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I just want to know whether non-removable battery causes major probs in smartphones? Asking about Xperia Z1. Someone told me that if u want to do custom rom stuff, always go for removable battery handset.. Pls. Suggest..
As much as I prefer an easily replaceable battery (no such thin as non replaceable just harder to replace) this makes no difference on custom ROMs, get the phone you want for the reasons you want, if there is development for your device then you have no worries
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If you want to do customs ROMs, get a phone with a microSD card and preferably a removable battery.
The problem with non-removable batteries is your loss of control. For example:
- If you get a defective battery (and we all know that happens), you are SOL.
- Sometimes a battery pull is the only solution to a problem
- A non-removable battery means the phone can never really be turned off, making you your carrier's *****. They always know your location, all your data belong to them, etc.
EEngineer said:
If you want to do customs ROMs, get a phone with a microSD card and preferably a removable battery.
The problem with non-removable batteries is your loss of control. For example:
- If you get a defective battery (and we all know that happens), you are SOL.
- Sometimes a battery pull is the only solution to a problem
- A non-removable battery means the phone can never really be turned off, making you your carrier's *****. They always know your location, all your data belong to them, etc.
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Again, custom ROMs have nothing to do with batteries or sdcards
Defective battery does not mean SOL, get a replacement free under warranty or swap it yourself, never seen a phone that is actually non replaceable as its said, just not as easy, instead of three seconds it may take three minuets, but really often takes just 30 seconds
No need to battery pull ever, always a hard reset options with key presses (yes even in a bootloop)
And becoming carriers ***** is a bit over dramatized, but youre free to whatever opinion there (but really I can't see it)
As much as I want an easily replaceable battery and SD card, these are only some of the many factors that go into phone purchases but again to each there own
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demkantor said:
Again, custom ROMs have nothing to do with batteries or sdcards
Defective battery does not mean SOL, get a replacement free under warranty or swap it yourself, never seen a phone that is actually non replaceable as its said...
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The title of this thread is "non-replaceble battery an issue?"
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The title of this thread is "non-replaceble battery an issue?"
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sorry! My mistake! I meant non-removable.. Not non-replaceble! Means i shud go for z1 na?
Is it possible to hard reset such battery? How?
I understand what is often meant by non-replaceable battery, I have owned many phones and other devices that say this, the phone I'm typing on has a "non-replaceable battery" which is just one of many that I have replaced (when installing a new screen so replaced it with the same battery but same point) and yes they are most always still very simple to replace
More than likely a hard reset will be a combo of the buttons available such as volume up + down + power for like 10 seconds, try a few combos on your current phone and I'm sure you'll find the way
Ask at z1 thread how to do it or go to a store that has display models and try, never seen an android phone that doesnt
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More than likely a hard reset will be a combo of the buttons available such as volume up + down + power for like 10 seconds, try a few combos on your current phone and I'm sure you'll find the way
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Doesn't a hard reset clear all your data too?
I like the Z1 but I'm nervous about a non-replaceable battery. Sometimes when hacking your phone, playing with ROMs, etc the only solution to a problem like a boot-loop is a battery pull.
As an adage, performing a rest via button combinations compared to a battery pull, it reminds me of the old adage "for reliability, never do in software what you can do in hardware".
I figured i would put my 2 cents in but my preference with devices (as a developer) would be a phone with a removable battery. Sometimes there are freezes and bootloops when flashing custom ROMs (ive had my nice share of that LOL). A device with a removable battery can easily shut the phone down (by removing the battery) unlike a phone with a non-removable battery. Some devices though come with a hard reset option where you can hold down certain buttons while your phone is frozen and you can just reboot that way, not sure about bootloops though. My advice to you would be to get a phone with a removable battery if you plan on doing a lot of flashing! Just my 2 cents.
Sorry, I meant hard reboot, not hard reset so no this won't wipe data
And as much as I agree with you all that an easily removable battery is nice it should not be a factor at all when talking about flashing ROMs or development. As like I said I have never seen an android that doesn't have the ability to hard reboot via keypress
Not to mention when flashing ROMs we are most often in front of a computer so adb reboot recovery or whatever (of course device may not be online depending on nature of bootloop or whatever so hard reboot)
So if you like all aspects of the z1 but are scared the removable battery will not allow you to reboot buy the phone, as this fear is misguided for there is always another way
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demkantor said:
Sorry, I meant hard reboot, not hard reset so no this won't wipe data
And as much as I agree with you all that an easily removable battery is nice it should not be a factor at all when talking about flashing ROMs or development. As like I said I have never seen an android that doesn't have the ability to hard reboot via keypress
Not to mention when flashing ROMs we are most often in front of a computer so adb reboot recovery or whatever (of course device may not be online depending on nature of bootloop or whatever so hard reboot)
So if you like all aspects of the z1 but are scared the removable battery will not allow you to reboot buy the phone, as this fear is misguided for there is always another way
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This is all soooooooo wrong, so very very wrong...
