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If you were to use HTCs method to unlock your bootloader, they now have your serial number or other unique identifier for your phone. If you are paying for insurance, Sprint does the warranty work for free, like if the screen suddenly stopped working due to some other reason than mishandling. So, whether you can or can't lock your bootloader back down, HTC has your serial number as one that has been unlocked.
The question is, are they sharing it with Sprint, and will Sprint then not fix your phone like they would have had you not unlocked it at all?
Makes me so thankful I don't have to rely on HTC for unlocking!
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If you were to use HTCs method to unlock your bootloader, they now have your serial number or other unique identifier for your phone. If you are paying for insurance, Sprint does the warranty work for free, like if the screen suddenly stopped working due to some other reason than mishandling. So, whether you can or can't lock your bootloader back down, HTC has your serial number as one that has been unlocked.
The question is, are they sharing it with Sprint, and will Sprint then not fix your phone like they would have had you not unlocked it at all?
Makes me so thankful I don't have to rely on HTC for unlocking!
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I don't believe anybody has the answer to this question. We have to wait and see.
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If you were to use HTCs method to unlock your bootloader, they now have your serial number or other unique identifier for your phone. If you are paying for insurance, Sprint does the warranty work for free, like if the screen suddenly stopped working due to some other reason than mishandling. So, whether you can or can't lock your bootloader back down, HTC has your serial number as one that has been unlocked.
The question is, are they sharing it with Sprint, and will Sprint then not fix your phone like they would have had you not unlocked it at all?
Makes me so thankful I don't have to rely on HTC for unlocking!
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What I don't understand is why would any of us care??? Since we have our own method of getting S-OFF, why would we even consider doing what HTC wants. There is nothing, NOTHING, that HTC will offer with their bootloader unlocking that is positive to the modidng community.
At this point, I wouldn't worry about it since the tool isn't out yet, and we have a way of reverting back to S-ON and RUU'ing to a stock phone.
Some brave soul will take the bait later down the road and will be a guinea pig for us to see what will happen once they surrender their info to HTC.
I don't plan to use their F-OFF tool unless my phone magically takes an OTA or I get a replacement and cant F it OFF myself.
Why would it matter for insurance. Insurance is insurance not warranty service. I can take my phone and throw it on the ground as hard as I can and call Assurion and they will replace it whether its rooted or not. I'll have to pay the $100 deductible but it won't matter if I'm rooted or not.
Now if your going to make a warranty claim and HTC has your SN and has marked it in the system as not being authorized for warranty work then yes your screwed.
I used revolutionary S-off and then flashed the Eng hboot. I won't be using htc's OTA.
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Why would it matter for insurance. Insurance is insurance not warranty service. I can take my phone and throw it on the ground as hard as I can and call Assurion and they will replace it whether its rooted or not. I'll have to pay the $100 deductible but it won't matter if I'm rooted or not.
Now if your going to make a warranty claim and HTC has your SN and has marked it in the system as not being authorized for warranty work then yes your screwed.
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Because Sprint Total Equipment Protection(TEP) insurance is comprised of the Equipment Service & Repair Program(ESRP) and the Equipment Replacement Program(ERP). ESRP covers warranty issues during and after the manufacturers warranty and ERP covers accidental damage(water, theft, and total destruction). I wouldn't want to be paying $8 per month and find out that the ESRP portion is worthless.
Hmm anyone worried we had to give our serial number in order to use the Revolutionary tool, kind of like what HTC wants us to do, hmmm (being paranoid).......
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I have a crazy idea here. Why not call Sprint and ask? Just say "Hey, I'm thinking of unlocking my bootloader which will void my HTC warranty and I am wondering if I am still covered under your insurance?"
I mean...its just a thought... But it might be better to take the advice of random strangers who may or may not know the real answer.
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I have a crazy idea here. Why not call Sprint and ask? Just say "Hey, I'm thinking of unlocking my bootloader which will void my HTC warranty and I am wondering if I am still covered under your insurance?"
I mean...its just a thought... But it might be better to take the advice of random strangers who may or may not know the real answer.
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In theory you are right. But in practice you will get a different answer from every rep you speak with.
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In theory you are right. But in practice you will get a different answer from every rep you speak with.
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Document document document...write down the time, date, rep name, etc. Or if they say no it is not covered, have them tell you where it states that in the agreement so you can read it yourself.
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Document document document...write down the time, date, rep name, etc. Or if they say no it is not covered, have them tell you where it states that in the agreement so you can read it yourself.
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That and a nickel will get you...well, a nickel. Sprint reps give different answers on existing policy, much less one that probably doesn't exist yet. Someone might have better luck emailing every Sprint Exec they can find, including Dan himself, to get a semi-straight answer. At this point their answer will probably go something like, "We are working on this policy and details will be forthcoming". I was just throwing a scenario out there on one possible way Sprint could screw us over. It's speculative, I know, but entirely possible with Sprint. I don't plan to register with HTC/Sprint, so it was more of a warning to others.
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That and a nickel will get you...well, a nickel. Sprint reps give different answers on existing policy, much less one that probably doesn't exist yet. Someone might have better luck emailing every Sprint Exec they can find, including Dan himself, to get a semi-straight answer. At this point their answer will probably go something like, "We are working on this policy and details will be forthcoming". I was just throwing a scenario out there on one possible way Sprint could screw us over. It's speculative, I know, but entirely possible with Sprint. I don't plan to register with HTC/Sprint, so it was more of a warning to others.
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Well, if that is the view, then even getting an "experienced" response on here would be just as worthless. I think you would do much better to document your call, question and response as I suggest rather than waiting until after the fact and saying "But GooseEye on the XDA forums said that HIS phone was covered after unlocking the bootloader." I'm pretty sure that little piece of information would make the Sprint rep laugh before saying no.
