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Google Translation for the first (French) site:
A few weeks after the formalization of the iPad 2, Archos has reported on its fiscal 2010 and the prospects offered by the current year. If the French company back to green finance side, the year 2011 will undoubtedly hinge for the manufacturer of tablets. The Archos Generation 9 of tablets will be unveiled at next June, but some elements are already known.
They are no less than 6 new products touchscreen (5 "to 10") which added to the Archos line of tablet, a priori all Android. The manufacturer put a new structure combines thin plastic and lightweight metal. A new processor will also be a part: it is the ARM model A9 dual-core 1.6 GHz, billed as the most powerful to date, incorporated into a tablet.
Yes i heard it too!
that was clearly when i brought my A101 - everything is become to be old!
But i love my 101 and i'm dont gonna buy my an gen9 im waiting for 10/11.
Then hopefully some android devs can port the honeycomb version on gen9 to our gen8!
http://www.archos.com/corporate/investors/financial_doc/ARCHOS_2010_Results_en.pdf
Page 18, header reads, "4 key differentiators in Gen 9 tablets to be released in June 2011"
:O
it is real
i see this press presentation
and i wait more informations
Here is another article about these:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/20/sneak-peek-at-archos-gen-9-tablets-1-6-ghz-dual-core-a9-process/
I mean it looks cool, but I refuse to buy a new tablet every year. So I'll probably use my Gen8 101 until it dies and look for a new tablet whenever that happens. Right now it is just a consumption device anyway. Web surfing, e-mail, eBooks, etc...no need to get something new.
Exactly. Its not necessary to have these things constantly upgraded and driving up the price to own one. The point of a tablet was a smaller, cheaper, lighter alternative to a netbook for basic usage such as e-books, web surfing, email, etc.(Personal favorite use for my Archos A101T 16GB has been as a digital comic reader, thousands of my digital comics all in one place and the form factor is perfect scale for comics) as well as a decent portable media device. All the additions that they are making, are bells and whistles that won't dramatically improve my current experience.
For Gen 10 I bet they'll be using something like Tegra 3 with quad core configured Cortex A9, or maybe even A15 Eagle?
I think I'll pick one up in the summer as I currently don't have any devices. Biding my time :3
You lose your bet, man it'll be Rockchip, I'm sure.
Rockchip doesn't even have anything planned for ~2 years >_>
And at 1.6Ghz I think Archos is looking to use a modified OMAP 4440/4460, it looks like it's seemingly the closest
Gen9 better have at LEAST 1GB of RAM in order to stay competitive. There's no point having a fast processor if all you can do is run one app at a time...
Now that I sold my Gen8, I might consider one of these, but I think I learned a valuable lesson venturing into the tablet world. First, the tablet needs to be at least marginally future-proofed. In other words, come from a manufacturer with a good track record of updating the OS...OR....not use locked down proprietary crap so that devs like those on XDA can cook up newer ROMS. Second, it has to have the hardware to support not only the current generation of OS, but preferably what is anticipated for the next generation or two. So at least 1024mb of RAM, 32-64GB storage, dual-core processor with decent speed, etc.
So we will see how the Gen9's look when they really do come out.
The thing I like most about Archos is their media support though. They absolutely kill the competition on media support...which is pretty important when you look at this kind of device (at least for me).
I think it is more likely to have 2.3 that 3.0
If anyone's keen, I started a hardware modding thread for the Archos Gen9. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15668374#post15668374
I'm looking to buy a tablet an I'm eyeing this cuz of great value so can u give me quick review on the tab
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right now, no, do not buy a Gtablet. They have not released any real updates since January. It's currently selling for about $260 on Woot and Tiger Direct sales.
My Stepfather just got an Acer Iconia at Staples with a $100 coupon. It's far superior to the Gtablet. It comes packaged with Android 3.0 (Honeycomb), is relatively young, meaning that you'll get at least a few more months of updates, the screen is better...blah, blah, blah.
All in all, the Gtablet is good, but not becuase of Viewsonic, but becuase of devs on forums like this one. The hardware is nice, nad the potential is there. But without help from Viewsonic, we will not have fully functional gingerbread or honeycomb.
Your best bet is to get somethign else.
