. so if you expect people to give you props for your new Ipad, you are mistaken. now that you have Ipad, you might as well join ipadforums and forget about xda. there is no support or help here for apple products. any talk of apple or ipads will always be greeted with beef up here. no way around it. xda not for Ipad users. might as well ditch your android phone also and get an iPhone. so you can become a full blown apple fanboy..lmfao.
As you see Ipad/IOS has a very long list of negatives that I wasn't even done with yet. My negatives for ipad is far numerous than your positive points. i could've easily doubled that negatives list in size if i felt like continuing to list negatives. plus your comparison wasn't unbiased or even attempted to be. so expect the heat to come and thread probably shut down eventually. the ones like this always do. Mass effect coming also to android and will be tegra3 optimized. meaning we will have better looking and playing version. just like shadowgun and Riptide.
you already made a similar thread before n got flamed. this one will be no different. why not just go in peace and live in ipadlandforums..lol you only bringing the heat to yourself and coming off as trolling. even if you don't mean to be. honestly no one hear cares about Ipad. so its a failed mission on apple propaganda.
There's nothing wrong with you preceding IOS or Ipad over Android and prime. The problem is when you come into an Android/Prime dedicated forum and spew Ipad/Apple propaganda. Do you expect us to be like OK, he is right, Android and Prime does suck. now I want an Ipad..lol.
don't take the apple fanboy comment personal. comes with the territory. I am a fan of great products also. So based on my list of negatives for Ipad/IOS, I'd say I made a great decision sticking with Android and Prime. Me and alot of others don't easily fall for the me 2 hype. Ipad is a great device and the graphics are killer. For me though, Prime and Android is more well rounded. ill take far superior CPU and computational power anyday over just a focus in graphics. Life is not all about games you know.
Wow demandarin, must feel good getting that of your chest ;-)
Agree with your points though..
I don't get the point about the Apps.
I'm using right now OverSkreen - and this is a killer app. It changed the way i can use my Prime while browsing. Watching a stream in one and browsing in another window? That's magic.
I can use vPlayer and let the video play in the background. Download stuff? Access my NAS without hacks and tricks? Watching every Video (besides 10bit) on this planet? Hey, i can even watch a straight blu-ray rip with DicePlayer.
I don't need Millions of apps. Give me Apps which are awesome and gamechanging. Who cares about "garage band"? I think people will be blast when they see that Android user can use the inet in a PC-style.
In reply to xgary..... i own both an ipad 2 and TFP. Sorry i dont have an ipad3 yet but have read many official reviews that its a tiny bit faster than ipad2, sharper, better camera/video capture, and high resolution. In my opinion, I dont see the point of very high resolution on a small 9` inch screen. A 1080x720 would be plenty enough. A resolution like the ipad3 belongs on a 60` hdtv screen , not on a small screen. Seems like a marketing strategy by apple that serves no real purpose. The cpu is a modded a5 or core2 duo to accomodate the quadcore graphic chip.
Ipad3 beats tfp in the graphics department, but tfp definitly beats ipad3 in the cpu performance. Dont believe me.... go read about the benchmark. Xgary you should really try rooting your tfp and flash the rom to virtuous prime . I just did it yesterday and can honestly say what a big improvementt with the browsing experience and swiping between pages. The webpages are opening up much faster, more responsive, and feels a lot smoother. I played with tfp tablet for a total of 7 hours today to make sure i wasnt dreaming. Xda developers did an awesome job and they werent lieing when they said the rom will maker your tablet run faster and smoother.
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I really cant see any reason why you would want an Android tablet over the iPad.
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Mmmh i see many many hehe
What about general functionality? smoothness and beauty are nice to have features to maximize the user experience but functionality is the must-have base ... I don´t own an Ipad, only read articles about it and look some review and test videos to build my own opinion. If i then compare this information with this thread, 2 totally different images of the same product can be seen.
