Good news guys.
The 3.4 kernel sources are avaliable: http://www.htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads
The petition;:
Hello everybody!
As some of you know, I already started to work on CM10.1, but i stuck while HTC don't share the 3.4.0 JB kernel sources.
The kernel licensed under GNU GPL, but HTC violate this license. 3.4.0 JB kernel released about 2 months ago, but they didn't share the sources yet. I tried to talk with them, but they didn't help me. Now i would like to ask you for help. I hope, if you help me, and we fight together, we will get the sources and I can make a fine CyanogenMod 10.1.
Please help us with these steps:
1. step:
Sign and share this petition: http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/htc-desire-x-protou-kernel-source.html
2. step:
Send this letter for HTC here: http://www.htc.com/us/contact/email/
Please select the United States as your country, because in some country they can't help us.
So the letter: (Thanks for @ekulnitsua)
Dear HTC,
We appreciate the good quality, look and feel and the design of HTC smartphone products. That’s why our developers have created many ROMs for the phone with the Ice Cream Sandwich (4.0) Kernel source code, but currently our developers are left unable to continue further.
An official HTC Desire X (codenamed proto) Jelly Bean (4.1.1) OTA (Over-The-Air) update was released almost two months ago on the 27th of March, 2013, and subsequently updated and rolled out throughout the Desire X userbase. The htcdev.com website, however, has still not been updated with the matching kernel source.
As we are sure you are aware, Android is an open-platform and is based on the GNU/Linux Kernel. The Linux kernel is licensed under GNU General Public License v2 or GPL (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html), which, as such, means that you are legally obliged to release the source code for any derivative work within a reasonable time frame.
This, however, is not just a legal obligation; developers are working hard to bring new ROMs and continue support to your devices, which many of your customers are eager to use. By releasing the kernel source code you can improve our experiences with the device and with HTC as a company. The very openness of Android is intended to draw many people and by withholding kernel source code you are ultimately alienating your customers who may move on to purchase devices made by a different company (e.g. a Google Nexus device with pure and newest Android).
We appreciate that you have made a commitment to aid us in the development of firmware by allowing for the unlocking of the bootloader, but without the Kernel sources such gestures remain severely hampered. Similarly, we are grateful that you are continuing to support the Desire X and it’s community, but we would all be happier if your continued support was not only directed at your customers, but also in the spirit of Linux and as required by copyright law.
Our petition: gopetition.com/petitions/htc-desire-x-protou-kernel-source/signatures.html
XDA-Developers link: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2288883
Contact e-mail: [email protected] (Attila Tóth "atis112" XDA-Developers Recognized Developer)
Yours Sincerely,
The xda-developers community.
This letter was written and is signed by the xda-developers community.
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Thank you.
atis112
I appreciate everything thing you've done so far and everything you will do, and I'll be very happy to help.
These kind of letters are my speciality. I'll draft something now so we can all send them across...
How about something like this (VERY heavily based on the Desire S letter):
Dear HTC,
We appreciate the good quality, look and feel and the design of HTC smartphone products. That’s why our developers have created many ROMs for the phone with the Ice Cream Sandwich (4.0) Kernel source code, but currently our developers are left unable to continue further.
An official HTC Desire X (codenamed proto) Jelly Bean (4.1.1) OTA (Over-The-Air) update was released almost two months ago on the 27th of March, 2013, and subsequently updated and rolled out throughout the Desire X userbase. The htcdev.com website, however, has still not been updated with the matching kernel source.
As we are sure you are aware, Android is an open-platform and is based on the GNU/Linux Kernel. The Linux kernel is licensed under GNU General Public License v2 or GPL (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html), which, as such, means that you are legally obliged to release the source code for any derivative work within a reasonable time frame.
This, however, is not just a legal obligation; developers are working hard to bring new ROMs and continue support to your devices, which many of your customers are eager to use. By releasing the kernel source code you can improve our experiences with the device and with HTC as a company. The very openness of Android is intended to draw many people and by withholding kernel source code you are ultimately alienating your customers who may move on to purchase devices made by a different company (e.g. a Google Nexus device with pure and newest Android).
We appreciate that you have made a commitment to aid us in the development of firmware by allowing for the unlocking of the bootloader, but without the Kernel sources such gestures remain severely hampered. Similarly, we are grateful that you are continuing to support the Desire X and it’s community, but we would all be happier if your continued support was not only directed at your customers, but also in the spirit of Linux and as required by copyright law.
Yours Sincerely,
The xda-developers community.
This letter was written and is signed by the xda-developers community.
(ok, I've finished tweaking now, that should be it)
Well written ekulnitsua, I hope that it will make them worry about this problem. I would wait for a reply and then (if they won't share kernel sources) report to GNU.
They haven't even released JB rom worldwide so dont expect kernel sources to come so fast.. They will release it when JB has reached to all the parts of the world.
Renowned companies like HTC usually comply with the licenses. They have a good image. Just wait for some time...
@deathnotice01 we need ur skill here
Just sharing my Idea Peace
Dear HTC,
First of all Good Day! I have used HTC Devices since 2011 and I have liked the way you guys made HTC Sense and all the components that make your devices run better than others. Starting from Froyo to Jelly Bean I have an HTC Device. A few weeks ago my friend received an OTA (Over the Air Update) for JellyBean (Android 4.1.1) and HTC Sense 4+ this update was great! it made the device smoother and cleaner and more battery efficient, even though there were some "minor" bugs this update stood out and made me more proud of my HTC Desire X, obviously this was better than Ice Cream Sandwich which came stock on the Desire X, I wrote this letter to ask you guys to please update the Kernel Sources for Jelly Bean which came with the new 3.4 kernel if Iam not mistaken.
I'am sure that you guys are aware, Android is an an open source operating system (OS) based on the GNU/Linux Kernel. he Linux kernel is licensed under GNU General Public License v2 or GPL (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html), which, as such, means that you are legally obliged to release the source code for any derivative work within a reasonable time frame.
This however is only a request. Developers are working hard to make new ROMs for the HTC Desire X and continue support to your wonderful device. By releasing the kernel source code you can improve user experience to your device and help developers in the process.
We appreciate the things that you have done for your devices and maintaining them by series of updates and making them better everytime.
But without the Kernel sources such gestures remain severely hampered. Similarly, we are grateful that you are continuing to support the Desire X and it’s community, but we would all be happier if your continued support was not only directed at your customers, but also in the spirit of Linux and as required by copyright law.
Yours Sincerely,
The xda-developers community.
This letter was written and is signed by the xda-developers community.
Just sharing though, I was supposed to send this but I should post it here first I have re-written some sentences from the 2nd post so please don't be mad and sorry for my crappy English if HTC would not release these sources Zombies will eat them alive XD
prototype-U said:
They haven't even released JB rom worldwide so dont expect kernel sources to come so fast.. They will release it when JB has reached to all the parts of the world.
Renowned companies like HTC usually comply with the licenses. They have a good image. Just wait for some time...
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Been waiting for too long man. 45 days was the promise, and its been near 60 days. And there isnt even a SUPPORTIVE ANNOUNCEMENT that it will come. Why cant they even make an OFFICIAL STATEMENT, just to calm our nerves. Thats very bad image they are making in eyes of good developers like atis112 and others.
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Been waiting for too long man. 45 days was the promise, and its been near 60 days. And there isnt even a SUPPORTIVE ANNOUNCEMENT that it will come. Why cant they even make an OFFICIAL STATEMENT, just to calm our nerves. Thats very bad image they are making in eyes of good developers like atis112 and others.
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I am really patient.. We will definitely get it in future.
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Been waiting for too long man. 45 days was the promise, and its been near 60 days. And there isnt even a SUPPORTIVE ANNOUNCEMENT that it will come. Why cant they even make an OFFICIAL STATEMENT, just to calm our nerves. Thats very bad image they are making in eyes of good developers like atis112 and others.
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I think so too. Why should they share their sources now if we don't complain? We should decide. Either make only one letter for the whole community, or as many letters as possible so that they'll have enough to read.
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I think so too. Why should they share their sources now if we don't complain? We should decide. Either make only one letter for the whole community, or as many letters as possible so that they'll have enough to read.
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Well personally HTC would not care for our letters anyway because look at this OTA? NeXus PRIME is right 45 days is promised to spread the update world wide its been 60 days and still nothing I have also done the same thing for the Desire C users ( I was supposed to buy that if i never knew HTC has a stock of DXs ) and they never responded But those kernel sources would be awesome
But its worth a shot
Peace dont flame me XD
And what should I put in the letter its asking for my full name should I put XDA-Developers? Or my name? thanks
Well ... released in all countries or not , it's still released out there and it's licensed under GPL . The product is officially out there but the sources are not . It's not like it's in a beta test or anything , at least not officially . A release has been made , regardless of its bugs , and the kernel sources should have been provided as well . At least that's the way I see it
Also , we should first wait for a response from hTC before reporting them to GNU . Maybe hTC still have some arguments & reasons for not releasing it . Maybe the cleaning lady didn't go through all the code xD
I'm really disappointed to see how such a promissing device as the DX has so little ROM-wise development . It's wierd because hTC seems to be quite the developer-friendly company , unlike Samsung for example .
This was my first hTC and even though I'm really liking the overall look , feel & performance of the device , I really , really don't like Sense xD
There's really no point mincing words and playing nice: don't think they wouldn't come down on your heads if you used some propriety HTC code / design - Beautiful widgets are a case in point.
The whole idea of Android is that it's open source, anti-copyright, a stark contrast to the world of apple & microsoft and withholding sources is completely contrary to this philosophy.
Agreed though, I think we send this letter (or variations of it, if you're not happy about the strength of the language) wait a reasonable amount of time and then report it if nothing has happened / no reasonable reply is received.
