The topic is fairly straight forward. I don't want to take away from what the V30 offers but it seems like a fair question and discussion to have with so many other phones coming out in the same time frame.
Today, Razer finally announced their Razer phone and it is available for pre-order with an estimated delivery date of November 17th. The US998 non-carrier version of the V30 is currently estimated to finally be available on December 5th. The Razer phone costs $699US where the V30 costs $800US. That said, here are the bands supported by the Razer phone. Yeah, no CDMA.
GSM: Quad-band GSM UMTS: B1/2/3/4/5/8
LTE: B1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/17/19/20/25/26/28/29/30/66
TDD LTE: B38/39/40/41 TD-SCDMA: B34/39
With 8GB of RAM, a 120Hz screen with adjustable refresh rate, SD835, dual front-facing speakers with Dolby Atmos, and a 4000mAh battery, and even a THX certified DAC, although through a USB-C to headphone adapter that comes in the box. Stock Android (N) with an update to Oreo early next year and 2 years of software updates, Nova Launcher Prime as the stock launcher, SIM unlocked out of the box, and... here's the kicker. Unlockable bootloader that hasn't been stripped of fastboot commands!
The V30 seems to offer the better rear camera experience, at least from what I have seen so far. The front-facing camera might be a bit different though with the Razer phone having an 8MP front-facing camera. The V30 definitely has the better style and look to it though, although aesthetics are purely personal taste. The V30 (H932SV) supports T-Mobile's 600MHz band 71 where the Razer phone doesn't and I haven't heard of anyone mentioning WiFi Calling and VoLTE support as of yet. The V30 also offers wireless charging but the Razer phone offers Quick Charge 4+.
So... Does anyone think there is still a reason to buy a V30, especially at the current pricing of $800US?
i'd NEVER ever again buy a phone with huge bezels like that razer phone has. the thing looks like a block. the design is really as bad as it could possibly be
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i'd NEVER ever again buy a phone with huge bezels like that razer phone has. the thing looks like a block. the design is really as bad as it could possibly be
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I totally understand that. The look of it... It does look like a brick. That is the hard thing about it. It has a lot of other things going right for it but... it's just damn ugly!
No Qi wireless, no sale.
That's my line in the sand whether an OEM really wants my money.
But I like the battery and front-facing speakers. LG should copy that! No reason any phone with a 6" screen can't have 4000 mAh battery. My 5.2" Moto XT1225 (1440p AMOLED) has a 3900 mAh battery!
hmmm... there are trade offs depending on what you are after on a device. I got my t-mobile v30 for $600 brand new so I suppose it's a pretty decent deal.
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hmmm... there are trade offs depending on what you are after on a device. I got my t-mobile v30 for $600 brand new so I suppose it's a pretty decent deal.
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$600 for a V30 would sell me, especially from T-Mobile. For me, wireless charging doesn't matter all that much but the look of that brick just seems like such a step backwards in phone design. I get that it is based off of the Nexbit Robin but still. Razer could have done better design wise. Just about everything else ticks all of the right things for me. If you don't mind me asking. How did you get $200 off of the full price of the V30 from T-Mobile?
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$600 for a V30 would sell me, especially from T-Mobile. For me, wireless charging doesn't matter all that much but the look of that brick just seems like such a step backwards in phone design. I get that it is based off of the Nexbit Robin but still. Razer could have done better design wise. Just about everything else ticks all of the right things for me. If you don't mind me asking. How did you get $200 off of the full price of the V30 from T-Mobile?
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I found a seller on craigslist in my local area. He said he won it a raffle from work and doesn't need it.
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I found a seller on craigslist in my local area. He said he won it a raffle from work and doesn't need it.
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Nice! Enjoy it! It's definitely an excellent device and you have band 71 to get the best performance out of the 600MHz network as it starts to go live.
It seems like 2017 is the year for great competition in the smartphone market. For the price and value however, I find the Essential Phone very competitive. I saw a number of refurbished models on eBay for $390 or so. Possibly return units that look quite flawless. No headphone jack though.
Jcsww, what phone are you thinking of getting?
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It seems like 2017 is the year for great competition in the smartphone market. For the price and value however, I find the Essential Phone very competitive. I saw a number of refurbished models on eBay for $390 or so. Possibly return units that look quite flawless. No headphone jack though.