I mean sure there are lots of high-quality tablet apps and games for iOS and everything is very smooth, but to be honest, thats the only really positive thing about the new Ipad. I saw several reviews showing crashes of system apps, for example app store, game center and so one ... There are retina games available, which seems to cause heat problems and frame dropping after playing this ones for longer times ... In general there is an unbiased study available, that iOS apps crashes more often then Android apps.
One big task a tablet should be able to offer in perfection and mostly unindependant is browsing the web, in my opinion, a tablet should be able to raplace a desktop pc in matter of browsing! While Android tablets offer flash support, good working html5 and javascript, the new ipad is far away from that. No flash at all and many bugs in html5 and java script, for example try to post a comment on the youtube website in desktop view so html5 is used. it will be impossible, it will be impossible to do anything on the site, buttons are only place holders lol while the iOS youtube app is very ****ty compared to ICS one ... (as intended from google ...) For me a multimedia tablet really is useless if i only can work with some parts of the web ...
the ipad misses a stand-alone concept in general, that starts with the fact that you are not able to use your new Ipad without having a PC with itunes to activate that ...
You also underrated the port-topic regarding to the new Ipad. If i read all the opinions it seems that gaming is a really huge topic if it comes to iOS, so the lack of generic usb host feature that allows to connect input methods to controle the amazingly-looking games is a big FAIL, epic graphic engine is useless if the games must be controlled with emulated touch controls ... in most cases ...
Then there is that huge amount of limitation on iOS, if i get it right i´m even not able to use a .zip attachement received by mail (in the build in email app), thats just absurd, same with the fact that i would not be able to free copy and paste text between several apps, for me that are real must-have features to be able to do some work on that things ...
Then the form factor, funny idea of apple to choose a format which is not able to play 95% of the multimedia content for which it is build for in native aspect ratio (without black bars).
Then the usual standards that could be expected in multimedia tablets, like generic hdmi and the ability to just clone the screen, again try it with your ipad that way ...
And i really could continue, pls don´t get me wrong, i don´t say that iPad is a bad product, but in my opinion it is not "more perfect" than an android tablet and in my situation, the disadvantages of an Abdroid tablet(like a milisecond of lag every 30 minutes, or that i have to wait until 100+ hd games are available for android tablets and so one) are much more compensatable than the major feature lack of iOS ...
I'm just curious to why these posts keep popping up? I guess I just thought anyone on a developer forum would already know what ios has to offer. I mean for me yes, apple makes pretty nice hardware but I cant stand ios. Also I find it funny that everyone claims no bias when there clearly is bias one way or another, and yes I read the edit. These apple posts need to die. I almost miss all the *****ing, at least that was relevant to the product people own. Maybe I'm just confused on what this thread is trying to accomplish.
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I'm just curious to why these posts keep popping up? I guess I just thought anyone on a developer forum would already know what ios has to offer. I mean for me yes, apple makes pretty nice hardware but I cant stand ios. Also I find it funny that everyone claims no bias when there clearly is bias one way or another, and yes I read the edit. These apple posts need to die. I almost miss all the *****ing, at least that was relevant to the product people own. Maybe I'm just confused on what this thread is trying to accomplish.
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Possible competitor paid advertisor here to troll.
Aka. Professional trolls
If anyone hasn't heard, apparently the iPad 3 may have some serious overheating issues. It's on many sites this morning, and the Apple Forums are full of complaints.
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Smoothness
The iPad is really smooth as butter. While the TFP boasts all the hardware, I always had little lags here and there (scrolling in browser, reading large PDFs, moving between apps, etc). Again, there is no point in me telling you. Go to a store and try out the iPad. Almost never had any lag or stutters.
Sad to say but Android tablets aren't even close to what iOS tablets have to offer. I really cant see any reason why you would want an Android tablet over the iPad.
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Actually I didn't want to waste any time on answering, since I wasted enough reading the post already...