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Well, if that is the view, then even getting an "experienced" response on here would be just as worthless. I think you would do much better to document your call, question and response as I suggest rather than waiting until after the fact and saying "But GooseEye on the XDA forums said that HIS phone was covered after unlocking the bootloader." I'm pretty sure that little piece of information would make the Sprint rep laugh before saying no.
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I think you're applying my response too broadly.
In this specific situation with regard to warranty coverage through paid Sprint insurance, documenting a rep's response about whether warranty work will or won't be covered on a HTC unlocked bootloader phone, without existing policy in place, will mean nothing. A honest rep should say there's no policy in place yet to answer that question, in which case documentation is moot. A dishonest or misinformed rep could give you wrong info, and while documented by you, will really get you nowhere. Time will pass, account notes will expire, apologies will be issued, but the promise won't be honored. If you put up a good fight, they might end up honoring it, for that one time only.
On a broader scale, and with existing policy, it's always a good idea to document. I do it myself and it's paid off numerous times. But I've always used the "experienced" responses from this and other forums to know what the existing policy is, what to ask for, and whether the rep's response holds any weight or whether they're just blowing smoke. Not all reps interpret all policy correctly, store reps being notoriously bad, so it helps to know whether they're giving you empty promises.
I assume you're just hypothetically using my name in your insurance coverage example but I have to say that I never stated anywhere in my posts that Sprint insurance warranty coverage w/unlocked bootloader will in fact work a certain way. In fact, I was cautioning that there could be other, as yet unverified ramifications, other than the HTC warranty. A pessimistic view for sure, but one that doesn't tend to leave people with false hope.
Hi, my screen is unresponsive in about a centimeter thick line going vertical on the left side of my screen. I've downloaded an app called "Touch Test" and it just shows that whole area not able to be recognized when touched and it skips to the left or right. I've tried the "PDS fix" and no luck there.
I've been running CM7 for a while now and this is the first time this is happening today. I haven't installed any applications at all today either.
So I have two questions:
1) Does anyone know of a fix for this instead of getting a new device?
2) If I have to get a new screen or device, is there a way to "relock" or hide evidence of me unlocking the bootloader?
You're screen is toast. No way around it. You can send it into moto and it should be under warranty, if you are the original purchaser and can prove it with receipts blahblahblah.
It has nothing to do with unlocking it. The digitizer died. It's like taking your car to the dealer and them saying your transmission went out because of an intake modification. There are laws in place for this type.of thing, not sure it applies to phones or.electronics but with proper legal counsel you can show cases for cars that apply to this situation...but I digress
If you read the disclaimer closely of the unlock it says "may void warranty", which means if they can prove the unlocking the phone caused the fault it's voided. Ie before sending back to moto RSD to factory or fruitcake it. This way they have no way to blame a software mod that caused the issue. On the flip side, you're dealing with big corp, so it could get hairy if they try to charge you and you refuse to pay. You could always try to fight it and request proof of why it caused the hardware failure via software. In the end, it's cheaper to pay the $125 out of warranty claim with moto then to get a lawyer. blah blah im playing both sides, but the only way to find out is to send it off to moto.
Also if you have att insurance this ois 100% covered even unlocked, I know from personal experience. The only thing that sucks there is dealing with the att cs reps for 2 hours. Again, flash back to stock and don't mention the unlocking. If you know how to deal with tech support properly this will be a simple task to get an expedited warranty claim.
Also, if you search the forums for it, this has been over and over a hundred times incase you feel I am misinforming you.
Good luck dude!
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Look for and try the pds. Fix
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Im guessing u skimmed the OP, derp
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You're screen is toast. No way around it. You can send it into moto and it should be under warranty, if you are the original purchaser and can prove it with receipts blahblahblah.
It has nothing to do with unlocking it. The digitizer died. It's like taking your car to the dealer and them saying your transmission went out because of an intake modification. There are laws in place for this type.of thing, not sure it applies to phones or.electronics but with proper legal counsel you can show cases for cars that apply to this situation...but I digress
If you read the disclaimer closely of the unlock it says "may void warranty", which means if they can prove the unlocking the phone caused the fault it's voided. Ie before sending back to moto RSD to factory or fruitcake it. This way they have no way to blame a software mod that caused the issue. On the flip side, you're dealing with big corp, so it could get hairy if they try to charge you and you refuse to pay. You could always try to fight it and request proof of why it caused the hardware failure via software. In the end, it's cheaper to pay the $125 out of warranty claim with moto then to get a lawyer. blah blah im playing both sides, but the only way to find out is to send it off to moto.
Also if you have att insurance this ois 100% covered even unlocked, I know from personal experience. The only thing that sucks there is dealing with the att cs reps for 2 hours. Again, flash back to stock and don't mention the unlocking. If you know how to deal with tech support properly this will be a simple task to get an expedited warranty claim.
Also, if you search the forums for it, this has been over and over a hundred times incase you feel I am misinforming you.
Good luck dude!
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Bummer, but thank you for your response.
Another quick question, It's not a huge issue to me right now, I feel like I can live with it for another month maybe. I bought my phone in April I think, is it still possible to buy insurance on it this late? Like if I got the insurance, then waited another month after getting the insurance, tell them theres something messed up so they don't think that I was just trying to get a cheap fix. (which I am haha)
Because I'm thinking if I got the insurance (which I wanted to get initially but for whatever reason I didn't), it would be cheaper to give to AT&T rather than motorola.
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Im guessing u skimmed the OP, derp
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You are correct......damn kid making me split my time lol..
Sorry op.
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Same here, New interests in the mail.. Voice control Sucks... derp ..
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You are correct......damn kid making me split my time lol..
Sorry op.
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I definitely feel ya there. I was making dinner for the kiddo when I was responding. Took me twice as long as it should have
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Bummer, but thank you for your response.
