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Google Translation for the first (French) site:
A few weeks after the formalization of the iPad 2, Archos has reported on its fiscal 2010 and the prospects offered by the current year. If the French company back to green finance side, the year 2011 will undoubtedly hinge for the manufacturer of tablets. The Archos Generation 9 of tablets will be unveiled at next June, but some elements are already known.
They are no less than 6 new products touchscreen (5 "to 10") which added to the Archos line of tablet, a priori all Android. The manufacturer put a new structure combines thin plastic and lightweight metal. A new processor will also be a part: it is the ARM model A9 dual-core 1.6 GHz, billed as the most powerful to date, incorporated into a tablet.
Yes i heard it too!
that was clearly when i brought my A101 - everything is become to be old!
But i love my 101 and i'm dont gonna buy my an gen9 im waiting for 10/11.
Then hopefully some android devs can port the honeycomb version on gen9 to our gen8!
http://www.archos.com/corporate/investors/financial_doc/ARCHOS_2010_Results_en.pdf
Page 18, header reads, "4 key differentiators in Gen 9 tablets to be released in June 2011"
:O
it is real
i see this press presentation
and i wait more informations
Here is another article about these:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/20/sneak-peek-at-archos-gen-9-tablets-1-6-ghz-dual-core-a9-process/
I mean it looks cool, but I refuse to buy a new tablet every year. So I'll probably use my Gen8 101 until it dies and look for a new tablet whenever that happens. Right now it is just a consumption device anyway. Web surfing, e-mail, eBooks, etc...no need to get something new.
Exactly. Its not necessary to have these things constantly upgraded and driving up the price to own one. The point of a tablet was a smaller, cheaper, lighter alternative to a netbook for basic usage such as e-books, web surfing, email, etc.(Personal favorite use for my Archos A101T 16GB has been as a digital comic reader, thousands of my digital comics all in one place and the form factor is perfect scale for comics) as well as a decent portable media device. All the additions that they are making, are bells and whistles that won't dramatically improve my current experience.
For Gen 10 I bet they'll be using something like Tegra 3 with quad core configured Cortex A9, or maybe even A15 Eagle?
I think I'll pick one up in the summer as I currently don't have any devices. Biding my time :3
You lose your bet, man it'll be Rockchip, I'm sure.
Rockchip doesn't even have anything planned for ~2 years >_>
And at 1.6Ghz I think Archos is looking to use a modified OMAP 4440/4460, it looks like it's seemingly the closest
Gen9 better have at LEAST 1GB of RAM in order to stay competitive. There's no point having a fast processor if all you can do is run one app at a time...
Now that I sold my Gen8, I might consider one of these, but I think I learned a valuable lesson venturing into the tablet world. First, the tablet needs to be at least marginally future-proofed. In other words, come from a manufacturer with a good track record of updating the OS...OR....not use locked down proprietary crap so that devs like those on XDA can cook up newer ROMS. Second, it has to have the hardware to support not only the current generation of OS, but preferably what is anticipated for the next generation or two. So at least 1024mb of RAM, 32-64GB storage, dual-core processor with decent speed, etc.
So we will see how the Gen9's look when they really do come out.
The thing I like most about Archos is their media support though. They absolutely kill the competition on media support...which is pretty important when you look at this kind of device (at least for me).
I think it is more likely to have 2.3 that 3.0
If anyone's keen, I started a hardware modding thread for the Archos Gen9. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15668374#post15668374
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if the story is true and Motorola releases their XOOM / Everest tablet in 4 days, and its up to me.. ill be porting the honeycomb 3.0 to our tablet very,very fast..
at least its told here, its released with android honeycomb 3.0 but since Nvidia havent even posted their SDK for 3.0 on the tegra2 site, im not sure how reliabe it really is.. but lets just hope its true..
see here for the story and video preview.
another video
I feel confident we can adapt most apps and the OS, so please if you find more details or even a early system dump, don't hesitate to post it here..
God damnit, when you release honeycomb I will donate a hell lot of redbulls Go Dexter!
Just noticed yesterday they have a gingerbread-froyo branch on http://nv-tegra.nvidia.com/gitweb/
I think it will take a while until Google will release the source for Honeycomb. I doubt this will happen before the launch of the Motorola in February.
Honeycomb 3.0 on our folio, it sounds like a dream coming true (a)
weeds2000 said:
I think it will take a while until Google will release the source for Honeycomb. I doubt this will happen before the launch of the Motorola in February.
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if motorola is able to show the honeycomb running on their tegra2 tablet (or least saying it is) somehow the 3.0 is maybe only used internally now?
i don't think any video actually show the "version" number on their tablets, they're not like the community bragging alot showing release os pages or snaps
but lets hope it true.
I think Motorola and Google are working together on this. Motorola has access to the Honeycomb tree which has not been released to the public.