But in relation to the Smoothness this sounds interesting:
http://gizmodo.com/5893970/ipad-test-notes-speed-versus-tegra-3
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The iPad with its A5X chip scored a very respectable 757. Then the Transformer Prime pretty much curb-stomped it, scoring 1438. That means it performed complex calculations almost twice as fast as the iPad and quite a bit faster than a G5, too! This translates into fast day-to-day use, opening apps, and within apps and games. Visuals will be smoother on the iPad, but in most cases, it won't be faster.
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This. Plus 1.
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I don't get the point about the Apps.
I'm using right now OverSkreen - and this is a killer app. It changed the way i can use my Prime while browsing. Watching a stream in one and browsing in another window? That's magic.
I can use vPlayer and let the video play in the background. Download stuff? Access my NAS without hacks and tricks? Watching every Video (besides 10bit) on this planet? Hey, i can even watch a straight blu-ray rip with DicePlayer.
I don't need Millions of apps. Give me Apps which are awesome and gamechanging. Who cares about "garage band"? I think people will be blast when they see that Android user can use the inet in a PC-style.
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Depends. I don't need millions of apps either. but find me Android apps that are as good as Notability for note taking, Safari for browsing, iBooks for PDFs, Flipbook for news, Tweetbot for Twitter, etc. Then what about all the good games that are almost always available on iOS first? All the game loft games (I didn't have to beg game loft to support my iPad like we had to for TFP , mass effect, Fruit ninja online, Infinity blade, Temple Run (I waited for months for them to release on android) ZombieVille 2.
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In reply to xgary..... i own both an ipad 2 and TFP. Sorry i dont have an ipad3 yet but have read many official reviews that its a tiny bit faster than ipad2, sharper, better camera/video capture, and high resolution. In my opinion, I dont see the point of very high resolution on a small 9` inch screen. A 1080x720 would be plenty enough. A resolution like the ipad3 belongs on a 60` hdtv screen , not on a small screen. Seems like a marketing strategy by apple that serves no real purpose. The cpu is a modded a5 or core2 duo to accomodate the quadcore graphic chip.
Ipad3 beats tfp in the graphics department, but tfp definitly beats ipad3 in the cpu performance. Dont believe me.... go read about the benchmark. Xgary you should really try rooting your tfp and flash the rom to virtuous prime . I just did it yesterday and can honestly say what a big improvementt with the browsing experience and swiping between pages. The webpages are opening up much faster, more responsive, and feels a lot smoother. I played with tfp tablet for a total of 7 hours today to make sure i wasnt dreaming. Xda developers did an awesome job and they werent lieing when they said the rom will maker your tablet run faster and smoother.
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Lol benchmarks again. I always looked at benchmarks too. Then I played with an iPad and switched over right away. You know, the reviewers don't all praise the iPad because theyre fanboys, it actually is the leader. Besides, I doubt the custom rom runs as fast as my iPad but let's say it does. Why do I have to void my warranty and then have to flash a rom to get a smooth device?
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Coming from someone with 80 posts. Are you paid by ASUS to defend their product? I'm sure they invested all this time into me posing as a fake xda member and posting for years and on the TFP forums way before it was even out so that one day I could bash the product. Yep, Apple is genius. They also pay every single reviewer, iPad user in the world. That is why they praise the product, not because it is good.
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Actually I didn't want to waste any time on answering, since I wasted enough reading the post already...
But in relation to the Smoothness this sounds interesting:
http://gizmodo.com/5893970/ipad-test-notes-speed-versus-tegra-3
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And I care about benchmarks because? I wish I had my TFP with me so I could show you how I get little lags here and there and how reading my 1000 page PDF textbooks lag everytime I scroll to the next page even tho I tried adobepdf, ezpdf, and repligo.
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If anyone hasn't heard, apparently the iPad 3 may have some serious overheating issues. It's on many sites this morning, and the Apple Forums are full of complaints.
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I don't think they are as "full" of complaints as the TFP did with Bluetooth, wifi, gps, screen problems, etc. The iPad has a huge userbase so it is expected to see complaints. But guess what? Got a problem with your iPad? Go to an apple store and they will give you a new one. What about TFP? RMA and wait a few weeks.