Another quick question, It's not a huge issue to me right now, I feel like I can live with it for another month maybe. I bought my phone in April I think, is it still possible to buy insurance on it this late? Like if I got the insurance, then waited another month after getting the insurance, tell them theres something messed up so they don't think that I was just trying to get a cheap fix. (which I am haha)
Because I'm thinking if I got the insurance (which I wanted to get initially but for whatever reason I didn't), it would be cheaper to give to AT&T rather than motorola.
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I am not sure you can put insurance on a device that is over the 30 day limit. However it may be 60, eitherway you are screwed. It wouldnt hurt to call them and ask though. The insurance is like 5 or 7 bucks a month and in this case we didnt have to pay anythign out of pocket. Also, you may try a 3rd party insurance company like square trade, but that may or may not work.
When my g/f's did it, we just called AT&T and after troubleshooting, wiping, troubleshooting some more, wiping again, they gave up and sent us a phone next day'd.
The funny thing was explaining to the CS Rep how we can't login to motoblur since the keyboard's A/S/W/Q/E/1/2 keys didnt really work, and of course my g/f's email is her name [email protected]. At that point she flipped out on the AT&T person for taking us from a semi working phone, at least could answer calls and such to a total biffed phone stuck at the motoblur login. Another crappy thing about the whole ordeal, she started the conversation on a tuesday night at 1730 with CS Rep, that one lasted til 1830. At 1830, the CS Rep wanted to elevate to tier 2 "android specialist" (i laugh everytime I hear that), which was "busy" and didnt call back until 2200. That conversation lasted until 2230, when he finally gave up.
At the end of the whole thing, the phone was overnighted AND we got a $60 credit on our account for them totally biffin it up. Thanks tier 2 support! lulz.
In that case I might actually try to go that route haha. If not, I might as well pay to get it fixed if that's all I can do. I love my atrix and don't want to move on just yet.
If anyone out there in XDA-land has actually warrantied an unlocked or re-locked phone (in store and/or via the 1-800 number), could you please chime in and post your experience (whether you did store or 800 and what happened).
I realize that it may still be too early to ask this question, because the true kicker is whether someone down the supply chain (in store, then in Verizon, then in HTC) noticed and charged back to your account; as there may not have been enough time for bills to generate after such a chain, but I would love to hear of actual experiences.
If possible, there is no need to report back on Amazon or Best Buy or Guy-On-The-Corner They have different policies. This is a Verizon Corporate inquiry. If anyone sent it back to Verizon, did Verizon ultimately charge you for a new Rezound. Thanks
(I realize there is another thread debating whether or not HTC shares with Verizon, and whether Verizon employees are trained to check. This is not that hypothetical inquiry; I am hoping that only people who ACTUALLY did the swap report in).
Thanks!
This is interesting to me. I'm stuck wanting the "normal", for lack of better words, root and s-off method from the community. I knew that the employees don't care about root as long as they can set it back to stock. That's what I heard from my friend that worked there. I don't know about the HTC unlock though.
I did it with my first rezound. (i baught them at bestbuy for their replacement plan) no questions asked. GIVE ME NEW PHONE, they gave, I was happy.
not that this helps right now, but i should be able to give you an idea in a few days. bought my rezound on the 9th and unlocked and flashed that night, data started not connecting at all on the 13th. called vzw tech support on the 17th telling them what was going on, no mention of whether it was unlocked from either side, got my warranty replacement today. gonna send back the old phone tomorrow.
I had the 'can't charge dead batteries issue' the other night. Went to store and replaced with new battery. No problems.
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not that this helps right now, but i should be able to give you an idea in a few days. bought my rezound on the 9th and unlocked and flashed that night, data started not connecting at all on the 13th. called vzw tech support on the 17th telling them what was going on, no mention of whether it was unlocked from either side, got my warranty replacement today. gonna send back the old phone tomorrow.
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Well - You did come closest to answering out of all the other responses PLEASE let us know if you ever get billed for it (which can take months).
When I turned my Charge in to Best Buy for the upgrade plan, the dude actually SHOWED OFF to the other folks how modded that thing was, he was in awe. As much flashing I did on that thing, it should have melted. They don't care, or are not paid enough TO care. Never had a problem at the VZW store either, but those guys are usually idiots anyways.
Local best buy for me looked for a superuser app, didn't see it, then exchanged the phone. Had they looked at the bootloader they would have seen the relocked. Bunch of idiots...lol.
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Local best buy for me looked for a superuser app, didn't see it, then exchanged the phone. Had they looked at the bootloader they would have seen the relocked. Bunch of idiots...lol.
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While Best Buy is not relevant (they probably have their own policies), that is kind of disturbing. It means they are looking.
Anyone actually do this with *VERIZON*, would love to hear if they ultimately charge you.
I know this is not exactly the same, but I exchanged my old Samsung Fascinate for a Droid Charge under warranty through Verizon. I restored the Fascinate but forgot to restore the kernel. It showed some hacked version under the system settings and was really obvious.
I sent it back and never heard anything about it...
i'm curious, if they do charge wouldn't that mean they should send me the phone that was broken back since in theory i would have purchased the second phone at full price?
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i'm curious, if they do charge wouldn't that mean they should send me the phone that was broken back since in theory i would have purchased the second phone at full price?
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No you're paying for the replacement. It sucks.
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No you're paying for the replacement. It sucks.
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so basically i could end up paying $850, $650 for the replacement plus the $200* i spent on the one that broke and be stuck under a two year contract?
oi vei
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YES! That is why I was hoping to hear of people's actual responses with Verizon. Not having much luck with the "actual" or "verizon" part of the inquiry, but it is probably still too early to really know. The phone hasn't been unlocked long enough for people to unlock, decide they need to warranty replace, exchange it with VERIZON, and then get another bill cycle or 2 or 3 to see if they were charged.