TJEvans said:
right now, no, do not buy a Gtablet. They have not released any real updates since January. It's currently selling for about $260 on Woot and Tiger Direct sales.
My Stepfather just got an Acer Iconia at Staples with a $100 coupon. It's far superior to the Gtablet. It comes packaged with Android 3.0 (Honeycomb), is relatively young, meaning that you'll get at least a few more months of updates, the screen is better...blah, blah, blah.
All in all, the Gtablet is good, but not becuase of Viewsonic, but becuase of devs on forums like this one. The hardware is nice, nad the potential is there. But without help from Viewsonic, we will not have fully functional gingerbread or honeycomb.
Your best bet is to get somethign else.
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TJ is telling you the straight truth. There are many other options out there for you other than spending your money on a tablet that Viewsonic has simply walked away from after 6 months. You will be left with an orphaned tablet. If you could get it for $100.00 or so it would be a different story. I'm so upset with Viewsonic, I won't ever spend $.01 with them again.
might be worth it if its dirt cheap, cause there's lots of better tablets coming out. Still, this tablet can hold its own, has good specs and im running Honeycomb smoothly on it. Its not perfect yet, but its still a pretty good ROM. my only real gripe right now is the screen, check out some of the other tablets before jumping on this one. The Archos G9 80 and 101 will be out soon if you want a cheap tablet, they look really interesting and much better than their last tablets: 1.5 Ghz Dual Core CPU, 250gb hdd as an option, they will have the market, so no work arounds needed, unlike their last tablets and also the Gtablet.
Archos G9 Specs
If you can get a used one for less than $200, then it will still be a good buy.
I wouldn't count on an upgrade from Android 2.2 . But there may soon be the Linux MeeGo distro available for nVidia Tegra devices. If that happens this tablet will really be useful.
I just broke my G-Tab & was contemplating as to whether I should buy a replacement screen (if possible), a new one, or a different android tab altogether. In the end though after much debating & thinking about the android os in terms of out the box usage & functionality I decided to go with a Windows 7 based tablet. What drew me away from the G-Tab was not so much its hardware (screen excluded) but more-so its support from Viewsonic & androids ability to just "get it & go".
I'm not knocking the android o/s but it still has a long way to come to reach that level. All I can say is keep your mind open, look around, weigh the price vs specs vs features & don't dismiss other options in regards to the o/s.
I purchased my EXOPC off ebay for $475 & cannot be happier with the specs it lists (to name a few):
11.6 inch screen @ 1366 x 768 Resolution, 16:9 Wide-screen Ratio
Intel Atom Pineview-M N450, 1.66 GHz (supports 64-bit)
Storage Capacity 32 Gigabyte or 64 Gigabyte Solid State Drive (SSD)
2 Gigabytes DDR2 SDRAM
Intel GMA 3150 & Broadcom Crystal HD 1080p (supports up to 1080p high-definition video)
The biggest point though is the ability to run ALL windows apps on this bad boy as well as install Linux, MeeGo, Splashtop etc. etc.
So I have a Kindle Fire pre-ordered, but I have been reading around and now I am not sure what to do because I am considering canceling my Fire and getting a touchpad off eBay.
Which one do people around here think is the better value, when one is planning on running custom android roms.
fieldju said:
So I have a Kindle Fire pre-ordered, but I have been reading around and now I am not sure what to do because I am considering canceling my Fire and getting a touchpad off eBay.
Which one do people around here think is the better value, when one is planning on running custom android roms.
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The Fire may not be very rom-friendly, but it's not even out yet for the developers to get ahold of. Cm7 is already well on its way for the Touchpad though. If that's your main criteria, I might suggest a Nook Color even. You can find them for $150 for a good refurb and it's well-supported by Cm7. They are similar hardware wise the Kindle Fire and the same form factor (7" screen).
buy me a fire and I'll let you know.
thanks
Well, just a quick at the specs here are a few that stand out:
TouchPad
Processor: Qualcomm dual-core 1.2GHz
Storage memory: 16GB or 32GB
RAM: 1 GB
Screen: 9.7 In.
