According to the boys over at Androidpolice (who do a great job tearing through code) Google apparently has big plans going forward.
One of users biggest issues with Android has always been updates, getting manufactures to issue updates is hard enough but when you add carriers on top of that (mankind's closest approximation to pure evil) it becomes an incredible headache to get ANY update.
Google solution: cut them both out of the loop. Here's how... Several years ago they began decoupling the core pieces of Android so they could be updated outside of interference from the Playstore. Apps such as Calendar, YouTube, Gmail, Google+, etc. What this does is it allows Google to update and iterate much faster. There have been several major updates to Google+ and YouTube for example in just the last 9 MONTHS. It looks like that trend will continue as even more pieces will be decoupled in a few weeks (Dialer, messaging, Camera, and gallery) but that Android itself will be decoupled as LAUNCHER.
GAME. CHANGER.
Now understand there is still underlying base code that if Google wanted to change would either have to be submitted or just rolled out with new phones but Google has positioned themselves to make that irrelevant. What people care about is the front facing, user EXPERIENCE. What we see when we are using the phone itself. THIS is what Android is to most people.
If this can now be changed independent of interference, if user interface changes can be tweaked and modified on Google's timetable now instead of someone else's, if users will have the ability to run "Stock" Android on any phone then this is not hyperbole it really is a game changer.
Thoughts?
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...re-some-things-we-are-expecting-to-see-in-it/
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interesting , thanks:good:
so according to my understanding, 4.4 will have 2 operating layers..
the first layer is for pure google enviroment for google updates and google apps, while the second layer is for 3rd party apps or OEM skins..
am i right?
Sort of. There will be a base code which underlies everything as it does now. On this you can build Touchwiz, LGs Optimus skin or whatever.
The core Google Apps will be updated, as they are now, from the Google playstore.
In addition Androids interface itself, the part you see and touch, will be able to be updated in the Google playstore. Think a launcher like Nova or apex but with deeper integration and smoother running.
Now Google will be able to tweak and modify without interference multiple times a year if it so chooses.
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Sort of. There will be a base code which underlies everything as it does now. On this you can build Touchwiz, LGs Optimus skin or whatever.
The core Google Apps will be updated, as they are now, from the Google playstore.
In addition Androids interface itself, the part you see and touch, will be able to be updated in the Google playstore. Think a launcher like Nova or apex but with deeper integration and smoother running.
Now Google will be able to tweak and modify without interference multiple times a year if it so chooses.
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finally less hardware dependance
I'm glad to see all the core apps starting to be independently released through the play store for faster updates. One way to by pass slow OEM update processes.
Some misinformation here. This is not Android, as a whole, going to the playstore - its just the launcher. Not to mention this is purely speculation anyways. The launcher is simply the home screen. Its just another apk that sits in /system/app just like the core gapps all do. This does NOT affect anything more than the home screen and app drawer. This definitely would not streamline Google updates either. The main chunks of Android still sit in the framework .jars and other key system packages that can't just be decoupled and packaged for download in the Play Store. Sure, if they wanted to update how the home screen or app drawer looks or works they can just push an update to the Play Store. Anything more than that, though, and they still have to go through the same current process for updating.
Yeah I see how you could read it that way. My intent was that the interface itself will be in the launcher.
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Yea there is no way that would work, too many different phones and manufacturers, if it was that simple we could flash any rom from any phone. Unfortunately there will never be a speed up on the manufacturer level not until there was massive protest and or loss of sales for them, and the carriers plane and simple dont care about the end users at all, thats why we have the awesome developers here to do what the carriers and manufacturers refuse to do. But yes its pretty sad when we as a community are using a fully working rom months hell sometimes almost a year before an actual update comes out. Sucks even more if your a Verizon customer and they can push an exploit patch out within days of a phones release yet want to sit on a full os update for months on end and AT&T just plain dont care if your junk gets an update or not.
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Yea there is no way that would work, too many different phones and manufacturers, if it was that simple we could flash any rom from any phone. Unfortunately there will never be a speed up on the manufacturer level not until there was massive protest and or loss of sales for them, and the carriers plane and simple dont care about the end users at all, thats why we have the awesome developers here to do what the carriers and manufacturers refuse to do. But yes its pretty sad when we as a community are using a fully working rom months hell sometimes almost a year before an actual update comes out. Sucks even more if your a Verizon customer and they can push an exploit patch out within days of a phones release yet want to sit on a full os update for months on end and AT&T just plain dont care if your junk gets an update or not.
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Some misinformation here. This is not Android, as a whole, going to the playstore - its just the launcher. Not to mention this is purely speculation anyways. The launcher is simply the home screen. Its just another apk that sits in /system/app just like the core gapps all do. This does NOT affect anything more than the home screen and app drawer. This definitely would not streamline Google updates either. The main chunks of Android still sit in the framework .jars and other key system packages that can't just be decoupled and packaged for download in the Play Store. Sure, if they wanted to update how the home screen or app drawer looks or works they can just push an update to the Play Store. Anything more than that, though, and they still have to go through the same current process for updating.
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Both of you are right. But also..parts of your comments are wrong. You can hide other stuff in a launcher. Just because it's labeled as a launcher, doesn't mean OTHER apps can be integrated. Look at G+ it used to have the messenger and the G+app. (SAME app, just a short cut) and launchers from 3rd party developers sit in data/app(doesn't matter just trying not to confuse people) and lastly the" main chunks" Are not necessarily ALL framework changes. A lot of the big updates, really are JUST apps. EVEN as a developer you can see about half of the big features are apps. And now..sorry, I don't mean to be rude, DaT Franchise. But the first sentence in your comment is...well completely,COMPLETELY wrong as far as apps go, one app can work on *ALL* phones if it is developed properly. Notice,you can take any gmail.apk and install it on any phone..any screen size...any hardware that runs android. Nova launcher,one app that works on all (4.0 and up) devices. Sure. The "android launcher" May only be available on 4.0 and up. If I'm wrong let me know. If I offended. Anyone let me know. I do not mean to offend
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I know the difference between an apk and the os itself and not to be rude myself but if your statement is correct then i should be able to pull the lockscreen apk and jar mod them and use it on my HTC one or vice versa but it doesn't work that way because of the system ui itself as a whole, and depending oh how deeply it is integrated into the system as in i can push and run the optimus g launcher on my HTC and Note2 but i cant push and use the HTC launcher on my G or my note2. And i am no developer but im pretty sure cooking a good rom is a lot more then updating a few apks, and again if it was that simple we would all be enjoying a fully 100% working CM 10.2 rom right now.