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There's really no point mincing words and playing nice: don't think they wouldn't come down on your heads if you used some propriety HTC code / design - Beautiful widgets are a case in point.
The whole idea of Android is that it's open source, anti-copyright, a stark contrast to the world of apple & microsoft and withholding sources is completely contrary to this philosophy.
Agreed though, I think we send this letter (or variations of it, if you're not happy about the strength of the language) wait a reasonable amount of time and then report it if nothing has happened / no reasonable reply is received.
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I am really happy with the strength of the language. We have to show them what we want and that they are doing something wrong, so...
I think someone who has a higher position should write the letter. As a "normal" person we won't succeed.
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Rebekka_Sun said:
I think someone who has a higher position should write the letter. As a "normal" person we won't succeed.
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If we act as a big community, it should work too... But if someone of us would know someone working there, this could help...
This is what we sgy users did..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1869565
The xda-developers must have a founder! Why don't we ask this person? I mean the developer of this site will get more "reaction" than some "members". Or why don't we act on Twitter, facebook, instagramm, ... There are so much people even on Facebook. We'll have a chance.
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The xda-developers must have a founder! Why don't we ask this person? I mean the developer of this site will get more "reaction" than some "members". Or why don't we act on Twitter, facebook, instagramm, ... There are so much people even on Facebook. We'll have a chance.
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You are high.
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prototype-U said:
You are high.
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My thoughts exactly...
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prototype-U said:
This is what we sgy users did..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1869565
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Samsung is more developer friendly than HTC + they release their kernel source immidiately without people asking them
Thank you @ekulnitsua and @The Android Manual and everybody who support us. I already made an online petition too, I hope we will got a lot of sign, and we can write enough letter for HTC, and they will take it seriously. I will update the OP soon. I will add the link to the petition in the message, the link to this thread and if it isn't problem for you I add my email too, and so they can contact with me if they want, and i will share their message with you.
Thank you
atis112
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or does anyone else feel like we dont have enough aosp love? I mean we have miui, cm7, had decks(went ghostbusters on us) and empiire(heard he got grounded for molesting his hard drive.) I understand theirs still kinks to be worked out but everything is Sense. Just wanted to see who else felt this way. PLEASE DONT COME IN AND START A PARAGRAPH WAR, I read enough in high school.
Temari x Shikamaru
Evervolv exists.
il Duce said:
Evervolv exists.
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Link please. Ive been hunting it.
Temari x Shikamaru
Talked to shift on twitter yesterday, he said CM7 is being worked on. I honestly think what it is that people are happy with their phones just the way they are, so it brings less crowd. While it is smaller than the original Evo, there is still a pretty big following. Plus, this is just a US phone, so when comparing the Sensation with us is like apple and oranges. We just got mike and androidrevolution! Which is great.
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Talked to shift on twitter yesterday, he said CM7 is being worked on. I honestly think what it is that people are happy with their phones just the way they are, so it brings less crowd. While it is smaller than the original Evo, there is still a pretty big following. Plus, this is just a US phone, so when comparing the Sensation with us is like apple and oranges. We just got mike and androidrevolution! Which is great.
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Its not just US. Theres gsm models for overseas.
Temari x Shikamaru
The problem is, most AOSP ROM's(99.99%) are based off CM kernel source, so with no update to CM, there's no update to other AOSP ROM's. Many devs might want to wait until a few more bugs are worked out of CM before they start kanging. Once we get an RC1 or a stable CM release, you may see more AOSP love.
Can the gsm users get some aosp love? Any roms?
Sent from my Evo 3D GSM...bring on the AOSP!!!
housry23 said:
The problem is, most AOSP ROM's(99.99%) are based off CM kernel source, so with no update to CM, there's no update to other AOSP ROM's. Many devs might want to wait until a few more bugs are worked out of CM before they start kanging. Once we get an RC1 or a stable CM release, you may see more AOSP love.
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This man is right. Most AOSP is done by Cyanogenmod devs and kanged from there. I can guarantee you when they come out with a CM7 RC, there will magically be other AOSP roms.
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The problem is, most AOSP ROM's(99.99%) are based off CM kernel source, so with no update to CM, there's no update to other AOSP ROM's. Many devs might want to wait until a few more bugs are worked out of CM before they start kanging. Once we get an RC1 or a stable CM release, you may see more AOSP love.
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Your right. I forgot about that.
Temari x Shikamaru
housry23 said:
The problem is, most AOSP ROM's(99.99%) are based off CM kernel source, so with no update to CM, there's no update to other AOSP ROM's. Many devs might want to wait until a few more bugs are worked out of CM before they start kanging. Once we get an RC1 or a stable CM release, you may see more AOSP love.
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I have complained about this over and over, and will continue to complain in multiple threads until more people see the point I make and support that. Using someone else's kernel and/or ROM as a base for their "new" ROM isn't all bad all the time. It is analogous to game development on a PC using another developer's graphics/game engine (only with permission and proper credit of course!!). It saves time, and in some cases help that particular engine to advance, but it slows down new technological advancement in the industry as a whole.
Developers need to start honing their skills, start attempting to bring a ROM to the public that they built from the ground up, that includes a kernel build from the ground up too. Doing this eliminates such a large collection of ROMs that are all essentially the same, and because of the open source nature of Android it brings new technological advances to the public faster. It also raises the bar, the standard. The public will begin to expect more out of Android, and this in turn creates more motivation for a newer, better Android.
I think some developers have lost sight of the purpose and nature of open source information and products. Instead of hijacking someone's source code, and using it as a base for a new ROM with a new name, and small amount of new features, development should be done that conforms to the original intent and purpose of open source. Work together with a developer that has created a ROM [from the ground up] that is most similar to the product you want to create. Improve the ROM as a team, make bug fixes and enhancement to the existing ROM. That is what open source was meant to do. This will prevent a forum list of 32 half assed roms, and replace it with 10 really good yet unique roms.
If you can't find an existing ROM, a Dev team that has different ideas of what make a ROM good, or there is no ROM that exists that is similar enough to your vision of the product then, and only then should you develop something new.
I realize my views aren't going to match up with everyone else, but I am sure a happy medium could be found that produces a situation better than what we have now. Thanks for letting me rant, and for reading my thoughts!
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I have complained about this over and over, and will continue to complain in multiple threads until more people see the point I make and support that. Using someone else's kernel and/or ROM as a base for their "new" ROM isn't all bad all the time. It is analogous to game development on a PC using another developer's graphics/game engine (only with permission and proper credit of course!!). It saves time, and in some cases help that particular engine to advance, but it slows down new technological advancement in the industry as a whole.
Developers need to start honing their skills, start attempting to bring a ROM to the public that they built from the ground up, that includes a kernel build from the ground up too. Doing this eliminates such a large collection of ROMs that are all essentially the same, and because of the open source nature of Android it brings new technological advances to the public faster. It also raises the bar, the standard. The public will begin to expect more out of Android, and this in turn creates more motivation for a newer, better Android.
I think some developers have lost sight of the purpose and nature of open source information and products. Instead of hijacking someone's source code, and using it as a base for a new ROM with a new name, and small amount of new features, development should be done that conforms to the original intent and purpose of open source. Work together with a developer that has created a ROM [from the ground up] that is most similar to the product you want to create. Improve the ROM as a team, make bug fixes and enhancement to the existing ROM. That is what open source was meant to do. This will prevent a forum list of 32 half assed roms, and replace it with 10 really good yet unique roms.
If you can't find an existing ROM, a Dev team that has different ideas of what make a ROM good, or there is no ROM that exists that is similar enough to your vision of the product then, and only then should you develop something new.
I realize my views aren't going to match up with everyone else, but I am sure a happy medium could be found that produces a situation better than what we have now. Thanks for letting me rant, and for reading my thoughts!
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Damn. Such a long read. It was good though.
Temari x Shikamaru
knowledge561 said:
Damn. Such a long read. It was good though.
Temari x Shikamaru
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I'm sorry, I originally had hoped for a much shorter post. I always try to get the thoughts in my head out "on paper" in the shortest, most efficient and least complex manner. This is my vision of a more free, "open source" world though. I think the freedom of information could be applied to many facets of society that would create a better future for all of us, and still preserve the competition that drives a more peaceful, better, cheaper, faster world. Sorry again!
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I have complained about this over and over, and will continue to complain in multiple threads until more people see the point I make and support that. Using someone else's kernel and/or ROM as a base for their "new" ROM isn't all bad all the time. It is analogous to game development on a PC using another developer's graphics/game engine (only with permission and proper credit of course!!). It saves time, and in some cases help that particular engine to advance, but it slows down new technological advancement in the industry as a whole.
Developers need to start honing their skills, start attempting to bring a ROM to the public that they built from the ground up, that includes a kernel build from the ground up too. Doing this eliminates such a large collection of ROMs that are all essentially the same, and because of the open source nature of Android it brings new technological advances to the public faster. It also raises the bar, the standard. The public will begin to expect more out of Android, and this in turn creates more motivation for a newer, better Android.
I think some developers have lost sight of the purpose and nature of open source information and products. Instead of hijacking someone's source code, and using it as a base for a new ROM with a new name, and small amount of new features, development should be done that conforms to the original intent and purpose of open source. Work together with a developer that has created a ROM [from the ground up] that is most similar to the product you want to create. Improve the ROM as a team, make bug fixes and enhancement to the existing ROM. That is what open source was meant to do. This will prevent a forum list of 32 half assed roms, and replace it with 10 really good yet unique roms.
If you can't find an existing ROM, a Dev team that has different ideas of what make a ROM good, or there is no ROM that exists that is similar enough to your vision of the product then, and only then should you develop something new.
I realize my views aren't going to match up with everyone else, but I am sure a happy medium could be found that produces a situation better than what we have now. Thanks for letting me rant, and for reading my thoughts!