Jcsww, what phone are you thinking of getting?
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I want a V30. It's just there are so many inaccuracies about the bands supported in each model of the V30. I am currently up in Canada so everything sold up here is the H933 model. Each carrier up here lists different band support which also conflicts with what LG directly told me. I'd rally like the unlocked US998 but December 5th is a bit far away to wait and the price of it seems to be too high for what is out there for competition. Band 71 would be a bonus as a T-Mobile customer but for the right price, I'd forget about it until my next upgrade. According to B&H, the US998's non-carrier version band support sucks! I would like to be able to root my device but I also think I could potentially live without root if I got the H932SV from T-Mobile.
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...December 5th is a bit far away to wait and the price of it seems to be too high for what is out there for competition.
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I'd like to think that by Dec 5, LG will have dropped the priced (given the added competition and mixed reviews), and/or there will be some sweet sales.
I'm a Verizon customer and can take advantage of the $200 gift card and free Daydream headset, but I'm likely going to hold out for the unlocked model to see how well that plays on Verizon's network. I'm fairly confident I'll find a better deal than what Verizon is offering at the moment.
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The topic is fairly straight forward. I don't want to take away from what the V30 offers but it seems like a fair question and discussion to have with so many other phones coming out in the same time frame.
Today, Razer finally announced their Razer phone and it is available for pre-order with an estimated delivery date of November 17th. The US998 non-carrier version of the V30 is currently estimated to finally be available on December 5th. The Razer phone costs $699US where the V30 costs $800US. That said, here are the bands supported by the Razer phone. Yeah, no CDMA. [emoji14]
GSM: Quad-band GSM UMTS: B1/2/3/4/5/8
LTE: B1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/17/19/20/25/26/28/29/30/66
TDD LTE: B38/39/40/41 TD-SCDMA: B34/39
With 8GB of RAM, a 120Hz screen with adjustable refresh rate, SD835, dual front-facing speakers with Dolby Atmos, and a 4000mAh battery, and even a THX certified DAC, although through a USB-C to headphone adapter that comes in the box. Stock Android (N) with an update to Oreo early next year and 2 years of software updates, Nova Launcher Prime as the stock launcher, SIM unlocked out of the box, and... here's the kicker. Unlockable bootloader that hasn't been stripped of fastboot commands!
The V30 seems to offer the better rear camera experience, at least from what I have seen so far. The front-facing camera might be a bit different though with the Razer phone having an 8MP front-facing camera. The V30 definitely has the better style and look to it though, although aesthetics are purely personal taste. The V30 (H932SV) supports T-Mobile's 600MHz band 71 where the Razer phone doesn't and I haven't heard of anyone mentioning WiFi Calling and VoLTE support as of yet. The V30 also offers wireless charging but the Razer phone offers Quick Charge 4+.
So... Does anyone think there is still a reason to buy a V30, especially at the current pricing of $800US?
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So I see that you put all of the details of the upcoming Razer phone. Are you asking if the V30 is a better buy over the Razer phone? Well what are you looking for in a phone?
Really big phone=Razer
Screen to size ratio=V30
Best headphone audio=V30
Great sounding stereo speakers=Razer
Price=Razer
Carrier compatibility=V30
Wi-Fi calling (TMO)=V30
Volte calling (TMO)=V30
Screen=Razer
8Gb RAM [emoji3]=Razer
Gaming=Razer
Smoothness=Razer
I'm sure there is more but that's what I've got so far.
I know the wait for the unlocked sucks but fact of the matter is that manufacturers worry about carrier versions first and no-brands second. Unless you have some weird or obscure carrier you can probably have a carrier phone tomorrow so the wait for the unlock is on you.
I'd say wait for the V30. After a couple months the Razer phone will be as cool and desirable as a Marshall London phone.
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No Qi wireless, no sale.
That's my line in the sand whether an OEM really wants my money.
But I like the battery and front-facing speakers. LG should copy that! No reason any phone with a 6" screen can't have 4000 mAh battery. My 5.2" Moto XT1225 (1440p AMOLED) has a 3900 mAh battery!