EEngineer said:
This is all soooooooo wrong, so very very wrong...
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Enlighten me then, how is discussing ROM flashing and development remotely related to the ease of battery replacement? Call me crazy but some of the most development on any device is done on phones and tablets with the so called "non-user-replaceable-batteries" and there is zero issue in flashing ROMs or testing new kernels or ROMs, I've been in bootloops enough times with my n4, n7 and n10 and never did I go damn, need a battery pull
Even with the other 12 or more androids that have an easily removable battery I don't do battery pulls, even when I'm testing my ROMs, mods and kernels and get stuck in bootloops, its a non-issue
Buy a phone because you like what it can do, not because of unfounded fears. I love quick replace batteries and SD cards in my phones, but not having them doesn't make me think I can't flash something to it easily, if I did that would just be silly
But feel free to explain how the above is just a load of **** and I'm full of it, I don't mind at all
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Enlighten me then, how is discussing ROM flashing and development remotely related to the ease of battery replacement? Call me crazy but some of the most development on any device is done on phones and tablets with the so called "non-user-replaceable-batteries"
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You are crazy. Most phones have replaceable batteries.
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Droid Premium said:
I figured i would put my 2 cents in but my preference with devices (as a developer) would be a phone with a removable battery. Sometimes there are freezes and bootloops when flashing custom ROMs (ive had my nice share of that LOL). A device with a removable battery can easily shut the phone down (by removing the battery) unlike a phone with a non-removable battery. Some devices though come with a hard reset option where you can hold down certain buttons while your phone is frozen and you can just reboot that way, not sure about bootloops though. My advice to you would be to get a phone with a removable battery if you plan on doing a lot of flashing! Just my 2 cents.
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You are crazy. Most phones have replaceable batteries.
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I never said most phones don't, but lets look at some of the biggest devices with the most development as of late
which is just about every phone not made by Samsung - there is no issue flashing ROMs on these phones, at least none that involve the battery
seriously, and for some reason you need to replace the battery and phone is out of warranty, spend 2 minuets doing it, its still easy
but that's besides the point, and i must be failing in explaining to you
I have flashed countless amount of ROMs mod and kernels to so many androids, many with your "non removable batteries" and no issues
even when I am developing my ROMs or testing my kernels, no issues when in a bootloop
so enjoy your misguided reasonings and your new Samsung device, ill just say your right for the sake of i don't care,
and I'm bored of this conversation and all the electronic ink I've waste
have a nice battery pull! :good:
hard reboot is possible in z1. Chkd it.. Going for it den.. Thnx every1..
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How many times we can flash our phone? like custom roming,rooting,kernel etc
I guess till it dies ..I have tested almost every rom n kernel in xda nd android world.it ,over fifty to hundred probably almost for 2 months now and keep changing no problems till now ..
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How many times we can flash our phone? like custom roming,rooting,kernel etc
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you can flash it as many times as you can before it get bricked(from BRICKED i mean it cannot be reapaired by any way....
As many times as you wish.
^ Not completely true. At some point, the flash ROM will die on you. It's a natural event when it comes to flash memory, although it should take a good number of rewrites for that to happen.
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^ Not completely true. At some point, the flash ROM will die on you. It's a natural event when it comes to flash memory, although it should take a good number of rewrites for that to happen.
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Flash memory gets deleted if u delete everything so theres no worry for that, so its almost,
unlimited flash times, as told until u cant start phone (hard bricked)
not soft bricked, l0l
however hard brick is kinda hard, (at least as we often cant flash other rom's also if we do so it wont boot properly to prevent phone from hard brick, so its kinda a good safety)
I'm not talking about bricking here, rather about the physical resistance of the memory. Why don't you check out the back of the packaging from a USB drive or memory card, you will notice an attribute named "Maximum Number of Cycles".
The Optimus One has EEPROM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EEPROM
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The manufacturers usually specify the maximum number of rewrites being 10 to the 6th power or more.[2]
During storage, the electrons injected into the floating gate may drift through the insulator, especially at increased temperature, and cause charge loss, reverting the cell into erased state. The manufacturers usually guarantee data retention of 10 years or more.