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The problem is that people don't always give credit where credit is due, which is one of the reasons some people don't like sharing stuff. I mean, let's say I made this awesome mod and let everybody use it. Then some kitchen dev comes along, kangs the **** out of it, doesn't mention me in his rom, and slaps a gigantic DONATE button at the bottom of his signature. It's frustrating.
Now I'm all about open source. I won't use a rom that doesn't post the source. That's the exact reason I won't use MIUI.
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The problem is that people don't always give credit where credit is due, which is one of the reasons some people don't like sharing stuff. I mean, let's say I made this awesome mod and let everybody use it. Then some kitchen dev comes along, kangs the **** out of it, doesn't mention me in his rom, and slaps a gigantic DONATE button at the bottom of his signature. It's frustrating.
Now I'm all about open source. I won't use a rom that doesn't post the source. That's the exact reason I won't use MIUI.
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I fully understand your frustration. I am a software engineer too so I know what you are going through. I have not yet begun developing for Android, but will. There is a little bit of a problem here that could easily be solved, and the community has a responsibility to protect the intellectual property rights that you and every other developer like you is entitled to. In fact it is a right that is protected by the integrity of the constitution of the united states, and many other countries and law enforcement around the world. This is a failure that not just developers, mods, and admins have, but a responsibility and failure that every user at xda shares no matter who they are.
First off; not to offend any MIUI developers that may be watching, but if you are developing for Android you need to be using a license that is open, and your source needs to be open too. This is especially true if you are using xda as a distribution medium, but sadly while xda has said they encourage, and want every development to be open source they are not forcing the matter. This is a failure I think. It also makes MIUI look suspicious too, as there isn't a way to verify if their source is uniquely theirs'. I personally believe xda should not allow software that is not open source to be distributed. If google didn't keep the open source principle when they acquired Android roms like MIUI would NOT exist! It is highly unethical to take the base ROM from google because it is open source, and then close the source. That is wrong wrong wrong! It is also illegal! You can not redistribute the Android OS even if you have made changes and then close the source and not maintain the software license google has on place.
Second; I believe as a user of xda it is your duty to maintain the integrity of the principles of xda, and Android. Don't support closed source works, voice your disgust so that xda sees the will of its users, that the over whelming majority wants things to remain open source. Tattle your ass off if someone has broke the copyright law and used someone's work without permission and credit.
It is important to keep both xda and Android running on the same principles it started with. Don't let this keep happening guys! This is very serious, a lot of developers are breaking the law doing what they are doing!
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I have complained about this over and over, and will continue to complain in multiple threads until more people see the point I make and support that. Using someone else's kernel and/or ROM as a base for their "new" ROM isn't all bad all the time. It is analogous to game development on a PC using another developer's graphics/game engine (only with permission and proper credit of course!!). It saves time, and in some cases help that particular engine to advance, but it slows down new technological advancement in the industry as a whole.
Developers need to start honing their skills, start attempting to bring a ROM to the public that they built from the ground up, that includes a kernel build from the ground up too. Doing this eliminates such a large collection of ROMs that are all essentially the same, and because of the open source nature of Android it brings new technological advances to the public faster. It also raises the bar, the standard. The public will begin to expect more out of Android, and this in turn creates more motivation for a newer, better Android.
I think some developers have lost sight of the purpose and nature of open source information and products. Instead of hijacking someone's source code, and using it as a base for a new ROM with a new name, and small amount of new features, development should be done that conforms to the original intent and purpose of open source. Work together with a developer that has created a ROM [from the ground up] that is most similar to the product you want to create. Improve the ROM as a team, make bug fixes and enhancement to the existing ROM. That is what open source was meant to do. This will prevent a forum list of 32 half assed roms, and replace it with 10 really good yet unique roms.
If you can't find an existing ROM, a Dev team that has different ideas of what make a ROM good, or there is no ROM that exists that is similar enough to your vision of the product then, and only then should you develop something new.
I realize my views aren't going to match up with everyone else, but I am sure a happy medium could be found that produces a situation better than what we have now. Thanks for letting me rant, and for reading my thoughts!
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Or learn to code yourself and create roms from the ground up. Most devs do what they do for themselves first, and allow us to ride on their coattails. Not a bad ride if your like me and have no coding skills. Otherwise, I doubt your plea is going to convince a dev to do anything more or less then they do now, unless it interest them personally.
I do agree with you though. I'm coming from Android on the Touch Pro 2 where a small group of devs are building EVERYTHING from scratch. From the modems to the light sensor. It's a huge job done out of love for the hardware, for fun, and a passion for coding.
knowledge561 said:
Link please. Ive been hunting it.
Temari x Shikamaru
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he links only via twitter posts and in his IRC, send him a tweet. iirc still in beta, but he does some nice ROMs
Serren said:
Or learn to code yourself and create roms from the ground up. Most devs do what they do for themselves first, and allow us to ride on their coattails. Not a bad ride if your like me and have no coding skills. Otherwise, I doubt your plea is going to convince a dev to do anything more or less then they do now, unless it interest them personally.
I do agree with you though. I'm coming from Android on the Touch Pro 2 where a small group of devs are building EVERYTHING from scratch. From the modems to the light sensor. It's a huge job done out of love for the hardware, for fun, and a passion for coding.
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Thank you for your comment and support. I don't disagree with you. If you steal a loaf of bread to feed yourself, is it any less of a crime than to steal a loaf of bread to feed you and your family and friends? Or is it the same or worse?
I think either way it isn't ethical. People need to think less about themselves I think. I must reiterate and clarify so I am not misunderstood. I don't think it is inherently bad to be using a ROM as your base, but it is wrong to then close the source of a previously open piece of work and/or not maintain the original license, and give credit in every spot it should be given in. That would include its distribution, the license, the source code itself, and any where else that you put your own version, app info, and copyright notice. Am I wrong?
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I fully understand your frustration. I am a software engineer too so I know what you are going through. I have not yet begun developing for Android, but will. There is a little bit of a problem here that could easily be solved, and the community has a responsibility to protect the intellectual property rights that you and every other developer like you is entitled to. In fact it is a right that is protected by the integrity of the constitution of the united states, and many other countries and law enforcement around the world. This is a failure that not just developers, mods, and admins have, but a responsibility and failure that every user at xda shares no matter who they are.
First off; not to offend any MIUI developers that may be watching, but if you are developing for Android you need to be using a license that is open, and your source needs to be open too. This is especially true if you are using xda as a distribution medium, but sadly while xda has said they encourage, and want every development to be open source they are not forcing the matter. This is a failure I think. It also makes MIUI look suspicious too, as there isn't a way to verify if their source is uniquely theirs'. I personally believe xda should not allow software that is not open source to be distributed. If google didn't keep the open source principle when they acquired Android roms like MIUI would NOT exist! It is highly unethical to take the base ROM from google because it is open source, and then close the source. That is wrong wrong wrong! It is also illegal! You can not redistribute the Android OS even if you have made changes and then close the source and not maintain the software license google has on place.
Second; I believe as a user of xda it is your duty to maintain the integrity of the principles of xda, and Android. Don't support closed source works, voice your disgust so that xda sees the will of its users, that the over whelming majority wants things to remain open source. Tattle your ass off if someone has broke the copyright law and used someone's work without permission and credit.
It is important to keep both xda and Android running on the same principles it started with. Don't let this keep happening guys! This is very serious, a lot of developers are breaking the law doing what they are doing!
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Let me preface this by saying that I agree with you..
However android is meant to be open source, the license that they use (Apache) does not require it.. The reason they chose the Apache license was to give people the freedom to choose (their words). So technically people like miui don't have to post source for anything other than kernel (which is GPL).
This link has some good info on it.
http://source.android.com/source/licenses.html
But even CM doesn't have to provide source, which in recent history they haven't while starting builds.. We can't demand source, when the licensing doesn't demand, but that doesn't mean we still can't prove direct kang. The reason I have android over anything else is the freedom it gives and the open nature of it.
Edit: and you should always credit someone if you are using their work, and also have their permission. I was referring to general source from android itself, not from each other.
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The problem is, nobody wants to start a ROM from the ground up, and the people that do are already involved into team projects (CM/MIUI). It takes a long time to create a ROM from the ground up that utilizes all of a phone's hardware properly. Look how long it took CM to get 4G onto the EVO 4G, and that was a team of highly skilled individuals practically reverse engineering code to do it.
Now imagine all of the copy and paste kitchen users here trying to accomplish that. It just won't happen lol.
That's why we have pretty much the same thing in different colors. It kind of sucks, but hey, HTC did the majority of the work, and if something already works good enough, the average person will be fine with and use that.
Yeah, it does slow down the evolution and innovation of Android as a whole, but you have to put some of the blame on OEMs for pushing out 45 different phones a year. Nobody is going to be encouraged to create something from the ground up for a phone that will be replaced and obsolete by the time they're finished.
The G1 is the prime example of a great phone that got tons of developer support, tons of new things, and tons of unique ROMs. But that was the beginning, and I doubt that's ever going to happen again.
HTC all but pushed this EVO 3D out, and forgot about it. They've released a good 19 phones since then at the rate they're going, most of us will have moved on to the next one in a few months. Sad but true.
That is why I have stuck with and will probably continue to use a Stock ROM, modified to my liking and stripped. There isn't much else you can hope for. 3D has failed to really take off like HTC and the rest of us wanted. There is no motivation for any of the teams out there to focus on reverse engineering their ROMs to use 3D. MIUI to this day hasn't bothered with WiMAX and with good reason. Sprint all about blatantly announced its slow death in favor of LTE. It would have been a waste of time for the MIUI team to implement it. Kudos to Team Win and CM for gracing us with it on the EVO 4G. But, hindsight has probably made people mad that all of their time and energy went into something that's getting canned.
