Hi to all fellow members of this device, especially to those I know and appreciate more
I just want to tell you that I'm going to make use of my corporate email to reach Broadcom and start a formal request for them to give us the drivers for the Galaxy Ace-i, also known as Cooperve. Even though many members have most probably changed their device for a better one, I still see a lot of people buying this device, especially in my country.
Through the use of many scripts created by fellow users we have been able to improve performance of this phone but not to it's full potential, this is especially due to the fact that we don't have the GPU drivers source to have a ROM properly built from scratch, just to mention one of the obstacles our devs have encountered.
This, and the fact that I have seen this device increase its sales in Chile a lot are just some of the reasons why I'm reaching directly to Broadcom to kindly request the drivers source for our device.
I hope we have a good reception on this matter and that we can get a positive response by Broadcom, that has always been by the side of the open-source, as they state.
@bieltv.3 @SpaceCaker @Lopicl.00 you guys and the BroadcomCM team have made possible a CyanogenMod for our device, I really hope we can keep counting on your awesome and willing support
Update 1
See in the attachment the email I sent to broadcom, let's hope for an answer soon :good: :highfive:
My well wishes with you .Hope something good happens !
El_Dark said:
Hi to all fellow members of this device, especially to those I know and appreciate more
I just want to tell you that I'm going to make use of my corporate email to reach Broadcom and start a formal request for them to give us the drivers for the Galaxy Ace-i, also known as Cooperve. Even though many members have most probably changed their device for a better one, I still see a lot of people buying this device, especially in my country.
Through the use of many scripts created by fellow users we have been able to improve performance of this phone but not to it's full potential, this is especially due to the fact that we don't have the GPU drivers source to have a ROM properly built from scratch, just to mention one of the obstacles our devs have encountered.
This, and the fact that I have seen this device increase its sales in Chile a lot are just some of the reasons why I'm reaching directly to Broadcom to kindly request the drivers source for our device.
I hope we have a good reception on this matter and that we can get a positive response by Broadcom, that has always been by the side of the open-source, as they state.
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Good luck, man!!! Maybe at the fourth time they will understand BTW Making drivers open sourced means that u ''open'' the secret of CPU/GPU etc. making, so it's not very good for them, but they wouldn't lose much. Good luck!
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mradermaxlol said:
Good luck, man!!! Maybe at the fourth time they will understand BTW Making drivers open sourced means that u ''open'' the secret of CPU/GPU etc. making, so it's not very good for them, but they wouldn't lose much. Good luck!
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Why wouldn't it be good? They have mentioned more than once that they want to extend themselves to the opensource community Let's make them know that this device is still being used and massively sold and that we want to make it even better!!!
Best wishes from me.. Good luck bro... I am with you .. :thumbup:
Update!!
I had the same email from them as in here, but I'm not giving up, definitely!! and I replied what you see attached!!
El_Dark said:
Update!!
I had the same email from them as in here, but I'm not giving up, definitely!! and I replied what you see attached!!
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We're all with you bro! Let them understand that if they release the drivers then they (maybe) won't be hated anymore!!! Never give up!!!
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El_Dark said:
Update!!
I had the same email from them as in here, but I'm not giving up, definitely!! and I replied what you see attached!!
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"Get up, stand up: stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up: don't give up the fight!
Bob Marley"
I hope the Broadcom will relase this drivers ...
Alucard1989pl said:
"Get up, stand up: stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up: don't give up the fight!
Bob Marley"
I hope the Broadcom will relase this drivers ...
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"Get up, stand up: you dont have to fight!
Get up,stand up or do whatever you wanna do : we wont release the drivers in any possible way
Broadcom inc."
Yeah bro! You did it to give reason! If Broadcom release the driver to us. We will stand up and may we will happy! Hope this message will reply by Broadcom. :fingers-crossed:
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"Get up, stand up: you dont have to fight!
Get up,stand up or do whatever you wanna do : we wont release the drivers in any possible way
Broadcom inc."
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You're so pessimistic ...
I'm also not sitting in my chair waiting for Broadcom to release it.
I already registered on Broadcom forums to make a post showing the unfinished work by the ex-employee Nick Lambourne and the petition with more than 8000 signatures explaining why we need the drivers because the support think we want to broadcom to build us an OS update or something....
The thing is that I can't open a new thread or even post in any thread until the admin give me permission :S
I think would be "representative" if a lot of people saturate its forums asking for bcm21553 drivers (always politely and not like childs of course)
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I'm also not sitting in my chair waiting for Broadcom to release it.
I already registered on Broadcom forums to make a post showing the unfinished work by the ex-employee Nick Lambourne and the petition with more than 8000 signatures explaining why we need the drivers because the support think we want to broadcom to build us an OS update or something....
The thing is that I can't open a new thread or even post in any thread until the admin give me permission :S
I think would be "representative" if a lot of people saturate its forums asking for bcm21553 drivers (always politely and not like childs of course)
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Now that would be a nice idea.
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Why ask Broadcom?
Broadcom had surely give sources for Samsung drivers so that they adapt to their Gingerbread ROM, why not ask them?
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Why ask Broadcom?
Broadcom had surely give sources for Samsung drivers so that they adapt to their Gingerbread ROM, why not ask them?
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They don't have permission.
Thanks for this anwser.
Why Broadcom says contact OEM manufactor ?!
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Thanks for this anwser.
Why Broadcom says contact OEM manufactor ?!
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It's an answer in a political way to evade a yes or a no. Largely known in Incident Management when you can't give an absolute answer to a user (due to either formalism, which is the case, or because it's not in your hands to say yes or no)
This is the "formal letter" I was thinking to post on Broadcom forums but since I still can't post on forums I will send by email (if anybody send me the email of broadcom tech support will be apreciated I don't find any email in their website)
subject: BCM21553 DRIVERS
To Broadcom Corporation.
Dear Broadcom,
I write as a representative of a group of users from XDA-Developers who have the baseband BCM21553 with the graphics accelerator VideoCoreIV GPU, and as you know BCM21553 customers had an important lack of drivers so we can't develop any custom OS for the devices that uses BCM21553.