... but I keep hoping to hear from anyone who actually warrantied an unlocked phone back to a Verizon corporate store or Verizon 800. As time goes by, maybe we will learn
doh! not exactly what i wanted to hear to start my friday morning.
i will keep y'all updated if i do or do not get charged
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treadwayj said:
doh! not exactly what i wanted to hear to start my friday morning.
i will keep y'all updated if i do or do not get charged
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Please do. I suspect it will take months (has to get from Verizon store to headquarters as part of however often they ship, then Verizon has to batch all their warranty replacements back to HTC {if that's how they do it} however often they ship, then HTC has to notice {if they ever do} and push back {if they ever do}, and the Verizon has take the pushback and bill). I suspect that this can take months, at which point the question will be moot (because it will be as it will be), but it was a pipe dream of mine to see what actually happens, given the amount of guessing going on.
Good luck!
I don't see from a legal standpoint how they can do anything...soon as the phone is in their possession they are taking responsibility for it no? Therefore if it is not covered by HTC for some reason, it would be there fault.
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I don't see from a legal standpoint how they can do anything...soon as the phone is in their possession they are taking responsibility for it no? Therefore if it is not covered by HTC for some reason, it would be there fault.
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There was a ridiculous number of acknowledgment clicks re voided warranty through the unlock process. I would consider this situation exactly like if you brought a phone to Verizon saying it won't work, and the somewhere down the line someone finds the water sensor tripped. The dude behind the counter at Verizon is not going to know at the time, but as the phone winds its way through the warranty replacement chain, someone will figure it out; and they probably will charge you for your replacement.
No one would be screaming 'illegal' in that case; and I believe the cases are identical.
Please note - I hope this is not the case; I have not unlocked my phone (despite desperately wanting to run Nils' ROM) because I dont have $650 to start again. BUT, I can easily see the parallel here.
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There was a ridiculous number of acknowledgment clicks re voided warranty through the unlock process. I would consider this situation exactly like if you brought a phone to Verizon saying it won't work, and the somewhere down the line someone finds the water sensor tripped. The dude behind the counter at Verizon is not going to know at the time, but as the phone winds its way through the warranty replacement chain, someone will figure it out; and they probably will charge you for your replacement.
No one would be screaming 'illegal' in that case; and I believe the cases are identical.
Please note - I hope this is not the case; I have not unlocked my phone (despite desperately wanting to run Nils' ROM) because I dont have $650 to start again. BUT, I can easily see the parallel here.
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I don't know how to feel about that either. When an employee of a cellphone provider looks at the available water marks and SAYS your phone is fine and has not received water damage and they are going to replace it for you...anything found afterwords is Verizon's own fault and they will have to deal with. I actually had apple try and pull that once. Had am iPhone where the wifi card was bad, tech at apple looked at their two water markers and said it was fine, that there was a definite issue and shed replace it. Got a call from apple saying the water marker was tripped and I'd have to pay for the replacement. I told them exactly what happened and they left me alone real quick.
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... and there you go. That is the heart of my inquiry.
The initial person (counter at the store) will be irrelevant, and if people turn in Re-Locked phones, will they ultimately get charged by Verizon EXACTLY the way Apple proceeded with you.
Hi, all.
I'm a recent Galaxy Note convert. Migrated from years of glitchy and crap service from Sprint, and also a defective HTC EVO 3D. I absolutely LOVE my Note in ceramic white. However, I have had a couple of initial teething issues that I don't know are actual "problems," or just what to expect with a new Android device.
My Note is pretty much flawless most of the time, but there are instances where I've had random reboots, prolonged freezing up of the device (like when selecting certain live wallpapers and customizing their effects), and other times when transitioning from one program to the homescreen, and my phone will lag up and the icons will disappear off the screen and slowly reload a few icons at a time until everything is there, again. Also, I just realized that sometimes when I have alarms set to go off, they won't wakeup my screen. The alarm will go off but the screen will remain off. Other times the alarm will wakeup my device and turn the screen on.
So, my question is... should I be concerned and demand a new phone from Best Buy Mobile, or are these normal issues and nothing to really worry about? When I went to Best Buy, yesterday, to try and get a new phone, they were really apprehensive about it. They told me that AT&T would not allow them to replace the phone if the issues couldn't be replicated in the store (of course!). The rep did say some valid things to me about what could be causing the issues, but the whole random rebooting thing is what really has me concerned. He told me the phone was so new and that software updates have really came out yet to address any type of initial issues. Do you all agree or should I really try to get a new device??
Thanks in advance for any help.
I would get it replaced. I have not had a random reboot in both the stock rom and the SauROM custom rom. I know many others here, do not have random reboots. Something is definitely wrong hardware wise.
No random reboots or freezing on mine.
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If you're getting random reboots on stock rom with no OC, then definitely go and demand a new phone. This sounds like faulty hardware. I've never had a random reboot, even though I am undervolting and OC'd to 1.83Ghz.
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If you're getting random reboots on stock rom with no OC, then definitely go and demand a new phone. This sounds like faulty hardware. I've never had a random reboot, even though I am undervolting and OC'd to 1.83Ghz.
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I would get it replaced. I have not had a random reboot in both the stock rom and the SauROM custom rom. I know many others here, do not have random reboots. Something is definitely wrong hardware wise.
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Thanks for the advice. Yes, I am running stock ROM. So now it seems like I'm having two problems... the first being that literally no store in my immediate area has anymore ceramic white Notes in-stock and the second being the unwillingness of BB Mobile reps to replace the phone. Today ends my 14-day trial with AT& (even though I have 30-days to make a final decision) and I'm limited on how much I can do today due to an engagement I must attend, tonight. Does anyone have anymore suggestions on what I can or should do? Thanks for much for helping me sort through this. I knew that random reboots didn't sound right.
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If you're getting random reboots on stock rom with no OC, then definitely go and demand a new phone. This sounds like faulty hardware. I've never had a random reboot, even though I am undervolting and OC'd to 1.83Ghz.
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When u overclock do you notice the phone grtig hotter than when you don't?