What Google is doing is making the launcher itself available like gmail and YouTube. So they will simply recode the launcher (which will be launcher 3) so it can be its own app.
As it stands now, any Google system apps see their update go to data/app anyway so that the update can be uninstalled if the update causes issues. (If you're rooted, delete the system app for say, hangouts, and it will still be usable and in your app drawer because you didn't delete the update that sits in data/app. Plus hangouts relies on no framework files to run)
I believe this is the route Google is going with the launcher since it doesn't rely on framework jars to run now
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DaT Franchise said:
I know the difference between an apk and the os itself and not to be rude myself but if your statement is correct then i should be able to pull the lockscreen apk and jar mod them and use it on my HTC one or vice versa but it doesn't work that way because of the system ui itself as a whole, and depending oh how deeply it is integrated into the system as in i can push and run the optimus g launcher on my HTC and Note2 but i cant push and use the HTC launcher on my G or my note2. And i am no developer but im pretty sure cooking a good rom is a lot more then updating a few apks, and again if it was that simple we would all be enjoying a fully 100% working CM 10.2 rom right now.
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That is different though, you CAN use the stock aosp launcher on any phone, htc,lg Samsung and the rest don't like other phones looking like theirs...so they integrate literally EVERYTHING into their framework. And I completely understand where you're coming from. And as far as roms go, I (as a beginning developer...I've built a couple roms..nothing groundbreaking) know it's more than that. Like I said in my comment, I said SOME of the features are apps. In NO WAY can you completely update android through apps. There are changes in framework And system files.
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I would rather they decoupled the OS from the hardware layer altogether. Just a launcher wont bring in the goodies.
have manufacturers only provide hardware driver updates will solve almost all vomplaining about slow update cycles.
There is another, rather nefarious set of effects that result from those changes.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...ntrolling-open-source-by-any-means-necessary/
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About google decoupling apps from android, read this: arstechnica DOT com/gadgets/2013/10/googles-iron-grip-on-android-controlling-open-source-by-any-means-necessary/
make sure to replace DOT with . - can't post links
Thoughts = um.............AWESOME!!!! That is all.
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Evening fellow SGS3 owners, after having a (and being a die hard) iPhone 4 user. I finally saw the light in in using an operating system that allowed alot more than changin the wallpaper...... anyways I have just got a SGS3 in white which is awesome ^^
Couple of problems though after playing with a friends galaxy S2.
1) I've noticed that when in the app menu there is a tiny bit of lag when flicking through screens. Is that to make the screen flow better? The s2 just flicks through as soon as your fingers move.
Secondly (for any GTA3 lovers out there) I was copmparing my phone to a friends Onex and I have the PS2 textures on my version but he has the Xbox textures on his. Do you think this will get updated as that will bug me.
3) I have had the odd Applciations crash which I have never had before in iOS. Can that be a fault with the phone or is it normal?
4) The gallery app looks Pants compared to the S2 version, is there any way I can make it look the same?
Thanks alot!
Oh and on a side not if I want to change my mind I have a few days to change to a blue one if i prefer but I havent seen one. Anyone got any good piccies?
Jonny
1) Some android phones do some don't, depends on whats running and whats installed. Custom roms should help.
2) The one x has a tegra 3 optimised GTA so it will have the better textures, i don't think the normal version will be updated as the better graphics are exclusive to tegra 3 at the moment.
3) Its fairly normal , in my opinion android apps seem to crash more than on iOS.
If you experience lag a lot or random force closes constantly reboot your phone (may have to more than once). If problems still persist with app force closing then uninstall and reinstall the app, if it still force closes there is a high possibility the app has not been updated to support ice cream sandwhich or possibly the exynos quad core. The gallery app is something you have to live with unless you root (equivalent to jailbreak but at the same time much more) and put stock Google android or someone gets a custom rom and changes the framework of touchwiz. Also to fix your scrolling issue and make you android experience smoother you can download nova launcher or apex launcher from the play store to get the ics Google feel.
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Point 4) install QuickPic from market
http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alensw.PicFolder
Is the best picture viewer you can get. It is free.
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3) Its fairly normal , in my opinion android apps seem to crash more than on iOS.
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Actually the statistics show that ios apps crash more often than Android apps. Google it if you don't believe me.
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3) Its fairly normal , in my opinion android apps seem to crash more than on iOS.
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Why? Because the OS is informing you that it crashed ? On iOS you don't even know this because Apple considered that the user didn't need to know, instead there's a crash report sent to Apple behind your back. Intratech is right, look it up on google and you'll see that iOS apps crash more.
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Is it possible to make Android NEVER automatically kills running apps, to have true multitasking like on Maemo and webOS?
I am really sick of it killing apps that I use.
I tried V6 supercharger, but that didn't help... I looked everywhere for an answer, but I never found one.
Surely there is a way to make Android multitask like a proper PC, where it's the user who manages apps?
(And please don't tell me that I should leave it to Android, that it knows better, and etc.)
Now, before you start defending Android:
Ever had your browser refresh the page by itself after switching to it?
Ever lost something you were writing when you switched to another app?
Ever had a video pause because you switched from the player?
That shows that Android does NOT have true multitasking.
Now, I see why Google did that - battery life. However there is a new class of devices, where battery life is not such a problem. Tablets.
And yet they still suffer from same issues.
Now, here's an example: the browser. Very often I'd come back to my browser, only to find that it is reloading the page I was on, wasting traffic, and losing whatever text I typed.
That's stupid, right?
I can even track back to what device did this first - the iPhone.
iPhone 1 had 8 times less RAM than your average high end device, yet they still have a similar problem.
So yeah. Not true multitasking. Even in the app switcher, notice that it never says "running apps", only "recent apps" - because it isn't a true multitasking app switcher, just a history of all recent apps you launched.
Go on, scroll to the very top, launch the oldest app on the list. I'm 99% sure that it has restarted. This would've never happened if Android had TRUE multitasking.
Now, there has to be a way to get that. Desktop Linux does it, so Android probably can too.
If you ever notice that the app restarts, it's the app that is badly implemented. All apps must be able to handle a restart by Android transparently to the user by saving its state. If not, tell the app developer to fix it.