OS: WebOS/Android 2.3 dual boot
Bluetooth: Yes
Front facing Camera: yes
Accelerometer: Yes
Compass (magnetometer): Yes
Gyroscope: Yes
Kindle Fire
Processor: TI OMAP dual core 1.0GHz
Storage memory: 8GB
RAM: 512 MB
Screen: 7 in.
OS: Android 2.3
Bluetooth: No
Front facing Camera: No
Accelerometer: No
Compass (magnetometer): No
Gyroscope: No
Not sure if one processor has a real advantage over the other but I would guess the TouchPad would probably be the better of the two.
Storage and RAM the TouchPad has the clear advantage.
Screen of course the TouchPad is bigger but it depends on what you prefer.
The Touchpad has an alpha version of Gingerbread 2.3 and of course WebOS witch I like much more than I expected. You could have two operating systems in essence.
The TouchPad was designed as a more Premium device with decent hardware (thus the greater storage and RAM) the Fire was designed as a budget device with cost saving in mind.
With all that in mind I go with the Touchpad if you can keep the price at around two $200 range (give or take a little).
That my 2 cents worth.
Tp is much better hardware
On the TP you also get bluetooth and a camera.
Don't know if Touchpad's GPU really better or worse than SGX540 of Nook, but 1gb of RAM really makes huge difference, 512mb is simply not enough, esp., for tablet.
However, Touchpad is big and heavy, and the pixel density is lower. And it doesn't have a proper build of Android (alpha 2 is alpha 2, more or less stable, but jerky) yet.
Unrealwolf said:
Don't know if Touchpad's GPU really better or worse than SGX540 of Nook, but 1gb of RAM really makes huge difference, 512mb is simply not enough, esp., for tablet.
However, Touchpad is big and heavy, and the pixel density is lower. And it doesn't have a proper build of Android (alpha 2 is alpha 2, more or less stable, but jerky) yet.
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With Ice Cream Sandwich on the way. It is almost a given, that it will ported by early next year if not sooner. This should be a huge reason to go to Craigs List and buy that TouchPad!
Buy the touchpad especially if you get a 32gb version at good price. Android, even though alpha version, is working great. Should be a stable version out soon. ICS is also coming. The touchpad is a high end tablet!
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On the TP you also get bluetooth and a camera.
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Good catch, I'll add that to my list along with:
Accelerometer
Compass (magnetometer)
Gyroscope
Not to mention that the Fire might be locked down.
Huawei MediaPad 10FHD 10.1" tablet PC
I want to know if it is the latest sales on the market
I fuond one from the web 365gate.com http://365gate.com/product-516.html but not find on other web sited
it will be released in SELECTED MARKETS in europe on this month, not so much information i could find about those markts but i'd say you can get this device easily on October.
that's what google says
I'm excited for that 800 megapixel rear camera! That's going to revolutionize tablet photography!
In all seriousness though, that looks like a monster of a device, but I would prefer to spend my money on a device that has more brand name support, and decent accessories to boot. For only $488 you can get the Asus Transformer Infinity Pad that has a faster processor with more supported software, probably better battery life, and an awesome keyboard dock that adds a lot of functionality.
As we know, Google has not released a new Nexus 10, well over a year after the original's release. The original's specs are still great, new tablets are not really surpassing it much if at all, so I don't think it's in dire need of an update, but it's still unusual to see that much time go by without an update for a product a company is still interested in.
Then in the code, we have two solid hints that Google no longer cares about the 10" form factor. The first obvious one is the Settings menu in KitKat, with two-pane UI removed. The second hint now comes with the official launch of the Google Now Launcher. We see that GNL only does 6 columns on Nexus 10, same as Nexus 7. Google could've easily bumped this to 8 like with the stock launcher, but didn't bother.
Then there are Nexus 8 rumors. To me 8" is still too small and is noticeably smaller than a 10" tablet. You need only look at the iPad Mini and full size iPad to validate this opinion. However, Google might use that device as further justification to not bother with a 10" device, since 8" is "close enough" and a single tablet could garner more sales.