We understand that this topic reaches over all parts of Broadcom business (legal, engineering, management, etc...) and is a slow process, but as you know a year ago Nick Lambourne <a ex-employee of Broadcom> started to work with us building an EGL library, but since he doesn't work for Broadcom anymore his work is dropped.
So we request to Broadcom to release the BCM21553 drivers, because we need to build gralloc and HGL from source since there is the only way to develop custom OS for BCM21553 devices (like Ginger Bread, Ice Cream Sandwich or even a Jelly Bean port, and also such mods like CyanogenMod and lots of other differents OS).
Also you're probably aware of the petition with more than 8,000 BCM21553 customers signs made on the famous website Change.org -see here: https://www.change.org/petitions/br...er-source-of-gpu-and-cpu-for-bcm21553-devices
I hope the amount of your customers words is taken into consideration.
My sincere thanks,
name:
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hardem said:
This is the "formal letter" I was thinking to post on Broadcom forums but since I still can't post on forums I will send by email (if anybody send me the email of broadcom tech support will be apreciated I don't find any email in their website)
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Over PM! I'll hand these to you
Update: I'm creating a ticket to my local Samsung support here in Chile, they seem to be more receptive to 'open-sourceness' lol now, I need to focus the question well, so that we can be precise on what we need... I have downloaded the source code for the Samsung Galaxy Ace GT-S5830M from OSRC (Samsung Open Source Release Center http://opensource.samsung.com) but the listing is very confusing for me I am a developer indeed.. but I've been a good time out of the tracks, especially when it comes to C++, so I'm asking here to any of our ROM Developers (more especifically, our CM7 ROM Developers or someone from BroadcomCM team), to enlighten me on what to ask, so that my question can be well-formed and clear to the engineering team.
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Over PM! I'll hand these to you
Update: I'm creating a ticket to my local Samsung support here in Chile, they seem to be more receptive to 'open-sourceness' lol now, I need to focus the question well, so that we can be precise on what we need... I have downloaded the source code for the Samsung Galaxy Ace GT-S5830M from OSRC (Samsung Open Source Release Center http://opensource.samsung.com) but the listing is very confusing for me I am a developer indeed.. but I've been a good time out of the tracks, especially when it comes to C++, so I'm asking here to any of our ROM Developers (more especifically, our CM7 ROM Developers or someone from BroadcomCM team), to enlighten me on what to ask, so that my question can be well-formed and clear to the engineering team.
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El_Dark look, you are a working man, you can by a new phone, but i can't, i'm 15 i don't work yet, so, if you can, why are you helping us? it makes me think you are the best person ever, you can leave us, but you are helping us with your resources, so thanks bro, from your neighbor in Brazil .
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Hello, I currently own an SGH-i717 and would like to start rom developing for it and would like to know where to start. If I was a complete noob and compared to most of the people here I might be, how would I download 4.0.3 source code, use adb with my phone and etc etc. I find it all very interesting but I have no idea where to start.
I am asking for help with this specific device, then maybe onto porting for other devices but this model has a very sore lack of developers for it and since I own an ATT Note I would like to start the development for it regarding ICS and etc. Also why is there a lack of developers for this model's roms?
Thanks for any and all help regarding this issue and I am excited to get started developing for you guys!
I think you need something called android sdk
Sent from the only smartphone designed by Chuck Norris
So what do I win if I vote in the poll?
KangKilla said:
Hello, I currently own an SGH-i717 and would like to start rom developing for it and would like to know where to start. If I was a complete noob and compared to most of the people here I might be, how would I download 4.0.3 source code, use adb with my phone and etc etc. I find it all very interesting but I have no idea where to start.
I am asking for help with this specific device, then maybe onto porting for other devices but this model has a very sore lack of developers for it and since I own an ATT Note I would like to start the development for it regarding ICS and etc. Also why is there a lack of developers for this model's roms?
Thanks for any and all help regarding this issue and I am excited to get started developing for you guys!
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google search, ever heard of it before? and there is no lack of devs here unless you consider quantity over quality to be better
LOL
Underground_XI said:
google search, ever heard of it before? and there is no lack of devs here unless you consider quantity over quality to be better
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If that was the case, then why aren't there ice cream sandwich roms for att note?
and also, what do I search for? I'm very busy so I don't have time to mess with google all day. I need someone who is willing to work with me on educating a new developer, that maybe in turn had someone to learn from before them that appreciates a new (quality)developer.
To keep things simple here... Please refrain from jerky comments as I am trying to maintain progression in this area and again I am a very busy person so I would appreciate it if we kept this thread professional.
Thanks again for any help you care to give! I apologize for being a beginner, but everyone has to start somewhere... right?
kevinjgray88 said:
I think you need something called android sdk
Sent from the only smartphone designed by Chuck Norris
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I already have the Android SDK, but I'm not sure how to use it for developing. I tried once and ended up frustrated with it. Are there easy to understand tutorials somewhere around here that might help a beginner?
I've managed to unbrick my captivate using ADB once but it was very foreign to me and I was kinda impressed I even pulled off sending it into download mode. Thanks for helping!
jpeg42 said:
So what do I win if I vote in the poll?
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Tell em what he's won Johnny!!! - A BRAND NEEW ICE CREAM SANDWICH!!!!! - ::And teh crowd goes wild!::
It's good to see someone with a lot of drive to develop, but the biggest hurdle isn't building AOSP from source. You need to get a working kernel that is compatible with ICS and all the Notes hardware. You can't google search how to do that. In reality it's almost impossible to do if you don't have extensive experience with that sort of thing.
We need the source code from Samsung for the Note and as far as I know, there is no source code out yet for the Note (for any version of Android). The roms you are seeing right now (two that Im aware of) are basically rigged versions of the stock rom where things have been removed (bloatware) and a few things have been added that conveniently worked out of the box without messing with code.
The real work will come when we have some source code to work with.
Ok, what's next?
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It's good to see someone with a lot of drive to develop, but the biggest hurdle isn't building AOSP from source. You need to get a working kernel that is compatible with ICS and all the Notes hardware. You can't google search how to do that. In reality it's almost impossible to do if you don't have extensive experience with that sort of thing.