This is not uncommon in android history, as the Xoom will be the flagship device for Honeycomb, they have access to the source earlier.
This is the same as with he Motorola Droid and 2.0 or the Samsung Nexus S with 2.3
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I think Motorola and Google are working together on this. Motorola has access to the Honeycomb tree which has not been released to the public.
This is not uncommon in android history, as the Xoom will be the flagship device for Honeycomb, they have access to the source earlier.
This is the same as with he Motorola Droid and 2.0 or the Samsung Nexus S with 2.3
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This should be available soon! Google is talking in terms of weeks, and there's too many rumors and sneakpeaks to be a false positive!
The software for 3.0 will be retro compatible with earlier versions of android, but should take advantage of larger screens and faster processors.
We should remember that iPad 2 is to be release in February and Google must antecipate this in order to take the lead.
Toshiba is not very clear about folio 100 future update or not, and if it will be able to run honeycomb (except for processor part), but since toshiba is planning to release new tablet, personally I think it's gonna be only Gingerbread 2.3 for our folio 100, but I hope I'm wrong!!
The only hope for our folio 100 is xda dev forum and dexter
also folio 100 screen is not the best screen comparing to others cheap tablets, too bad from big company named Toshiba.
you can read this French test for folio 100 especially screen part over here Folio 100 test (google translation)
so wait and see..
Source: Honeycomb to Require Powerful Processor
Google's new Android Honeycomb tablet OS will require a dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 processor to run properly, said Bobby Cha, managing director of Korean consumer electronics firm Enspert.
That means that many existing Android tablets will not be upgradeable to Honeycomb, as they lack the processor necessary to meet the spec. Currently, Nvidia's Tegra 2 platform is the only chipset in products on the market to include a Cortex-A9, although other manufacturers have said they're moving to the new processor architecture for 2011 products.
A 1,280x720 screen resolution may also be necessary, although Cha affirmed that "Honeycomb does not require 10-inch [screens] ... it's going to go as small as 7 inch."
Google introduced Honeycomb running on a prototype Motorola device last month, but they've kept the hardware requirements under wraps. Cha also confirmed that the Motorola tablet would be the first to market with Honeycomb.
If this is true, Google will have two parallel software paths for tablets, at least for a while. With their Cortex-A8 processors and 1,024x600 screens, the popular Samsung Galaxy Tab line of Android tablets run the "Froyo" version of Android, 2.2, and can be updated to Gingerbread, 2.3, but not to Honeycomb.
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This could be true, but i don't think they will stick to a single screen resolution! From what i understand resolution is not the main issue, cpu and memory is. In the 2.3 we already have support for different screen resolution, i don't think 3.0 will be different.
I don't now about you people, but I really don't count on Toshiba.
1% chance that toshiba will keep supporting this tablet, 99% chance that people like Dexter will keep supporting the folio. (my opinion^^)
Before the folio I had bought a toshiba laptop for my little brother, it is a fine laptop and prece-quality it deserves an A+, but after the folio... I don't think i will ever buy something from toshiba again...
Hi all,
TechRadar is revealing some rumors that honeycomb will in fact be 2.4 and not the 3.0 we are expecting. I believe that this could be true because they still have to support the recently launched tablets.
Android 3.0 could be a lot different from android we know and require more specific hardware to run.
Regards,
Bastospn
Yeah also heard these rumours, and it indeed could make some sense:
2.3 -> Gingerbread update for all devices
2.4 -> Honeycomb -> Gingerbread codebase with tablet modifications
3.0 -> unification of both versions, new codebase
hope our folio can upgrade to honeycomb
asus unveil new honeycomb tablet on 4th jan 2011:
Android 3.0 (Honeycomb)
NVIDIA Tegra 2
512MB/1GB RAM
16/32GB eMMC
10.1" 1280x800 IPS
1.2 MP front/5 MP rear
USB Host 2.0 support
Headphone/mic-in/mini HDMI/SD card reader/1 internal microphone/stereo speakers/dock port
273x180x17.7mm/886g
This is good news, if we manage to port the firmware I mean.
I also don't believe that toshiba will update the android version on Folio. They could release some update with Flash within, but they will not spend to much time supporting this "old tablet". This is in my opinion very very sad, and if you compare this with Apple you start to think that despite being more expensive iPad could in fact be a better deal.
The good news is that android is opensource and we could trust in the community aid.
Regards,
Bastospn
bastospn said:
This is good news, if we manage to port the firmware I mean.
I also don't believe that toshiba will update the android version on Folio. They could release some update with Flash within, but they will not spend to much time supporting this "old tablet". This is in my opinion very very sad, and if you compare this with Apple you start to think that despite being more expensive iPad could in fact be a better deal.