In other words, don't worry about it
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/21/htc-one-s-teardown/
Looks like getting the battery replaced isn't all that complicated at all. Maybe some company will even come out with a different plastics to accommodate a larger battery.
The guy in the above linked video actually removes the battery within three minutes and forty-two seconds.
That is very fast considering he was even narrating how to do it at the same time. I think I will send this to a few battery manufacturers to give them an incentive to create an aftermarket battery.
Thank you. I believed this could be done in theory. I even created a post about this and everyone was like, "No, you have to remove the screen and then that just gets too complicated." Actually, all you have to do is pop off the back with a flat head, remove four screws, separate the back plate and bam, remove battery and replace it. Takes all of about 3 minutes.
Since the phone is so thin, I wouldn't mind replacing the 2,000 maH battery with a 2,500 or even 3,000 maH battery with just a little added thickness. As long as it is no thicker than my Samsung Epic 4G. That is about perfect thickness. Anything bigger then I will just use a car charger or something.
So what happens when we get to that step in the root process or bootloop that says
"Remove Battery"?
Ugh.
Is there a hard reset button?
may be a hard reset button. but more likely it'll be like One X where 10sec power button push shuts phone off, then power and volume can be used to get to bootloader.
god, i hope i never have to pull my phone apart like that. watching that, I realized the whole time my muscles were clenched, and spine taut as though watching a life or death human surgery.
The one thing about getting this phone is the scare of not having the Non removable battery. I mean sure there's a hard reset, but we had one on the EVO 3D and 10% of the time it didn't work. Not to mention if you flashed the latest firmware leak its completely hindered and won't work anymore... So small things like that can be worrysome
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I've seen this too many times now... has anyone here ever owned an iPod touch? They don't have a removable battery and you can hard reset it JUST FINE. Its been posted several hundred times in every thread here.
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I've seen this too many times now... has anyone here ever owned an iPod touch? They don't have a removable battery and you can hard reset it JUST FINE. Its been posted several hundred times in every thread here.
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The iPod has a Li-Po battery like the LTEvo, instead of a Li-Ion like the OG Evo.
IPod totally diff, and thanks for pointing out Li-Po. Didn't know that.
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Except I'm referring to the Hard reset method, which will be similar.
Gave you a thanks to show no hard feelings. Maybe I misunderstood your point.
Edit: except defenders of apple must die at the sword and pen
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So what happens when we get to that step in the root process or bootloop that says
"Remove Battery"?
Ugh.
Is there a hard reset button?
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Maybe its like the Flyer whenever I have a bootloop or issue I hold power and vol down for a very long time then it opens bootloader. Oh by the way my Flyer has nonremovable battery.
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Maybe its like the Flyer whenever I have a bootloop or issue I hold power and vol down for a very long time then it opens bootloader. Oh by the way my Flyer has nonremovable battery.
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I have yet to see a tablet that has a removable one
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The Toshiba Thrive has a removable battery.
I think that if the batteries really are like this for our Evo's there will be the usual after market battery options.
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I have yet to see a tablet that has a removable one
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A nice thing I learned while using my HTC Jetstream, which also does not have a removable battery is that if you ever end up in a bootloop, adb still works. So I always end up just doing an "adb reboot bootloader" to get out of a sticky situation
^ I was wondering when someone would pipe in with this bit of info. It works, very well. I wasn't worried about the sealed battery because of ADB. Maybe if more people used it (Meaning: Don't use a one click method, if possible. Learn how your phone works. If I'm 20 and can figure it out, so can everyone else.), we wouldn't have as many people asking questions they could easily fix themselves.
Once, long ago, there were no one click methods, and you had to do it yourself. (No, I wasn't Androiding then, but I wish I was.) If anyone else came from VZW and remembers the Fascinate (Galaxy S variant) some people couldn't get one click methods to work and had to do it manually. Setting your system partition as R/W for the first time, by your own hands, is very rewarding... especially with a Samsung phone.
Boot loader tools are a different story, but there is no reason anyone should not be able to at least root a device themselves once an approved method comes out.
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^ I was wondering when someone would pipe in with this bit of info. It works, very well. I wasn't worried about the sealed battery because of ADB. Maybe if more people used it (Meaning: Don't use a one click method, if possible. Learn how your phone works. If I'm 20 and can figure it out, so can everyone else.), we wouldn't have as many people asking questions they could easily fix themselves.