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I don't think they are as "full" of complaints as the TFP did with Bluetooth, wifi, gps, screen problems, etc. The iPad has a huge userbase so it is expected to see complaints. But guess what? Got a problem with your iPad? Go to an apple store and they will give you a new one. What about TFP? RMA and get an email saying it was damaged by the user and you can pay $150 if you want it back damaged.
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You might want to do a bit more reading into the MikaMobile situation.
It's not they aren't making money on Google market/play, nor is it porting or various hardware problem in later interview with the dev.
http://androidandme.com/2012/03/app...figures-in-their-first-six-months-on-android/
And there are successful game dev that focus solely on Android platform.
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Yea name me some. i have all of the Gameloft games, Infinity blade (how is your bladeslinger or whatever, newest Angry bird, fruit ninja, temple run, a ton of ea games. Name me some good games on android that I can get on iOS.
Hey Guys, just came across this article and thought it was a good read. Do you think Android will partner with Asus to make their own brand of tablets...will it be better for us as Android buyers in the future if Android had more control by being the hardware as well as software maker. or do you feel like this is turning them into Apple-lite
http://www.androidauthority.com/will-google-abandon-android-71483/
Seems like Android Authority is a bit desperate for clicks. That is all I got from it.
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Seems like Android Authority is a bit desperate for clicks. That is all I got from it.
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yeah basically..lol.
they taking the whole Asus Manufacturing Google Nexus tablet and spinning it into some crazy apocalyptic Android dying story. Android will be fine. Android growth has really actually just begun. we haven't seen nothing yet. Google needs a nexus tablet to instill confidence and optimism in Androids future. It can almost be guareenteed to attract more developers to android ecosystem. If android was dying, I'd seriously doubt they'd be making a tablet with Asus, restructured Google Play Store, and Making Google store purchases possible to be made online by anyone. All these recent moves Google has made is pointing to something big coming up.
Android for LIFE!
All of my current and future devices will continue to be android.
It is just way too much fun, IOS sucks.
If android goes away, I will go back to laptops.
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I dont even want to read that article Android brings profit and is a huge thing worldwide. Why would you abandon something like this? Of course its not Google's biggest income generator but it has so much potential and it serves as competition to Apple.
Google deciding to do some hardware manufacturing? I really like that. They probably learn from it and be able to improve the software/hardware.
There is one thing though they could do to android imho. I like some of the 3rd party GUI's that come with android devices. For example HTC Sense. They add alot of nice widgets and great looking uniform base apps.
BUT. At the price of getting important updates like ICS half a year later? No... No.
For me there are 2 ways those companies could handle the situation. Make custom UI's optional. Let people use vanilla Android if they want fast upgrades and let them switch to custom UI's once their done. Or just open all the bootloaders and release all kernel source and stuff to XDA so people can make their own roms and updates (which usually are better anyway...).
Apart from that Android is just totally great.
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For me there are 2 ways those companies could handle the situation. Make custom UI's optional. Let people use vanilla Android if they want fast upgrades and let them switch to custom UI's once their done. Or just open all the bootloaders and release all kernel source and stuff to XDA so people can make their own roms and updates (which usually are better anyway...).
Apart from that Android is just totally great.
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Actually Google is already consdidering this. read several articles on it. it's a great idea bit one catch, Phone carriers would hate it. those companies add those GUI to devices to differentiate themselves from other similar devices. I'd rather have vanilla android experience and not have bloat ui on top of it. A GUI on top of vanilla android will never be faster out the box than a plain vanilla experience. one suggestion was to make the various companies GUI removable if the user chooses. they could use that companies GUI or go vanilla route or use one of the many launchers available on android. Usually a company GUI will be more integrated and stable than one from marketplace.
Yeah i've read about that too. i dont think custom UIs need to go away. Sometimes they're great. And with tegra3 phones coming out i guess the performance wont be such an issue anymore.