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i honestly think the hardware do have minor bugs, which Toshiba knows and don't want to continue the relationship with that company so the new tablet is probably made by someone else and with better display.
but yes foundation was actually quite ok when it got modded
I agree that hardware wise Folio is quite a good deal (if you ignore the lousy LCD screen).
Regards,
Bastospn
I don't know if you have seen the video of Honeycomb released by Google.
It's available at Engadget.
The GUI is looking very good.
oh my god i want that gmail app !!!
From a hardware perspective or our folio is good enough to hande honeycomb. 512 ram and a Tegra 2 (reference for it rumored).
And looking at the specs of the new ta let it's just a folio with a new screen. But time will tell!
Any more details on Honeycomb? I can't wait to see it running on my Folio!
I'm looking to buy a tablet an I'm eyeing this cuz of great value so can u give me quick review on the tab
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right now, no, do not buy a Gtablet. They have not released any real updates since January. It's currently selling for about $260 on Woot and Tiger Direct sales.
My Stepfather just got an Acer Iconia at Staples with a $100 coupon. It's far superior to the Gtablet. It comes packaged with Android 3.0 (Honeycomb), is relatively young, meaning that you'll get at least a few more months of updates, the screen is better...blah, blah, blah.
All in all, the Gtablet is good, but not becuase of Viewsonic, but becuase of devs on forums like this one. The hardware is nice, nad the potential is there. But without help from Viewsonic, we will not have fully functional gingerbread or honeycomb.
Your best bet is to get somethign else.
TJEvans said:
right now, no, do not buy a Gtablet. They have not released any real updates since January. It's currently selling for about $260 on Woot and Tiger Direct sales.
My Stepfather just got an Acer Iconia at Staples with a $100 coupon. It's far superior to the Gtablet. It comes packaged with Android 3.0 (Honeycomb), is relatively young, meaning that you'll get at least a few more months of updates, the screen is better...blah, blah, blah.
All in all, the Gtablet is good, but not becuase of Viewsonic, but becuase of devs on forums like this one. The hardware is nice, nad the potential is there. But without help from Viewsonic, we will not have fully functional gingerbread or honeycomb.
Your best bet is to get somethign else.
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TJ is telling you the straight truth. There are many other options out there for you other than spending your money on a tablet that Viewsonic has simply walked away from after 6 months. You will be left with an orphaned tablet. If you could get it for $100.00 or so it would be a different story. I'm so upset with Viewsonic, I won't ever spend $.01 with them again.
might be worth it if its dirt cheap, cause there's lots of better tablets coming out. Still, this tablet can hold its own, has good specs and im running Honeycomb smoothly on it. Its not perfect yet, but its still a pretty good ROM. my only real gripe right now is the screen, check out some of the other tablets before jumping on this one. The Archos G9 80 and 101 will be out soon if you want a cheap tablet, they look really interesting and much better than their last tablets: 1.5 Ghz Dual Core CPU, 250gb hdd as an option, they will have the market, so no work arounds needed, unlike their last tablets and also the Gtablet.
Archos G9 Specs
If you can get a used one for less than $200, then it will still be a good buy.
I wouldn't count on an upgrade from Android 2.2 . But there may soon be the Linux MeeGo distro available for nVidia Tegra devices. If that happens this tablet will really be useful.
I just broke my G-Tab & was contemplating as to whether I should buy a replacement screen (if possible), a new one, or a different android tab altogether. In the end though after much debating & thinking about the android os in terms of out the box usage & functionality I decided to go with a Windows 7 based tablet. What drew me away from the G-Tab was not so much its hardware (screen excluded) but more-so its support from Viewsonic & androids ability to just "get it & go".
I'm not knocking the android o/s but it still has a long way to come to reach that level. All I can say is keep your mind open, look around, weigh the price vs specs vs features & don't dismiss other options in regards to the o/s.
I purchased my EXOPC off ebay for $475 & cannot be happier with the specs it lists (to name a few):
11.6 inch screen @ 1366 x 768 Resolution, 16:9 Wide-screen Ratio
Intel Atom Pineview-M N450, 1.66 GHz (supports 64-bit)
Storage Capacity 32 Gigabyte or 64 Gigabyte Solid State Drive (SSD)
2 Gigabytes DDR2 SDRAM
Intel GMA 3150 & Broadcom Crystal HD 1080p (supports up to 1080p high-definition video)
The biggest point though is the ability to run ALL windows apps on this bad boy as well as install Linux, MeeGo, Splashtop etc. etc.
Hi,
Just watched presentation of upcoming Toshiba Tab and Iahve to say I fell in love again (as with GT 10.1 which dissapointed me with itd SoC).
AT200 will be equipped with Ti OMAP4 4430 (1,2 Ghz) chip - the one with Netflix HD certificate. Has microSD slot, micro USB and HDMI. It is just 7,7 mm thick and very light.
What do you think....if you thinking of getting GT10.1 in few days would that make you wait?