Once, long ago, there were no one click methods, and you had to do it yourself. (No, I wasn't Androiding then, but I wish I was.) If anyone else came from VZW and remembers the Fascinate (Galaxy S variant) some people couldn't get one click methods to work and had to do it manually. Setting your system partition as R/W for the first time, by your own hands, is very rewarding... especially with a Samsung phone.
Boot loader tools are a different story, but there is no reason anyone should not be able to at least root a device themselves once an approved method comes out.
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I hear ya, I too am also only 20. I have to admit, with my HTC EVO 4G, I did use a one click root method to get where I am today, but when it came to my HTC Jetstream, that was a different story entirely. It had a locked bootloader and the root process was a bit more tedious. With that being said, I have to admit, I learned a lot more while using my Jetstream.
I think manual method is a whole lot better. You actually learn something instead of just mechanically clicking a button, not knowing what is really going on in the background.
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I think manual method is a whole lot better. You actually learn something instead of just mechanically clicking a button, not knowing what is really going on in the background.
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In essence, on-click-root is for those Apple fanboys who want an automatic jailbreak, and DIY is for those hardcore Android mechanics who root like a bawss.
^^Very well said above! Seriously though, i truly hate the one click stuff because I don't really know what's going on behind the scenes.
For the original evo, there was a how to guide that was all manual. I went over each step until it was clear what was being done and why.
I'll admit, forbmy Incredible, I used a one click method, but I was curious about how it worked and investigated. It wasn't until my Fascinate that I actually needed to use it, but like I said, I was curious. I feel its important for rooted users to understand at least part of the process. It is an eye opener to a fraction of what our devs go through. It gives you a deeper appreciation.
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Tonight was second time in about one week when my phone shut itself down at night. Because of that I slept in both times Both times it was connected to charger and battery was full, also there was a lot of updated apps (notifications in status bar). Right before first time this happened I recovered from soft brick. First after recovering phone didn't work well it use to freeze on higher load so I re-installed stock ROM one more time and everything seemed fine.
Now I wonder if it's software or hardware issues. Any ideas?
Cheers in advance.
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Tonight was second time in about one week when my phone shut itself down at night. Because of that I slept in both times Both times it was connected to charger and battery was full, also there was a lot of updated apps (notifications in status bar). Right before first time this happened I recovered from soft brick. First after recovering phone didn't work well it use to freeze on higher load so I re-installed stock ROM one more time and everything seemed fine.
Now I wonder if it's software or hardware issues. Any ideas?
Cheers in advance.
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Did you UV/UC your device? And which rom/kernel are you on?
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Donnie Sins said:
Did you UV/UC your device? And which rom/kernel are you on?
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No, I didn't UV/UC. I was on rooted stock kernel.
Made factory reset today and installed custom JB ROM today to see if it helps.
I think your problem is a software related one, try using the latest stock Rom, also it may be induced bya virus or a new program which you May have installed, if this didn't help them you should think of a hardware problem.
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I think your problem is a software related one, try using the latest stock Rom, also it may be induced bya virus or a new program which you May have installed, if this didn't help them you should think of a hardware problem.
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I was using 4.0.4 official ROM (NEE). And most of my apps are from Play store and only few from a reputable forum.
But as I said, I wiped everything today and installed a different ROM. If everything's OK for a week it will be clear that it was a software glitch.
Maybe it's tired?
****Non of this is of any importance. Just chill the f**k out and relax****
One week after installing custom ROM my SGSII has shutdown at night again. Like last times it was connected to a charger but this time there were no updated apps. So it's not ROM's fault because it happened with custom and stock ROMs.
Is it possible that soft brick damaged some part of phone's hardware (internal flash memory)? When recovering from brick I re-partitioned it.
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1) There's no such thing as a 'soft brick'. Your phone is either bricked (unfixable other than by authorised repairer/JTAG) or it ain't.
2) Highly unlikely anything firmware related would cause hardware issues like that.
It may well be a hardware issue given it's happened on different roms. If you're still on stock & haven't reset the flash counter, do that & send it in to Samsung/authorised repairer to be looked at assuming your warranty is still good. If it isn't, take it to a local mobile repair shop & have them take a look (if you've gone back to a custom rom, reset the flash counter & back to stock).
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There's no warranty, therefore I won't be taking it to service center just to hear it needs new motherboard etc. because it'll cost me almost same as to buy another SGSII.