Alot of good points freeza. These are paragraphs I like to read.
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Hey guys, I am using Leedroid ROM v.5 and I want to know which kernel is the best for battery life, performance, beats audio and stability? I own kernels from Lee and from Chad as well included the "forbidden" ones. What do u prefer? I dont know the difference..
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Hey guys, I am using Leedroid ROM v.5 and I want to know which kernel is the best for battery life, performance, beats audio and stability? I own kernels from Lee and from Chad as well included the "forbidden" ones. What do u prefer? I dont know the difference..
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im gonna be 100% truthful, even though it is not to my benefit to be..
my source is public how, and i offer features no one ever has in the past.
people like leedroid and others are prolly already making use of these features into their kernels, such as ics/sense 3.5 hw acceleration and better sound drivers what include native HTC 2way call record...
i have not commited HBR bluetooth or usb hostmode or other mods yet, since my previous ones are being used, and no one is giving credit.
so, since others are using my work as well as theirs... its basicly up to who you want to use...
the more commits i make, i know the more i will be kanged. nothing i commited yet is anything major - just a base, updates, and minor changes, and porting drivers from 1 device to another. my future modifications involve serious time and effort, and as of now with the kanging going on, im not 100% sure i will ever commit those for release here on XDA.
sorry if i sound like an ass - but the previous drama caused by what people "assumed" i did cost me a lot of time and money. and now others are doing the same i was accused of, but i got screen shots to prove it...
all i want is everyone to do what they expect others to do... -- is this asking to much?
Yea I'm looking for a good ics kernel. Guess I'll wait til Chad drops his.
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Yeah, that's ****ed up Chad.
Chad's kernel for the win.
to be clear... from what i can see - leedroid seems to be giving proper credit.
the 2 people who had an exact copy of my GIT on github with NO reference to me or my git had pulled their repos last night.
I believe Chad is better but when I am using ROM from Lee.. Maybe his kernel would be more stable on his own ROM
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Chad man its a shame what's been goin on lately, I've been flashing every single one of your kernels and only your kernels since I noticed u back in September. Every kernel release has improved my experience with this device, and frankly u are the only kernel dev I follow and respect. The lazy half ass so called devs that kanged your source are worthless to me and a whole lot of others who follow u and your work. They know who they are and its only obvious who they are, IMPOSTERS! Instead of a thanks button on the bottom of their posts they should implement a f**k off button, they would then have thousands of middle fingers they could look at each time they log in. Keep up the good work Chad. Without people like u Chad them haters wouldn't have anyone to envy and hate on and bite.
chad thanks for the great work for real... i have tried many urs is most stable.. and sure if someone is using ur source will be as well... but thanks for being open and clear.... go man.. cant wait to try urs on ice cream... chad are u going to make any work for galaxy S3 when it comes.... it will be a killer... thanks again for all ur work
Thanks again for all your work Chad. I flashed your kernel last night and it's very stable with no issues. I used Clockwork Recovery to flash because I didn't have TWRP installed. Does anyone know if I should have any issues or does this not really matter?
Hey Chad does your kernel have any adverse affects on OG Evo 4G or would you say they are more a EVO 3D kernel...sorry if this is a dumb question but after all I am a noob
Chad my man I gotta say without a doubt u r the kernel king and for those kangers out there.... [email protected]#k off and get a life. The rom I run has always had ur kernels and always been stable. No random reboots or anything. I am soooo glad ur back an glad I still have a few of ur older rls. Thanks bro
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Chad my man I gotta say without a doubt u r the kernel king and for those kangers out there.... [email protected]#k off and get a life. The rom I run has always had ur kernels and always been stable. No random reboots or anything. I am soooo glad ur back an glad I still have a few of ur older rls. Thanks bro
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all i want is everyone to do what they expect others to do... -- is this asking to much?
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I've just come in fresh, been here at XDA for only a few days and so I've missed most of this story. But, what is adamant is the politics of this entire industry.
Corporations create industry, that's what they're designed to do. But, when they also attempt to govern outside their market, it's the restrictions imposed that may unwittingly enforce the like of scavenger type behavior. Not only with developers, but down to the end user and all in between.
Whatever you determine to be 'Open Source', in any of the many flavours out there, it'll remain as the prime victim; within its own industry, other industries, marketing, and aggressive closed source realms. The balance can only go to members of the bar association whom happily trump first place in the share of cash.
So, you'll have kanged devs, pirates, believers, non-believers, and all the like.
But, with all the politics, ramblings, hostility and time off, it can only make one fear the resilience of what actual leading talents remain.
...so, as quoted above...
WTF GAF GOI and game on!
:: No offense to lawyers, just sticks and stones.
binaryhabit> That is possibly one of the hardest posts of which I've ever tried to make sense. lol.
To everyone else> What's with the hate of Kang's? As long as chad is getting his representation for his work in those kangs, there isn't a problem. If anyone does not acknowledge the hard work of others when they use there work.. then it should be flagged up. There is no need to start suddenly having a go, and trying to take sides.
Chad does a lot of good work, congratulate him and support him, and point out where others should be acknowledging his work if they have used it.
This all doesn't help answer the OP's questin however.
To me, the answer is just try the ROM's out, and see which works best for you.
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binaryhabit> That is possibly one of the hardest posts of which I've ever tried to make sense. lol.
To everyone else> What's with the hate of Kang's? As long as chad is getting his representation for his work in those kangs, there isn't a problem. If anyone does not acknowledge the hard work of others when they use there work.. then it should be flagged up. There is no need to start suddenly having a go, and trying to take sides.
Chad does a lot of good work, congratulate him and support him, and point out where others should be acknowledging his work if they have used it.
This all doesn't help answer the OP's questin however.
To me, the answer is just try the ROM's out, and see which works best for you.
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A recognized developer with grave concerns about their code not being correctly authored, thereby "kanged", by other developers in their own projects; all the while being the only accused of breaking these license agreements.
Chad Goodman had made their comment public and I simply decided to comment on that.
If your understanding is incomprehensive of what I said, then I can only surmise your own bias.
Because, I simply agreed with the comment, not the author in their entirety; as I simply don't have the full details.
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A recognized developer with grave concerns about their code not being correctly authored, thereby "kanged", by other developers in their own projects; all the while being the only accused of breaking these license agreements.
Chad Goodman had made their comment public and I simply decided to comment on that.
If your understanding is incomprehensive of what I said, then I can only surmise your own bias.
Because, I simply agreed with the comment, not the author in their entirety; as I simply don't have the full details.
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to set the record straight - for the last time - i will not discuss this issue on xda ever again, and i hope XDA staff leaves this post for all to read.
a xda RD broke the rules of XDA and trashed my threads and was allowed to get away with this. this rd accused me of kanging his work. to define the work kang = "to use ones work without giving proper credit, or claiming the work as your own"
the rd encouraged his followers to trash my threads as well - this rd and the followers never had any business the the 3d threads.
yes - i "some" of this RDs gpu related code in my very 1st kernels - but this is not kanging as credit was given in my OP and other users on XDA found proof of this using googles cached pages, that had copies of my OP where credit was clearly given.
(these screen shots were posted within my threads - but later got deleted by xda staff)
i, as well as other users simply posted screen shots that proved credit was given - but xda mods and admins decided at the time to delete this evidence, but left the posts accusing me of kanging - this was very poor judgement on XDAs part, put with the fact the other RD was allowed to break several of XDAs own rules with zero repercussions in it self is evidence of favouritism.
i was later accused of kanging yet someone elses code, who was a moderator of this specific forum. but yet, my commits on my public git repo were dated 2 weeks before the commits of the other developer. how can i kang someone when my commits were public 2 weeks before that of the other developer? to some (well most) people, since the other developer is more "well known" is the only facts considered when i am accused of kanging - not googles cached web pages, or GIT commit time stamps - once again, screen shots were posted, XDA's staff deleted my entire thread and screen shots, while leaving posts accusing me of kanging - more favouritism.
it comes down to this - every time i was accused of something (yes every freakin time), the accusing had zero proof. i had google's cached web pages to back me up, but most of the xda users may not know this because - xda's staff deleted my posts.
to test the fairness of sr mods on xda - i honestly found several RDs on xda who do not comply with GPL, and yes, about 80% of xda RDs do not comply. - i reported these threads, and some, 3 months later are still not complaint with gpl - but do you or other people care? no...
people were on my ass because I did things no other developer on XDA has been able to do - so other developers wanted my code, so they could appear to be as great as the XDA users make them out to be.
people were NOT and ARE NOT on the asses of the existing RDs who fail to comply with GPL, because they have not done nearly as much as i have. want specifics, look at XDA USER feed back in my threads... or ask other xda users - dont take my word for it.
i never once said i was better than any other developer, and I never will say that, so dont say i did.
and yes, some of what i had done was because i had access to closed source code
but some stuff was all me - such as 100% stable working kernel on hw001 and 2.17 based roms - and 90% working, 100% stable on hw002 and 2.17 based roms - every other kernel for the 3d has reboot, lock up, and misc issues on 2.17 - mine dont. (again - dont take my word for it, read the threads here on xda)
kanging.... how can i kang something that dont exist? how can i be accused of kanging when my commits were weeks prior to the ones i kanged??
leedroid himself is a good developer, and is one of the few who is gpl complaint.
and yes, i removed my non-gpl complaint kernels from xda, and made a gpl complaint one - not because XDA said i had to, cause i did not have to due to a NDA. i did it in a attempt to reduce drama. i have chat and email transcripts from XDA staff that state my beats kernels are in fact exempt from XDA's gpl policy. again to make everyone happy - i pulled them from xda, and made the same kernel but without beats, and on a HTC base.
to this day, i see my commits on my public repo (that us no longer public as of 3-12) on other well known developers gits with no credit given - time stamped WEEKS after my commit - but im accusing of kanging them??