This seems like a poor decision to me though. As I said, Apple thinks there is good reason to have both 8" and 10" devices in play, and the market agrees with them. 10" tablets are THE next "PC" for average users. They do most things people could want, on a comfortably sized screen, especially when paired with a keyboard. The fact that iPad Airs are flying off shelves and increasingly used in enterprise proves this. If we are really "post-PC" and the iPad's dominance is going unchecked, why would Google give up on this size/form factor? Why not continually update the N10 and pair it with awesome keyboards and office apps to make it a real powerhouse? Samsung gets it and is doing exactly this - it seems Google is happy to let them handle it, despite its huge importance. What if Samsung takes it in a different direction that Google is unhappy with? They've been known to do this before.
Do you agree with this, or do think Google is still committed to the full size market, but just taking their time with an update? Keep in mind the software hints we have seen that indicate they are giving up.
xdp said:
The original's specs are still great, new tablets are not really surpassing it much if at all, so I don't think it's in dire need of an update.
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The N10.1-14 and Tab|Pro 10.1 run circles around the N10 specs wise.
GPU
The Mali-T628 delivers high performance graphics, achieved by doubling the number of GPU cores, within each core and improving the compiler and pipeline efficiency. It delivers up to 10x the graphics performance of the Mali-400-MP GPU, as well as an increase in GPU Compute performance when compared with the Mali-T604 GPU.
The Mali-T604 GPU delivers up to 5x performance improvement over the Mali-400-MP graphics processor and is scalable up to four cores.
http://mobile.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-t628.php
CPU
Exynos 5420 provides four A15 cores plus the ability to transition to four A7 cores under low/moderate load vs. two A15 cores on Exynos 5250. The former's using a 28nm HKMG die while the latters using the much older 32nm process which is far less energy and heat efficient.
You can look at benchmarks and see that the N10's CPU and GPU are "acceptable" but certainly not contemporary compared to newer Exynos/Mali and S-80X/Adreno SoC's.
Size
Battery Life
The Samsung tablets get better battery life using a smaller and lighter battery. Primarily because of the RGBW display and more energy efficient SoC(s). With the extra white pixel there are still 274 red, green, and blue sub-pixels per inch which wouldn't be indistinguishable compared to the 299 PPI on the N10. The iPad Air has 264 PPI for reference.
TW obviously negates some of the performance benefit because of all the resources it consumes but if you added the same amount of crap to the N10 it's performance would be significantly below the Samsung tablets. Same thing in reverse if you slapped CM or an AOKP ROM on the Samsung tablets. The Xperia Tablet Z 2 is using a S-801 SoC and comes with 3GB of RAM which will actually surpass the performance of the Samsung tablets and even further outperform the N10.
So the N10's had its day in the sun but needs either to be replaced to remain contemporary or marked down considerably in price based on its performance position in the market place.
That's totally true. And we aren't even talking about Snapdragon 800 beast in the market. I like it a lot but it has become quite obsolete (as usuall in Tech market). I think new media contents wont be able to be played fluidly.
The screen ppi is about the best on any tablet and it's running the latest version of Android and apps run without lag so really no need to upgrade.
BarryH_GEG said:
The N10.1-14 and Tab|Pro 10.1 run circles around the N10 specs wise.
GPU
The Mali-T628 delivers high performance graphics, achieved by doubling the number of GPU cores, within each core and improving the compiler and pipeline efficiency. It delivers up to 10x the graphics performance of the Mali-400-MP GPU, as well as an increase in GPU Compute performance when compared with the Mali-T604 GPU.
The Mali-T604 GPU delivers up to 5x performance improvement over the Mali-400-MP graphics processor and is scalable up to four cores.
http://mobile.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-t628.php
CPU
Exynos 5420 provides four A15 cores plus the ability to transition to four A7 cores under low/moderate load vs. two A15 cores on Exynos 5250. The former's using a 28nm HKMG die while the latters using the much older 32nm process which is far less energy and heat efficient.
You can look at benchmarks and see that the N10's CPU and GPU are "acceptable" but certainly not contemporary compared to newer Exynos/Mali and S-80X/Adreno SoC's.
Size
Battery Life
The Samsung tablets get better battery life using a smaller and lighter battery. Primarily because of the RGBW display and more energy efficient SoC(s). With the extra white pixel there are still 274 red, green, and blue sub-pixels per inch which wouldn't be indistinguishable compared to the 299 PPI on the N10. The iPad Air has 264 PPI for reference.