But i'd love to see some change in that situation. I think updates shouldnt be delayed more than 1 month. Not like half a year.
The article is the usual blog filler; title is admittedly clickbait. Then again, most news & blog sites have SEO'ed titles to varying degree. Yellow journalism used to be on the fringe. Now, it's the way to get clicks. That's the cost of "free" content.
Idle gossip aside, Google's strategy for tablet adoption has not worked. It will need to do something, and soon. We should know by Google I/O in June, if not earlier.
IMO, the rumors presently circulating--direct-sale of cheapo tablet & online store--aren't enough. The problems are more fundamental, and are myriad. To me, what's discouraging aren't the obstacles, but that I haven't seen any signal from Google leadership that they recognize the scope of the obstacles.
At any rate, Android won't suffer the fate of WebOS. It's entrenched on phones, and its open-source distribution will allow it to live on as a "hobbyist" OS, if nothing else.
Things move pretty fast in this mobile market, so we won't have long to wait, one way or the other.
Trolling done wrong.
A terrible excuse for either op-ed or journalism. sigh.
Seems this kid who wrote the article didn't get the point of android....
It amplifies all the Google services. It gives Google a extremely huge platform to present their products... it generates Google accounts which can be used for the almost infinite range of Google products. It helps to spread G+ and not to mention Google ad-words..
There is no essential need for a strong Google Phone brand... When you use it the normal way you pretty soon notice that Android is a Google product... you are asked to create a Google account, you have a ton of Google services pre-installed etc. .
Android could be a losing deal and it would still be worth the effort. Just because it spreads Google stuff. The power you have when 50% of the smart-phones world wide run with your is is enormous... Google does not have to worry too much about branding as long as the providers don't remove the Google-Products from it...
I see it like a commenter in the article, Google Tablet to fight the Kindle Fire... because it breaks the Google-branding... not so funny for Google...
>[Android] amplifies all the Google services. It gives Google a extremely huge platform to present their products...There is no essential need for a strong Google Phone brand...Android could be a losing deal and it would still be worth the effort.
These are all true. But IMO it misses the forest for the trees, the forest in this case being the next computing form factor, ie the tablet being a successor rather than adjunct of laptops. That should be the goal, not just an extension to sell more wares.
To be the next "computer," the OS has to do more, akin to the range of functions on desktop OS'es. Android, like iOS, lacks basic underpinnings--things like built-in networking, printing, support for peripheral devices, apps interoperability, etc etc.
The shortcoming doesn't affect Apple, because iOS has achieved critical mass on phones and tablets. Its success engenders 3rd-party support to address any deficit faced.
The other aspect not oft mentioned is that a bona fide OS needs support. One takeaway from a quick scan through these and other (official) Android forums is that OS support is grossly inadequate. As much complaints as there are in this forum, Asus is actually one of the better vendors for support. Users of Acer, Toshiba, and others, have given up on support. And these are enthusiasts. Think of how worse it would be for normal users.
The writing is on the wall: HW vendors don't have the expertise to support the OS. Google needs to do it. But with its current distribution philosophy, ie making AOSP code public and let HW vendors do what they will, Google can't do that. For it to support its OS, Google will need to follow the Microsoft path.
Getting its hands dirty with its own hardware may be a start, assuming Google better supports its product. But customer support has never been in Google's DNA, so I have my doubt that things would improve soon.
Google bought Motorolla, why would they need to partner with ASUS?
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>Google bought Motorolla, why would they need to partner with ASUS?
Because Asus can make cheap tablets, eg the rumored $199 tab, and Moto can't. Secondly, because Google still needs to maintain some degree of impartiality. With declining vendor support (on tablets), it can ill afford to piss off the few remaining.
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>Google bought Motorolla, why would they need to partner with ASUS?
Because Asus can make cheap tablets, eg the rumored $199 tab, and Moto can't. Secondly, because Google still needs to maintain some degree of impartiality. With declining vendor support (on tablets), it can ill afford to piss off the few remaining.