EXAMPLE #1:
-i make a thread on XDA and create a repo on 1-7-2012 for a specific type of kernel - i commit and sync my git, so all of my code, and commits are public.
-a well known developer who has been on xda for years as a RD creates a repo on 1-20-2012 for the same type of kernel and commits all his files
------->based off of the time line there, my work was done 1st. im not gonna say he kanged me cause i never compared the repos. all this developers followers accused me in public forum on xda of kanging him (as well as private message, gtalk, and email). i was accused because this developer was on xda longer than me, and is more well known. the fact is i commited 1st, therefore i did not kang.
EXAMPLE #2:
today (03/14/2012) i browsed GIT repos of several "well known" and "great" developers. knowing my repo was created and my files commited on 1-7-2012, if i see the same exact code in another developers git commited AFTER 1-7, i should receive credit for it. when in reality, several developers have used my code, and made their commits after 1-7, but since these developers are more well known and have been on xda for years, everyone publicly posts i kanged them, when in fact the code changes were an exact match, i will say with no doubt these developers kanged me. they used my work, gave no credit, and some even claimed credit - but yet my commits were before theirs.
like i said several times, how can i kang something that did not exist at the time i commited it????????
am i publicly trashing the threads of the developers who kanged me? no im not - i try to ignore it, until these same developers trash my thread, or their followers start to trash my thread. i do not like to accuse people of things, even when i got stacks of solid proof, in public forum like the other RDs on xda... i try to be professional - but sometimes people can only take so much before they snap.
people - just because "joe" or "jim" or "ross" has been developing kernels on xda for 2 years and I am only here for 6 or so months does not mean i kanged them cause my repo contains identical code as theirs (some even copied my intentional spelling errors in the comments of the code)... again - look at the time stamps of the commits. look at the dates threads are created.
quite honestly i dont give a rats ass that im not given credit - i care that im accused of kanging, and people trash my threads, threaten legal action in public forum, send me 100s of emails to my gmail account daily and xda allows the thread trashing to go on, leaves the posts accusing me of kanging to remain, but when i post nothing but a screen shot of my repo, or of a thread to show its creation time - my posts are deleted. (why not deleted both? or none??)
...yes i got more examples - but i think i made my point clear.
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a reminder: kang defined = to use other peoples code without giving proper credit, or claiming the work as your own.
i have NEVER kanged anyone - period. and i have screen shots that prove all (yes more than one, some dont post on XDA anymore though) the developers you all defend and back up kanged me.
like i said a few statements above, at one point all of these screen shots were posted here on XDA - but xda chose to defend the honor of their long time developers, at the expense of making me look like an ass.
this is 1 of 2 reasons I dont post my work on xda anymore - cause of the actions of XDA's staff - not because of all the accusing, flaming, destroying of my threads, etc that everyone assumes.
reason 2 of 2: all the drama, accusing and what not has caused some xda members to file false claims with gpl-violations against me. a specific user made this threat in public forum here on XDA directly under a post with a link to my repo, and screen shots of the repo. this person trolled to other parts of XDA where he had no business, and reported ALL of my threads as well - some of this drama caused legal action against me where i had to hire a lawyer.
i give you all something for free, and ask and expect nothing in return except respect and common courtesy , but yet - im paying legal retainers??? money i CAN NOT afford to pay...
i never even wanted my kernel on XDA - it was strictly for me and a few friends - but i was encouraged to share it with everyone, and I did, and it was the most used kernel for the shooter platform, and more downloads than any other kernel including tiamat's - must be doing something right? as of 3/1/2012 - a total of all versions downloaded exceeded 300,000 in 6 months (combined total downloads for all devices, all versions from 3 hosting sites)
it was the only kernel that did not have BSOD issues on incomming calls, it had 2wcr, beats audio, and things got getter with almost every release - yes some releases were failures... but 100% stability... 30+ days uptime... come on...
im also prolly gonna be stuck with a 2nd $3000 legal retainer based off of the recent actions of 1 specific XDA member.
...yes I won the cases (the 1st two, 3rd one as of yet has not be filed by mr hotaru) - but still gotta pay the lawyer
and yes i legally can post my BEATS kernel in public forum without posting source to the beats drivers....if i wanted to.
as part of my test of fairness of the XDA staff, and to prove there is in fact some double standards and favouritism - some kernels with no source code, wrong source code, out of date code, or code that is just missing files... i reported these threads
wanna now the outcome? PM me cause if i post it here, i know for a fact i will get banned.
summary
1: everytime i was accused of something i had 100% solid proof that showed otherwise someone just decided to keep this info from the general public, while allowing the posts accusing me to remain
2: if anyone is being kanged, it is in fact me, and i have git timestamps to prove this (and screen shots of such comparisons)
with all the BS - i have lost motivation to develop, and honestly - this is why there have not been many updates, and i have never finished my DEFCONFIG files for other devices..
why should i??
i seriously am soo close to a 100% working 2.17 hw002 kernel - but have no desire to fix it. i
personally own hw001, im running my test 6 kernel on mean rom right now and its 100% working, 100% stable - it works for me...
working camera, video, mhl/hdmi, landscape video, rotation - its all good - done without source from HTC, cause they are sticking to their 120 day time limit to release source....
...so yes, with ZERO source to work from - i made my kernel 2.17 complaint with hw001 phones. and fixed eveything but landscape video and camera preview (related to landscape video) for hw002 users... who else has done this? no one until i or htc releases source...
will i update when htc releases source, prolly not - cause i know i could have my kernel fixed b4 that happens if i put my mind to it.
i give everyone something for free, and im stuck with legal fees cause of people like <not listed to help prevent me from being banned>
anyone wants details or the screen shots - PM me
or just google the stuff, and look at the cached pages from 6 months ago
doubt me or my word about my kernels- read other users feedback on xda
doubt me or my word on kanging - again - google is your friend, and I have no way to change google's time stamps...
every statement i made comparing my kernel to other kernels is based off of XDA USERS feedback and their public posts here on xda - read up for your self. again - i never said i was/am better than anyone else - and i never will say that.
to answer the OP's question
use leedroids kernel - he is good, i shared my entire repo with him (not beats, but - yes.. new sound drivers), and he will have more updates than me, and he will know what parts to use to bring the best experience to his users.
i expect a vacation and loss of RD status after this post...so nice knowing you all.
and im sure this post may even be deleted before everyone gets to read it...seems to be a pattern with my posts/threads - even stuff related to actual development.
hell - i even made a ville ruu thread the other day that i had to ask XDA to remove cause of the trolling, hatemail, etc..
trying to share things with the community and i get **** on... so why bother...
You got hatemail for uploading that ruu? Wow, what a bunch of babies.
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First off, I'd like to thank Chad for publicly expressing these concerns to the broader community without apprehension.
Second, I'm surprised there's barely a reply.
I'll keep this rant brief:
The user Chad Goodman may by (U.S.A x;x.x) freely choose to mediate lawful concerns held accused by any responsible source of medium whereby both parties are bound by (U.S.A x;x.x) and in trust of an agreement on (date) of the stipulated terms and conditions of the legally bound U.S.A. based hosting authority.
The user Chad Goodman may warrant their concerns without the fear of repression by the owners, operators, or parties of the hosting authority, or by fear of other members within its registrar, so long as Chad is in compliance of (U.S.A x;x.x) and the terms and conditions of the hosting authority, all of whom are legally responsible and bound by (U.S.A x:x.x).
Basically, to alienate any person of this right brings a good case of discrimination and defamation in itself. There is also a potential case of intentional interference with a prospective business because of the closed source code that obviously marketed, and possibly funds, the developers work and any related bodies of interest, or associates.
Defamation is costly($300k min) and specifically reserved for the wealthy elite, but this case may open with intentional interference.
GPL is not an excuse for subversion.
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You got hatemail for uploading that ruu? Wow, what a bunch of babies.
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Just add it to the talent pool... and unfortunately say it all farewell.
Chad I knew from the og evo forum you were having problems I remember when your kernel was first taken Down from that forum but I did not know it went to this extent I am am avid user of your kernels even when I had my og EVO and couldn't get it to work I still tried finding a Rom it would work with. But then I came to the shooter and seen your work was back and was happy as ever and still glad that you have stayed imho you are the best kernel dev xda has and you deserve the credit but if this continues I don't blame you for leaving but I wish you luck man thank you for being good to us.
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Chad I knew from the og evo forum you were having problems I remember when your kernel was first taken Down from that forum but I did not know it went to this extent I am am avid user of your kernels even when I had my og EVO and couldn't get it to work I still tried finding a Rom it would work with. But then I came to the shooter and seen your work was back and was happy as ever and still glad that you have stayed imho you are the best kernel dev xda has and you deserve the credit but if this continues I don't blame you for leaving but I wish you luck man thank you for being good to us.
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very well said man....we always appreciate ppl such as yourself
Hello All,
As you all know I've been part of Xda and assiting in a positive resolution from HTC in requests from Bootloaders to source codes. Well seeing we have a great device that seemed to be given EOL to early in its game.. in my opinion due to lack of marketing skills. Well I will be posting in HTC FB to get our voice out to them for the Source Code release for our device.
Please comment "Like" and comment to request this so we can continue development for the Flyer.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151213297764443&set=o.165420456859572&type=1&ref=nf
And Here:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151213304969443&set=o.101063233083&type=1&relevant_count=1
Um, source code of what? They release sources of Honeycomb, and there are no sources of ICS or Jelly Bean, so what's the whole point?