Chrome, Dolphin, Boat, Maxthon, AOSP, ICS Browser+, Opera, Firefox.
That's a list of browsers that have this problem.
Do you really think that they all implemented multitasking wrong?
Again, it's a problem with Android - I don't want apps to save their state so that Android can kill them - I want them to never leave RAM at all.
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Now, here's an example: the browser. Very often I'd come back to my browser, only to find that it is reloading the page I was on, wasting traffic, and losing whatever text I typed.
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Maybe dont answer all ur questions:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/...lication-is-that-frowned-upon/2034238#2034238
Apps who properly implement onSaveInstanceState() can come back, in case of web browsers is more complex to use it properly, texts or images are simple to imagine how to OS save on "disk" to retrieve later, what about sockets or open files (can be deleted while in background).
Android keep on background until the resources are needed for another task (and maybe a time limit, but dunno for sure), if happen very often w/ u means ur OS r using more resources than what need to keep on background.
Android has true multitasking, but... eh here's a link. Read yourself.
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html?m=1
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But is it possible to make it so that apps do not get killed at all, just like in Maemo or a normal PC?
What you showed me is exactly why Android does not have true multitasking: it uses stuff like services to actually have less things running - and I don't want that. I want all apps to truly stay in the background - so a YouTube video would continue playing, just like when I minimize the browser on my PC, and etc.
I understand why that isn't the default behavior on phones, but it could be really useful on a tablet.
I don't want to be at mercy of app developers - since even Google messes up: every time I switch out of Google Talk, I lose what I was typing.
I'd much rather have a limited amount of apps that I can launch at a time, and be able to manage what I want to keep open myself.
What you are asking for is basically to completely change core Android behavior.
Sorry, but its just not possible
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It is possible, because it's been done. There was a guy who did it over on the V6 supercharger thread, but I don't think the how he did it was ever released. Instead it was developed into a "kill apps only when ram is REALLY needed" method, which could run up to 20 apps at a time on some phones apparently
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I get what you are talking about but I'd say is what device your using. My eVo 4g lte's was written screwed up by HTC. Maybe yours is like that too. My rom maker and other devs have done many fixes for it. It has got better but my eVo and eVo 3d still multitask better, and it is true multitasking. It doesn't work like I'm talking about on all devices, but for u to say it's all of Android.......... It's not.
Swyped from my eVo
The mulittasking in Android has some limits which are quite annoying. On my Droid 3 apps that I haven't used will start in the background and waste RAM so there isn't enough RAM to multitask and the device is laggy. I tried rooting and freezing bloatware, but other apps have just filled the void by automatically running in the background. I really wish the user had more control over multitasking. Unless I open an app I don't want it to start in the background, even if there is enough free RAM. But Motorola makes some pretty bad software so this could be the issue.
On my Touchpad with CM9 multitasking is quite a bit better. Not sure if its having 1GB of RAM, improvements in ICS, or just CM but you can actually run several programs at once without them closing, so my browser pages stay loaded.
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Android has true multitasking, but... eh here's a link. Read yourself.
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html?m=1
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gagdude said:
What you are asking for is basically to completely change core Android behavior.
Sorry, but its just not possible
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Then how come this was possible on iOS?
My iPad 1 was a multitasking beast with just 2 tweaks - Swap and Backgrounder.
Everything was smooth. And yet I can't get the same on devices with 4 times more RAM?
gagdude said:
What you are asking for is basically to completely change core Android behavior.
Sorry, but its just not possible
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Did it weeks ago. Maximum Overdrive to bypass Maximum hidden app limit.
Just grab the Ultimate Jar PowerTools script or the windows exe version.
http://goo.gl/1JPl8
Also read Post 2 of the thread for a link to the windows.exe
Currently hacking Sense 4+ which seems to be working well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1900626
Tried V6 - but apps I bulletproofed still get killed.
So yeah. Looks like the only thing I can do is wait until webOS gets ported to my tablet...
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Tried V6 - but apps I bulletproofed still get killed.
So yeah. Looks like the only thing I can do is wait until webOS gets ported to my tablet...
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Did you patch services.jar with the multitasking mods?
Yes, with "Jelly ISCream Automatic Patcher".
V6 script showed me that I'm 100% supercharged.
well...I didn't experienced these kind of problem before. android indeed has good multitasking stuff. the number of app running on background depend on the ram size. you can't expect to run such heavy app with huge ram consumption on such device with low ram. anyway, you can try to play with minfree stuff. try to minimilize the value
The Note 10.1 can have side by side applications, is this what you kinda mean?
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Yes, with "Jelly ISCream Automatic Patcher".
V6 script showed me that I'm 100% supercharged.
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Well the latest one is actually called Ultimate Jar Power Tools so if you ran that, and enable Maximum Multitasking Mods, then you should be getting better multitasking/app reloads.
The windows exe would do the same thing of course and is up to date.... well until I update it later cause I'm adding the Sense 4 mod.
Any idea about how many apps you can run before vs after?
oops... double post
I'd like to know what everyone is looking forward to the most with the next version of android.
My list:
-Multi-window (or at the very least a 50/50 side by side. I would love to be able to watch Netflix and browse simultaneously)
-Completely fix chrome
-fully integrated support for 3rd party application synchronization between devices (with real time data snycing)
-centralized gaming hub for high scores/achievements ect. (possibly integrated within Google+)
-support for optional cloud application data hosting (for those with not much local storage available)
-native theme support
-native NTFS support
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Nobody knows what will be in Key Lime Pie, or even if it will definitely be coming at IO, so this is a bit nonsensical to answer -- but still.
If I could request *one* feature for Key Lime Pie, it would be vastly-improved stability. No more random, total lockups of the user interface. No more sleep of death. No more random, spontaneous reboots. No more opening a web page and suddenly your whole browser vanishes with no error or warning of any kind. No more other apps doing the exact same thing.
In short, a properly stable operating system.
Oh, and proper multitasking where programs don't spontaneously close without warning when they're in the background, where programs don't stay running after you swipe them away from the recent apps list, and where they don't remain in the recent apps list after you exit them by actually shutting the app down. That'd be nice, too.
I couldn't care less about side-by-side display of apps; on my phone I would never use it because the screen is too small, and on my tablet I would never use it because that's what multitasking and switching between apps is for.