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Okay well that's a start... does anyone know where I can find a stock version of ICS to study it's code and experiment? I found source codes for SGH-i717 here
opensource(dot)samsung(dot)com
(I need more posts to make that a link, lol)
I searched for i717 and it came up with four source results on samsung's opensource search bar but I don't know what the four results are for and what the difference between them all are(unless it means it is for att or tmobile or etc, etc.), if you can tell me any info on these then I would be greatly appreciative.
Yeah, I have no clue how to do most things with coding for android but I do understand how to flash correctly, root and all that jazz. I just lack the programming skills and work flow it takes to make all this. I am downloading java for dummies and learning how to use XML files, but I am wondering if there is something else I should study too?
It sucks that I came here starting from scratch basically but I have learned a lot from here in a short amount of time, I appreciate all of the developers who have made the roms I love along the way, I am just growing impatient with the far and few between updates for your devices and I want to see updates for our devices come faster and the only way to do that is to do something about it. So I am very grateful for any help I get regarding this.
Where can I start with the kernel search? Is that what everyone is waiting on to start developing ICS for this phone? Does anyone know if one exists?
Another Question
What's the difference between a kernel and a rom? Basically.. what the heck is it in lamen's terms?
KangKilla said:
What's the difference between a kernel and a rom? Basically.. what the heck is it in lamen's terms?
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This is a great place to start.
http://developer.android.com/guide/basics/what-is-android.html
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This is not the place to learn how to develop, go to Android Development and Hacking forums and start studying.
We are lucky enough to have a wonderful dev who provides us with ALMOST perfect ICS ROM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1365683
What holds us back from having it REALLY perfect is a lack of arm6 drivers.
That´s why people already have raised their voices in these threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1551784
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1553673
In the meantine, there appeared this initiative, which seems to be growing
VERY FAST.
Would you be the next one to support it?
http://www.groubal.com/ics-drivers-compiled-for-armv6-from-qualcomm/
More info about it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24016074&postcount=43
Spread the word any way you can think of!
... and please don´t spam the groubal!
done
I added my comments in that DevForum
" This request has been brought to the attention of the appropriate people. As with the previous request, I can't say if or when this might actually happen. Thanks! "
come on, something is moving!
Done! Let's keep it going!
done i hope that something will happen
done , let's push it
Signed the groubal but it won't let me post on the qualcomm dev page, it only lets me register
yes.going to do it
right away done
OK, we`re moving quite fast.
But more interestingly, we got response!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24131186&postcount=73
that's a really good news
farazfaraz said:
that's a really good news
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Yes,it really is I love ICS but hate its video/3d performance!
imma bit worried tho, guess from their words (response), they are feels a bit irritating..lol..haha..im maybe wrong..so dont choke me to death coz of my comment here. im on you guys! im just want to 'chat' here..
arielVengeance said:
imma bit worried tho, guess from their words (response), they are feels a bit irritating..lol..haha..im maybe wrong..so dont choke me to death coz of my comment here. im on you guys! im just want to 'chat' here..
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It`s only a word from a guy who monitors forums, he only asked us for patience, because the decision-making will take place somewhere else. You see, IF they decide to release it, they won`t pull it out of the pocket, somebody who is paid for his work would have to work on it, their devs are not hobbiests like here on xda.
So IF they decide positively, it will take some time. In case of arm7 it was like 3 months. Whish I was wrong.
is their any positive reply from qualcomm side ???
sobhan06 said:
is their any positive reply from qualcomm side ???
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Not yet AFAIK. We have to be patient. See previous post.
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https://developer.qualcomm.com/download/adreno200-aulinuxandroidicschococs04000306001-armv6.zip
This release contains the user-mode driver binaries for Qualcomm's Adreno 2xx GPU on Google Android Ice Cream Sandwich for ARMv6 based chipsets. It has been tested with the CAF release M8960AAAAANLYA1030. Supports any Adreno 2xx GPU on Android ICS using the ARMv6 chipset (7x27). Google's libRS (LLVM) does not currently support ARMv6.
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https://developer.qualcomm.com/deve...phics-optimization-adreno/tools-and-resources
FINALLY XD
Anyway, what does "Google's libRS (LLVM) does not currently support ARMv6" means ? How much will it affect developing ? Sorry, not a dev,but just interested in it..
Do sony still care about this old device?? I hv leave my phone in drawer fot ages.....
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Hello All,
As you all know I've been part of Xda and assiting in a positive resolution from HTC in requests from Bootloaders to source codes. Well seeing we have a great device that seemed to be given EOL to early in its game.. in my opinion due to lack of marketing skills. Well I will be posting in HTC FB to get our voice out to them for the Source Code release for our device.
Please comment "Like" and comment to request this so we can continue development for the Flyer.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151213297764443&set=o.165420456859572&type=1&ref=nf
And Here:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151213304969443&set=o.101063233083&type=1&relevant_count=1
Um, source code of what? They release sources of Honeycomb, and there are no sources of ICS or Jelly Bean, so what's the whole point?
Source code for drivers which can be ported to ICS and JB. Anyway it helps coders make their own drivers for Camera/Front camera and for video
kayoma said:
Source code for drivers which can be ported to ICS and JB. Anyway it helps coders make their own drivers for Camera/Front camera and for video
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Then we would need not just the drivers, but the whole 3.x kernel. I believe it's much harder to adapt ICS/JB drivers to GB/HC kernels
kayoma said:
Source code for drivers which can be ported to ICS and JB. Anyway it helps coders make their own drivers for Camera/Front camera and for video
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Then we're asking the wrong ppl, it's not HTC. to understand this first you need to understand what makes up a ROM.
There is the kernel which is low level device specific, the kernel is mostly based on open source linux code, htc adds some board and device specific configuration on top of that.
Then there is the aosp which is also open source, an operating system provided by google that makes up most part of any ROM.
Then you have your aosp derivative like CM or AOKP, which provides board specific fixes and some customization. HTC's ROM is also based on aosp, but they add their own sense look and feel to it.
And finally and most importantly you have your close source proprietary drivers provided by chip manufactures like Qualcomm and TI. They control cameras, wifi, BT...etc. So in reality there is very little HTC could do as they don't have the rights to release these code. And that's is where most ppl run into issues.
So to create a ROM is not hard at all, anybody can download the source code and compile it to generate a ROM as most of the source code are all open source. What will be helpful is if Qualcomm releases the source code for their drivers, which I doubt they will ever do, otherwise they wouldn't be close source in the first place. The only thing we could do is try to reverse engineer the device base on logs and understanding of how each component should work and make educated guesses.