Source code for drivers which can be ported to ICS and JB. Anyway it helps coders make their own drivers for Camera/Front camera and for video
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Source code for drivers which can be ported to ICS and JB. Anyway it helps coders make their own drivers for Camera/Front camera and for video
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Then we would need not just the drivers, but the whole 3.x kernel. I believe it's much harder to adapt ICS/JB drivers to GB/HC kernels
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Source code for drivers which can be ported to ICS and JB. Anyway it helps coders make their own drivers for Camera/Front camera and for video
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Then we're asking the wrong ppl, it's not HTC. to understand this first you need to understand what makes up a ROM.
There is the kernel which is low level device specific, the kernel is mostly based on open source linux code, htc adds some board and device specific configuration on top of that.
Then there is the aosp which is also open source, an operating system provided by google that makes up most part of any ROM.
Then you have your aosp derivative like CM or AOKP, which provides board specific fixes and some customization. HTC's ROM is also based on aosp, but they add their own sense look and feel to it.
And finally and most importantly you have your close source proprietary drivers provided by chip manufactures like Qualcomm and TI. They control cameras, wifi, BT...etc. So in reality there is very little HTC could do as they don't have the rights to release these code. And that's is where most ppl run into issues.
So to create a ROM is not hard at all, anybody can download the source code and compile it to generate a ROM as most of the source code are all open source. What will be helpful is if Qualcomm releases the source code for their drivers, which I doubt they will ever do, otherwise they wouldn't be close source in the first place. The only thing we could do is try to reverse engineer the device base on logs and understanding of how each component should work and make educated guesses.
Due to HTC lack of effort on this device (No ICS - HC was slow joke) I will never buy another HTC product again, same goes for sony, though they did eventually update xperia x10i it was only due to huge pressure not because they wanted to.
I want to buy an electronic product that potentially remains relevant at least a year later otherwise forget it.
so i sent this letter to HTC
after reading this page where HTC discusses 4.1 upgrades i decided to drop them a line "
DIRECTLY FROM YOUR WEBSITE:
When will additional devices receive Android 4.1?
In addition to the HTC One X and HTC One S, we are actively reviewing our product portfolio to identify candidates to receive Jelly Bean. Our goal is to prioritize review for devices launched in 2012 with our numerous carrier partners across multiple regions and then consider our ability to provide updates to products from 2011.
What devices will not get Android 4.1?
We work hard to ensure each of our products has the optimal user experience and therefore some products will remain at their current version of Android. In general, devices with 512MB RAM or less will not be upgraded to Android 4.1. At present, these devices include the HTC One V and the HTC Desire C. As we identify other devices that will not be upgraded, we'll provide updated information.
What about a development version of Android 4.1?
For our developer community, we plan to make generic development ROMs of Jelly Bean available for both the HTC One X and HTC One S. As soon as the ROMs are ready, they will be posted to our HTCdev site (www.htcdev.com). We strongly recommend customers take the time to understand the limitations of the development software along with the terms and conditions on the site before downloading to their device.
REALLY!? have you listened to what your customers have asked/said about the HTC flyer at all?! where is OUR 4.1 DEVELOPMENT ROM! wtf! where are you for us!? I can tell you where... you are giving us 3.2 HC that takes away two very important features i bought the device for #1 GPS! completely broken by your newest update to HC. #2. Hardware Keys.... WHY?! i understand that HC introduced soft keys. so you say you "We work hard to ensure each of our products has the optimal user experience" BULL! you clearly weren't thinking about the end user when you pushed out that HC update for the flyer. Would have been smarter for you to leave us on working GB and go straight to ICS or JB when it was ready! this is lunacy! who ever is making decisions in your company needs fired. you are bleeding money from everywhere. why don't you bring it back to the old school HTC that CARED! ABOUT! IT'S CUSTOMERS! listen to what we are saying! hear our voice! we have signed petitions. we have pleaded on multiple forums. WE have poured over your FB and twitter pages asking for you to throw us a freaking bone here.... when is it gonna happen? ever?!
I still have my flyer and i love it dearly. but without updates it's falling behind the pack. I recently bought a 10.1 galaxy note. while i'm happy with it's speed and what not. it's not the form factor i want. which is what the flyer is for me. perfect. PLEASE DON'T GIVE UP ON US OR THIS DEVICE! PLEASE RELEASE A DEVELOPER ROM FOR OUR FLYER! "
this was their reply (you will want to read it for sure)
Dear Matt,
Thanks for contacting HTC!
We completely understand your concern and I thank you for your patience and am deeply sorry if this issue has caused you any dissatisfaction with HTC or its phones. I hope that it will not detract from your overall perspective of the device or the company. You are the most important part of the HTC Family.
We listen to our community and feedbacks like yours are the ones that make us revise our decisions, and try to find the correct balance between the device’s performance and usability. We cannot announce or say anything about the Flyer right now but what I can tell you is that we are, indeed, paying attention to the community´s feedback and opinions.
Should you require further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us through http://www.htc.com/us/support/email-support or call us at +1-866-449-8358 from 6AM to 1AM EST, 7 days a week.
Have a great day!
Let me know if I have successfully answered your question, please click here to complete this.
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Sincerely,
Carlos
HTC
I appreciate the passion here, but HTC left this device for dead along with the Jetstream and View shortly after releasing it. We received what would amounted to a Beta of Honeycomb then they closed up shop. You live and learn, and although I still use my Flyer and enjoy it I will not buy another HTC device
I completely agree with you .. HTC should give us ICS or JB for our Flyer as a good faith. We must keep GB because honeycomb is a joke..
I use my Flyer and i try as much as possible with the optimized news on GB .. and share with you.
Hoping for a good action on their part for JB!!
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Then we would need not just the drivers, but the whole 3.x kernel. I believe it's much harder to adapt ICS/JB drivers to GB/HC kernels
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so the kernel source for HC 3.2 that's in HTCDev,,that is NOT the entire kernel sourcecode?
i know it's an old thread but i am wondering...
gersto said:
so the kernel source for HC 3.2 that's in HTCDev,,that is NOT the entire kernel sourcecode?
i know it's an old thread but i am wondering...
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that the honeycomb kernel .
doesn't do you much good for ICS or JB
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Then we're asking the wrong ppl, it's not HTC. to understand this first you need to understand what makes up a ROM.
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You didn't understand I think. The drivers are part of the kernel. May they be compiled into the kernel itself or in form of modules. Drivers can be binary objects to be linked (already compiled) or source code which will be compiled when the kernel is built.
If you have the drivers source code there is a fairly good chance to get them running in newer kernels with some minor changes.
So from my point of view you will have a good chance to even get 4.2 up and running as long as you have the drivers source code.
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You didn't understand I think. The drivers are part of the kernel. May they be compiled into the kernel itself or in form of modules. Drivers can be binary objects to be linked (already compiled) or source code which will be compiled when the kernel is built.
If you have the drivers source code there is a fairly good chance to get them running in newer kernels with some minor changes.
So from my point of view you will have a good chance to even get 4.2 up and running as long as you have the drivers source code.
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yeah, so my point is HTC publishes kernel source code, not drivers, they don't even own some of the drivers .,so you will never get that. You get a HC kernel ,that works with a HC blob set and you cannot build a working 4.xx kernel because you don;t have a 4.xxx blob set and HTC won't give you one because they have never written one and never will
DigitalMD said:
that the honeycomb kernel .
doesn't do you much good for ICS or JB
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well they must be of some good since we have ICS/JB ROMs out there that are "mostly" complete, slick and usable, although slightly buggy, so obviously yeah i get that it doesn't solve all the issues we have, since some drivers are missing: as evident by the non-working FC, no hardware decoding for video, and semi-working BT
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yeah, so my point is HTC publishes kernel source code, not drivers, they don't even own some of the drivers .,so you will never get that. You get a HC kernel ,that works with a HC blob set and you cannot build a working 4.xx kernel because you don;t have a 4.xxx blob set and HTC won't give you one because they have never written one and never will
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Not exactly. The kernel is also part of AOSP. And even if HTC does not supply the driver sources there is a slight chance to use old driver binaries or to have them reverse engineered by some genius dev. Hope is the last to die
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Not exactly. The kernel is also part of AOSP. And even if HTC does not supply the driver sources there is a slight chance to use old driver binaries or to have them reverse engineered by some genius dev. Hope is the last to die
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Keep dreaming. Some of the best around have tried that path.
No the device kernel is not in AOSP, the base linux (ANdorid) kernel source resides there, but if you look at the build, it calls in device , vendor, OS verson and board specific components to make a complete build. All that hooks into the blobs (drivers and libs) to make up the device specific environment that allows Android version X.XX to run
DigitalMD said:
Keep dreaming. Some of the best around have tried that path.
No the device kernel is not in AOSP, the base linux (ANdorid) kernel source resides there, but if you look at the build, it calls in device , vendor, OS verson and board specific components to make a complete build. All that hooks into the blobs (drivers and libs) to make up the device specific environment that allows Android version X.XX to run
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Thanks for clarification. So I was not wrong about the drivers, which are the device and vendor specific components. In other words if you can get the vendor to release their sources or make their chip/board manufacturers to release their sources is the only way to go. Seems a bit unrealistic though but who knows...
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All should email the HTCDev
Use this link http://www.htcdev.com/contact
They themselves posted on that link
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151213304969443&set=o.101063233083&type=1&relevant_count=1
Takes just f**kin 5 seconds
May be they will listen some day
freworld said:
All should email the HTCDev
Use this link http://www.htcdev.com/contact
They themselves posted on that link
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151213304969443&set=o.101063233083&type=1&relevant_count=1
Takes just f**kin 5 seconds
May be they will listen some day
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+1
Last update for CM10 is 29.12 ?
And it went straight from a nightly to "stable" build.
It is quite silly to abandon one project if yet to be completed abruptly for another.
So like 10.1 will only get three quarters completion and dumped when 4.2.2 aosp code is released?
This is quite frankly utter madness.