TW obviously negates some of the performance benefit because of all the resources it consumes but if you added the same amount of crap to the N10 it's performance would be significantly below the Samsung tablets. Same thing in reverse if you slapped CM or an AOKP ROM on the Samsung tablets. The Xperia Tablet Z 2 is using a S-801 SoC and comes with 3GB of RAM which will actually surpass the performance of the Samsung tablets and even further outperform the N10.
So the N10's had its day in the sun but needs either to be replaced to remain contemporary or marked down considerably in price based on its performance position in the market place.
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Well its 16 months old now the N10 so what else do you expect. Still a good tablet in my book.
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Warren_Orange said:
Well its 16 months old now the N10 so what else do you expect. Still a good tablet in my book.
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I didn't say it wasn't a "good" tablet; especially for $250 for the 32GB version on eBay. But after 16 months the following statement isn't true. The most unique feature of the N10 was it being the only 2,560x1,600 Android tablet. The 10" Samsung tablets and Asus TF701 both have similar displays now in addition to improving upon every other h/w spec.
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New tablets are not really surpassing it much if at all.
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I think they will put out another. They're development devices so as long as we have ultra high resolution 10+inch tablets there should be a 10 incher from google
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Google provides updates to a device for 18 months, right? So what happens when the N10 hits 18 months, if they have no new N10 out by then?
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Darnell_Chat_TN said:
Google provides updates to a device for 18 months, right? So what happens when the N10 hits 18 months, if they have no new N10 out by then?
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10" Android tablets, especially high-end versions, have never sold well. At $400+ people (not necessarily XDA'rs) looking for larger format tablets buy iPads. People looking for cheap tablets buy Android (forked and official) which are typically $250 or below and 7-8". The Motorola Zoom was released three years ago in February, 2011. The fact we're still dealing with this speaks volumes about the attention developers pay to 10" tablets with their larger display area and landscape orientation.
Samsung and their zillion dollar marketing budget are making a huge push in the high-end larger format tablet space. And with balls of steel their pricing the 8.4 and 10.1 Pro/Note's at iPad prices and beyond. We'll see if that gets people interested in large Android tablets. If you look at the latest KitKat adoption rate it's below 2%. If you assume most Nexi that were able upgraded that means that of all the Android h/w out there less than 2% are Nexi. If you further assume the N4/5 and N7/N7-13 (both of which emphasize price as much as purity) are the lion's share that doesn't leave many other devices sold. Google may just be taking a pass on a new 10" tablet or letting Samsung prime the pump with their Pro/Note push before they jump back in. The world will survive without a new N10 since they didn't fall all over themselves to buy the first one.
Does not answer my question you've quoted. I'm asking about OTA updates for the current N10 if it hits 18 months and no new N10 is released. Sorry for not mentioning I'm asking regarding OTA updates.
Darnell_Chat_TN said:
Does not answer my question you've quoted. I'm asking about OTA updates for the current N10 if it hits 18 months and no new N10 is released. Sorry for not mentioning I'm asking regarding OTA updates.
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I dont think that's any sort of guarantee. Considering how they had to disable features in 4.4.2, I wonder if 4.5 will even make it onto the N10 officially.
BarryH_GEG said:
10" Android tablets, especially high-end versions, have never sold well. At $400+ people (not necessarily XDA'rs) looking for larger format tablets buy iPads. People looking for cheap tablets buy Android (forked and official) which are typically $250 or below and 7-8". The Motorola Zoom was released three years ago in February, 2011. The fact we're still dealing with this speaks volumes about the attention developers pay to 10" tablets with their larger display area and landscape orientation.
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If anything that is MORE reason why Google should focus on this space. Just like they did with the Nexus 7 where they came out with a device that did the 7" form factor right, and it got attention. iPads are THE next "PC". In the future (even now) your average user will have a smartphone or maybe a tablet to use at home, and might not need a Windows/Mac PC at all. If Google doesn't get Android to a dominant position in this space like they've done with phones they will come to regret it. It ties into enterprise adoption, productivity (Google Docs and as an extension Chromebooks), you name it.