Due to HTC lack of effort on this device (No ICS - HC was slow joke) I will never buy another HTC product again, same goes for sony, though they did eventually update xperia x10i it was only due to huge pressure not because they wanted to.
I want to buy an electronic product that potentially remains relevant at least a year later otherwise forget it.
so i sent this letter to HTC
after reading this page where HTC discusses 4.1 upgrades i decided to drop them a line "
DIRECTLY FROM YOUR WEBSITE:
When will additional devices receive Android 4.1?
In addition to the HTC One X and HTC One S, we are actively reviewing our product portfolio to identify candidates to receive Jelly Bean. Our goal is to prioritize review for devices launched in 2012 with our numerous carrier partners across multiple regions and then consider our ability to provide updates to products from 2011.
What devices will not get Android 4.1?
We work hard to ensure each of our products has the optimal user experience and therefore some products will remain at their current version of Android. In general, devices with 512MB RAM or less will not be upgraded to Android 4.1. At present, these devices include the HTC One V and the HTC Desire C. As we identify other devices that will not be upgraded, we'll provide updated information.
What about a development version of Android 4.1?
For our developer community, we plan to make generic development ROMs of Jelly Bean available for both the HTC One X and HTC One S. As soon as the ROMs are ready, they will be posted to our HTCdev site (www.htcdev.com). We strongly recommend customers take the time to understand the limitations of the development software along with the terms and conditions on the site before downloading to their device.
REALLY!? have you listened to what your customers have asked/said about the HTC flyer at all?! where is OUR 4.1 DEVELOPMENT ROM! wtf! where are you for us!? I can tell you where... you are giving us 3.2 HC that takes away two very important features i bought the device for #1 GPS! completely broken by your newest update to HC. #2. Hardware Keys.... WHY?! i understand that HC introduced soft keys. so you say you "We work hard to ensure each of our products has the optimal user experience" BULL! you clearly weren't thinking about the end user when you pushed out that HC update for the flyer. Would have been smarter for you to leave us on working GB and go straight to ICS or JB when it was ready! this is lunacy! who ever is making decisions in your company needs fired. you are bleeding money from everywhere. why don't you bring it back to the old school HTC that CARED! ABOUT! IT'S CUSTOMERS! listen to what we are saying! hear our voice! we have signed petitions. we have pleaded on multiple forums. WE have poured over your FB and twitter pages asking for you to throw us a freaking bone here.... when is it gonna happen? ever?!
I still have my flyer and i love it dearly. but without updates it's falling behind the pack. I recently bought a 10.1 galaxy note. while i'm happy with it's speed and what not. it's not the form factor i want. which is what the flyer is for me. perfect. PLEASE DON'T GIVE UP ON US OR THIS DEVICE! PLEASE RELEASE A DEVELOPER ROM FOR OUR FLYER! "
this was their reply (you will want to read it for sure)
Dear Matt,
Thanks for contacting HTC!
We completely understand your concern and I thank you for your patience and am deeply sorry if this issue has caused you any dissatisfaction with HTC or its phones. I hope that it will not detract from your overall perspective of the device or the company. You are the most important part of the HTC Family.
We listen to our community and feedbacks like yours are the ones that make us revise our decisions, and try to find the correct balance between the device’s performance and usability. We cannot announce or say anything about the Flyer right now but what I can tell you is that we are, indeed, paying attention to the community´s feedback and opinions.
Should you require further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us through http://www.htc.com/us/support/email-support or call us at +1-866-449-8358 from 6AM to 1AM EST, 7 days a week.
Have a great day!
Let me know if I have successfully answered your question, please click here to complete this.
To send a reply to this message, please click here.
Sincerely,
Carlos
HTC
I appreciate the passion here, but HTC left this device for dead along with the Jetstream and View shortly after releasing it. We received what would amounted to a Beta of Honeycomb then they closed up shop. You live and learn, and although I still use my Flyer and enjoy it I will not buy another HTC device
I completely agree with you .. HTC should give us ICS or JB for our Flyer as a good faith. We must keep GB because honeycomb is a joke..
I use my Flyer and i try as much as possible with the optimized news on GB .. and share with you.
Hoping for a good action on their part for JB!!
Fatal1ty_18_RUS said:
Then we would need not just the drivers, but the whole 3.x kernel. I believe it's much harder to adapt ICS/JB drivers to GB/HC kernels
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so the kernel source for HC 3.2 that's in HTCDev,,that is NOT the entire kernel sourcecode?
i know it's an old thread but i am wondering...
gersto said:
so the kernel source for HC 3.2 that's in HTCDev,,that is NOT the entire kernel sourcecode?
i know it's an old thread but i am wondering...
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that the honeycomb kernel .
doesn't do you much good for ICS or JB
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Then we're asking the wrong ppl, it's not HTC. to understand this first you need to understand what makes up a ROM.
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You didn't understand I think. The drivers are part of the kernel. May they be compiled into the kernel itself or in form of modules. Drivers can be binary objects to be linked (already compiled) or source code which will be compiled when the kernel is built.
If you have the drivers source code there is a fairly good chance to get them running in newer kernels with some minor changes.
So from my point of view you will have a good chance to even get 4.2 up and running as long as you have the drivers source code.
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You didn't understand I think. The drivers are part of the kernel. May they be compiled into the kernel itself or in form of modules. Drivers can be binary objects to be linked (already compiled) or source code which will be compiled when the kernel is built.
If you have the drivers source code there is a fairly good chance to get them running in newer kernels with some minor changes.
So from my point of view you will have a good chance to even get 4.2 up and running as long as you have the drivers source code.