[quote="knoxploration"[/quote]No more random, total lockups of the user interface. No more sleep of death. No more random, spontaneous reboots. No more opening a web page and suddenly your whole browser vanishes with no error or warning of any kind. No more other apps doing the exact same thing.[/quote] I would agree that we'd all like to have our OS 100% rock-solid stable, and that this is a goal to strive for, but that sounds a bit odd...the way you're describing it, these things are quite frequent for you. I rarely see issues like this on my Galaxy Nexus running 4.2.2; I recently had to do a system wipe due to some corruption that caused super battery drain and issues with text messaging, but that's unrelated to this, really. The hardware on the Nexus 4 and Nexus 10 runs circles around my GNexus, too - is it really that bad? [quote="knoxploration"[/quote]Oh, and proper multitasking where programs don't spontaneously close without warning when they're in the background[/quote] That is automatic task killing used to keep RAM reserves in check and keep the system running smoothly at all times. The Nexus 4 and 10 have a LOT better experience with multitasking than older devices, with their 2GB of RAM. There's a reason Google upped the ante in that area! Android needs those resources to operate efficiently and properly. [quote="knoxploration"[/quote] where programs don't stay running after you swipe them away from the recent apps list[/quote] This one puzzles me...they don't stay running unless its a background process, like TextPlus or Gmail push notifications. And you can turn those off, if you want to. Some even do stop - if you swipe away Google Music, the background music stops playing as well.
As for side by side display, I have to agree with you. Not TOO meaningful on a tablet, definitely not a 4.6" phone. It would be a nice option, though.
By the way, nice topic HarmonyFlame! I love these kinds of posts. Theres great, positive discussion on them, usually.
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I would agree that we'd all like to have our OS 100% rock-solid stable, and that this is a goal to strive for, but that sounds a bit odd...the way you're describing it, these things are quite frequent for you.
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They are very, very frequent issues on my Asus Eee Pad Transformer TF101 (I own two, both do it.) It's an issue even on a stock, unrooted tablet without a single app installed, and has been ever since the Ice Cream Sandwich update. (It was fine on Honeycomb.)
I've not bought the Nexus 10 yet, but have already been warned it suffers the same issues.
It is much rarer on my phones than on tablets; they do it, but very rarely. The tablets do it on a daily basis.
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That is automatic task killing used to keep RAM reserves in check and keep the system running smoothly at all times. The Nexus 4 and 10 have a LOT better experience with multitasking than older devices, with their 2GB of RAM. There's a reason Google upped the ante in that area! Android needs those resources to operate efficiently and properly.
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I know why it is there. I also know it is poor design. I know which of the apps running in the background are important to me; the tablet doesn't. A good design would simply warn me that I was running low on memory, and let me choose which apps to kill, rather than killing something I potentially need. I have lost data to this; it is bad behavior.
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This one puzzles me...they don't stay running unless its a background process, like TextPlus or Gmail push notifications. And you can turn those off, if you want to. Some even do stop - if you swipe away Google Music, the background music stops playing as well.
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I can't provide examples as I don't remember which programs do it, but I have come across multiple apps that definitely stay open (with no notifications present, and these aren't background processes) when you swipe them away. Go to apps and force stop, the program will actually exit. Swipe it away from the recent apps list, and it will not.
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They are very, very frequent issues on my Asus Eee Pad Transformer TF101 (I own two, both do it.) It's an issue even on a stock, unrooted tablet without a single app installed, and has been ever since the Ice Cream Sandwich update. (It was fine on Honeycomb.)
I've not bought the Nexus 10 yet, but have already been warned it suffers the same issues.
It is much rarer on my phones than on tablets; they do it, but very rarely. The tablets do it on a daily basis.
I know why it is there. I also know it is poor design. I know which of the apps running in the background are important to me; the tablet doesn't. A good design would simply warn me that I was running low on memory, and let me choose which apps to kill, rather than killing something I potentially need. I have lost data to this; it is bad behavior.
I can't provide examples as I don't remember which programs do it, but I have come across multiple apps that definitely stay open (with no notifications present, and these aren't background processes) when you swipe them away. Go to apps and force stop, the program will actually exit. Swipe it away from the recent apps list, and it will not.
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So you don't own a nexus 10 but you're making comparison to the tf101? Which is a very old tablet! It doesn't matter to the system what apps are important to you, the system is going to decide what should be closed when is needed, specially if you let it sit in the back too long, why is Google going to worry about what app the user would like to keep open while is in the background, with how many apps we have today, that's for the end used to worry about, if you don't want to lose data just don't push that important task to the background until you're done with it. I personally think that it handles the task of killing apps when needed quite well, it will never be perfect for everyone but it sure is as good as it gets right now. If you're having issues closing apps, by having to force close from the manage apps menu then you need to see what app is causing this, because that's not normal..
I know there's always room for improvement , but that's why I run rooted and custom, that way you get the best available and not just what Google wants you to have.
My 2¢
Full ui hdmi scaling
what multitasking and switching between apps is for.
The one thing I should love to see again is for them to somehow have the OS know that if you're running it on a tab, you get tab nav bar, and not like a phone/phablet, like in previous versions, or let the user decide which one to use, like our custom ROMs that have them, not like AOKP though, it still looks funky, they're too separate., I'm saying this but when it comes out I'll run it for a little bit, and be on the first custom rom after a dev cooks one up.
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So you don't own a nexus 10 but you're making comparison to the tf101? Which is a very old tablet! It doesn't matter to the system what apps are important to you, the system is going to decide what should be closed when is needed, specially if you let it sit in the back too long, why is Google going to worry about what app the user would like to keep open while is in the background, with how many apps we have today, that's for the end used to worry about, if you don't want to lose data just don't push that important task to the background until you're done with it. I personally think that it handles the task of killing apps when needed quite well, it will never be perfect for everyone but it sure is as good as it gets right now. If you're having issues closing apps, by having to force close from the manage apps menu then you need to see what app is causing this, because that's not normal..
I know there's always room for improvement , but that's why I run rooted and custom, that way you get the best available and not just what Google wants you to have.
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I'm comparing to the TF101 running numerous Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean ROMs, including the stock Asus ROM, plus the experiences of others using the Nexus 10 and other Android tablets. We'll see soon enough though as I just got the Nexus 10 myself today...