BarryH_GEG said:
The N10.1-14 and Tab|Pro 10.1 run circles around the N10 specs wise.
GPU
The Mali-T628 delivers high performance graphics, achieved by doubling the number of GPU cores, within each core and improving the compiler and pipeline efficiency. It delivers up to 10x the graphics performance of the Mali-400-MP GPU, as well as an increase in GPU Compute performance when compared with the Mali-T604 GPU.
The Mali-T604 GPU delivers up to 5x performance improvement over the Mali-400-MP graphics processor and is scalable up to four cores.
http://mobile.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-t628.php
CPU
Exynos 5420 provides four A15 cores plus the ability to transition to four A7 cores under low/moderate load vs. two A15 cores on Exynos 5250. The former's using a 28nm HKMG die while the latters using the much older 32nm process which is far less energy and heat efficient.
You can look at benchmarks and see that the N10's CPU and GPU are "acceptable" but certainly not contemporary compared to newer Exynos/Mali and S-80X/Adreno SoC's.
Size
http://www.flickr.com/photos/b-a-h/11237275726/
Battery Life
The Samsung tablets get better battery life using a smaller and lighter battery. Primarily because of the RGBW display and more energy efficient SoC(s). With the extra white pixel there are still 274 red, green, and blue sub-pixels per inch which wouldn't be indistinguishable compared to the 299 PPI on the N10. The iPad Air has 264 PPI for reference.
TW obviously negates some of the performance benefit because of all the resources it consumes but if you added the same amount of crap to the N10 it's performance would be significantly below the Samsung tablets. Same thing in reverse if you slapped CM or an AOKP ROM on the Samsung tablets. The Xperia Tablet Z 2 is using a S-801 SoC and comes with 3GB of RAM which will actually surpass the performance of the Samsung tablets and even further outperform the N10.
So the N10's had its day in the sun but needs either to be replaced to remain contemporary or marked down considerably in price based on its performance position in the market place.
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None of this refutes my points regarding Google giving up on this space despite all the reasons they should actually increase their efforts in it. And despite the spec bumps you quoted, the N10 is still a super capable and modern tablet. It could stand to be a bit faster (or maybe Android/Chrome just better optimized for Exynos), and better in-use battery life is always welcome, but that's about it. Just sitting there my N10 will only lose 1-2% over the course of a whole day idle.
I could never get used to the ten inch Android form factor. Too awkward to hold IMO either landscape or portrait. And the dimensions at that size just look odd when viewing the screen for anything but videos. Bought a N10 and returned it days later. That said the Samsung Note 8 is ergonomically excellent and great for viewing in portrait mode. Just needs higher resolution and it would have it all. But I like mine all the same. Still I need a large format tablet which is why I own the iPad Air. Tremendously light and has an excellent screen. They chopped the bezel size which makes it feel small but they didn't shrink the screen. This really is a killer pad just from a hardware technical perspective. On the other hand, don't like the iOS but what can you do. Android really needs to change the ten inch form factor.
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xdp said:
As we know, Google has not released a new Nexus 10, well over a year after the original's release. The original's specs are still great, new tablets are not really surpassing it much if at all, so I don't think it's in dire need of an update, but it's still unusual to see that much time go by without an update for a product a company is still interested in.
Then in the code, we have two solid hints that Google no longer cares about the 10" form factor. The first obvious one is the Settings menu in KitKat, with two-pane UI removed. The second hint now comes with the official launch of the Google Now Launcher. We see that GNL only does 6 columns on Nexus 10, same as Nexus 7. Google could've easily bumped this to 8 like with the stock launcher, but didn't bother.
Then there are Nexus 8 rumors. To me 8" is still too small and is noticeably smaller than a 10" tablet. You need only look at the iPad Mini and full size iPad to validate this opinion. However, Google might use that device as further justification to not bother with a 10" device, since 8" is "close enough" and a single tablet could garner more sales.