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yeah, so my point is HTC publishes kernel source code, not drivers, they don't even own some of the drivers .,so you will never get that. You get a HC kernel ,that works with a HC blob set and you cannot build a working 4.xx kernel because you don;t have a 4.xxx blob set and HTC won't give you one because they have never written one and never will
DigitalMD said:
that the honeycomb kernel .
doesn't do you much good for ICS or JB
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well they must be of some good since we have ICS/JB ROMs out there that are "mostly" complete, slick and usable, although slightly buggy, so obviously yeah i get that it doesn't solve all the issues we have, since some drivers are missing: as evident by the non-working FC, no hardware decoding for video, and semi-working BT
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yeah, so my point is HTC publishes kernel source code, not drivers, they don't even own some of the drivers .,so you will never get that. You get a HC kernel ,that works with a HC blob set and you cannot build a working 4.xx kernel because you don;t have a 4.xxx blob set and HTC won't give you one because they have never written one and never will
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Not exactly. The kernel is also part of AOSP. And even if HTC does not supply the driver sources there is a slight chance to use old driver binaries or to have them reverse engineered by some genius dev. Hope is the last to die
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Not exactly. The kernel is also part of AOSP. And even if HTC does not supply the driver sources there is a slight chance to use old driver binaries or to have them reverse engineered by some genius dev. Hope is the last to die
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Keep dreaming. Some of the best around have tried that path.
No the device kernel is not in AOSP, the base linux (ANdorid) kernel source resides there, but if you look at the build, it calls in device , vendor, OS verson and board specific components to make a complete build. All that hooks into the blobs (drivers and libs) to make up the device specific environment that allows Android version X.XX to run
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Keep dreaming. Some of the best around have tried that path.
No the device kernel is not in AOSP, the base linux (ANdorid) kernel source resides there, but if you look at the build, it calls in device , vendor, OS verson and board specific components to make a complete build. All that hooks into the blobs (drivers and libs) to make up the device specific environment that allows Android version X.XX to run
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Thanks for clarification. So I was not wrong about the drivers, which are the device and vendor specific components. In other words if you can get the vendor to release their sources or make their chip/board manufacturers to release their sources is the only way to go. Seems a bit unrealistic though but who knows...
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All should email the HTCDev
Use this link http://www.htcdev.com/contact
They themselves posted on that link
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151213304969443&set=o.101063233083&type=1&relevant_count=1
Takes just f**kin 5 seconds
May be they will listen some day
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All should email the HTCDev
Use this link http://www.htcdev.com/contact
They themselves posted on that link
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151213304969443&set=o.101063233083&type=1&relevant_count=1
Takes just f**kin 5 seconds
May be they will listen some day
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Good news guys.
The 3.4 kernel sources are avaliable: http://www.htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads
The petition;:
Hello everybody!
As some of you know, I already started to work on CM10.1, but i stuck while HTC don't share the 3.4.0 JB kernel sources.
The kernel licensed under GNU GPL, but HTC violate this license. 3.4.0 JB kernel released about 2 months ago, but they didn't share the sources yet. I tried to talk with them, but they didn't help me. Now i would like to ask you for help. I hope, if you help me, and we fight together, we will get the sources and I can make a fine CyanogenMod 10.1.
Please help us with these steps:
1. step:
Sign and share this petition: http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/htc-desire-x-protou-kernel-source.html
2. step:
Send this letter for HTC here: http://www.htc.com/us/contact/email/
Please select the United States as your country, because in some country they can't help us.
So the letter: (Thanks for @ekulnitsua)
Dear HTC,
We appreciate the good quality, look and feel and the design of HTC smartphone products. That’s why our developers have created many ROMs for the phone with the Ice Cream Sandwich (4.0) Kernel source code, but currently our developers are left unable to continue further.
An official HTC Desire X (codenamed proto) Jelly Bean (4.1.1) OTA (Over-The-Air) update was released almost two months ago on the 27th of March, 2013, and subsequently updated and rolled out throughout the Desire X userbase. The htcdev.com website, however, has still not been updated with the matching kernel source.
As we are sure you are aware, Android is an open-platform and is based on the GNU/Linux Kernel. The Linux kernel is licensed under GNU General Public License v2 or GPL (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html), which, as such, means that you are legally obliged to release the source code for any derivative work within a reasonable time frame.
This, however, is not just a legal obligation; developers are working hard to bring new ROMs and continue support to your devices, which many of your customers are eager to use. By releasing the kernel source code you can improve our experiences with the device and with HTC as a company. The very openness of Android is intended to draw many people and by withholding kernel source code you are ultimately alienating your customers who may move on to purchase devices made by a different company (e.g. a Google Nexus device with pure and newest Android).
We appreciate that you have made a commitment to aid us in the development of firmware by allowing for the unlocking of the bootloader, but without the Kernel sources such gestures remain severely hampered. Similarly, we are grateful that you are continuing to support the Desire X and it’s community, but we would all be happier if your continued support was not only directed at your customers, but also in the spirit of Linux and as required by copyright law.
Our petition: gopetition.com/petitions/htc-desire-x-protou-kernel-source/signatures.html
XDA-Developers link: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2288883
Contact e-mail: [email protected] (Attila Tóth "atis112" XDA-Developers Recognized Developer)
Yours Sincerely,
The xda-developers community.
This letter was written and is signed by the xda-developers community.
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Thank you.
atis112
I appreciate everything thing you've done so far and everything you will do, and I'll be very happy to help.
These kind of letters are my speciality. I'll draft something now so we can all send them across...
How about something like this (VERY heavily based on the Desire S letter):
Dear HTC,
We appreciate the good quality, look and feel and the design of HTC smartphone products. That’s why our developers have created many ROMs for the phone with the Ice Cream Sandwich (4.0) Kernel source code, but currently our developers are left unable to continue further.
An official HTC Desire X (codenamed proto) Jelly Bean (4.1.1) OTA (Over-The-Air) update was released almost two months ago on the 27th of March, 2013, and subsequently updated and rolled out throughout the Desire X userbase. The htcdev.com website, however, has still not been updated with the matching kernel source.
As we are sure you are aware, Android is an open-platform and is based on the GNU/Linux Kernel. The Linux kernel is licensed under GNU General Public License v2 or GPL (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html), which, as such, means that you are legally obliged to release the source code for any derivative work within a reasonable time frame.
This, however, is not just a legal obligation; developers are working hard to bring new ROMs and continue support to your devices, which many of your customers are eager to use. By releasing the kernel source code you can improve our experiences with the device and with HTC as a company. The very openness of Android is intended to draw many people and by withholding kernel source code you are ultimately alienating your customers who may move on to purchase devices made by a different company (e.g. a Google Nexus device with pure and newest Android).