And wow, if your opinion is that it is the user's fault rather than poor OS design, then thank goodness you aren't an OS designer. The OS is supposed to be seeing the user's needs, not vice versa. People don't buy tablets because they want to be slaves to them.
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knoxploration said:
And wow, if your opinion is that it is the user's fault rather than poor OS design, then thank goodness you aren't an OS designer. The OS is supposed to be seeing the user's needs, not vice versa. People don't buy tablets because they want to be slaves to them.
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The OS doesn't care. If the RAM is getting full, and the OS needs the RAM in order to run something else, memory management will kill whatever it needs to in order to get enough RAM to run it. Regardless of the fact you, the user, use that app 4 times more than anything else currently in memory. The tablet is not learning your usage habits.
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The OS doesn't care. If the RAM is getting full, and the OS needs the RAM in order to run something else, memory management will kill whatever it needs to in order to get enough RAM to run it. Regardless of the fact you, the user, use that app 4 times more than anything else currently in memory. The tablet is not learning your usage habits.
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And that is precisely my point. The OS is dumb, and yet it forces its dumb decisions on the user. An intelligent OS would either learn which apps the user didn't want closed, provide a way to prioritize or prevent closing of certain apps or apps in certain states, or simply warn when the threshold nears and let the user decide what to close.
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I'm not sure if I want that feature... But now that you mention it I'm actually surprised it is not there... What with google being the king of tracking usage habits and all
It seems simple enough to implement. Have the ability to "pin" apps you want kept alive in the apps list.
Edit: Clarification.
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It seems simple enough to implement. Have the ability to "pin" apps you want kept alive in the apps list.
Edit: Clarification.
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I think it then becomes a tradeoff in terms of convenience. For example it might be more convenient if apps are forced to remain open if that is what the user wants, but at the same time it means that if you have a list of apps that the OS cannot close on it's own accord, and you suddenly decide you want to use an app that requires more resources than are available, due to them being used up with these pinned apps, does the user then have to manually go and close their apps down in order for the new app to run correctly?
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I think it then becomes a tradeoff in terms of convenience. For example it might be more convenient if apps are forced to remain open if that is what the user wants, but at the same time it means that if you have a list of apps that the OS cannot close on it's own accord, and you suddenly decide you want to use an app that requires more resources than are available, due to them being used up with these pinned apps, does the user then have to manually go and close their apps down in order for the new app to run correctly?
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That is infinitely preferable to the OS closing an app randomly and losing your data.
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knoxploration said:
That is infinitely preferable to the OS closing an app randomly and losing your data.
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And therein lies the issue. Who to cater for? You think this preferable, i think it not. Google has to decide which market to target. I have no statistics, just an opinion, but i personally think that there are probably a lot more people buying phones and tablets who just want to press a button and have the app work. As a user, i personally do not come across many instances where i switch back to an app and find i've lost my data, i imagine this is more important and relevant for people using their tablets and phones for more serious work be it business or study etc. But for someone just wanting to get onto facebook, or take a photo, or play a game, which is in my mind, the majority of users, i think it would be preferable to them not to have to have to start killing apps so as to get their youtube video to play in a smooth fashion.
Maybe google could arrive at a compromise, or a DEV could somehow implement it either as default or as an option, but for now i think that it is as it is for the sake of the general market. Most users are casual users, maybe not even technically proficient, they just want it to work in as simple fashion as possible. Just look at roms as an example. Plenty of roms offer plenty of features that people claim they want or need, but the vast majority of users happily get by without these supposedly important additional functions.
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I'm comparing to the TF101 running numerous Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean ROMs, including the stock Asus ROM, plus the experiences of others using the Nexus 10 and other Android tablets. We'll see soon enough though as I just got the Nexus 10 myself today...
And wow, if your opinion is that it is the user's fault rather than poor OS design, then thank goodness you aren't an OS designer. The OS is supposed to be seeing the user's needs, not vice versa. People don't buy tablets because they want to be slaves to them.
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But you're still comparing it to a tegra 2 , 1ghz processor , 1gig of ram tablet, apples and oranges.
And my opinion is coming from a person that has been into android since day one, still have my T-Mobile G1, among other devices, and the matter of fact is that the OS has never cared about apps open and what apps the user wanted to keep open, before we had to use app killers because they would stay open and eat up all the ram, yes this tablet has issues and is not perfect, but is still the best as of now. Apparently I hit a nerve with my comment, it wasn't my intention. I agree with you that the OS should see what apps get more use and give them some sort of priority over others to prevent them from being killed but it doesn't work that way as of now I'm afraid. Maybe that will be a new feature in key lime pie, intelligent memory management.
RoloRacer on RootBox Nexus 10
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That is infinitely preferable to the OS closing an app randomly and losing your data.
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Memory management is tricky. Physically memory can get fragmented so despite overall memory being available, what is there is in chunks too small to be actually use. There is nothing random about which app Android chooses to close when there is not enough memory. "Least used" logic would be just one example of how an app is choosen. Other factors are also taken into account.
A major feature of Andorid is memory management which includes that when an app starts it registers a "close routine". Android calls that routine when it needs more memory and has selected that app for closure. The routine lets the app gracefully save any user data before it is closed. Only poorly coded apps would loose values user data when signalled that it is being shutdown by the OS.
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Only poorly coded apps would loose values user data when signalled that it is being shutdown by the OS.
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So Google's stock browser and Chrome are both poorly-coded, then?
Those are the two apps that lose me data -- or simply force me to have to log back into websites over and over -- the most often due to this poor design.
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So Google's stock browser and Chrome are both poorly-coded, then?
Those are the two apps that lose me data -- or simply force me to have to log back into websites over and over -- the most often due to this poor design.
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Have you not seen the number of complaints about chromes instability and such, it certainly seems that it is indeed poorly coded.
That said, i have never experienced this with chrome on my N10 at all. The only website that i find i am often asked to log back into is XDA, every other site is just fine.
Hangouts with sms is great along with the other updated apps, but damn I love the Google Experience launcher. Way less options than nova or apex, but the always-on hotword detection on homescreens is great. Just wondering if anyone else here is trying them out?
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Hangouts with sms is great along with the other updated apps, but damn I love the Google Experience launcher. Way less options than nova or apex, but the always-on hotword detection on homescreens is great. Just wondering if anyone else here is trying them out?
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i think i installed 90% of them, so far so good. i cant wait for our phone to have it.