This seems like a poor decision to me though. As I said, Apple thinks there is good reason to have both 8" and 10" devices in play, and the market agrees with them. 10" tablets are THE next "PC" for average users. They do most things people could want, on a comfortably sized screen, especially when paired with a keyboard. The fact that iPad Airs are flying off shelves and increasingly used in enterprise proves this. If we are really "post-PC" and the iPad's dominance is going unchecked, why would Google give up on this size/form factor? Why not continually update the N10 and pair it with awesome keyboards and office apps to make it a real powerhouse? Samsung gets it and is doing exactly this - it seems Google is happy to let them handle it, despite its huge importance. What if Samsung takes it in a different direction that Google is unhappy with? They've been known to do this before.
Do you agree with this, or do think Google is still committed to the full size market, but just taking their time with an update? Keep in mind the software hints we have seen that indicate they are giving up.
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I agree with you in that I highly doubt there will ever be a 2nd gen Nexus 10. This is actually what pushed me to finally order my new N10 last week. I've always wanted one, but couldn't justify paying $500 for a 32GB when it first came out. I had an HP TouchPad at the time running CM that was able to hold me over for a while. Then, after buying my N5, the speed (or lack thereof) of the TouchPad was really starting to make itself evident. I lucked out and scored a 32GB N7 (2013) from Staples for $170 back in January, and it's a great tablet, but I was really missing the 10" screen. So last week, when I saw a deal (shout out to Slickdeals!) for a brand new 32GB N10 for $300, I had to jump on it. Yeah, it's over a year old, and it doesn't have the fastest specs compared to today's standards, but I didn't buy it run benchmarks on it. I don't even really play intense games either. My main uses are web-browsing, productivity apps and media consumption (mainly Blu-ray MKVs). And, obviously, since it's a Nexus, I can tinker to my heart's content.
One can easily say the Note 10.1 (2014) and Tab Pro 10.1 have better specs, but they both come running TouchWiz (which is a HUGE negative for me). Plus, I doubt development for either of these will ever come close to what the N10 has. My disdain for TouchWiz makes this decision even easier when looking at the prices of these tablets. With the 32GB Note 10.1 (2014) going for $550, and the 16GB Galaxy Tab Pro 10.1 (no 32GB option available) going for $450 (prices according to Amazon), I see a brand new 32GB N10 for $300 as nothing less than a no-brainer.
To wrap it up, even though Google may not be coming out with a new Nexus 10, I still feel comfortable buying one since the price is great, and I can see development continuing for this tablet for a good while. And worst-case scenario, if Google does come out with a new N10, I'll just sell my current one for an upgrade. If they don't, then I'll be glad I picked one up before it became unavailable.
schimm said:
I could never get used to the ten inch Android form factor. Too awkward to hold IMO either landscape or portrait. And the dimensions at that size just look odd when viewing the screen for anything but videos. Bought a N10 and returned it days later. That said the Samsung Note 8 is ergonomically excellent and great for viewing in portrait mode. Just needs higher resolution and it would have it all. But I like mine all the same. Still I need a large format tablet which is why I own the iPad Air. Tremendously light and has an excellent screen. They chopped the bezel size which makes it feel small but they didn't shrink the screen. This really is a killer pad just from a hardware technical perspective. On the other hand, don't like the iOS but what can you do. Android really needs to change the ten inch form factor.
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Yep, iOS is a huge bore, but you're right that the iPad hardware can't be beat. I don't mind the Nexus 10 form factor, but I do think the 4:3 iPad is a little more manageable and Android should try out that aspect ratio, I don't know why they've always only done 16:9.
charesa39 said:
I agree with you in that I highly doubt there will ever be a 2nd gen Nexus 10. This is actually what pushed me to finally order my new N10 last week. I've always wanted one, but couldn't justify paying $500 for a 32GB when it first came out. I had an HP TouchPad at the time running CM that was able to hold me over for a while. Then, after buying my N5, the speed (or lack thereof) of the TouchPad was really starting to make itself evident. I lucked out and scored a 32GB N7 (2013) from Staples for $170 back in January, and it's a great tablet, but I was really missing the 10" screen. So last week, when I saw a deal (shout out to Slickdeals!) for a brand new 32GB N10 for $300, I had to jump on it. Yeah, it's over a year old, and it doesn't have the fastest specs compared to today's standards, but I didn't buy it run benchmarks on it. I don't even really play intense games either. My main uses are web-browsing, productivity apps and media consumption (mainly Blu-ray MKVs). And, obviously, since it's a Nexus, I can tinker to my heart's content.