We appreciate that you have made a commitment to aid us in the development of firmware by allowing for the unlocking of the bootloader, but without the Kernel sources such gestures remain severely hampered. Similarly, we are grateful that you are continuing to support the Desire X and it’s community, but we would all be happier if your continued support was not only directed at your customers, but also in the spirit of Linux and as required by copyright law.
Yours Sincerely,
The xda-developers community.
This letter was written and is signed by the xda-developers community.
(ok, I've finished tweaking now, that should be it)
Well written ekulnitsua, I hope that it will make them worry about this problem. I would wait for a reply and then (if they won't share kernel sources) report to GNU.
They haven't even released JB rom worldwide so dont expect kernel sources to come so fast.. They will release it when JB has reached to all the parts of the world.
Renowned companies like HTC usually comply with the licenses. They have a good image. Just wait for some time...
@deathnotice01 we need ur skill here
Just sharing my Idea Peace
Dear HTC,
First of all Good Day! I have used HTC Devices since 2011 and I have liked the way you guys made HTC Sense and all the components that make your devices run better than others. Starting from Froyo to Jelly Bean I have an HTC Device. A few weeks ago my friend received an OTA (Over the Air Update) for JellyBean (Android 4.1.1) and HTC Sense 4+ this update was great! it made the device smoother and cleaner and more battery efficient, even though there were some "minor" bugs this update stood out and made me more proud of my HTC Desire X, obviously this was better than Ice Cream Sandwich which came stock on the Desire X, I wrote this letter to ask you guys to please update the Kernel Sources for Jelly Bean which came with the new 3.4 kernel if Iam not mistaken.
I'am sure that you guys are aware, Android is an an open source operating system (OS) based on the GNU/Linux Kernel. he Linux kernel is licensed under GNU General Public License v2 or GPL (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html), which, as such, means that you are legally obliged to release the source code for any derivative work within a reasonable time frame.
This however is only a request. Developers are working hard to make new ROMs for the HTC Desire X and continue support to your wonderful device. By releasing the kernel source code you can improve user experience to your device and help developers in the process.
We appreciate the things that you have done for your devices and maintaining them by series of updates and making them better everytime.
But without the Kernel sources such gestures remain severely hampered. Similarly, we are grateful that you are continuing to support the Desire X and it’s community, but we would all be happier if your continued support was not only directed at your customers, but also in the spirit of Linux and as required by copyright law.
Yours Sincerely,
The xda-developers community.
This letter was written and is signed by the xda-developers community.
Just sharing though, I was supposed to send this but I should post it here first I have re-written some sentences from the 2nd post so please don't be mad and sorry for my crappy English if HTC would not release these sources Zombies will eat them alive XD
prototype-U said:
They haven't even released JB rom worldwide so dont expect kernel sources to come so fast.. They will release it when JB has reached to all the parts of the world.
Renowned companies like HTC usually comply with the licenses. They have a good image. Just wait for some time...
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Been waiting for too long man. 45 days was the promise, and its been near 60 days. And there isnt even a SUPPORTIVE ANNOUNCEMENT that it will come. Why cant they even make an OFFICIAL STATEMENT, just to calm our nerves. Thats very bad image they are making in eyes of good developers like atis112 and others.
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Been waiting for too long man. 45 days was the promise, and its been near 60 days. And there isnt even a SUPPORTIVE ANNOUNCEMENT that it will come. Why cant they even make an OFFICIAL STATEMENT, just to calm our nerves. Thats very bad image they are making in eyes of good developers like atis112 and others.
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I am really patient.. We will definitely get it in future.
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Been waiting for too long man. 45 days was the promise, and its been near 60 days. And there isnt even a SUPPORTIVE ANNOUNCEMENT that it will come. Why cant they even make an OFFICIAL STATEMENT, just to calm our nerves. Thats very bad image they are making in eyes of good developers like atis112 and others.
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I think so too. Why should they share their sources now if we don't complain? We should decide. Either make only one letter for the whole community, or as many letters as possible so that they'll have enough to read.
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dansou901 said:
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I think so too. Why should they share their sources now if we don't complain? We should decide. Either make only one letter for the whole community, or as many letters as possible so that they'll have enough to read.
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Well personally HTC would not care for our letters anyway because look at this OTA? NeXus PRIME is right 45 days is promised to spread the update world wide its been 60 days and still nothing I have also done the same thing for the Desire C users ( I was supposed to buy that if i never knew HTC has a stock of DXs ) and they never responded But those kernel sources would be awesome
But its worth a shot
Peace dont flame me XD
And what should I put in the letter its asking for my full name should I put XDA-Developers? Or my name? thanks
Well ... released in all countries or not , it's still released out there and it's licensed under GPL . The product is officially out there but the sources are not . It's not like it's in a beta test or anything , at least not officially . A release has been made , regardless of its bugs , and the kernel sources should have been provided as well . At least that's the way I see it
Also , we should first wait for a response from hTC before reporting them to GNU . Maybe hTC still have some arguments & reasons for not releasing it . Maybe the cleaning lady didn't go through all the code xD
I'm really disappointed to see how such a promissing device as the DX has so little ROM-wise development . It's wierd because hTC seems to be quite the developer-friendly company , unlike Samsung for example .
This was my first hTC and even though I'm really liking the overall look , feel & performance of the device , I really , really don't like Sense xD
There's really no point mincing words and playing nice: don't think they wouldn't come down on your heads if you used some propriety HTC code / design - Beautiful widgets are a case in point.
The whole idea of Android is that it's open source, anti-copyright, a stark contrast to the world of apple & microsoft and withholding sources is completely contrary to this philosophy.
Agreed though, I think we send this letter (or variations of it, if you're not happy about the strength of the language) wait a reasonable amount of time and then report it if nothing has happened / no reasonable reply is received.
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There's really no point mincing words and playing nice: don't think they wouldn't come down on your heads if you used some propriety HTC code / design - Beautiful widgets are a case in point.
The whole idea of Android is that it's open source, anti-copyright, a stark contrast to the world of apple & microsoft and withholding sources is completely contrary to this philosophy.
Agreed though, I think we send this letter (or variations of it, if you're not happy about the strength of the language) wait a reasonable amount of time and then report it if nothing has happened / no reasonable reply is received.