Apparently CM will continue to focus on 4.3 builds, so I don't expect a CM11 anytime soon. Knowing our luck with this device, we'll probably have issues with kit kat builds anyway. Still, the launcher and hangouts are pretty badass. It's just a shame there's no official support for icon packs with stock launchers. I have to use an xposed module to use my icon pack of choice on this new launcher and I sometimes feel like it slightly slows the device down.
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They're over seas right now at the Oppo factory. Steve is normally the one that merges the new source. Give it a few months, well see test builds.
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I had most of the 4.4 .APKs (including the launcher and Google Now) installed on my cm10.2 build for the past day or so, but today I experienced the crash/bootloop scenario that's been plaguing the nightly builds lately; after a forced reboot, all the 4.4 apps were gone, and since I had frozen Trebuchet in TiBU, I was without a launcher and had to restore a NAND backup. Was I supposed to lock all the 4.4 apps into the system folder or something?
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I had most of the 4.4 .APKs (including the launcher and Google Now) installed on my cm10.2 build for the past day or so, but today I experienced the crash/bootloop scenario that's been plaguing the nightly builds lately; after a forced reboot, all the 4.4 apps were gone, and since I had frozen Trebuchet in TiBU, I was without a launcher and had to restore a NAND backup. Was I supposed to lock all the 4.4 apps into the system folder or something?
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I don't know why they would disappear but you could have enabled trebuchet without restoring. You could have accessed the settings through quick settings, went to the apps section, found trebuchet and hit enable. Also, there's no reason to freeze it. Once you switch to a different launcher and reboot, none of your other installed launchers will run. Just for future reference.
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I don't know why they would disappear but you could have enabled trebuchet without restoring. You could have accessed the settings through quick settings, went to the apps section, found trebuchet and hit enable. Also, there's no reason to freeze it. Once you switch to a different launcher and reboot, none of your other installed launchers will run. Just for future reference.
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Settings was even crashing upon opening; it was incredibly odd. As for the freezing, I and many others who installed the 4.4 launcher were experiencing the default launcher setting not sticking even after setting it to the 4.4 launcher; freezing Trebuchet (the only other one I had installed) fixed this. But that obviously didn't work out so well for me...
Which thread are you getting the apk files from?
Anyone installed the new launcher from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2506488
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Which thread are you getting the apk files from?
Anyone installed the new launcher from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2506488
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I browse /r/Android on reddit often, and people were going nuts posting links to all the apks. I'm sure they're all over the internet by now.
But yes, that's the launcher I'm running. It's so limited in features compared to others, but it really does everything I need. Some people don't seem to like the google now to the left of the main homescreen, but I'm digging it.
I'm really hoping for kit kat to make it's way to our device though. I saw there's a CM11 branch, but who knows what kind of code needs updating and/or compatibility issues.
Do you need to be rooted to do this I keep getting a parsing error
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Checking it out myself, thanks to your thread, however after installing the apks I somehow seem to have broken the "okay Google" feature. Google search updated itself and all after installation but even if I choose search manually now it still won't respond to the command.
Your right tho, the launcher is simple but works well. The only thing I don't care for is the constant Google search box on the home screen especially when all you have to do is say the command and it goes straight there.
nexus 5/ kit kat is tits guys
Linch89 said:
nexus 5/ kit kat is tits guys
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I'm rocking the moto x for the last couple weeks. Really a great phone and updated to kit Kat on Verizon so damn fast was really a shocker.
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CM11 Alpha for the INC4G
You've got to check out Cyanogenmod 11 for our device. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2552150 I had to flash the updated Recovery but I have had no issues so far. There's a fair bit in 4.4 that you don't get from the base Kit Kat apps that you can install for 4.1 and up.
CM 11 nightly
I've been using the nightly from 12-26 and it is 4.4.2 I have had no issues at all, and it seems to be running smooth. Battery is draining pretty well, but it does in any rom due to the lack of signal from my house. I'm at the office now, running wifi and it seems to be draining less.
I was waiting to buy the upcoming iPhone (Blasphemy!) but I just love how unique Find X is. It is going to be up for pre-order next week and I need some advice from you users.
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Thanks in advance. Will really appreciate your input. Cheers!
prophet558 said:
I was waiting to buy the upcoming iPhone (Blasphemy!) but I just love how unique Find X is. It is going to be up for pre-order next week and I need some advice from you users.
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Thanks in advance. Will really appreciate your input. Cheers!
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- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
Seems pretty solid but we won't know for a while!
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
Try looking in the forum, about three posts down in the "Killing apps" thread
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
Not so far but, it looks pretty easy to clean the dust away
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Power management is a B*&CH. See the same thread about "Killing Apps"
https://forum.xda-developers.com/find-X/help/killing-apps-screen-off-arghh-t3818105
Monty Burns said:
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
Seems pretty solid but we won't know for a while!
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
Try looking in the forum, about three posts down in the "Killing apps" thread
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
Not so far but, it looks pretty easy to clean the dust away
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Power management is a B*&CH. See the same thread about "Killing Apps"
https://forum.xda-developers.com/find-X/help/killing-apps-screen-off-arghh-t3818105
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Thanks a lot for the response. I have used ColorOS recently (Oppo Realme 1) and the Background app management was too aggressive.
prophet558 said:
Thanks a lot for the response. I have used ColorOS recently (Oppo Realme 1) and the Background app management was too aggressive.
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Yeah, it's on some sort of power trip (literally, in both senses of the phrase). That said, if you read through the thread i created, following a firmware upgrade yesterday and after a "settling period" things have been almost faultless today. My phone has been faultless and even thrown in a couple of reboots to challenge it and still been OK. My last problem of Gmail being forced to drop to 15 minute syncs instead of Push also seems to have resolved itself.
Now, i'm not sure if this is some sort of OS learning which apps I use, the firmware or just plain luck (or a combo) but, i'm now very happy with the device.
If you want your own launcher, it is entirely possible, as is removing the bloat (i'm running Nova) and there is no need to register with Oppo either. The link to achieve that is also in the thread I linked to.
I have no idea about battery life as when I'm at work it sits in a dock and then when i'm at home, it's also mostly in a dock so, battery life isn't really a concern but, i guess I'll find out this weekend!
prophet558 said:
I was waiting to buy the upcoming iPhone (Blasphemy!) but I just love how unique Find X is. It is going to be up for pre-order next week and I need some advice from you users.