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replying to my own post -- also NO headphone jack.
Somewhat scathing review:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/1/...ndroid-gaming-specs-release-date-price-photos
Razer Phone announced with huge bezels, no headphone jack, and dubious gamer cred
...the absence of its headphone jack. It’s that last element that strikes me as a major contradiction: Razer’s supposedly gamer-friendly device is lacking easy connectivity to a gamer’s most essential peripheral after the controller. Inside the Razer Phone box you’ll find a THX-certified audio dongle that lets you hook up headphones and promises 24-bit “audiophile-quality” sound, but that’s a weird compromise on a device that’s supposed to be about no-compromise gaming performance.
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The device is priced at $700 in the US (or €750 in Europe, £700 in the UK) and sold directly from Razer’s online store or Amazon.com, with a ship date of November 17th with online reservations opening today. That price tag means the Razer Phone is entering the most premium and competitive segment of the smartphone market. It’s going up against brilliantly designed pieces of hardware like the Galaxy Note 8, LG V30, HTC U11, OnePlus 5, and Huawei Mate 10 Pro. All of them have specs to match Razer’s, aside from that new screen; many of them have eliminated the bezels; and the majority also have headphone jacks.
Why should you buy the Razer Phone ahead of all that great competition? Maybe Razer has a compelling answer, but after my experience with its new device, I can’t identify it.
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I'd like to think that by Dec 5, LG will have dropped the priced (given the added competition and mixed reviews), and/or there will be some sweet sales.
I'm a Verizon customer and can take advantage of the $200 gift card and free Daydream headset, but I'm likely going to hold out for the unlocked model to see how well that plays on Verizon's network. I'm fairly confident I'll find a better deal than what Verizon is offering at the moment.
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I agree that a price drop is definitely needed and sooner than later. LG doesn't seem to understand what they are doing though. The V30's hype was ruined by delays and a reveal too early compared to the release date. When I see a phone debuted, I want to buy it shortly after, not months later. The more time that passes, the more other things are closer to release. CES and MWC are not too long after the holiday season.
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So I see that you put all of the details of the upcoming Razer phone. Are you asking if the V30 is a better buy over the Razer phone? Well what are you looking for in a phone?
Really big phone=Razer
Screen to size ratio=V30
Best headphone audio=V30
Great sounding stereo speakers=Razer
Price=Razer
Carrier compatibility=V30
Wi-Fi calling (TMO)=V30
Volte calling (TMO)=V30
Screen=Razer
8Gb RAM [emoji3]=Razer
Gaming=Razer
Smoothness=Razer
I'm sure there is more but that's what I've got so far.
I know the wait for the unlocked sucks but fact of the matter is that manufacturers worry about carrier versions first and no-brands second. Unless you have some weird or obscure carrier you can probably have a carrier phone tomorrow so the wait for the unlock is on you.
I'd say wait for the V30. After a couple months the Razer phone will be as cool and desirable as a Marshall London phone.
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Headphone audio going to the V30 is debatable. No one has really tested the Razer audio from the 24-bit DAC Razer is using enough to post a review of it, at least not yet. I don't care about gaming on a phone either and I don't know many that actually do but I am sure someone does. The screen on the Razer phone has got to have better viewing angles over the V30. The ability to speed up the processor and adjust the refresh rate and resolution are all nice aspects on a stock Android experience. Even though the Razer phone looks like a ginormous greyish black brick, the specs and price have left the V30, at least in my opinion, looking stupid with their too late for a flagship release. LG has managed to tease me with a product I really wanted and then has made me not want it by the time I could actually get it.
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Headphone audio going to the V30 is debatable. No one has really tested the Razer audio from the 24-bit DAC Razer is using enough to post a review of it, at least not yet. .
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Razer Phone doesn't have a headphone jack. You have to use a dongle like with the iPhone and Pixel.
Plus, I don't think it's debatable, considering the other stuff Razer messed up on. See my previous post, above yours.