One can easily say the Note 10.1 (2014) and Tab Pro 10.1 have better specs, but they both come running TouchWiz (which is a HUGE negative for me). Plus, I doubt development for either of these will ever come close to what the N10 has. My disdain for TouchWiz makes this decision even easier when looking at the prices of these tablets. With the 32GB Note 10.1 (2014) going for $550, and the 16GB Galaxy Tab Pro 10.1 (no 32GB option available) going for $450 (prices according to Amazon), I see a brand new 32GB N10 for $300 as nothing less than a no-brainer.
To wrap it up, even though Google may not be coming out with a new Nexus 10, I still feel comfortable buying one since the price is great, and I can see development continuing for this tablet for a good while. And worst-case scenario, if Google does come out with a new N10, I'll just sell my current one for an upgrade. If they don't, then I'll be glad I picked one up before it became unavailable.
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Agree with all your points, the N10's specs have aged pretty well especially considering the speed at which Android moves. I bought mine at launch and it runs KitKat swiftly enough. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't get any updates post KitKat but I'll just throw CM on it then. I agree Samsung's software is still a turn-off, if it wasn't for that (and the prices) the new Samsung tablets would be more of a consideration.
Either way, though, Google does use Nexus to push their own experience (especially with the Nexus 5), and for this reason and considering the importance of the full-size tablet market, I don't see how they can logically abandon it.
Google is notorious for dropping hardware and software that don't meet expected numbers.
As for people talking about hardware updates needed and how other tablets have the latest and greatest.
None of it really matters. The general consumer isn't going to notice a increase in performance from a nexus 10 to a figurative nexus 10v2.
It literally does not matter. What matters is the software that runs the tablet and the display it comes on. The end user will be more likely to upgrade their tablet for the best software implementation and UI over tech specs they don't understand. Samsung has got this down with all their spiffy software. They still have the best hardware but none of it is really mentioned because the target audience doesn't care. The tech specs are reserved for the geeks and power users.
From my perspective no amount of hardware updates will justify upgrading from the nexus 10 as it has one of the best display resolutions and the hardware to run it flawlessly. What is a bump up in ghz going to achieve for what I use my tablet for? Or an updated gpu for games I don't play?
I suppose it matters what you use your tablet for but my guess is the majority of users use it for Web browsing and watching videos in HD which the n10 does spectacularly. I don't game on mine but when I do I have no issues with it. I also find that the more complex a game is on a tablet, the less enjoyable it is. Games like angry birds is fun as it's intuitive of tablets. Anything FPS related and such is a pain. I have my extremely expensive desktop for those kinds of games.
So in conclusion my best theory is that Google did not meet their quota for the nexus 10, there isn't a high enough demand unlike their phone products, and unless they can find an actual reason to update their device, I. E. New android software that requires a certain hardware upgrades to use, they're going to be content with a device that companies are still competing with over a year later. The very fact that the nexus 10 still reigns at the top with new tablets being put into the market should say a lot about the thought that went into the n10.
If someone can explain in depth what another similar 10" tablet can do better than the nexus 10 because of hardware superiority I will retract my statement.
The only thing I can think of that would justify a new n10 is if it had native 3d vision support since it's an entertainment device. That's the only thing this device can't do that I can think of at the moment.
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Ditto...
Proud owner of the Nexus10
You couldnt have explained That any better
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Darnell_Chat_TN said:
Does not answer my question you've quoted. I'm asking about OTA updates for the current N10 if it hits 18 months and no new N10 is released. Sorry for not mentioning I'm asking regarding OTA updates.
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Still running my N10 I got when they first came out. As far as OTA updates go it's anyboy's guess if/and/or when an update for KitKat will come for the device. KitKat runs great on this device, even in it's stock form. Throw a custom on it and it's even better. I have compared mine to a couple of friend's newer tabs running stock KitKat. Runs just as good if not better in some cases even with it's "OLD" specs.
Just my opinion and input.
I'm still using my n10. I would love to upgrade, but there just isn't anything that makes me want to spend the money. The samsung tabs are laggy. The Asus tabs are buggy. The apple tabs are... apple.