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Thanks in advance. Will really appreciate your input. Cheers!
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1: The mechanism feels very durable, and 95% of the time the camera pops up fast. I have encountered 5% of time when the camera would pop up but the camera app takes an additional second or two to load.
2: nope. Unable to use nova launcher unless you into adb and do all types of advanced phone geek thing or something.
3: there's noticeable dust on my camera module but doesn't seem to be a big deal.
The big issue with this phone you should take note is, like many Chinese roms, push notifications are delayed or broken if the app has been closed or in background too long. There is a work around for this -- you have to go to settings and turn battery optimization off AND lock the app in the app overview window. This is of course, not ideal and annoying as hell. Currently I only have crucial "must get notifications on time" apps locked, such as whatsapp, wechat and Gmail. So for the most part I can use the phone fine. But I do miss all other notifications such as airbnb messages, Facebook messages, LinkedIn messages, until I open those apps again. I could lock all of them down too, but I don't want to have like seven apps running in background at all times.
This is a problem with many Chinese version of Chinese phones. I don't know why they think battery optimization so aggressive it kills notifications is a good thing.
prophet558 said:
I was waiting to buy the upcoming iPhone (Blasphemy!) but I just love how unique Find X is. It is going to be up for pre-order next week and I need some advice from you users.
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Thanks in advance. Will really appreciate your input. Cheers!
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1) Stock Android provides for incoming notifications to be seamless (automatic by default, individual 3rd party app settings may be different by default, but, can be easily toggled on). Oppo has severe restrictions on this, limiting to 5 user installed apps to start automatically on boot & 5 apps total to be locked in recent memory.
So, a high horsepower phone is basically muzzled, if you can deal with the angst of wondering if you're going to get timely notifications...... Perhaps if you use the stock email & messaging apps, these will likely work, but, I would steer clear of those....
2) No NFC, so, no tap to pay apps will work.
3) No VoLTE, no VoWI-FI
4) No status bar notification icons, no LED notification indicator.
5) If you use T-Mobile Digits & it isn't a top 5 protected app/one of your precious 5 to auto start on boot, it will log you out of the app on reboot & it will not work until you set it up again, resulting in missed messages & phone calls.
6) 3rd party clock apps: Again, if it's not a protected top 5 app, it will not keep proper time, resulting in missed alarms..... The stock clock works, but, it is a bare bones app at best, no snooze adjustment, locked into 5 minutes, SERIOUSLY?
7) Ad Blockers will work, but, intermittently, again, the top 5 protected app thing & even then, Oppo will kill it off at some point, resulting in having to restart the blocking.
8) If you choose to use a 3rd party launcher, you again lose some functionality. I use Chrome & frequently place shortcuts on my desktop from it.
NOT ON THIS PHONE, another swing & a miss....
9) Bluetooth devices:
Generally they work fine,but,if the device has a companion app,prepare for it (the app) to not work properly.
Example(s):
I have a pair of Jabra Elite Active 65t earbuds,pair-up & work fine,but,the companion app will not work,as it requires a plug-in app to fuel it. These various "plug-in" apps are typical & the companion apps work fine elsewhere,but,not on this phone.
Reason being,the "plug-in" app does not have a user interface,so,you cannot make the app a top 5 protected app to gain functionality,it simply won't work at all.
Ditto for smartwatches such as the Samsung line-up, for the same reason,no notifications,worked one day for me & broken the next,before & after the most recent Oppo update. That results in the Samsung smartwatch getting a lobotomy,only able to keep time & nothing more.
10) Package tracking apps:
Again,the top 5 protected thing,no timely updates & even then,mine simply did not refresh automatically,had to be done manually.
I could go on, but, in a nutshell, you're forced to make sacrifices as soon as you start using the phone. If this was a entry level/low storage/low RAM device, that's one thing.
But, it's not, basically a Lamborghini running on two cylinders, that's not what I paid for & why I sold mine 5 days after the most frustrating phone experience I've ever seen....
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Yeah, it's on some sort of power trip (literally, in both senses of the phrase). That said, if you read through the thread i created, following a firmware upgrade yesterday and after a "settling period" things have been almost faultless today. My phone has been faultless and even thrown in a couple of reboots to challenge it and still been OK. My last problem of Gmail being forced to drop to 15 minute syncs instead of Push also seems to have resolved itself.
Now, i'm not sure if this is some sort of OS learning which apps I use, the firmware or just plain luck (or a combo) but, i'm now very happy with the device.
If you want your own launcher, it is entirely possible, as is removing the bloat (i'm running Nova) and there is no need to register with Oppo either. The link to achieve that is also in the thread I linked to.
I have no idea about battery life as when I'm at work it sits in a dock and then when i'm at home, it's also mostly in a dock so, battery life isn't really a concern but, i guess I'll find out this weekend!
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That's very reassuring for me. Are you able to view the screen on time in this device? (Dunno why colorOS hides that).
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1: The mechanism feels very durable, and 95% of the time the camera pops up fast. I have encountered 5% of time when the camera would pop up but the camera app takes an additional second or two to load.
2: nope. Unable to use nova launcher unless you into adb and do all types of advanced phone geek thing or something.
3: there's noticeable dust on my camera module but doesn't seem to be a big deal.
The big issue with this phone you should take note is, like many Chinese roms, push notifications are delayed or broken if the app has been closed or in background too long. There is a work around for this -- you have to go to settings and turn battery optimization off AND lock the app in the app overview window. This is of course, not ideal and annoying as hell. Currently I only have crucial "must get notifications on time" apps locked, such as whatsapp, wechat and Gmail. So for the most part I can use the phone fine. But I do miss all other notifications such as airbnb messages, Facebook messages, LinkedIn messages, until I open those apps again. I could lock all of them down too, but I don't want to have like seven apps running in background at all times.
This is a problem with many Chinese version of Chinese phones. I don't know why they think battery optimization so aggressive it kills notifications is a good thing.
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Thanks for the response. Hope backgeound app management better with the Global ROM.
The international version goes on sale in India and the Philippines today. We should soon get an idea of what the phone is capable of when it isn't hobbled by the oppressive Chinese firmware.