Even in the "bad" reviews for the LG V30, critics praise the LG V30 32-bit quad DAC:
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3235324/android/lg-v30-review.html
LG V30 review: Another great LG phone that just isn't great enough
With a pair of Bluetooth buds, the V30 sounds like any other phone, but with wired headphones and the Quad DAC flipped on, it’s in a class by itself. Even comparing it against the HTC U11, which has its own USB-C-based audio system with a proprietary pair of noise-canceling earbuds, the V30 more than held its own. Once I plugged in a pair of higher-end headphones, the sound was downright spectacular for a smartphone. My only quibble is that I would have preferred the headphone jack at the bottom edge of the phone rather than the top.
With on-par performance and battery life, the V30’s Quad DAC is easily its best selling point, especially for people turned off by the Pixel 2 XL’s reliance on a USB-C-to-3.5mm dongle. In an era where specs and design are increasingly homogenous, sound quality could very well become one of the main differentiators among flagship phones. The V30 is definitely among the cream of the crop.
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And again, this was a bad review -- but he was honest about what he considered the good points.
I bought my LG V30 a month ago. As a Verizon customer, I was eligible for $102USD trade-in value for my old Note 4 and a promotional $200USD gift card. Out of pocket expense was $538USD not including taxes and fees. I was originally going to wait for the Pixel 2 XL or an iPhone X, but the cost savings combined with the quad DAC, headphone jack, dual cameras, and the centrally located rear fingerprint scanner was enough reason for me to pull the trigger on the V30. LG also provided a free Google Daydream and a 2nd year of warranty coverage.
So far, I've been very pleased with the V30 with zero buyer remorse.
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Razer Phone doesn't have a headphone jack. You have to use a dongle like with the iPhone and Pixel.
Plus, I don't think it's debatable, considering the other stuff Razer messed up on. See my previous post, above yours.
Even in the "bad" reviews for the LG V30, critics praise the LG V30 32-bit quad DAC:
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3235324/android/lg-v30-review.html
And again, this was a bad review -- but he was honest about what he considered the good points.
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It may not have a headphone jack but the adapter does come in the box. I would like to see some more reviews on Razer's offering before I call one or the other to be better. Currently though, LG's audio implementation is by far the best out there. However, the Razer phone doesn't officially come out for a couple of more days. By then, there should be some more in-depth reviews.
A) I haven't done dongles since my G1 and I will never do dongles again. There's just no reason for it and it gets old fast.
B) Probably not a good idea to buy this first gen product.
C) Probably not a good idea to bank on x years of updates until they've made x years of the product. I had to look up who Razer even is. Without carrier distribution in the US, this thing will see such a limited release that I'd question if they're even still making phones in a few years. Look at the facts. This is basically a product that some other team started and did a "one and done" then offloaded to someone else while they still could. And it's this last point that I'd really worry about and might make a lot of other people hesitant. Which could possibly lead to an early demise of this part of the company. They really have to make a compelling case for a lot of people to jump into the deep end of a cold pool quickly.
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A) I haven't done dongles since my G1 and I will never do dongles again. There's just no reason for it and it gets old fast.
B) Probably not a good idea to buy this first gen product.
C) Probably not a good idea to bank on x years of updates until they've made x years of the product. I had to look up who Razer even is. Without carrier distribution in the US, this thing will see such a limited release that I'd question if they're even still making phones in a few years. Look at the facts. This is basically a product that some other team started and did a "one and done" then offloaded to someone else while they still could. And it's this last point that I'd really worry about and might make a lot of other people hesitant. Which could possibly lead to an early demise of this part of the company. They really have to make a compelling case for a lot of people to jump into the deep end of a cold pool quickly.
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Lots of valid points there and i agree with the dongle. If you can't charge your phone and still listen to wired headphones, that is a deal breaker, at least for me. I am all for competition, especially when it comes in cheaper with those specs. Whether it is the product for me or anyone else is an individual choice. Hopefully it makes LG try harder and do better with the V40 launch. The V30 product isn't the issue in my opinion. It was LG's failure to deliver that product in a timely manor.
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Lots of valid points there and i agree with the dongle. If you can't charge your phone and still listen to wired headphones, that is a deal breaker, at least for me. I am all for competition, especially when it comes in cheaper with those specs. Whether it is the product for me or anyone else is an individual choice. Hopefully it makes LG try harder and do better with the V40 launch. The V30 product isn't the issue in my opinion. It was LG's failure to deliver that product in a timely manor.