At this moment I'm only interested if there's anything I can do by myself. If not it's time for a new phone I'm afraid. The phone is still perfectly usable but I don't want to risk sleeping in and being late for work and I don't want to buy an alarm clock.
Common sense dictates you try a different battery.
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Common sense dictates you try a different battery.
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How can it be caused by battery when all times this happened phone was connected to a charger? All times after I turn it on I find a full battery.
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Do a completely clean install of stock (format cache, data, system, & internal sd card in CWRecovery first, Odin flash after), do not restore any apps (or app data with the exception of contacts/calendar/call logs/sms) via Ti or whatever, clean reinstall a few apps at a time, test for a day or two. Install a few more apps, test for a day or two. And so on.
If it's still happening after you do that, "it's time for a new phone" in your words.
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Thing is that when the phone got bricked I had no backup of any kind and since internal storage was re-formated we can say that it was fully wiped. I installed stock ROM first. But phone was rebooting on higher load so I did factory reset and wiped dalwik and data. Reinstalled stock ROM again (even re-downloaded to make sure it's not corrupted). This time it wasn't rebooting. But after a couple of night shutdowns I decided to try a custom ROM. I did a full wipe (including internal storage) before installing it. Clearly it didn't help
BTW night shutdown happens about once in a week.
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How can it be caused by battery when all times this happened phone was connected to a charger? All times after I turn it on I find a full battery.
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I tried a different battery and Ive noticed when Ive connected it to the charger,a couple of times my phone has switched off as I was facing the screen wanting my sim pin.
This doesnt happen with my original battery.
So it must be the battery.
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I tried a different battery and Ive noticed when Ive connected it to the charger,a couple of times my phone has switched off as I was facing the screen wanting my sim pin.
This doesnt happen with my original battery.
So it must be the battery.
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But I'm using my original battery. Also like I mentioned earlier all this started after the brick. Therefore I don't think it's the battery.
P.S.Before SGSII I owned HTC Desire for couple of years. I flashed and re-flashed it again and again, never had a brick etc. But when I decide to flash a custom ROM on SGSII for the first time phone gets bricked and even after recovering from brick phone is still f*****-up. Don't get me wrong I love this phone, it's better in every way but it's not exactly "flash friendly". Forums are full of stories of bricked SGSII. That makes me thinking should I choose a Samsung device if I'll be forced to buy a new phone...
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How can it be caused by battery when all times this happened phone was connected to a charger? All times after I turn it on I find a full battery.
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Simple, Because you cant run your phone just via charger, it goes from charger to device via battery so if your battery is faulty you could have lost power to device.
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Thing is that when the phone got bricked
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You're devcie was never "bricked". If it was your devcie would simply not power on or if it did it wouldnt go into download or recovery mode via buttons or jig.
If you can do the above yor devcie is not bricked. There is no such thing as a "soft brick", that is just a label n00bs like to use as a label for when they cant boot to system. Liek when they get a boot loop etc.
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But I'm using my original battery. Also like I mentioned earlier all this started after the brick.
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No it didnt.
kaiseris said:
P.S.Before SGSII I owned HTC Desire for couple of years. I flashed and re-flashed it again and again, never had a brick etc.
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And you haven't on SGS2 either.
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But when I decide to flash a custom ROM on SGSII for the first time phone gets bricked
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No it doesnt.
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and even after recovering from brick phone is still f*****-up.
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No you didnt, you simply re-flashed a rom. When you're bricked this cannot be done (without hardware access/replace) hence the word "bricked"[/QUOTE]
kaiseris said:
Don't get me wrong I love this phone, it's better in every way but it's not exactly "flash friendly".
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Wrong, its very flash friendly. Only thing you need to look out for is wiping data on leaked stock kernel.
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Forums are full of stories of bricked SGSII.
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1000% Untrue. They are full of stories from n00bs who "think" they have bricked their device, ie all the silly "soft-brick" topics.
My advice to you would be to check battery pins for bends or corrosion and also swap battery and see if you get different results.
Before any of this though you should try a kernel cleaning script, flash stock rom via ODIN and then flash Siyah kernel.
Jeez man! Why do you waste your an my time typing this long but pointless post?! To show how "l33t" you are? If so please stay away from this thread.
As for battery, if it is faulty why it's still fully charged? Also why does it act-up just once in a while? IMHO battery is quite a simple thing, either it charges or not. It looses it's capacity over time. Mine is about six months old and still lasts me about 36 hours.