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Agreed, the Motorola Xoom, great as it was(I owned one), was simply overpriced.
I do believe that in order to be widely accepted as being better than Apple, Google needs to seriously focus on getting better developer support. You can release the best tablet in the world, but if you do not have developer support, people will continue to flock to IOS. Lower the price of tablets while maintaining good quality standards, and gain developer support=win for Android
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>[Android] amplifies all the Google services. It gives Google a extremely huge platform to present their products...There is no essential need for a strong Google Phone brand...Android could be a losing deal and it would still be worth the effort.
These are all true. But IMO it misses the forest for the trees, the forest in this case being the next computing form factor, ie the tablet being a successor rather than adjunct of laptops. That should be the goal, not just an extension to sell more wares.
To be the next "computer," the OS has to do more, akin to the range of functions on desktop OS'es. Android, like iOS, lacks basic underpinnings--things like built-in networking, printing, support for peripheral devices, apps interoperability, etc etc.
The shortcoming doesn't affect Apple, because iOS has achieved critical mass on phones and tablets. Its success engenders 3rd-party support to address any deficit faced.
The other aspect not oft mentioned is that a bona fide OS needs support. One takeaway from a quick scan through these and other (official) Android forums is that OS support is grossly inadequate. As much complaints as there are in this forum, Asus is actually one of the better vendors for support. Users of Acer, Toshiba, and others, have given up on support. And these are enthusiasts. Think of how worse it would be for normal users.
The writing is on the wall: HW vendors don't have the expertise to support the OS. Google needs to do it. But with its current distribution philosophy, ie making AOSP code public and let HW vendors do what they will, Google can't do that. For it to support its OS, Google will need to follow the Microsoft path.
Getting its hands dirty with its own hardware may be a start, assuming Google better supports its product. But customer support has never been in Google's DNA, so I have my doubt that things would improve soon.
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You make some interesting points, but I disagree that iOS is anywhere near being accepted as a PC replacement. In many important ways, Android is much farther along in this respect--access to the file system alone is one area. And, I think the idea that tablets will replace PCs is way overblown--having tried to use mine (even with the keyboard dock) as a replacement for my Windows notebook, I can testify that although some things are more convenient with tablets (like ebook reading, casual surfing, etc.), NOTHING is as efficient as with a "real" PC.
I could never do my job on any existing tablet, whether it's iOS or Android. I work with complex documents, use Photoshop for more than changing color tones, do some light video editing, etc. None of those are efficient (or even possible) on a tablet. Even the simple things like browsing, Twitter, etc., etc., are more efficient on a notebook or desktop. Again, a tablet is convenient--lightweight, long battery life, etc.--so it has its place alongside a real PC. But thinking it can replace a PC for most people is, I think, entirely unrealistic at this point.
Maybe that'll change in a few years, although I doubt even that. Seriously, who can imagine working EXCLUSIVELY on a 10" screen? And if a tablet becomes something that you plug into external monitors and keyboards and such, well then, ASUS is already mostly there with the Transformer series. And at that point what we'll have is just a more portable PC with external accessories. Once a tablet becomes complex enough in terms of network support, printing, peripheral devices like scanners, etc., then is it really a "tablet" any longer?
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demandarin said:
Actually Google is already consdidering this. read several articles on it. it's a great idea bit one catch, Phone carriers would hate it. those companies add those GUI to devices to differentiate themselves from other similar devices. I'd rather have vanilla android experience and not have bloat ui on top of it. A GUI on top of vanilla android will never be faster out the box than a plain vanilla experience. one suggestion was to make the various companies GUI removable if the user chooses. they could use that companies GUI or go vanilla route or use one of the many launchers available on android. Usually a company GUI will be more integrated and stable than one from marketplace.