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I would get it replaced. I have not had a random reboot in both the stock rom and the SauROM custom rom. I know many others here, do not have random reboots. Something is definitely wrong hardware wise.
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Agree.
The other stuff you mention (laggy screen transitions and such) seems to be par for the course where just about any Samsung Galaxy phone is concerned, to differing degrees on different devices, but there's zero reason why a brand new device should be locking up and powering off on you, unless there's more to the story.
In either case, dump it and get a new one.
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Agree.
The other stuff you mention (laggy screen transitions and such) seems to be par for the course where just about any Samsung Galaxy phone is concerned, to differing degrees on different devices, but there's zero reason why a brand new device should be locking up and powering off on you, unless there's more to the story.
In either case, dump it and get a new one.
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Thanks. There's no more to the story. Haven't really played around with the phone much or modified anything. Anything modifications I've done have been 100% stock. I guess I'll have to try and get the black/blue Note and before my 30-days or up, hope to swap it out for another ceramic white. Considering this wasn't my fault and BB gave me the run-a-round.
Do what you have to do, but get that sucker replaced. If you have to raise your voice with them and tell them they sold you faulty hardware and you want a replacement or a full refund. If they say no, tell them to get their boss, if that person says no, tell them to get their boss. Eventually they will say their boss is not there, at that point tell them to get the DM (district manager) on the phone. Someone will bend and give you want you deserve, that's the whole point of a return policy. Honestly if they did absolutely ANYTHING but give me what I wanted with a smile on their face, I would demand a refund as they have not erned my money. Take that refund and go to an ATT store or go online and buy that phone. I have had to take the "get your boss" route several times when they tried to give me the run around and I know I'm right. Once someone tried to tell me that they wern't aloud to call/contact their DM (this was a radio shack), so i found called another radio shack and just asked "whos your DM...ok and I need to contact him, can I have a number" and about 5 minutes of hold I had their number and called him directly to tell him the BS I was dealing with. At some point you will get the guy who isnt taking the return personally and knows his job is to smooth this crap out, simple as that.
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Do what you have to do, but get that sucker replaced. If you have to raise your voice with them and tell them they sold you faulty hardware and you want a replacement or a full refund. If they say no, tell them to get their boss, if that person says no, tell them to get their boss. Eventually they will say their boss is not there, at that point tell them to get the DM (district manager) on the phone. Someone will bend and give you want you deserve, that's the whole point of a return policy. Honestly if they did absolutely ANYTHING but give me what I wanted with a smile on their face, I would demand a refund as they have not erned my money. Take that refund and go to an ATT store or go online and buy that phone. I have had to take the "get your boss" route several times when they tried to give me the run around and I know I'm right. Once someone tried to tell me that they wern't aloud to call/contact their DM (this was a radio shack), so i found called another radio shack and just asked "whos your DM...ok and I need to contact him, can I have a number" and about 5 minutes of hold I had their number and called him directly to tell him the BS I was dealing with. At some point you will get the guy who isnt taking the return personally and knows his job is to smooth this crap out, simple as that.
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Thanks for the excellent response. I just returned from the BB Mobile store I purchased my Note from. Even though I was told BEFORE I came that they had ONE ceramic white Note left... when I got there, I was told not only did they not have anymore white Notes (and haven't had any for a few days) but they were completely sold out of black Notes. I was then told to "factory reset" my phone, as a "be all to end all" solution. I feel so exhausted. I'm scared to ask for a refund and then go to an AT&T store and AT&T tells me they won't approve me for a line of service. I know it's most likely improbable that will happen, but you never know. I just don't want to be locked into a contract and then they have the ultimate freedom to not work with me. But what you said makes a lot of sense. I wish you had posted your response before I went to the BB Mobile store. I really don't want to take a second trip there, tonight.
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Thanks for the excellent response. I just returned from the BB Mobile store I purchased my Note from. Even though I was told BEFORE I came that they had ONE ceramic white Note left... when I got there, I was told not only did they not have anymore white Notes (and haven't had any for a few days) but they were completely sold out of black Notes. I was then told to "factory reset" my phone, as a "be all to end all" solution. I feel so exhausted. I'm scared to ask for a refund and then go to an AT&T store and AT&T tells me they won't approve me for a line of service. I know it's most likely improbable that will happen, but you never know. I just don't want to be locked into a contract and then they have the ultimate freedom to not work with me. But what you said makes a lot of sense. I wish you had posted your response before I went to the BB Mobile store. I really don't want to take a second trip there, tonight.
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I understand man, its a chore to deal wit hthis crap. I do not know how the deal between ATT and BB works, but if you have a ATT store around maybe give them a call and tell them about what your dealing with, or hell call ATT customer service and tell them that they sold you a defective phone and you're just trying to get a new one. Wiping may actually help, but who knows. Your on a time crunch, I'd be more aggressive with every passing day. Maybe someone here can shed some light on the relationship between the two entities and if there is anything ATT can do.
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I understand man, its a chore to deal wit hthis crap. I do not know how the deal between ATT and BB works, but if you have a ATT store around maybe give them a call and tell them about what your dealing with, or hell call ATT customer service and tell them that they sold you a defective phone and you're just trying to get a new one. Wiping may actually help, but who knows. Your on a time crunch, I'd be more aggressive with every passing day. Maybe someone here can shed some light on the relationship between the two entities and if there is anything ATT can do.
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Thanks again for all of your help. I was actually thinking about calling AT&T and saying what you suggested. I think I'll give them a call when I'm done with my engagement. Again, I appreciate all of your help and suggestions.
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If you're getting random reboots on stock rom with no OC, then definitely go and demand a new phone. This sounds like faulty hardware. I've never had a random reboot, even though I am undervolting and OC'd to 1.83Ghz.