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I am really happy with the strength of the language. We have to show them what we want and that they are doing something wrong, so...
I think someone who has a higher position should write the letter. As a "normal" person we won't succeed.
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Rebekka_Sun said:
I think someone who has a higher position should write the letter. As a "normal" person we won't succeed.
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If we act as a big community, it should work too... But if someone of us would know someone working there, this could help...
This is what we sgy users did..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1869565
The xda-developers must have a founder! Why don't we ask this person? I mean the developer of this site will get more "reaction" than some "members". Or why don't we act on Twitter, facebook, instagramm, ... There are so much people even on Facebook. We'll have a chance.
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The xda-developers must have a founder! Why don't we ask this person? I mean the developer of this site will get more "reaction" than some "members". Or why don't we act on Twitter, facebook, instagramm, ... There are so much people even on Facebook. We'll have a chance.
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You are high.
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prototype-U said:
You are high.
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My thoughts exactly...
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prototype-U said:
This is what we sgy users did..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1869565
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Samsung is more developer friendly than HTC + they release their kernel source immidiately without people asking them
Thank you @ekulnitsua and @The Android Manual and everybody who support us. I already made an online petition too, I hope we will got a lot of sign, and we can write enough letter for HTC, and they will take it seriously. I will update the OP soon. I will add the link to the petition in the message, the link to this thread and if it isn't problem for you I add my email too, and so they can contact with me if they want, and i will share their message with you.
Thank you
atis112
Link. : http://chn.ge/1oAvQ5E
Well well well...
we have completed above 100signs of our petition
So its time to mail them :
Process
Firstly go to : http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=inquiryView
then fill all the informations ( Ive provided Screen
Shot for reference )
then fill all things as asked and copy paste the
message ive written (confirmed with @T3snake )
here you go :
Requester : Your Name
ID(E-mail) : Your email adress
Country : select Your Country
Inquiry Type :
Model : Enter your phone model
Message :
Dear Samsung
, the development community, are striving very
hard to achieve that objective. Many users of
Android based Samsung devices want to make the
phones released by you truly inspirational and
surpass any competition. These powerhouses will
achieve its true potential only when the
development community get the Rom Source Codes
will not only benefits the end user but will also be
highly beneficial forSamsung in the long run, as
these customers will then get utmost satisfaction
with their device and will then help in the word-of-
mouth publicity of Samsung products all over the
world.
A truly inspirational product is born when it
inspires the masses and is able to mesmerize the
entire world. With great phones like Samsung Galaxy Star Duos Gt-S5282, we are witnessing a paradigm shift in the
mobile industry and need your little help in making
this turning point even more monumental.
We request you to release the source code for the rom(and not just the kernel) as well as drivers for the different hardware components that require it.
We hope we will not be disappointed by a customer
centric company like yours. Hoping for a positive
response.
Warm regards,
A true Samsung fan.
Add petition link
send it ; Done!
Also..
One thing is signing the petition but we also need the proper email address for the samsung people to know that the petition is growing....
Also ill update more specific info for that petition..
If u have mail address for any one who is responsible for the source code.... pls give that here or pm me
I will update it in the petition.
Thank YOU!
DONE...!
Done..
Signed it
Share it to your friends
we have to do it...
share it to your friends who will help you and us so that we can goal our target to 100
anyways thanks.
how the fubba uubba cubba kubba do i sign it? ¯\(°_o)/¯
psych.half said:
how the fubba uubba cubba kubba do i sign it? ¯\(°_o)/¯
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if you have then thanks..
and happy to see you back on xda
( i still remember your humorous jokes O.0
psych.half said:
how the fubba uubba cubba kubba do i sign it? ¯\(°_o)/¯
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Some1 updated the device tree and added some patches..
All ur dev records gone....... U r strange or crazy (whatever u wanna take as a compliment)
Also help me with some content in that petition
Dont even know what im asking for
T3snake said:
Some1 updated the device tree and added some patches..
All ur dev records gone....... U r strange or crazy (whatever u wanna take as a compliment)
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oh, you mean this github.com/codekidX/android_device_samsung_gt-s5282 ?
that tree is not even half complete.. and sorry but half of the commits there are ******** >_>
the only complete tree is cm-10.1 by unjust. however he did a blind update for cm11, but that needs a lot of reworking :|
and as for the patches, you can see my post in the other thread.. :s
i'll take that as a compliment, thank you ._.
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and happy to see you back on xda
( i still remember your humorous jokes O.0
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i'm Back! with a capital B and an exclamation mark
i don't remeber joking about anything :/
and screw petitions.. if you think samsung will release anything (other than the kernel which they have to if they don't wanna get ***** because it's GPL), then you all need take your head out of samsung's ****
samsung doesn't want people to make custom roms.. if their 1 year old Galaxy Star 4.1.2 is running a smooth and stable 4.4.4, who the hell is gonna buy their new Galaxy Sh!t 4.4.4 with their new and improved Touchwiz?
psych.half said:
oh, you mean this github.com/codekidX/android_device_samsung_gt-s5282 ?
that tree is not even half complete.. and sorry but half of the commits there are ******** >_>
the only complete tree is cm-10.1 by unjust. however he did a blind update for cm11, but that needs a lot of reworking :|
and as for the patches, you can see my post in the other thread.. :s
i'll take that as a compliment, thank you ._.
i'm Back! with a capital B and an exclamation mark
i don't remeber joking about anything :/
and screw petitions.. if you think samsung will release anything (other than the kernel which they have to if they don't wanna get ***** because it's GPL), then you all need take your head out of samsung's ****
samsung doesn't want people to make custom roms.. if their 1 year old Galaxy Star 4.1.2 is running a smooth and stable 4.4.4, who the hell is gonna buy their new Galaxy Sh!t 4.4.4 with their new and improved Touchwiz?