And one more thing... Video transcoding - is it coming to an end???
I just bought my tab 4 days ago, don't want to even think about this tablet, I would've gotten it but too late now :/
Specs is one thing. What's important is real life performance and if there's any other possible flaw. Gtab actually looks not bad, but the software performance bogged it down. I'd by the time the Toshiba tablet is released, icecream sandwich may be released or close to be released. So unless the performance of the Toshiba tab is another class higher than grab, I see no point thinking too much about it.
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Looks almost identical to the Gtab! same resolution display too.... Won't be long before Apple will be taking Toshiba to the courts over this!! (or maybe Samsung will!??)
Please use the Q&A Forum for questions Thanks
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Serious_Beans said:
I just bought my tab 4 days ago, don't want to even think about this tablet, I would've gotten it but too late now :/
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I looked at the Engadget review and the tablet looked pretty slow to me, I might be wrong. I'm very happy with my P7510 running on a vanilla 3.1 Honeycomb (soon to run on PhantomHacker's 3.2 vanilla ROM) and I'm looking forward to see Ice Cream on it.
The thing is, we will never purchase a tablet if we wait for the next "big one" to come out. Technology changes so fast that is not worth to trouble yourself. Just enjoy the tablet and use it to death, I personally think that my Tab 10.1 is an excellent product.
Well, I am not waiting for the next big one but just for one that does not have Tegra2 inside, looks OK, has I/O's I want and 3G connectivity.
So, just to have something for now I bought iPad 1 3G few weeks ago. As it is very limited device I was waiting for it to get right price. $350 for new one on warranty is OK. Now I can wait till end of the year to get Excite or Holiday or TF2 or Xoom2.... Will see.
If you want to wait, an alternative would be the HP Touchpad for $99 (fire sale instead of $499). It runs on WebOS which is awesome and I'm pretty sure someone will make an Android ROM for it eventually. Don't expect a great quality build, though.
The Tosh looks very nice, another weapon in the Android armoury. I'm still very happy with my Samsung 16Gb Wifi.
yqed said:
If you want to wait, an alternative would be the HP Touchpad for $99 (fire sale instead of $499). It runs on WebOS which is awesome and I'm pretty sure someone will make an Android ROM for it eventually. Don't expect a great quality build, though.
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It would be all true if folks like me could actually get it.
IMHO if you want (especially 3G) tablet now, good one, for reasonable price, just to keep you going till the one you really want is out iPad1 seems like a great deal.
Does most of the stuff Tegra 2 tablets do, has 3G and new one can still be found pretty cheap (half of the zoom price for example). And form me video capabilities all almost the same.
There will be always something new and better than what's available currently in the market. By the time Toshiba excite gets released to the market, even more better tablet with awesome specs will be shown at a new tech show taking place anywhere on this planet Earth.
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galtom said:
Hi,
Just watched presentation of upcoming Toshiba Tab and Iahve to say I fell in love again (as with GT 10.1 which dissapointed me with itd SoC).
AT200 will be equipped with Ti OMAP4 4430 (1,2 Ghz) chip - the one with Netflix HD certificate. Has microSD slot, micro USB and HDMI. It is just 7,7 mm thick and very light.
What do you think....if you thinking of getting GT10.1 in few days would that make you wait?
And one more thing... Video transcoding - is it coming to an end???
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I'm feeling exactly the same as you. The size and weight of the GT 10.1 was perfect but the poor video decoding performance of the Tegra 2 and lack of MicroSD card slot was a real let down. The AT200 seems like it will be perfect for me (assuming the OMAP proc is a lot better for video decoding). I just hope it comes out real soon to the UK market. If they delay it too long then I may be put off with official specs of ICS tablets.
It is the same SOC as in new Archos G9 series (like them but they look "cheap") and they say it will "Play" anything and everything. ;-)
Dont even think about getting the tab 10.
The Ti OMAP4 4430 in the toshiba is far superior to Tegra 2.
Ti OMAP4 4430 has A9 cores with Neon processing. Tergra 2 does not have the Neon processing and will be much slower when running apps which use Neon code and alot of apps are starting to use it.
Ti OMAP4 4430 has DUAL channel memory controller. Tegra 2 only has a single channel. Since video memory is shared, dual channel will give double the memory bandwidth which is highly needed since video memory is shared from system memory.
Ti OMAP4 4430 has SUPERIOR video decoding hardware compared to tegra 2. You can finally play real HD 1080p video. Tegra 2 decoder is so slow it cant decode main and high HD profiles which is what everyone uses.
For the newcomers to this forum, don't put much stock in anything ^ this person says. He's a known troll who will say one thing in one thread and then turn around and say the exact opposite in another.