A very good enough reason perhaps why ios versions are better polished.
Sadly disappointing.
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nothing was abandoned. no stable release exists for this tab suite (until all bugs are squashed) as of yet. i purposefully switched to cm-10.1 for nightly on this tab suite (after various feedback/observations from people).
either move, or wait till the remaining bugs are squashed (first in cm-10.1, which i will then also try my best to apply to cm10) for a possible stable release.
if you want faster progress, start working on it. any help which re-mediates bugs which are device specific are welcomed. this is not closed source. all of this is out in the open. if you want it, make it happen.
your tab was abandoned at official ICS. anything greater is a plus and a gift as far as i'm concerned and is willed by my passion to keep working on it (when everyone else has bailed).
Serpentene said:
A very good enough reason perhaps why ios versions are better polished.
Sadly disappointing.
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Please go to ios if you expect things to be done for you. This is not constructive at all considering that you are bringing nothing to the table. As pershoot said, it is his passion is why we see anything past the gimped TW ICS that was official release by Samsung. Not only is Samsung done with our Tab, so is Google. pershoot worked his butt off to bring compatibility to the code that dropped support for us.
pershoot said:
nothing was abandoned. no stable release exists for this tab suite (until all bugs are squashed) as of yet. i purposefully switched to cm-10.1 for nightly on this tab suite (after various feedback/observations from people).
either move, or wait till the remaining bugs are squashed (first in cm-10.1, which i will then also try my best to apply to cm10) for a possible stable release.
if you want faster progress, start working on it. any help which re-mediates bugs which are device specific are welcomed. this is not closed source. all of this is out in the open. if you want it, make it happen.
your tab was abandoned at official ICS. anything greater is a plus and a gift as far as i'm concerned and is willed by my passion to keep working on it (when everyone else has bailed).
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I respect your skills and passions..but
The methodology used here is illogical at best and quite confusing at worst.
BY introducing 10.1 in the same chain of nightly sequences this too is causing a havoc as well.
Users are assuming by being led to assume..this is the continued CM10 build chain of updates.
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Serpentene said:
I respect your skills and passions..but
The methodology used here is illogical at best and quite confusing at worst.
BY introducing 10.1 in the same chain of nightly sequences this too is causing a havoc as well.
Users are assuming by being led to assume..this is the continued CM10 build chain of updates.
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think of it this way,
i enabled this tab to allow for the latest updates, one in which it would never see otherwise. this allows me to work on the latest and the not so latest, as it pertains to the device, in the public eye to allow for collaboration and feedback.
you don't want it, you do not have to flash. nothing is forced upon you.
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think of it this way,
i enabled this tab to allow for the latest updates, one in which it would never see otherwise. this allows me to work on the latest and the not so latest, as it pertains to the device, in the public eye to allow for collaboration and feedback.
you don't want it, you do not have to flash. nothing is forced upon you.
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You are absolutely right, I'm very pleased to have Your versions available to flash. We who are not so talented, should be grateful (and maybe also a little bit more humble ) Thank You! :good:
Just want to sat Thankyou to pershoot, with CM10.1 my tab is better than it has been in ages. Loads of respect for the talented people who keep our devices alive.
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The comment is not implied to be antagonistic but rather to question the logic and intentions set forth by the developer.
We all most certainly appreciate the passions of Pershoot and his work.
I personally thank him for answering.
When his fan base and other developers like him respect the work enough to adopt and invest in its contribution it then
Initiates itself into the hands of the global user community.
The community becomes dependant upon its completion. This is an ethical responsibility.
All reputation and notoriety is won or lost in this human principle.
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Serpentene said:
The comment is not implied to be antagonistic but rather to question the logic and intentions set forth by the developer.
We all most certainly appreciate the passions of Pershoot and his work.
I personally thank him for answering.
When his fan base and other developers like him respect the work enough to adopt and invest in its contribution it then
Initiates itself into the hands of the global user community.
The community becomes dependant upon its completion. This is an ethical responsibility.
All reputation and notoriety is won or lost in this human principle.
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Seriously...?
Pershoot,
Thanks a million for all the amazing work you and all the other developers are doing,
If you want to change version every week I'll just say "thank you". :good:
Serpentene said:
The comment is not implied to be antagonistic but rather to question the logic and intentions set forth by the developer.
We all most certainly appreciate the passions of Pershoot and his work.
I personally thank him for answering.
When his fan base and other developers like him respect the work enough to adopt and invest in its contribution it then
Initiates itself into the hands of the global user community.
The community becomes dependant upon its completion. This is an ethical responsibility.
All reputation and notoriety is won or lost in this human principle.
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Did you seriously just say this?
Read the post linked in my signature please.
One should never feel they become 'dependent' on whether or not a developer who is not being paid for his time and does this work for fun 'finishes' development on a ROM based on your personal standard. If you feel that way you should probably not be modding your devices in the first place. XDA does not exist so you can imply its users have an ethical responsibility to give you what you need to make your device cooler than someone else's... It exists to inspire you to learn how to do this stuff and give back. It is a hobby, not a responsibility, and you acknowledge that fact when you flash the work.
Honestly, if you want to see something done and don't feel like waiting for the developer to address your particular concern, you have two options:
1) be prepared to donate funds in the hundreds of dollars per hour to pay the dev's bills and maybe the dev will focus on your needs
2) do it yourself...no one's stopping you
Sent from my Infamous Tab.
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Really!? Really!?... And you wonder why we (developers) leave...
Pershoot has done more for this device the ANYONE ! instead of complaining, how about you say thank you and maybe send him a donation.
How to get souce code?
pershoot said:
nothing was abandoned. no stable release exists for this tab suite (until all bugs are squashed) as of yet. i purposefully switched to cm-10.1 for nightly on this tab suite (after various feedback/observations from people).
either move, or wait till the remaining bugs are squashed (first in cm-10.1, which i will then also try my best to apply to cm10) for a possible stable release.
if you want faster progress, start working on it. any help which re-mediates bugs which are device specific are welcomed. this is not closed source. all of this is out in the open. if you want it, make it happen.
your tab was abandoned at official ICS. anything greater is a plus and a gift as far as i'm concerned and is willed by my passion to keep working on it (when everyone else has bailed).
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I want to get the 10.1 source code to compile by myself. Can you tell me how to get total source code to compile and produce zip file to flash my tab?
Thanks.
wooxz said:
I want to get the 10.1 source code to compile by myself. Can you tell me how to get total source code to compile and produce zip file to flash my tab?
Thanks.
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http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/index.php?title=P4wifi_Info
This wasn't a complaint or rant. It is a simple question and answer of completing what the developer started.
I can ask without the need for stroking theatrics..
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Serpentene said:
This wasn't a complaint or rant. It is a simple question and answer of completing what the developer started.
I can ask without the need for stroking theatrics..
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you went from asking to a diatribe about philosophies and how I need to live up to one's expectations. put yourself in my shoes, then re-read what you wrote and the tact that was followed.
while i'm a very patient and passionate person, i only have one brain, two hands and only so much free time.
as stated prior, roll up your sleeves and start working on it. that is how you can make a difference and understand what a person like me goes through supporting X amount of users across X amount of devices.
Who here is willing to help me out with harassing/asking/begging HTC Dev to upload the source code for the Max kernel? I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that with out that AOSP is just a pipe dream..
Idea #1 After talking to Flyhalf and some thoughts just being tossed around I went ahead and attempted to boot the m7vzw recovery to see where it got me which turned out to be absolutely nowhere lol... Except for a black screen for a few moments and then it rebooted itself back to the bootloader.. It was a nice brief thought of us possibly being able to work with a kernel and code that already existed publicly! But again just another pipe dream...
Idea #2 Was an actual interesting idea considering it doesn't brick the device and render it useless, but after talking to nocoast from liquid/carbon/gummy what have you, as he said this would just be EPIC lol.. He suggested that I attempt at flashing the One Max to a GPE (Google Play Edition for those noobs that don't know what GPE is) and converting it over to a Google Experience device like the OG HTC One users are doing.. It's a fantastic idea but I however won't be the first to attempt this. Also considering we don't have an actual Verizon HTC One Max RUU available as of yet where if the phone wasn't completely shot that I would be able to RUU back to stock. See this would actually be seriously epic but my thoughts on that are if it did flash hypothetically speaking and it booted no problem what happens with RIL? I haven't seen anyone with a Verizon HTC One post anywhere that they were able to do this, correct me if I'm wrong.. There wouldn't be radios available for us considering the GPE devices are all GSM... Not to mention that even if I pulled the radios from a firmware dump and did some zip hacking the frameworks would probably not support it.........
Anyone reading this know of any Verizon HTC One users who successfully flashed their device to GPE and everything is working? If someone can find anyone who truly pulled this off I'll for hell of it give the GPE kitkat RUU a flash to see what happens out of curiosity maybe... I mean if you think of it how dope would it be to have the Google bootloader and get updates from Google and not HTC!!!
This is why I'm saying if you have a few minutes to spare please go to HTC Dev site and shoot them an email asking for kernel source code so we can get the ball rolling on AOSP builds.. I know I'm not the only one who is hurting for some source built ROMs! I've used Flyhalf's work since day one on the original Verizon HTC One and I know how phenomenal his builds were and I'm dying to run them on this! I always used HTC devices with the exception of briefly going to the Galaxy Nexus then Galaxy S3 then quickly to the Note 2, and what I loved about the Note 2 was the screen size! The last 3 devices I listed was all for screen real-estate well the Gnex was for ICS and 1st Verizon Nexus, but the rest screen real-estate! I don't need all that extra bloat garbage Samsung crams down everyones throat with the stylus and s-pen apps and s-voice and blah blah.. I loved it cuz it was BIG! I fell in freaking love with the HTC One but my biggest issue was coming from the Note 2 was stepping back down to a 4.7 inch screen....... Everything else I loved loved loved.. Then the announced the One Max and it was a wrap! This is something I can rock with for a minute tip they release the next super sized HTC phone with more power. HTC really nails it when it comes to build quality. They are just falling short with the carriers rules on being locked down and not releasing source in a timely fashion like some of the other OEMs are..