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Jeez man! Why do you waste your an my time typing this long but pointless post?! To show how "l33t" you are? If so please stay away from this thread.
As for battery, if it is faulty why it's still fully charged? Also why does it act-up just once in a while? IMHO battery is quite a simple thing, either it charges or not. It looses it's capacity over time. Mine is about six months old and still lasts me about 36 hours.
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Because I was trying to help you [email protected] ungrateful moron! How on earth was it trying to sound "l33t" (By the way its "1337").
Your problem is that you create a thread about a problem you have with device and then dont even listen to what you get told with regards to advice from multiple people, ie check rom/kernel/battery. What the hell do you expect any of us to do give you some magic words you can say to solve your problem?
What I wrote was correcting your misconceptions and giving you on advice on how to resolve your issue, Did you even bother to read what I wrote at bottom??
Also you're been very narrow minded if you think that the only symptoms of a faulty battery is if it cant charge or hold charge. Symptoms can also include random drops of output which result in your phone losing power and rebooting or powering off which is exactly what is happening to you. Now I'm not saying this is your exact problem but the fact that you are ignoring this possibility shows how much of a fool you are been especially when been hostile towards people who are trying to "waste their time" helping you.
If you dont want our advice then I suggest you GTFO and find another site to post your problem on.
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TheATHEiST said:
[email protected] ungrateful moron
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a fool you are
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Wow, you're a real "keyboard cowboy". Do you tell same thing to people you don't know in real life? I bet you don't.
I already wrote this but I will repeat it one more time. I did full wipes, flashed a few different ROMs and kernels since this problem started. It didn't affect the problem in any way!
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Now I'm not saying this is your exact problem
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Reading your posts makes me think opposite. I will repeat myself shutdowns started right after recovering from "soft brick"/"NAND rw corruption" (which ever suits you better). Other reason I don't believe it's battery's fault is that I have never heard about:
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random drops of output
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in otherwise perfectly working battery.
Like everyone else I owned a bunch of cellphones, laptops, cordless drills, MP3 players and other battery-powered devices but never had such problem or heard about anyone having this exact problem. Would you care to elaborate about it?
TheATHEiST said:
GTFO and find another site to post your problem on.
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I'm not going to do that only because there are a few "anal" people in this great community.
Ok, you're obviously an idiot and its pointless trying to help you. Good luck trying to find somebody who will help you now after showing how much of a **** you are to people trying to offer advice.
I'm off to play on my fully working i9100.
Bye.
hi guys, few days ago i put my razr on charge and after full charge (~2.5 hours later) it was so much hot, so i unplugged and wait some minutes to get at normal temperature.
nothing happens on rom/any software.
but since that day the phone gets hot too fast, like 1-2 minutes using it and it already hot, if i stay 5 minutes on it, the feel is like it getting explode.
did this happens to you? should i search for warranty?
* another question, when i use RSDlite to update the rom, it does not clear all data on phone, my internal storage remains there, have a way to do a total/full/mega/super wipe so i can take it to warranty without preocupations?
rafaelsartori said:
hi guys, few days ago i put my razr on charge and after full charge (~2.5 hours later) it was so much hot, so i unplugged and wait some minutes to get at normal temperature.
nothing happens on rom/any software.
but since that day the phone gets hot too fast, like 1-2 minutes using it and it already hot, if i stay 5 minutes on it, the feel is like it getting explode.
did this happens to you? should i search for warranty?
* another question, when i use RSDlite to update the rom, it does not clear all data on phone, my internal storage remains there, have a way to do a total/full/mega/super wipe so i can take it to warranty without preocupations?
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mine was quite the opposite, it is the coolest phone i've ever used (in normal condition). if you're already tried to flash ROM, then flash it back to stock will clear the matter a bit. if you haven't, better ask for RMA.
hansip87 said:
mine was quite the opposite, it is the coolest phone i've ever used (in normal condition). if you're already tried to flash ROM, then flash it back to stock will clear the matter a bit. if you haven't, better ask for RMA.
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yeah i agree, my phone never got hot, already said a lot of times that was the coolest ever, but since few days ago something is wrong.
im on stock now, but with some modifications, i will try to re-flash it.
AW: [Q] Razr getting hot so fast / charging.
rafaelsartori said:
hi guys, few days ago i put my razr on charge and after full charge (~2.5 hours later) it was so much hot, so i unplugged and wait some minutes to get at normal temperature.
nothing happens on rom/any software.
but since that day the phone gets hot too fast, like 1-2 minutes using it and it already hot, if i stay 5 minutes on it, the feel is like it getting explode.
did this happens to you? should i search for warranty?