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That would be assuming LG, or any company, sees this as competition. Which at this point I doubt any of them do. Sure it has a couple of impressive specs but that's it. It has limited distribution from an unproven company with a hideous design that's already getting a lukewarm reception at best. I don't think any established company is going to take this thing all that seriously.
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As for LG's timeliness, they did the same thing with the V20. At this point if they cleaned up their act in time for the V40, I'd be pleasantly surprised. In the end game though I'm not really worried. Waiting a few weeks isn't really anything when you realize the development cycle of a given product. It's not like another company is going to use that few weeks time between announcement and launch to suddenly sneak out a better product. That window just isn't long enough to do that and the supply chain doesn't flip fast enough to seriously one up that quickly, even if you could get your developers and QA to move fast enough. (Which we don't. Oh dear FSM we don't.)
No, what you're seeing in all of these complaints of "taking forever to launch" is a lack of patience from a very small slice of the overall consumer pie chart and an interesting psychological study into some rather boorish and childish behavior. There is no other way to explain it. Either you really do want the product in question and can wait a few weeks or you just have money burning a hole in your pocket and want to throw it at the first thing you can.
Look at the iPhone X launch. How long between it's announcement and actual in hands? It was announced on September 12th? Couldn't even pre-order until a few days ago! (Last Friday) Won't ship until at least tomorrow! (One week after pre-orders opened.) Oh, and that's if you're lucky as they seem to be having supply issues and might only get to ship half if that. That's 8 weeks before it is in ANY consumer's hands. Between announcement and in hands I had my V30 in 5 weeks and that was waiting from a US carrier, not even the lesser wait if you were in LG's home market. And I'm just not seeing the same type of complaining from those waiting on iPhones as I see on the Android tech blogs and forums about LG's V launches. It's absolutely bewildering to see the difference.
I got someone who's interested in trading a new Oneplus 5T for my Tmo Note 8, what do you guys think? Should I do it? Opinions, pros/cons, I'd like to hear what you guys have to say.
Thanks!
I moved from OnePlus (3, 3T, and 5) to the Note 8, I love the OnePlus, fast, clean system, rootable, numerous OS update and improvements. But I found it lack the accessory support (NO good screen protectors, not even LOCA ones and limited case selection) but above all the OnePlus has weak cell capabilities (it is not optimized for TMO network), with the OnePlus I kept loosing signal at a location where the Note8 properly change LTE bands and never lost connection, also you get less than half the LTE speed with the OnePlus as it doesn't support TMO carrier aggregation.
With a theme, content blocker, BK Disabler, BX action on the software side and Whitedome screen protection and Elago superslim case on the accessory side, I must say that I have a hard time going back to OnePlus.
Now, dollars for dollars you can't beat the OnePlus, but I also got the Note8 with the BOGO deal, and I leveraged the $200 Samsung Pay promotion twice which really change the cost profile of the Note8 (920x2-920-200-200= $260/Note8!)
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I moved from OnePlus (3, 3T, and 5) to the Note 8, I love the OnePlus, fast, clean system, rootable, numerous OS update and improvements. But I found it lack the accessory support (NO good screen protectors, not even LOCA ones and limited case selection) but above all the OnePlus has weak cell capabilities (it is not optimized for TMO network), with the OnePlus I kept loosing signal at a location where the Note8 properly change LTE bands and never lost connection, also you get less than half the LTE speed with the OnePlus as it doesn't support TMO carrier aggregation.
With a theme, content blocker, BK Disabler, BX action on the software side and Whitedome screen protection and Elago superslim case on the accessory side, I must say that I have a hard time going back to OnePlus.
Now, dollars for dollars you can't beat the OnePlus, but I also got the Note8 with the BOGO deal, and I leveraged the $200 Samsung Pay promotion twice which really change the cost profile of the Note8 (920x2-920-200-200= $260/Note8!)