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I was hearing at one point that Google was looking to simplify the custom GUI creation (just a custom GUI xml that the manufacturer can push that the vanilla OS will honor) so that even if there are large changes underneath by Google, there is no change needed by the manufacturer prior to release (assuming the manufacturer is only making GUI changes and not anything deeper).
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I was hearing at one point that Google was looking to simplify the custom GUI creation (just a custom GUI xml that the manufacturer can push that the vanilla OS will honor) so that even if there are large changes underneath by Google, there is no change needed by the manufacturer prior to release (assuming the manufacturer is only making GUI changes and not anything deeper).
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that was what it was involving. thanks for pointing out those details.
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Dear Everyone,
I've just wondered that why people are getting an iPhone, when there is the best of all Android? For example, I've adviced someone to get themselves a Samsung Galaxy S2. But ended up getting an iPhone 4S! I know that Android is way better than iOS, because of;
Here are some reasons;
1) I have a Sony Ericsson Xperia X8 and an Apple iPhone 3G S
2) My cousin said that the iPhone is a disease (he has a Samsung Galaxy S2 and an iPhone 3G (not the 3G S))
3) T3 Awarded Phones (from 2009) are all Android.
P.S: you can share your opinions and ideas and etc.
If someone buys an iPhone, it doesn't necessarily mean that they hate Android. Maybe they just prefer the looks of the iPhone.
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If someone buys an iPhone, it doesn't necessarily mean that they hate Android. Maybe they just prefer the looks of the iPhone.
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The Question is now changed, because of I have asked in a wrong way, sorry.
The only thing because i like ios is that there are a lot more social media apps and the interfaces of the apps are better.
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Several People buy an iPhone because
-It has that User Friendly UI (User friendliness make me angry LoL)
-Apple got known first in the smart phone industry. Android was second (I think?)
-Some People like the iPhone's look )
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It's the same thing as asking why people prefer apple computers over pc. People are different, what suits for other is not necessary good for everyone.
I think the whole industry needs competition so that we, as consumers, can always get better and better products. That's why it's good thing to see people buying both android and iOS phones.
I think not everybody wants a phone, which is compicated, because you can change everything.
Many people choose a phone, because of the looks and the fact, that there is only one way, to do a specific task (it doesn't even have to be the best way - but one way)
And the iphone has great hardware.
I personally wanted a phone, where I am in control, so I chose Android
mikpel said:
It's the same thing as asking why people prefer apple computers over pc. People are different, what suits for other is not necessary good for everyone.
I think the whole industry needs competition so that we, as consumers, can always get better and better products. That's why it's good thing to see people buying both android and iOS phones.
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The funny thing is, in the late 80s and 90s and even into the 2000s Apple advertised themselves as the alternative to the mainstream boring beige cased PC. Nowadays the iPhone is likely the most recognizable smartphone and about as mainstream as you get. The vast selection of Android phones is the alternative.
Android needs Apple and Apple needs Android, competition provides a better and less expensive product for the consumer. Now if only Apple would play along instead of suing everyone that poses a threat.
Hello, i have used both, and i bear no grudge to either Android or Apple. I generally laugh everytime i read forums sections on articles regarding phone-tests on Android or iPhone. The flaming that Fanbois and Android lovers give eachother.. LOL they have no clue.
iPhone and Android both have their pro and cons. Neither is perfect.
Why i pick Android:
- OPEN SOURCE
- The fun of flashing Roms.
- Good selection of ROMS and phones.
- Utilities on Market are better than Appstore on Apple
Why i wouldn´t choose Android:
- Performance issues and bugs.
- Touch screen is not the best.
- Malware in market apps.
- Some apps sucks on Android that is way better on IOS
- Typing is not the best. Inaccurate at times.
- Flimsy build on many models.
Why i would choose iPhone:
- Lovely and solid built. The glass material on iPhone pisses over Corning Gorilla Glass in my opinion.
- IOS is very flawless in action. little bugs and demands less CPU to run.
- Great selection of games, iPhone runs them better than Android.