* another question, when i use RSDlite to update the rom, it does not clear all data on phone, my internal storage remains there, have a way to do a total/full/mega/super wipe so i can take it to warranty without preocupations?
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Already heard of that problem...
I've read that it could be related to external sdcard... I dont know why, i dont know how, but some people confirm that this works... Do you have one? Did you format it over your pc?
If you did, format it again over Android : Settings -> Storage -> Format External SD-Card. Maybe this solves your problem.
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Lokimitsu said:
Already heard of that problem...
I've read that it could be related to external sdcard... I dont know why, i dont know how, but some people confirm that this works... Do you have one? Did you format it over your pc?
If you did, format it again over Android : Settings -> Storage -> Format External SD-Card. Maybe this solves your problem.
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Instead of formatting the SD card you could just remove it and use the phone without it long wnough to see if the problem lingers. I ended up returning a razr for a warranty replacement because of it running hot like you described. The device during normal operation and charging would get so hot it was uncomfortable in my hand. That was right around the time one or two report of GS III melting started to surface. i called VZW, told them I felt it was unsafe, didn't feel comfortable letting my kids use it to play games, that kind of thing and they sent me a replacement without hesitation or issue.
Lokimitsu said:
Already heard of that problem...
I've read that it could be related to external sdcard... I dont know why, i dont know how, but some people confirm that this works... Do you have one? Did you format it over your pc?
If you did, format it again over Android : Settings -> Storage -> Format External SD-Card. Maybe this solves your problem.
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jeff_roey said:
Instead of formatting the SD card you could just remove it and use the phone without it long wnough to see if the problem lingers. I ended up returning a razr for a warranty replacement because of it running hot like you described. The device during normal operation and charging would get so hot it was uncomfortable in my hand. That was right around the time one or two report of GS III melting started to surface. i called VZW, told them I felt it was unsafe, didn't feel comfortable letting my kids use it to play games, that kind of thing and they sent me a replacement without hesitation or issue.
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Oh my god! im so glad you both are here, i could never expected that an MicroSD could cause so many problems. thats awesome,
i really thank you for that answer, you got right in place. i removed SD and it is freezing my hand now.
thanks once more.
I just checked my phone using "eMMC Brickbug Check" by "Vinagre" (available on Google Play Store) and it turns out that I have an insane chip.
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I know that Android 4.1.2 is supposed to fix this issue as it somehow prevents from phone to go into "Sudden Death" but still that doesn't change the fact that the chip in my phone is faulty. Plus people with Android 4.1.2 XXELLA still are experiencing brick bug!! There are tons of posts all over the internet to prove that. I have just 2 months of warranty left and sure my phone is working fine now, but there is no guarantee that it will continue to do so even after the warranty is over. What happens if my phone dies after it's out of warranty? I'll be screwed, right? What do you guys think I should do? Would Samsung Care acknowledge the result from an app & change my chip or offer me a replacement?
Please help me ASAP. I'll be very very grateful to you.
No, they won't fix it as there is nothing wrong - yet.
absolutely nothing you can do
:'(
boomboomer said:
No, they won't fix it as there is nothing wrong - yet.
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Glebun said:
absolutely nothing you can do
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Thank you for your prompt replies. I guess I'm just a sitting duck now. :'(
saurabh_goyal93 said:
Thank you
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there's a button for that
saurabh_goyal93 said:
I just checked my phone using "eMMC Brickbug Check" by "Vinagre" (available on Google Play Store) and it turns out that I have an insane chip.
Screenshot attached.
I know that Android 4.1.2 is supposed to fix this issue as it somehow prevents from phone to go into "Sudden Death" but still that doesn't change the fact that the chip in my phone is faulty. Plus people with Android 4.1.2 XXELLA still are experiencing brick bug!! There are tons of posts all over the internet to prove that. I have just 2 months of warranty left and sure my phone is working fine now, but there is no guarantee that it will continue to do so even after the warranty is over. What happens if my phone dies after it's out of warranty? I'll be screwed, right? What do you guys think I should do? Would Samsung Care acknowledge the result from an app & change my chip or offer me a replacement?
Please help me ASAP. I'll be very very grateful to you.