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A little off topic, but what did you undervolt to? I am running at 1.83ghz right now, and am curious what you undervolted to. Anything to save a little heat from forming and battery life for this thing
*UPDATE* So I just got off the phone with AT&T customer service. Now, grant it, this is only my second experience dealing with AT&T customer service and they were probably bending over backwards for me because I am not a customer locked to contract... but I have a very pleasant and satisfying experience with AT&T. Not the horror stories I've heard online. I talked to two different reps, one regular rep and another in the warranty dept, and both were helpful, knowledgeable, and shutdown all of the lies Best Buy had told me.
Both reps said they had no idea why BB was being asses about giving me a new phone. The rep in the warranty dept went much further, and apologized to me for all of the troubles they put me through ... and specifically stated that she had no idea why BB didn't simply give me a brand new phone, as that's the whole reason AT&T has the 30-day buyers remorse policy. She said it didn't matter what the reason was for my wanting a new phone, I am still covered under the 30-day policy, and BB should have simply given me a brand new replacement phone.
The final recommendation was since I technically bought my phone from BB, normally the policy would be I would have to get BB to honor AT&Ts policy and give me a new phone. But, because of all of the lies and run-a-round, AT&T recommended I go to an actual AT&T Store and they should pretty much be able to give me a new Note. AT&T setup a time to call me on Monday, to find out if I was able to get a replacement phone. They notated my account, and they said that if for some reason I wasn't able to get a new phone at the AT&T Store, the warrant dept would send out a new phone to me. A bit of a hassel, but overall it seems like my issue will be resolved (I hope!).
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*UPDATE* So I just got off the phone with AT&T customer service. Now, grant it, this is only my second experience dealing with AT&T customer service and they were probably bending over backwards for me because I am not a customer locked to contract... but I have a very pleasant and satisfying experience with AT&T. Not the horror stories I've heard online. I talked to two different reps, one regular rep and another in the warranty dept, and both were helpful, knowledgeable, and shutdown all of the lies Best Buy had told me.
Both reps said they had no idea why BB was being asses about giving me a new phone. The rep in the warranty dept went much further, and apologized to me for all of the troubles they put me through ... and specifically stated that she had no idea why BB didn't simply give me a brand new phone, as that's the whole reason AT&T has the 30-day buyers remorse policy. She said it didn't matter what the reason was for my wanting a new phone, I am still covered under the 30-day policy, and BB should have simply given me a brand new replacement phone.
The final recommendation was since I technically bought my phone from BB, normally the policy would be I would have to get BB to honor AT&Ts policy and give me a new phone. But, because of all of the lies and run-a-round, AT&T recommended I go to an actual AT&T Store and they should pretty much be able to give me a new Note. AT&T setup a time to call me on Monday, to find out if I was able to get a replacement phone. They notated my account, and they said that if for some reason I wasn't able to get a new phone at the AT&T Store, the warrant dept would send out a new phone to me. A bit of a hassel, but overall it seems like my issue will be resolved (I hope!).
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Good stuff. I really dislike Best Buy and everything that they do... this is just another knife in the chest for them.
I'm glad you got everything sorted out.
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Good stuff. I really dislike Best Buy and everything that they do... this is just another knife in the chest for them.
I'm glad you got everything sorted out.
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Yes, I'm getting to that point, too. And it doesn't help they usually employ riff-raff trash around my area. I am calling BB during normal business hours to cancel my insurance with them. I've spent like $1,500 with them in the last year or so and another $350+ with getting the Note, and to be lied to over some B.S., just has me really soured. I would rather just have my insurance through AT&T.
Hate to hear all that mess...best buy mobile is going further and further down hill. Att was right...best buy should have replaced the phone. If they had none they should have secured one by order or sent you to a store that had one. Even if you were out of the 30 days the insurance would have covered you.
On a positive note, glad to see ya! I remember seeing you around the evo threads back when I had one
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Yes, I'm getting to that point, too. And it doesn't help they usually employ riff-raff trash around my area. I am calling BB during normal business hours to cancel my insurance with them. I've spent like $1,500 with them in the last year or so and another $350+ with getting the Note, and to be lied to over some B.S., just has me really soured. I would rather just have my insurance through AT&T.
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Hate to hear all that mess...best buy mobile is going further and further down hill. Att was right...best buy should have replaced the phone. If they had none they should have secured one by order or sent you to a store that had one. Even if you were out of the 30 days the insurance would have covered you.
On a positive note, glad to see ya! I remember seeing you around the evo threads back when I had one
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Hiya! Thanks for remembering moi lol. AT&T wasn't at all flattered that BB tried to throw them under the bus. I was fully expecting AT&T to confirm what BB had told me, but to my surprise, they said I was entitled to a new phone and should have been given one. I ended up going to a Best Buy Mobile outlet and an actual Best Buy Store. They all claimed they were fresh out of any Notes. One of them told me they had one in-stock, but when I got there, I was immediately told that was incorrect and they had no more. Called another BB in my area, they were supposedly fresh out, too. If there's any good news from all of this, it's that the Note must apparently be extremely popular! Either that or Samsung shipped very limited quantities. At any rate, I can't wait til BB customer service center opens, so I can cancel my insurance with them. I'm also taking back my Galaxy Tab to BB. I've barely used it since getting the Note. If I do decide I need a tablet, I'll see what the Galaxy Note 10.1 is all about.
awesome news man! Glad we were able to get you straightened out. This right here is the whole reason behind XDA. People coming together to help each other out. I am doing battle with AT&T right now myself. My situation is with my discount. I qualify for a stack of different discounts (can only have one though) and Everytime they "fix" my account I end up gettings texts telling me to call this number and verify my discount. When I call they tell me they need me to send them more paperwork. Im still in my 30day window, but barely, so I'm going down to the store tonight with box and receipts and telling them to have it fixed while standing there or refund me, no other options, no wait and see if this worked, no email BS. Either it works or it doesnt, simple as that. Im hoping I'll still be around this forum with my note and not another section of XDA with a new carrier.