- Jailbreaking (opens up a better world on a otherwise very boring OS)
- Simplicity in use.
- Typing on iPhone is much more accurate on IOS than Android, that is because screen on iPhone is closer to your thumb than most Androids.
- Drag & Drop to phone
- Many smarter and well thought features in IOS.
Why i won´t choose iPhone / IOS:
- The build is just solid.
- Closed source (hooray Jailbreaking)
- Very very dull phone when not Jailbroken
- Utilities apps kinda sucks
- Outdated size, 3.5" screen is way to small today (bring on iPhone 5)
- iTunes and Syncing pretty much sucks.
- Everybody owns an iPhone..
First of all, I believe people choose the iphone over android because of brand name. More people are more familiar with Apple's iphone brand than Google's Android devices. Because of that, they choose to go with the brand they're most familiar with. Sort of like those preppy people whp always wear clothes from differing brands like Hollister, Aeropostle, American Eagle, etc.
Second is because Apple supports their older devices more frequently than Google and the other device manufacturers.
Third is because many people are technologically challenged and don't know what to do on their phone. For that, Apple's iphone definitely takes the cake in ease of use. Plus little kids can learn how to use the iphone quickly compared to using an android.
Fourth is apps because Apple has a LOT of apps (more than Android).
Fifth is probably due to looks because the iphone looks premium and most android devices usually don't look premium despite the price.
Finally, to end this IMO explanation, Apple generally has a fluid UI, which rarely lags and even games feel EXTREMELY fluid (in my experience with a friend's iphone). Android may be getting better, but it still lags behind a little more noticeably.
That's pretty much how I would see why people go for the iphone over Android.
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Iphone is a popular trend..
And the mass majority of people don't enjoy tinkering with things to make them perfect. They want something easy to use and won't stop being supported by apple. Apple's entire concept is easy to use if the consumer is willing to give up control.
There are so many different versions of android and the main android will be old in two months. It is impossible to have the latest thing in the Android Market.
I am using a two years old Samsung but it runs like a champ on the rom and kernel. Stock would have killed me by now how slow it is. Not everyone wants to spend the time figuring things out.
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In my experience with numerous tablets, and phones, my iPhone JUST WORKS. I like the itunes syncing concept, and the phone can always be relied on. My androids though....poor battery life with custom ROM's and kernels. Sometimes there isn't a root. (like the vizio vtab1008). With iPhone, you know that there are millions like you, and who are being taken care of by the few and the proud devs that always bring on the jailbreaks. Sure, android gives me so much more power. Like a strong russian woman! A very smart russian woman...and iPhone is like the all american babe. She looks good, but isn't as strong. When it comes to apps, iPhone has it DOWN. If you want a long lasting phone with amzing build quality, that JUST WORKS, and nothing more, then get an iPhone. If you want more power, and customization, then GO ANDROID!!!!!
I prefer android tweaks/mods/roms way more than IOS tweaks. Let me say this....the day that iPhone get sd card and an onboard recovery image, with open source IOS....then good bye Android lol.
Personally, I enjoy Android much more. +1 for android.
I've seen people who believe ios is the best, and the rest is nothing, and I was like, what?
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Sindroid said:
Why i won´t choose iPhone / IOS:
- The build is just solid.
- Closed source (hooray Jailbreaking)
- Very very dull phone when not Jailbroken
- Utilities apps kinda sucks
- Outdated size, 3.5" screen is way to small today (bring on iPhone 5)
- iTunes and Syncing pretty much sucks.
- Everybody owns an iPhone..
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You can also add that iPhone is easily smashable.
Check this link: iPhone 4S vs. Samsung Galaxy S2 Drop Test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKxgsrJFhw
This is like asking why do vegetarians eat veggies when there is good meat????
Dumb question
and clutters thread..
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jayRokk said:
This is like asking why do vegetarians eat veggies when there is good meat????
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That does pretty much sum this thread up.
It's had a few days to gain some opinions, and now it's time to end it.
Thread closed.