On topic, the Excite looks like a nice machine. Do we have a US release date for it yet?
ouch! Guessing no one has the actually specs on this tab yet, looks decent size wise.
mankoorb said:
ouch! Guessing no one has the actually specs on this tab yet, looks decent size wise.
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Full specs have been released.
Does it have an amazing screen like the Samsung SPLS? Screen quality along with weight is what made my decision. However im disappointed in the current state of honeycomb/tablet apps. I would expect apps like Google+ to have the hangout video support. Lack of skype video is also a huge downer. My older samsung galaxy 7 also had way better video playing support.
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For the newcomers to this forum, don't put much stock in anything ^ this person says. He's a known troll who will say one thing in one thread and then turn around and say the exact opposite in another.
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This is a false statement. Never ever have I contradicted myself. Never.
MMcCraryNJ said:
On topic, the Excite looks like a nice machine. Do we have a US release date for it yet?
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No, but don't worry, I do not think Europe has one either .
And two facts:
1. OMAP is a definitely better SOC than Tegra 2 - no arguing here. The only thing at which Tegra 2 might be better (we will have to wait and see, but I doubt it myself) is energy management.
I am worried about battery life of a tablet with 1,2 - 1,5 Ghz clock.
2. It will be cheaper in US than in EU - fact.
Now, one more "issue" we might encounter by the time it is in the shops. What will be a better choice - tablet with Omap4 or Tegra3/Kal-El with 4 cores and new architecture? (unless nvidia made an intel trick or the one they do with graphic cards - Tegra 3 is two Tegra 2 cpu's on a single chip - this would suck I think)
First off, I do not want this to be an ultra negative thread. While I have not used the Prime, I'm sure that it's overall the best Android tablet yet.
Basically, going into the holiday season, the Prime became the #1 thing on my Christmas list. I started to get super hyped for it after doing a lot of research, and that lasted a long time. But over the last 2 weeks, my interest went way down. The first big reason was obviously obtaining one in the first place. I won't focus on that, however, since we're all familiar with the issue.
The other major reason for holding off on a tablet purchase was the Prime itself. I consider the Prime to be the first true Android competitor to the iPad, and also to be the first (sorta) 2nd gen Android tab. But, for me, the definition of a new generation is having an increase in almost all specs and a consequent improvement in performance. That's where I'm hesitant. The Prime still has just 1 GB of RAM, a pretty poor GPU, the same resolution as always, and some other things that aren't any different from 1st gen Android tabs. It's more like a 1.8th generation Android tab to me. Definitely on another level than the 1st gen, but not quite fully 2nd gen to me.
Don't get me wrong, I think the Prime is awesome and extremely tempting. But my desire started to wane when I heard reports that I can be confident that by around March there should be some Android tabs with 2 GB of RAM, much higher resolution, better GPUs, and sometime during 2012 there will be A15 processors out. I know a lot of people will say that this is how mobile tech always is, that there is always something better soon, but for me I feel like it's worth the wait to reach a fully new generation. Anyone else in the same boat as me? Or are most people caving in to how tempting and awesome the Prime is lol?
I'm buying a prime, if something wayyyy better comes out that is support tempting to upgrade, then I will sell the prime on craigslist and buy the new tab.
I used my original transformer (now sold) at school a lot so the kb dock is a must have for me, and most likely other tabs won't have as great kb implementation, so im probably in a different situation as someone who just wants the tab and they may be more easily tempted to switch.
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I got my Prime and so far I love it. I don't think there will be better android tables in the near future since none have been announced. I know Samsung likes to take its sweet time to release new products, but having said that, if they come with a better tablet I will have no problem selling the Prime to get the new one. I do it all the time.
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There's always something new and better coming out every 3 months if I held out I would never have a tablet!
Short answer: Not yet.
But seriously, there are several reasons I feel that the Prime is a serious contender to iPad and something that can be called 2nd generation Android Tablet.
First, granted that a bump in the amount of RAM would be great, but in reality we should look at how well optimized the system should be for a given amount of memory. Slapping memory in when it only increases costs while doing very little good to the system performance is a step back in my opinion and 1GB should be plenty for a tablet with optimized OS. I also feel that Honeycomb is to blame right now as to how it utilizes its system resources.
On the CPU front, a quad core at lower clocks, made on a mature A9 process rather than a new A15 one makes more sense to me. The 4 cores+companion core and its implications on the battery along with the long term implications on the multi threaded applications far outweigh the initial performance improvements due to the bumped up frequency on a dual core.
The higher resolution would be interesting, but the question is if we really need 2k+ resolutions on a tablet screen. Does it really make sense to stress the GPU out for such little difference in the visual output from a tablet? Granted I could think of this improvement in the third generation devices, when the GPU is actually able to handle this with 3D gaming smoothly without heating up, but I still think it is wasteful beyond a certain level of ppi. I would much rather throw all that GPU horsepower behind better 3D rendering.