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awesome news man! Glad we were able to get you straightened out. This right here is the whole reason behind XDA. People coming together to help each other out. I am doing battle with AT&T right now myself. My situation is with my discount. I qualify for a stack of different discounts (can only have one though) and Everytime they "fix" my account I end up gettings texts telling me to call this number and verify my discount. When I call they tell me they need me to send them more paperwork. Im still in my 30day window, but barely, so I'm going down to the store tonight with box and receipts and telling them to have it fixed while standing there or refund me, no other options, no wait and see if this worked, no email BS. Either it works or it doesnt, simple as that. Im hoping I'll still be around this forum with my note and not another section of XDA with a new carrier.
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I hope you get this sorted out. Discounts are a huge thing. I don't even know if I qualify for any discounts. With Sprint, they made it sort of obvious to find out what discounts I was eligible for. Doesn't appear to be the same with AT&T. I guess I'd have to do my own homework.
What I'm asking is, will rooting void Samsung's warranty, or the 2 year extended warranty from Best Buy, or both? Cause I really wanna test CM9 for this. But I have Best Buy's 2 year extended warranty.
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What I'm asking is, will rooting void Samsung's warranty, or the 2 year extended warranty from Best Buy, or both? Cause I really wanna test CM9 for this. But I have Best Buy's 2 year extended warranty.
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Rooting will void Samsung's warranty. You can unroot the ROM so they will not notice in case you need service.
I ignore if you can go back to the stock kernel if you flash a new one, Samsung can just enter on CWM and that way they will know your warranty is screwed.
I have an extended warranty as well on Best Buy, and what they told me is that not matter what happens with the device, they will replace it with a new one in case you need it.
But, and this is a big BUT, we are talking about Best Buy, a screwed up company with sale associates that know next to nothing about what they sale, and you could be in a situation where you need to replace your device because you accidentally bricked it, and they will tell you that hacking is not covered under their extended warranty, even though someone else told you it does.
Weight your options. But my advice is: do it!. Root the damn thing, that way you will learn more, and if you brick it, then you could buy another one (hopefully). After all, these are cheap machines.
you'd just flash back to stock via odin and be done with it
So if i drop it and the screen cracks and its rooted with stock rom will i still be covered under bestbuy warranty or will i have to unroot
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j21098 said:
So if i drop it and the screen cracks and its rooted with stock rom will i still be covered under bestbuy warranty or will i have to unroot
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I would unroot it first, Odin does that.
Thanks. How Good IS the CM9 Rom.???
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Thanks. How Good IS the CM9 Rom.???
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Several bugs. The camera, bluetooth, fm radio do not work. For me, it is unusable, but try it anyway.
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Several bugs. The camera, bluetooth, fm radio do not work. For me, it is unusable, but try it anyway.
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Thanks
SirRhor said:
Rooting will void Samsung's warranty. You can unroot the ROM so they will not notice in case you need service.
I ignore if you can go back to the stock kernel if you flash a new one, Samsung can just enter on CWM and that way they will know your warranty is screwed.
I have an extended warranty as well on Best Buy, and what they told me is that not matter what happens with the device, they will replace it with a new one in case you need it.
But, and this is a big BUT, we are talking about Best Buy, a screwed up company with sale associates that know next to nothing about what they sale, and you could be in a situation where you need to replace your device because you accidentally bricked it, and they will tell you that hacking is not covered under their extended warranty, even though someone else told you it does.
Weight your options. But my advice is: do it!. Root the damn thing, that way you will learn more, and if you brick it, then you could buy another one (hopefully). After all, these are cheap machines.
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The guy in a blue Polo was either misinformed or lying. Best Buy's extended service plans on electronics like phones/media players suck horribly. Ignoring the fact that they don't cover lost/stolen devices or devices that have been immersed in water (considered how vague that exclusion is, and how hard it would be for them to tell the difference in water damage from being splashed and being dunked, I'm guess you'll have an uphill battle getting any water damage covered). If you attempt to file a claim they WILL attempt to fix it first. Which means sending it off somewhere to sit on a shelf for weeks before a tech even looks a the thing. Only if the tech decides he can't fix it will you get a replacement, which is probably refurbished. If the tech thinks he's fixed it they'll send it back. I say think because if the problem is intermittent it's quite likely the tech will simply not notice the player is still broken.
If you can still cancel the service plan, you're better off getting you're money back. Honestly, extended warranties aren't worth the money. By their very nature you HAVE to get less financial benefit out of them then they cost, period. In order for the guy selling the warranty to make a profit you have to be on the losing end of the deal. Stick some money in the back to put towards a replacement, or you're next device if all goes well. If you still feel better with some kind of coverage, you should be able to get covered by Square Trade, or other 3rd party companies.
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The guy in a blue Polo was either misinformed or lying. Best Buy's extended service plans on electronics like phones/media players suck horribly. Ignoring the fact that they don't cover lost/stolen devices or devices that have been immersed in water (considered how vague that exclusion is, and how hard it would be for them to tell the difference in water damage from being splashed and being dunked, I'm guess you'll have an uphill battle getting any water damage covered). If you attempt to file a claim they WILL attempt to fix it first. Which means sending it off somewhere to sit on a shelf for weeks before a tech even looks a the thing. Only if the tech decides he can't fix it will you get a replacement, which is probably refurbished. If the tech thinks he's fixed it they'll send it back. I say think because if the problem is intermittent it's quite likely the tech will simply not notice the player is still broken.
If you can still cancel the service plan, you're better off getting you're money back. Honestly, extended warranties aren't worth the money. By their very nature you HAVE to get less financial benefit out of them then they cost, period. In order for the guy selling the warranty to make a profit you have to be on the losing end of the deal. Stick some money in the back to put towards a replacement, or you're next device if all goes well. If you still feel better with some kind of coverage, you should be able to get covered by Square Trade, or other 3rd party companies.