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Even if we dont get anything ill do all i can to annoy them
I really want to tdo the best to annoy them
Btw did they release sources for y ? If they did maybe well have a chance
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T3snake said:
Even if we dont get anything ill do all i can to annoy them
I really want to tdo the best to annoy them
Btw did they release sources for y ? If they did maybe well have a chance
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it's of no use, they will just ignore it.. just take exynos for example :|
nope not that i know of.. samdung only releases source for kernel, cause that's what they need to release anyway..
the source was released by broadcom for their gpu videocore iv for raspberry pi, which iirc turned out to be not so helpful for galaxy y..
looking at the gerrit review of androidarmv6.. it looks like they are modifying sources to work with proprietary blobs and modifying other sources to work with the device.. and that's for audio, gpu etc...
those, work in this device.. camera can be fixed on further looking.. the HAL was working but crash is due to some memory heap error..
the only problem is of ril.. and i already have said about ril in other thread
Done
Done
I dont think samsung cares about releasing source other than kernel which is why this friday I'm buying Moto G and leaving Samsung for good. You guys should do the same since samsung wont care and keep making bull**** phones.
ironman38102 said:
I dont think samsung cares about releasing source other than kernel which is why this friday I'm buying Moto G and leaving Samsung for good. You guys should do the same since samsung wont care and keep making bull**** phones.
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Only because they *must*, unless they only want to sell their phones where copyright does not exsist. They are not by required by the apache license to give the source. Just take a look what they did and are doing with the exynos.
I don't know what the f**k is samsung doing, they could have just updated this old device, but no they release new ones with basically just a little hardware improvement which could have been done firstly in the old one. :|
Speaking about hardware the sc8810 board used this device can handle 640x480 resolution and 1gb of ram just fine. And the new star ii they are going to release is supposed to use sc8815 board which can handle 800x480 resolution.
But no, they have to cripple it down to no good and make people think spredtum is ****ty. though not good as the big games out there. spreadtrum makes considerable SoC for the price it is offered.
And you can find far better spec'd spreadtrum devices produced by other companies. But many people won't even look at those devies and buy the crippled samsung ones, cause it's samusung duh. >_>
And oh, they also say, the 1gb galaxy s3 is not able to handle kitkat. and here people get kitkat running on 3 year old armv6 device with 290mb of ram :3
Good, thing my star broke, i wanted to throw it anyway. =|
By the way welcome back. and thanks for contributing to this device. if it was not for you and others this device wouldn't even imagine of making a place in xda.
And have fun with your new Moto G =)
psych.half said:
Only because they *must*, unless they only want to sell their phones where copyright does not exsist. They are not by required by the apache license to give the source. Just take a look what they did and are doing with the exynos.
I don't know what the f**k is samsung doing, they could have just updated this old device, but no they release new ones with basically just a little hardware improvement which could have been done firstly in the old one. :|
Speaking about hardware the sc8810 board used this device can handle 640x480 resolution and 1gb of ram just fine. And the new star ii they are going to release is supposed to use sc8815 board which can handle 800x480 resolution.
But no, they have to cripple it down to no good and make people think spredtum is ****ty. though not good as the big games out there. spreadtrum makes considerable SoC for the price it is offered.
And you can find far better spec'd spreadtrum devices produced by other companies. But many people won't even look at those devies and buy the crippled samsung ones, cause it's samusung duh. >_>
And oh, they also say, the 1gb galaxy s3 is not able to handle kitkat. and here people get kitkat running on 3 year old armv6 device with 290mb of ram :3
Good, thing my star broke, i wanted to throw it anyway. =|
By the way welcome back. and thanks for contributing to this device. if it was not for you and others this device wouldn't even imagine of making a place in xda.
And have fun with your new Moto G =)
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hmm waiting for mine to break. But ill have to break it with perfect timing to get a new mobile.
And they released 4 new phones just when better mobiles were crushing the market. The biggest noobs here might be better than samsung at such things. Uhhh!
Well this 1 was the gud 1(At its price) when i bought it so really cant complain on the better mobiles but if they just paid a bit of attention on this phone No-one wud be mad
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Only because they *must*, unless they only want to sell their phones where copyright does not exsist. They are not by required by the apache license to give the source. Just take a look what they did and are doing with the exynos.
I don't know what the f**k is samsung doing, they could have just updated this old device, but no they release new ones with basically just a little hardware improvement which could have been done firstly in the old one. :|
Speaking about hardware the sc8810 board used this device can handle 640x480 resolution and 1gb of ram just fine. And the new star ii they are going to release is supposed to use sc8815 board which can handle 800x480 resolution.
But no, they have to cripple it down to no good and make people think spredtum is ****ty. though not good as the big games out there. spreadtrum makes considerable SoC for the price it is offered.
And you can find far better spec'd spreadtrum devices produced by other companies. But many people won't even look at those devies and buy the crippled samsung ones, cause it's samusung duh. >_>
And oh, they also say, the 1gb galaxy s3 is not able to handle kitkat. and here people get kitkat running on 3 year old armv6 device with 290mb of ram :3
Good, thing my star broke, i wanted to throw it anyway. =|
By the way welcome back. and thanks for contributing to this device. if it was not for you and others this device wouldn't even imagine of making a place in xda.
And have fun with your new Moto G =)
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I really tried to get CM in this device but due to limited source code it is impossible. Thanks for your contributions too and it is good to be back!
T3snake said:
hmm waiting for mine to break. But ill have to break it with perfect timing to get a new mobile.
And they released 4 new phones just when better mobiles were crushing the market. The biggest noobs here might be better than samsung at such things. Uhhh!
Well this 1 was the gud 1(At its price) when i bought it so really cant complain on the better mobiles but if they just paid a bit of attention on this phone No-one wud be mad
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well, they didnt update star,pocket neo, young, :|
i havent checked what 4 devices are.. but if those devices are getting 4.4.2, i doubt they will even update those to 4.4.4
ironman38102 said:
I really tried to get CM in this device but due to limited source code it is impossible. Thanks for your contributions too and it is good to be back!
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ril would have worked without source if they had not modified the API too much, the audio, hwc and others work pretty well..
if star 2 will use standard api, there is a chance it can be portred for star, too.. as the board is similar
anways, this device has no developer for now, at least a bootable build of cm11 could be made if any one was working on it :3
welcome back bro
i checked with the htc devs but to no avail none of them are ready to touch a stupid samsung device(u can see why)
@superuser tried to help but naa it dint work out.
and are u gonna develop 4 dis device?
and ur star broke?
so darn lucky:laugh:
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@psych.half good to see you back XD
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