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What is the 200 dollar Samsung pay promotion? Can you take a screen shot of the offer? Thanks
IllyaK said:
What is the 200 dollar Samsung pay promotion? Can you take a screen shot of the offer? Thanks
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It's over now: https://samsungpromotions.com/past-promotions/
timeToy said:
I moved from OnePlus (3, 3T, and 5) to the Note 8, I love the OnePlus, fast, clean system, rootable, numerous OS update and improvements. But I found it lack the accessory support (NO good screen protectors, not even LOCA ones and limited case selection) but above all the OnePlus has weak cell capabilities (it is not optimized for TMO network), with the OnePlus I kept loosing signal at a location where the Note8 properly change LTE bands and never lost connection, also you get less than half the LTE speed with the OnePlus as it doesn't support TMO carrier aggregation.
With a theme, content blocker, BK Disabler, BX action on the software side and Whitedome screen protection and Elago superslim case on the accessory side, I must say that I have a hard time going back to OnePlus.
Now, dollars for dollars you can't beat the OnePlus, but I also got the Note8 with the BOGO deal, and I leveraged the $200 Samsung Pay promotion twice which really change the cost profile of the Note8 (920x2-920-200-200= $260/Note8!)
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I did the same deal and feel like a cheap millionaire with it to b honest. Lol
I am just stuck here between LG v30 and v40. Also, I am counting mid-range Samsung A series which has Dolby Atmos privilege.
FYI, I will hear most of the time using wired 1more triple driver earbuds and Bose quietcomfort 35 ii over-ear(using Bluetooth).
As I am not gonna put more money on expensive V40, do you think they both sound the same?
Thanks in advance!
It's highly unlikely that you would hear a difference.
I bought my V30+ last August when the V40 came out. Same DAC, ESS Sabre 9218P, same options. And miles ahead of the competition. What you get in V40 is a better OLED display out of the box, bigger battery, a 3rd telephoto lens and a high likelihood to get Android Q. With the V30, Pie is the last guaranteed version number, but you get this living XDA community, far more ROMs, no notch. Amazing users here have found ways to convert your V30 to support virtually any North American, EU and Korean carrier.
When I look for a phone I always check how alive the XDA community is so I don't trap myself in case I want to unlock and root. And you can get a V30+ with 128 GB for under $200 now. It's ridiculous. Just buying a DAC at this quality can cost you $200. I've looked at the V40 and V50 in the store and the changes they made really don't make it worth paying double the price. It's impossible to beat the V30+ when it comes to price/value ratio. :good:
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I bought my V30+ last August when the V40 came out. Same DAC, ESS Sabre 9218P, same options. And miles ahead of the competition. What you get in V40 is a better OLED display out of the box, bigger battery, a 3rd telephoto lens and a high likelihood to get Android Q. With the V30, Pie is the last guaranteed version number, but you get this living XDA community, far more ROMs, no notch. Amazing users here have found ways to convert your V30 to support virtually any North American, EU and Korean carrier.
When I look for a phone I always check how alive the XDA community is so I don't trap myself in case I want to unlock and root. And you can get a V30+ with 128 GB for under $200 now. It's ridiculous. Just buying a DAC at this quality can cost you $200. I've looked at the V40 and V50 in the store and the changes they made really don't make it worth paying double the price. It's impossible to beat the V30+ when it comes to price/value ratio. :good:
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Perfect. phone camera is not a big deal for me. Only Music is. So thanks. I was skeptical between these two.
P.S. Do you think v35 would be a good choice? I can't find a brand new v30. All are refurbished.
See:
Motorola Edge+ | motorola UK - Android phones & Razr | motorola UK
The fastest speeds, the highest resolution smartphone camera, the loudest audio, and the boldest display. motorola edge+.
www.motorola.co.uk
any one switched to the gcam
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any one switched to the gcam
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I will very soon, waiting for my phone. Will update accordingly.
Bought the edge+ 5g from Verizon and I will be returning very soon! If I'm gonna pay 900$ bucks it better be a flagship and not a mid range/ flagship! Verizon is pushing the moto edge phones.
I wouldn't pay $870 (Verizon), but $450 from Motorola got me interested. Sale pricing February 2023.
Boost is offering it to some people at $200. https://my.boostmobile.com/shop/edge.html
I bought the 8/512 unlocked from Best Buy for about $425 out the door. By the time I got there, only 3 left.
Found the Ready For more useful than I thought.
It sucks that they censored the old post. I guess Lenovo is pulling an OnePlus on XDA.