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I agree. Basically, that company sucks as a whole.
I HAD to get an extended warranty because I hard bricked my first Player, and when I try BB to "honor" their warranty, they told me I have 2 options, either send the device to Samsung and wait weeks for a new device to arrive, or they could make an exception for me if I pay $65 to get an Extended Warranty.
I payed them, they got me a new device and I still have a little less than a year of this bullcrap warranty left.
I was SO GLAD when I read BB have to close stores down across the country due to weak profits. I hope they will do much worse over time. </end rant>
I've actually had great experiences buying phones from them. I was able to get my razr for $100 less than what Verizon was selling it for. Before that I'd gotten the Droid incredible for $50 off, and a full three Weeks sooner than I would have gotten it from Verizon (Verizon was backordered a full month at that point). My gf got her Maxx for $150 from best buy, and got it 2 days later (versus atleast 2 Weeks).
That being said, their service is terrible, and I won't let the geek squad do any work for me if they were paying me their exorbitant labor rates. On the plus side, I was able to spend an hour and a half playing keyboards and guitars without a single employee acknowledging my existence. In my book that's s huge improvement from when their sales floor were on commission.
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I agree. Basically, that company sucks as a whole.
I HAD to get an extended warranty because I hard bricked my first Player, and when I try BB to "honor" their warranty, they told me I have 2 options, either send the device to Samsung and wait weeks for a new device to arrive, or they could make an exception for me if I pay $65 to get an Extended Warranty.
I payed them, they got me a new device and I still have a little less than a year of this bullcrap warranty left.
I was SO GLAD when I read BB have to close stores down across the country due to weak profits. I hope they will do much worse over time. </end rant>
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When I buy the warranty at bestbuy and I take it back they just ask me what's wrong with it and I just say it doesn't work and they give me two choices a full refund in a gift card or an exchange for one on their shelf and they send of the other
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Wow. Thanks guys for your experiences. Really means alot. Cause they're LOOOOONG. thanks.
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Contribution to the BB Tangent
I hate to add to the Best Buy meme on an Android forum, but thought it might be helpful in an ancillary way: I have a buddy who worked for the Geek Squad for years, him having a large amount of contracting experience through family (all the while he grew up) and about as much with electronics, so he built entertainment systems, did tv mounts, and was "the solutions guy" for customers who called with special needs and projects: was paid well too. (I despise them as much as anyone for exhorbitant pricing!)
He buys his laptops there still, because of the warranties (and perhaps a good credit line): he's that big clumsy oaf who will drop something a bunch, and thus far they have honored warranties even for drops that crack screens; he also seems to have that "luck" of laptops dying...one to three months before a warranty runs out (and he really isn't the type to kill one just to get another new--close enough, in fact, that he tells me about anything shady he does, and breaking laptops on purpose to take advantage of warranties isn't among things he'll do), and despite this having happened multiple times, they have honored those warranties: usually with newer model replacement computers too.
So depending on the store and terms, sometimes it can be worth looking into Best Buy: read everything carefully and compare. If you're paranoid about bad things happening to your devices, or have reason to believe something probably will. Or you can do like me, and talk the Lenovo reps 1200+ dollars off of the normal pricing, and then push beyond their lowest deals by explaining the problems with unclear marketing and deal offers, and then convince them to throw in a few upgrades for free. : D And insure elsewhere. Maybe I'll keep this in mind, however, and get his advice for you, if the guy isn't too busy right now.
Happy purchases.
I dont think rooting voids warranty..
As my s plus was repaired under warranty when i was on custom rom....
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unicorndust98 said:
What I'm asking is, will rooting void Samsung's warranty, or the 2 year extended warranty from Best Buy, or both? Cause I really wanna test CM9 for this. But I have Best Buy's 2 year extended warranty.
I have a Galaxy S3 with protection plan from Best Buy ($10 a month) with sprint service and I recently bricked my phone. I went to Best Buy and they was able to give me a new GS3 (refurbished) in about three days. With a $50 deposit I received a loaner phone (lower grade but still an android smartphone). My $50 was refunded at the return of the loaner phone. So I would say ROOT ROOT ROOT!!! it is so worth it! Why not experience the full features of your device? Just for the record....Best Buy's geek squad does not fix the phones on location in most cases so your phone has to be sent out. The way their company works is, as soon as your phone is in their computer system the factory sends out the refurbished phone. So in all actuality they never see your phone until your at home rooting the new one.....you are very welcome!
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Rooting doesn't void your warranty
SirRhor said:
Rooting will void Samsung's warranty. You can unroot the ROM so they will not notice in case you need service.
I ignore if you can go back to the stock kernel if you flash a new one, Samsung can just enter on CWM and that way they will know your warranty is screwed.
I have an extended warranty as well on Best Buy, and what they told me is that not matter what happens with the device, they will replace it with a new one in case you need it.
But, and this is a big BUT, we are talking about Best Buy, a screwed up company with sale associates that know next to nothing about what they sale, and you could be in a situation where you need to replace your device because you accidentally bricked it, and they will tell you that hacking is not covered under their extended warranty, even though someone else told you it does.
Weight your options. But my advice is: do it!. Root the damn thing, that way you will learn more, and if you brick it, then you could buy another one (hopefully). After all, these are cheap machines.
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Rooting does not void your warranty. I rooted my phone and bricked it. i have a Metro PCS galaxy mega 6.3. I called Samsung and informed them that i bout it second hand like this and i want it back to normal. They told me it is still under warranty and they will email me shipping labels. They fixed everything for free. I complained before they sent it back that Samsung's website says my Phone should have Kit Kat. So I told them that is false advertisement and that is wrong lol. Everyone on the internet says they only have gingerbread. Metro Pcs is the red headed step child of the mobile industry so they didn’t get the over the air update. I complained about this to Samsung and they informed me that they will be upgrading my Mega with Kit Kat. Don’t believe everything you see on the internet.