So lets get together as a community and try and get us some source!!!!! I've already been in touch with them a few times regarding this matter, and they basically just said that they are working on getting it to us............ Come on?????? We know it exists just upload it already!
+1 we need to kick of AOSP builds. I would like to email HTC Dev, however not have done any before. Can i request you to post anything specific that needs to be added to this email? it would help the other users here too.
From what I understand they booted the Sprint One recovery on a (your?) Verizon One Max. Wouldn't that mean the Sprint One kernel could be used (with some modification) with the Verizon radio? Both are cdma so it *may* not be that difficult.
No when beaups and I messed with my Max and he updates his rumrunner to work on the Verizon variant I went ahead and flashed and booted the Sprint One "Max" recovery not the original One recovery..
Jiggity Janx said:
From what I understand they booted the Sprint One recovery on a (your?) Verizon One Max. Wouldn't that mean the Sprint One kernel could be used (with some modification) with the Verizon radio? Both are cdma so it *may* not be that difficult.
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İdea
Murrda said:
Who here is willing to help me out with harassing/asking/begging HTC Dev to upload the source code for the Max kernel? I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that with out that AOSP is just a pipe dream..
Idea #1 After talking to Flyhalf and some thoughts just being tossed around I went ahead and attempted to boot the m7vzw recovery to see where it got me which turned out to be absolutely nowhere lol... Except for a black screen for a few moments and then it rebooted itself back to the bootloader.. It was a nice brief thought of us possibly being able to work with a kernel and code that already existed publicly! But again just another pipe dream...
Idea #2 Was an actual interesting idea considering it doesn't brick the device and render it useless, but after talking to nocoast from liquid/carbon/gummy what have you, as he said this would just be EPIC lol.. He suggested that I attempt at flashing the One Max to a GPE (Google Play Edition for those noobs that don't know what GPE is) and converting it over to a Google Experience device like the OG HTC One users are doing.. It's a fantastic idea but I however won't be the first to attempt this. Also considering we don't have an actual Verizon HTC One Max RUU available as of yet where if the phone wasn't completely shot that I would be able to RUU back to stock. See this would actually be seriously epic but my thoughts on that are if it did flash hypothetically speaking and it booted no problem what happens with RIL? I haven't seen anyone with a Verizon HTC One post anywhere that they were able to do this, correct me if I'm wrong.. There wouldn't be radios available for us considering the GPE devices are all GSM... Not to mention that even if I pulled the radios from a firmware dump and did some zip hacking the frameworks would probably not support it.........
Anyone reading this know of any Verizon HTC One users who successfully flashed their device to GPE and everything is working? If someone can find anyone who truly pulled this off I'll for hell of it give the GPE kitkat RUU a flash to see what happens out of curiosity maybe... I mean if you think of it how dope would it be to have the Google bootloader and get updates from Google and not HTC!!!
This is why I'm saying if you have a few minutes to spare please go to HTC Dev site and shoot them an email asking for kernel source code so we can get the ball rolling on AOSP builds.. I know I'm not the only one who is hurting for some source built ROMs! I've used Flyhalf's work since day one on the original Verizon HTC One and I know how phenomenal his builds were and I'm dying to run them on this! I always used HTC devices with the exception of briefly going to the Galaxy Nexus then Galaxy S3 then quickly to the Note 2, and what I loved about the Note 2 was the screen size! The last 3 devices I listed was all for screen real-estate well the Gnex was for ICS and 1st Verizon Nexus, but the rest screen real-estate! I don't need all that extra bloat garbage Samsung crams down everyones throat with the stylus and s-pen apps and s-voice and blah blah.. I loved it cuz it was BIG! I fell in freaking love with the HTC One but my biggest issue was coming from the Note 2 was stepping back down to a 4.7 inch screen....... Everything else I loved loved loved.. Then the announced the One Max and it was a wrap! This is something I can rock with for a minute tip they release the next super sized HTC phone with more power. HTC really nails it when it comes to build quality. They are just falling short with the carriers rules on being locked down and not releasing source in a timely fashion like some of the other OEMs are..
So lets get together as a community and try and get us some source!!!!! I've already been in touch with them a few times regarding this matter, and they basically just said that they are working on getting it to us............ Come on?????? We know it exists just upload it already!
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Good idea thanks
alright, just contacted htc dev asking them for one max downloadables.
How did you go about contacting them? Was it through the "Tell us what you want" tab on htcdev.com? Keep us informed!!! Hopefully if enough people do this regardless of your carrier since we are looking for common source for the kernel we can expedite the process a little since HTC tends be s l o w with posting their special sauce... Also thanks pradeepvizz, much appreciated!
pradeepvizz said:
alright, just contacted htc dev asking them for one max downloadables.
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Murrda said:
How did you go about contacting them? Was it through the "Tell us what you want" tab on htcdev.com? Keep us informed!!! Hopefully if enough people do this regardless of your carrier since we are looking for common source for the kernel we can expedite the process a little since HTC tends be s l o w with posting their special sauce... Also thanks pradeepvizz, much appreciated!
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Yeah, did it via "Tell us what you want".
Here is the direct link for ppl to find it faster - http://www.htcdev.com/contact
i have known HTC's slow release timings over the kernel source in general and also about their bad attitude, hopefully we get more ppl to demand them. HTC One had got 4.3 update 2 months ago and it was only last week or so that the kernel source was released
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Thanks for putting together the thread!
I have got a strange response... here it is
Thank you for contacting HTC support.
As per your email, we understand that you want to know the Kernel source code and other available updates for your HTC One max.
We will provide you with all the necessary information in this regard.
We regret to inform you that at HTC, we do not share the Kernel source code or recommend our HTC customers to convert or root the device as doing so voids the warranty of the phone and it may also cause hardware to malfunction. We do not provide support for rooting and unlocking the bootloader.
Please read the disclaimer given below:
Disclaimer: Unlocking your device allows you to install custom Operating Systems (“OS”) onto your device. Custom OS’s are not tested as thoroughly as your original OS, and unlocking your device may void all or parts of your warranty. HTC disclaims any and all liability for proper functioning of your device after the bootloader has been unlocked and for data lost in the unlocking process. To prevent unauthorized access to your data, unlocking the bootloader will delete all personal data from your device including applications, text messages and personalized settings.
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When i asked HTC dev about the kernel source this was the reply i recieved. Hopefully really soon actually means really soon and HTC doesn't work on Valve time.
Thank you for contacting HTC technical support, we are really glad to know that you are loving your HTC One Max, hopefully you enjoyed for a long time.
We hope to have the Kernel source posted on htcdev.com really soon, please be tuned with the site for more information about it.
Brandon, once again let me apologize for all the inconveniences you have had for this situation, please let me know if there is anything else that I can help you with today.
Please do not hesitate on replying this email to let us know your questions, you can also contact us through our official website at htc .com/us/contact/email/ or by phone at +1-866-449-8358 from 8AM to 1AM ET, 7 days a week.
Have a great day!
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Different responses showing their difference in attitude against devs
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I have been in contact with them pretty frequently over the past week and they have as they said "escalated the issue" to the right team to expedite the process on getting the kernel source up.. I'm right now awaiting another email from them and I encouraged them to call me as well lol.. We'll see!!! We can only hope!
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Different responses showing their difference in attitude against devs
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Murrda said:
I have been in contact with them pretty frequently over the past week and they have as they said "escalated the issue" to the right team to expedite the process on getting the kernel source up.. I'm right now awaiting another email from them and I encouraged them to call me as well lol.. We'll see!!! We can only hope!
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Thats a good idea, i will follow up too! just in case it helps
I don't get any useful response from these guys... Were you successful in getting something?
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I was in contact with them again last night and they responded today and told me that my escalation was received and is in the process of being reviewed and typically takes 7 to 10 business days and at that point would come to a resolution.. I explained to them that I understand Sense and HTC's extra nonsense is proprietary and told them that I don't care about that. What I care about is the kernel source and them following through with GPL compliancy and how not only on the One Max but all HTC devices based on the Linux kernel being modified and redistributed NEEDS to be made open and in good ethics in a timely fashion.... If anyone is really interested in seeing what I wrote I'll post the whole email lol.. It's a lot for me to retype. I gave it to them thorough though. I mean really gave it to them with facts and dates. How they were the originating OEM to release a public Android device and how they initiated the launch of the Open Handset Alliance and how they suck at being "Open"!! It was pretty good I felt!!!
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I don't get any useful response from these guys... Were you successful in getting something?
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Murrda said:
I was in contact with them again last night and they responded today and told me that my escalation was received and is in the process of being reviewed and typically takes 7 to 10 business days and at that point would come to a resolution.. I explained to them that I understand Sense and HTC's extra nonsense is proprietary and told them that I don't care about that. What I care about is the kernel source and them following through with GPL compliancy and how not only on the One Max but all HTC devices based on the Linux kernel being modified and redistributed NEEDS to be made open and in good ethics in a timely fashion.... If anyone is really interested in seeing what I wrote I'll post the whole email lol.. It's a lot for me to retype. I gave it to them thorough though. I mean really gave it to them with facts and dates. How they were the originating OEM to release a public Android device and how they initiated the launch of the Open Handset Alliance and how they suck at being "Open"!! It was pretty good I felt!!!
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Awesome job mate, good stuff. I don't think there were not much of other devs hanging success with the HTC Dev. I am looking forward for the whole email
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@Murrda did the HTC guys respond ? i don't really expect any response even after their SLA.