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The fix for the SDS is not in the Firmware but inside the Kernel. So you could use the newest Firmware but if your Kernel is not SDS Fixed then you still can have the SDS easily. I`ve seen a lot of cases where people used a firmware that they thought is safe but if you ask them what kernel they used you often get a reply that they used some outdated kernel like Siyah 1.8.6 which has not the Samsung fix for the SD included.
I don`t know of any solid case where a Sudden Death occurred where people were using a fixed Kernel.
Also sometimes you have cases where people first experienced the Sudden Death Syndroms like a lot of freezing or sudden reboots and then they decide to come to XDA and afterwards they flash a fixed kernel in hope that this will fix the problem(s) but then it`s often already to late. If you already have the symptoms chances are good that your phone will die anyway.
However if you know a case where the user had no symptoms at all and were using a fixed Kernel then please post a link to it because such a case is of big importance.
firmware includes the kernel
Glebun said:
firmware includes the kernel
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Yes, but many people flash custom Kernels after they flash a Sammy Firmware.
Scarface1991 said:
Yes, but many people flash custom Kernels after they flash a Sammy Firmware.
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Well, it is true that many peoples are removing their car security and safety devices.
so what? There are two alternatives:
1. They know what they are doing and what, therefore they are considering the risk;
2. They are do not know what they are doing. In this case, bricking their phone is hard, but only way to learn.
The choice is yours, boys and girls.
I thing that you can buy warranty time but I am not completely sure about that.
first, that your phone has the faulty chip, does not imply that our phone is going certainly going to die, if that was true, there would be millions of dead devices around the world, and that is not the case, as many things of life, it is a matter of luck, if its going to happen it will, if not, it wont, many users reported the issue at 5 or 6 months of use, if you pass this time period, chances are at your favor, mine is 6 months old, at the 2nd month I became aware of the sudden death issue, and flashed a rom and kernel with the fix, now, I think m PHONE IS OUT OF TROUBLE, i HAVE 7 months left of warranty period, so, dont torture yourself, use your device, and think of the best
From all that I've read about SDS you can hopefully avoid it altogther by using the latest firmware, even with the old firmware it seemed to happen more often to those who charged their phones overnight or got them too hot - although some failures seemed to be totally random.
I've always charged my batteries in an external charger, have power saving mode on and point an A/C outlet at the phone if used in the car windscreen to navigate. As a result it is always cool to the touch, electronics hate high temps - even 10 degrees higher than 'normal' can halve the lifespan of standard components, the memory chips in these phones are far from standard.
If you are too scared of SDS you can hard brick your phone and then give the phone to the service center so they will replace the insane chip free of cost
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From all that I've read about SDS you can hopefully avoid it altogther by using the latest firmware, even with the old firmware it seemed to happen more often to those who charged their phones overnight or got them too hot - although some failures seemed to be totally random.
I've always charged my batteries in an external charger, have power saving mode on and point an A/C outlet at the phone if used in the car windscreen to navigate. As a result it is always cool to the touch, electronics hate high temps - even 10 degrees higher than 'normal' can halve the lifespan of standard components, the memory chips in these phones are far from standard.
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Lol, far from standard?
Anyways, thank you for your reply but that's just a workaround, not a fix. I'm planning to keep this phone for another 2 years and if the chip is faulty, there's a very high chance that it'll fail sometime in the near future and I can't afford to change the whole motherboard.
saurabh_goyal93 said:
Lol, far from standard?
Anyways, thank you for your reply but that's just a workaround, not a fix. I'm planning to keep this phone for another 2 years and if the chip is faulty, there's a very high chance that it'll fail sometime in the near future and I can't afford to change the whole motherboard.
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If you use a Kernel with the fix then the chance is not very high. In fact until this day I haven't seen a solid case where a S3 with the fix died all of a sudden. While before the fix devices were dying left and right.
nikhil18 said:
If you are too scared of SDS you can hard brick your phone and then give the phone to the service center so they will replace the insane chip free of cost
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no, that's a felony
Glebun said:
no, that's a felony
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I was always wondering, isn`t it also a kind of felony to reset the flashing counter via Triangle Away and then to play dumb if you get your phone hard bricked some time later?
if it was your fault and you claim it bricked by itself, then yeah, that's also insurance fraud, which is a felony
Yeah I thought so too,
haha I know so many cases here at XDA where people bricked their phones and many people just advised them to bring it to the service centre and to play dumb, so that they say that suddenly their phone wouldn't turn on.
Couldn't agree more with both of you. It's a felony, everyone is aware of that, but lots of people still do it, because at the end of the day, all they want is their phone back. Fully working.