I agree on the GPU front that tegra 3 is lagging, but when we look at tablets we must remember that the experience is a sum total from CPU and GPU working in tandem. It is very difficult to bump up both the CPU and GPU specs to insane levels while keeping the price point that Asus is keeping (unlike Motorola with their horribly spec'd and priced Xyboard). I had hoped though that Nvidia would finally get their GPU to Unified architecture on tablet front like their Desktop GPUs- That would have been absoultely great with the 12 GPU processing cores in the Kal-el. But it is true that GPU is lacking right now.
Ultimately though what will make or break this tablet will be ICS. Everyone is more interested with the kind of experience that one gets on a tablet, not the hardware behind it. I feel and hope that the final melding of the mobile and tablet paths of android will give us improvements on that end. I also think that the way Asus, Nvidia and Google have been working on ICS we should see some interesting improvements on Tegra 3 with ICS. For me, Prime seems to be the best choice going ahead even with the upcoming CES.
calin75 said:
I I don't think there will be better android tables in the near future since none have been announced.
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Pegatron lands orders for Lenovo quad-core tablet PC
Aaron Lee, Taipei; Joseph Tsai, DIGITIMES [Monday 19 December 2011]
Pegatron Technology reportedly has landed orders from Lenovo for its quad-core LePad tablet PC, which is set to enter mass production after the Lunar New Year in January, according to sources from the upstream supply chain.
Specifications include the all new NVIDIA’s Tegra 3 processor which will be clocked at 1.6 GHz, 2 GB of DDR3 RAM, and a high resolution display (1900x1200). It is also reported to have a full sized USB port, two cameras and a “Special Fusion Skin Body”.
In response to the report, Pegatron said it would not comment on matters concerning individual clients.
Currently, Lenovo's LePad sales are only behind those of Apple's iPad in China with the volume already reaching 160,000 units in the second quarter and a market share of 8.4%, the sources said.
Pegatron was originally the upstream partner of Germany-based Medion, but as Medion was acquired by Lenovo earlier in 2011, Pegatron was able to enter into Lenovo's supply chain and may even have chances to land notebook orders from Lenovo in the future after succeding in receiving tablet PC orders, the sources said.
In addition to Lenovo, Pegatron reportedly also has received orders from Acer and Toshiba for 2012, but the company has again declined to comment on client-related matters.
For the fourth quarter, Pegatron's quarterly profit will have a chance of reaching NT$1 billion (US$32.93 million), or an EPS of NT$0.4. Its EPS for the first three quarters of the year was negative NT$0.38.
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T2's memory bandwidth and GPU was bottleneck for Honeycomb. The improvement on T3 might be just enough for 1280*800, but not good enough 1920*1200.
Anyway, that's just pure speculation. It would be interesting to see the actual products coming with T3 on 1920*1200
No, I don't have a first-generation tablet for it to be an upgrade from, and I'm interested in it first and foremost for the keyboard dock.
I admit I'd prefer to have more RAM, though 1GB is probably sufficient. But the resolution doesn't bother me much: I'd rather have the dock than a higher-resolution screen.
i'm more than happy with the prime thus far, to wait for potential new devices (none of which are around the corner) is to never buy anything because there's always rumors of devices "coming soon". being that the prime has had so many issues getting out of the gate, one could reasonably assume OEM's trying to push all these new panels (1200p, 1080p, 2000p) are going to have some major supply issues and are going to cost more than the prime does with dock.
in the gen1 round, asus was really the only oem who figured out people won't buy your tablet if you price it the same as an ipad and don't offer anything over the excellent ecosystem apple has created for their device, plus the apple logo > all in the mainstreams mind.
as for 2gb of ddr3 over 1gb of ddr2, if ICS can optimize the OS as much as google seems to be promising, then i'm just fine with 1GB.
the real kicker for the prime vs any other tablet is the dock, if it's something you want to use in that fashion, there is no other tablet out there that can compete in that area aside from the tf101.
the tegra3 soc as a whole seems to be running things just fine, until we really see some really AAA games for android, i don't see any problems with it's GPU. and by the time that happens, we'll all have moved on to (or at least i will have) gen3 tablets anyways and be running android 6.0
personally, the dock + having it now + asus' design and general build quality (this thing is THIN and solid) make me not really care about anything lenovo or samsung are going to put out in the next 4 months. (if they put out anything in that time frame at all)
but i already own a prime, so maybe i have some bias in my view
I realy want to get the prime, but i'm afraid to order and get a wifi/gps/screen leeck one. Im gonna wait abit untill the others comeout[lenovo,acer] maybe the price will drop and the units will finnaly have everything working.
If you're waiting for the price to drop. You'll be waiting a year at least.