KOLIOSIS said:
1) Stock Android provides for incoming notifications to be seamless (automatic by default, individual 3rd party app settings may be different by default, but, can be easily toggled on). Oppo has severe restrictions on this, limiting to 5 user installed apps to start automatically on boot & 5 apps total to be locked in recent memory.
So, a high horsepower phone is basically muzzled, if you can deal with the angst of wondering if you're going to get timely notifications...... Perhaps if you use the stock email & messaging apps, these will likely work, but, I would steer clear of those....
2) No NFC, so, no tap to pay apps will work.
3) No VoLTE, no VoWI-FI
4) No status bar notification icons, no LED notification indicator.
5) If you use T-Mobile Digits & it isn't a top 5 protected app/one of your precious 5 to auto start on boot, it will log you out of the app on reboot & it will not work until you set it up again, resulting in missed messages & phone calls.
6) 3rd party clock apps: Again, if it's not a protected top 5 app, it will not keep proper time, resulting in missed alarms..... The stock clock works, but, it is a bare bones app at best, no snooze adjustment, locked into 5 minutes, SERIOUSLY?
7) Ad Blockers will work, but, intermittently, again, the top 5 protected app thing & even then, Oppo will kill it off at some point, resulting in having to restart the blocking.
8) If you choose to use a 3rd party launcher, you again lose some functionality. I use Chrome & frequently place shortcuts on my desktop from it.
NOT ON THIS PHONE, another swing & a miss....
9) Bluetooth devices:
Generally they work fine,but,if the device has a companion app,prepare for it (the app) to not work properly.
Example(s):
I have a pair of Jabra Elite Active 65t earbuds,pair-up & work fine,but,the companion app will not work,as it requires a plug-in app to fuel it. These various "plug-in" apps are typical & the companion apps work fine elsewhere,but,not on this phone.
Reason being,the "plug-in" app does not have a user interface,so,you cannot make the app a top 5 protected app to gain functionality,it simply won't work at all.
Ditto for smartwatches such as the Samsung line-up, for the same reason,no notifications,worked one day for me & broken the next,before & after the most recent Oppo update. That results in the Samsung smartwatch getting a lobotomy,only able to keep time & nothing more.
10) Package tracking apps:
Again,the top 5 protected thing,no timely updates & even then,mine simply did not refresh automatically,had to be done manually.
I could go on, but, in a nutshell, you're forced to make sacrifices as soon as you start using the phone. If this was a entry level/low storage/low RAM device, that's one thing.
But, it's not, basically a Lamborghini running on two cylinders, that's not what I paid for & why I sold mine 5 days after the most frustrating phone experience I've ever seen....
Sent from my HUAWEI BKL-L04 using XDA Labs
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Really appreciate the response. That seems a lot of sacrifices which I can make except for the Smartwatch thing. Do you think the Wear OS watches will crippled the same was as the Gear ones? (Despite Wear OS being a single app with no companion apps unlike the Gear)
prophet558 said:
Really appreciate the response. That seems a lot of sacrifices which I can make except for the Smartwatch thing. Do you think the Wear OS watches will crippled the same was as the Gear ones? (Despite Wear OS being a single app with no companion apps unlike the Gear)
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If you don't make it a "Top 5 Protected" app, count on it not syncing properly/automatically.
krabman said:
The international version goes on sale in India and the Philippines today. We should soon get an idea of what the phone is capable of when it isn't hobbled by the oppressive Chinese firmware.
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They have given a tentative delivery date - 5th of August on Flipkart (India).
Screw it I just pre-ordered it (Bordeaux Red). Shipping starts from 4th of August. Hope the phone gets relatively better with the Global Indian ROM. Thank you all for your inputs.
Does it has hi dac like vivo nex ?
rowihel2012 said:
Does it has hi dac like vivo nex ?
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No it doesn't.
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If you don't make it a "Top 5 Protected" app, count on it not syncing properly/automatically.
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As a Wear OS user (Polar M600) i can absolutely CONFIRM what Koliosis is saying and this is not just limited to Samsung Watches.
That said, my watch has been fine now for 2 days and, even after a reboot, the same apps are still auto-run and remain locked. I actually like this solution now BUT, why the FRACK have they restricted it to only 5 apps!?
Anyway, as an example, my locked and running fine apps are:
Wear OS
The Crypto App (so it's widget runs OK - take note, to run a widget, the PARENT app needs to be locked sometimes)
WhatsApp
Gmail
Google Calendar (again, for it's widget)
Now, for me, this is perfectly OK and I have no need to even want to lock other apps (like Facebook) as i'm not interested however, you need to assess YOUR needs which may be more apps.
edit: Oh, oddly, i've got the Sony Experia clock widget installed and that runs perfectly even without being locked and I've no idea why!
Also, I've got the red and it looks stunning. Easily the best looking phone i've ever owned. You'll be happy with the physical design.
prophet558 said:
They have given a tentative delivery date - 5th of August on Flipkart (India).
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Same here, will share my inputs once I receive the device :fingers-crossed:
Funk Wizard said:
Same here, will share my inputs once I receive the device :fingers-crossed:
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Looking forward to it....
I'd be open to getting the phone again,provided the version you'll be getting won't be locked-down,as far as Auto-Start/RAM/recents/app permissions go.
If you've perused the threads here,you're aware of the limitations the users have with the Chinese version,I sure hope your experience is leaps & bounds better.............. :good:
KOLIOSIS said:
Looking forward to it....
I'd be open to getting the phone again,provided the version you'll be getting won't be locked-down,as far as Auto-Start/RAM/recents/app permissions go.
If you've perused the threads here,you're aware of the limitations the users here have with the Chinese version,I sure hope your experience is leaps & bounds better.............. :good:
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If these restrictions do not exist on a non-Chinese version, I'll be flashing as soon as it is possible and a method is detailed!
KOLIOSIS said:
Looking forward to it....
I'd be open to getting the phone again,provided the version you'll be getting won't be locked-down,as far as Auto-Start/RAM/recents/app permissions go.
If you've perused the threads here,you're aware of the limitations the users have with the Chinese version,I sure hope your experience is leaps & bounds better.............. :good:
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I am positive for a better experience on the Indian version which is already better in terms of bloat and hopefully we can do a workaround for the other issues. I will keep you posted. Currently it's a long wait as the tentative delivery is 5th August so I'll share my inputs after playing with the machine for a couple of days
Many thanks for your inputs so far and the adb workaround for bloat.
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