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This screw up on Asus' part is unacceptable in my opinion Johnny Shih announced this thing over two months ago at AsiaD and from that point on they should have been manufacturing these things 24/7 since then to meet the demand. But they obviously didn't because they couldn't even fulfill the initial preorders. If they can't fulfill the initial pre-orders how are they supposed to meet the ACTUAL demand of the entire market. I'm not giving up on this thing because I can't phyisically get it. I'm giving up because by the time they actually do meet demand, Tegra 4 processors will be PRIMED for release.
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I guess everyone gets caught up in the specs wars but as far as the ram goes I think one gig of ram is plenty for the prime.Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the the original ipad only have half a gig of ram & it runs as smooth as silk?? If the Ipad ran sluggish people would say it needed more ram.But the software is just optimized for that amount of ram & that's why people compare every tablet to the ipad. I've seen videos of ICS running on the nexus & it's very fluid.ICS is the software that's been so badly needed that's why Asus wanted the Prime to ship with it.
i was not impressed with the primes hardware, software or screen. IMO my HP Touchpad runs better, good roms and screen colors are better.
selling it. dont become negative this is just my conclusion after testing each side by side. the primes price makes it not worth it to me considering the HP Touchpad does everything I would use the prime for but better and it was $300 cheaper.
vitalero said:
I realy want to get the prime, but i'm afraid to order and get a wifi/gps/screen leeck one. Im gonna wait abit untill the others comeout[lenovo,acer] maybe the price will drop and the units will finnaly have everything working.
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I understand feeling this way. My Prime will be delivered on Wednesday and based on the various threads I have been concerned that there could be problems. This will be my first tablet and just like buying a laptop or anything electronic if there is a problem I will simply exchange it or have it repaired. I am not going to let the concern about a problem that may not exist on my tablet to keep me from getting one. FWIW.
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i was not impressed with the primes hardware, software or screen. IMO my HP Touchpad runs better, good roms and screen colors are better.
selling it. dont become negative this is just my conclusion after testing each side by side. the primes price makes it not worth it to me considering the HP Touchpad does everything I would use the prime for but better and it was $300 cheaper.
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Can you please stop posting that the whole time in every topic? Your HP Touchpad isn't running Honeycomb, so that isn't making sense at all. Thanks.
You ask if we are still getting the Prime after hearing that it isnt perfect?
I ask back: Why did you want to get it in the first place? I guess only you can answer that and see if it justifies the cost.
For me its pretty simple. I never had a Tablet before because the iPad doesnt offer the features i'm looking for. And i have a general rule not to buy first gen stuff. For obvious reasons i think (mainly because the companies are experimenting with stuff in 1st gen).
Along came the prime, offering everything i was looking for while not being a 1st gen device. Sure there will be better tablets in the future, with different features like screen resolution, but its the 2nd gen tablet from asus. End of story Again what features are required to make it 2nd gen? Resolution? Cpu clock? Amount of Ram?
For me being light and thin is one of the most important things on a Tablet. There is no other tablet as thin and light as the Prime, while still having all the features.
My post is getting long :/ But my last point is: Dont judge the software in its current state. It was planned as a ICS tablet but HC was needed to meet the release date. I would have been surprised if it was without bugs... I even expect some problems when ICS comes out simply because its still very new. If you want a system that is fully matured you have to go with iPad. Apple has a year more of experience with tablets than Android and the software is extremly minimalistic (->fewer bugs).
I intend to keep my Prime for quite some time. And i know that one year from now it will have none of the software problems it might has now.
But it will still have that keyboard dock with USB/SDcard, good if not better battery life than now (software optimizations!), many awesome Tegra3 games, good camera, light and thin etcetcetc.
I've used the original Transformer since launch day (I was fortunate to get it when within 3 minutes of when it came available on Amazon, and so skipped these shenanigans; I had no idea how frustrating it was). My opinion is that a typical 10" tablet (and I'm including the iPad 2 here) is of marginal value TO ME (only speaking for myself here) without the kind of integrated keyboard dock that's available for the Transformer/Prime.
I say this because other than writing notes and rough drafts (I don't consider ANY tablet ready for complex document creation of any kind), I don't find a 10" tablet of much use. I'd much rather have a 7" tablet for everything else I use the tablet form factor for, such as ebook reading, RSS reading, casual browsing, and casual gaming. And if I were to get a 7" tablet, I'd see no reason to spend more than the $199 or $249 for the Kinde Fire or Nook Tablet.
That said, the keyboard dock really does change the equation for me. It gives me something I can take to all-day meetings and use for taking notes, without the slightest concern about battery life. It also lets me pop the tablet into the dock when I'm researching at night in bed and want to write something quickly--and I can do it without needing to grab a notebook tray because the dock/tablet combo generates no heat and has no vents to cover.
So for me, the Prime seems like the perfect device. Faster than my Transformer and with a brighter screen so I can read it outdoors on my back porch (very important to me since I live in SoCal and we get lots of sun), and thinner/lighter so it's more comfortable for ebook reading. It's fine for casual gaming and video, and then for all the other things I use a tablet for.
I don't care about specs like 2GB RAM vs. 1GB RAM, because I've found my Transformer to perform well enough as it is. I also don't care about higher resolution screens, because I'd much rather have the additional brightness and battery savings. And, I like the $499 price for 32GB (vs. $599 for the iPad 2 and the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 when it first came out). I don't want to spend more than that for a tablet, and I guarantee these higher-spec'd devices WILL cost more unless they have an Apple icon on them.
Finally, although we can knock ASUS for their questionable tablet product launches, we can't knock them for how they've supported the Transformer after the fact. The Transformer was always a very close second to the Xoom in getting the latest versions of Honeycomb, and ASUS was quick to fix any issues introduced by new firmware versions. They've provided a great mix of features without heavy skinning of Honeycomb. They'll also be the first, I'm sure, to release ICS, and they'll do it for both the Prime and the original Transformer.
That kind of support is worth quite a bit to me. My wife JUST got Honeycomb 3.2 on her Galaxy Tab 10.1, and I'm guessing it'll be Q2 before she sees ICS. We're pretty much guaranteed to get ICS on the Prime in January. Does anyone really see Lenovo or anyone else providing that level of support? I don't...
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I guess everyone gets caught up in the specs wars but as far as the ram goes I think one gig of ram is plenty for the prime.Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the the original load only have half a gig of ram & it runs as smooth as silk??
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My concern about RAM comes from my SGS, which has 512MB. That's enough for any particular task, but I find that it's poor at multitasking, especially where the browser is concerned. The RAM isn't sufficient for browser + much anything else, so starting the browser kicks other applications out of memory, and leaving it means returning to the browser requires reloading any open pages.
I do think that 1GB will probably be enough though. How much RAM does the Prime have free for applications?
jzen said:
i was not impressed with the primes hardware, software or screen. IMO my HP Touchpad runs better, good roms and screen colors are better.
selling it. dont become negative this is just my conclusion after testing each side by side. the primes price makes it not worth it to me considering the HP Touchpad does everything I would use the prime for but better and it was $300 cheaper.
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If you supposedly sold your prime (that as far as I am concerned you may or may not have ever owned) then why are you still trolling these threads. Go back to the TP threads. For the record I'm no Asus fanboy; I'm just tired of reading your trollish posts...Load CM7 on this supposed Prime that you have sold or are selling and then do the comparison of your discontinued tab vs the Prime.
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I'm trying, (probably lot many people) to decide between the current dual core tabs and the quad core.
I will be using this tablet for most anything you can use a tablet for - lots of art applications, streaming movies and music (flash required), some sort of g-sensor/accelerometer, and bluetooth, as I already have a good bluetooth keyboard that pairs nicely with my Android Phone.
I currently own the Acer A500 but I'm still within my return period. I'm strongly leaning towards returning it and getting a quad-core tab but I like the features such as the full size usb port and I want to be able to use that for an external HD for movies, music, etc. Of course, a lot of web surfing will be included. I will be using it for some office features but mostly through Google Docs, as that's what I use on my current mini-notebook (which I'll probably get rid of once I have the tablet decided on for sure). Price is a thought but I want a 10" inch screen and front facing camera so I can use internet video chat, etc. which I think means I'm in the $500 dollar general price range.
I find the Asus Prime intriguing but I'd like to have a USB port without having to have the dock to get it. I read somewhere about either Toshiba or Lenovo coming out with a quad-core with full size usb but I can't find the release date on it now. I'm willing to wait a bit, but also know there is always something better around the corner and at some point I need to just pull the trigger as they say. Some people want to know about basic computer literacy...I'm comfortable with Android and some basic rooting etc - have had an Android phone for 2 years and followed the development closely for some time prior to that. I've rooted my phone & my husband's from about the first week we had them. In addition, I used to run a triple boot laptop with two linux distros and a Windows install so I'm fairly comfortable with the ins and out of doing something like that.
I guess my questions are, has anyone heard of any release dates for quad-core tabs beyond the Asus Prime? Are there any other tabs that you'd say "forget the quad core and go for... instead?" Any info on release dates (other than the general sometime in 2012 would be uber cool to hear).
Oh, I'll also be using it in the hospital quite a bit with multiple surgeries coming up and digital magazines and e-books are definitely part of what I'll be using it for.
Thanks so much in advance! I look forward to your advice!!
Rae
You DEFINITELY don't need a quad-core phone if you are mostly looking for reading books and watching movies.
Look for tablets with extended battery life (larger batteries).
Also you might want to take a look at eReaders on which CyanogenMod has been ported, allowing you to run Android on devices with awesome displays for extended reading.
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Ainol Elf II. 'Nuff said.