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Hi XZU users.
First post here since I moved from the GT N7000 forums.
Just a quick question about achieving root on our devices..........and it isnt "how does I get root".
Maybe someone that is way more intelligent than me can help but............ Every other phone I have used or rooted has been via an exploit found or created by the wonderful people here on XDA. Usually all packed up nice in a trustworthy file, whether it be a handy one click app, a bin file to auto run some adb method or a small auto root windows program.
Why is the only available root at this time via this Chinese websites programme?
Please do not think Im asking for another root method. I understand the complexities involved around android development. Thats why I dont do it.
Just wondering.......
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I totally get what you're saying. I was a huge skeptic, and i even talked to Chainfire to see what he though about vRoot (the rooting app in question). He hasn't looked at it, but he doesn't really trust chinese software, and i'm the same. But, i rooted it with vRoot, and i can't say that i've found anything unusual after rooting, and trust me; i've looked -like a mad man.
We have no idea how it works, but it works, so some people have spent a lot of time making this, so it would be kind of weird if it's malicious. If the app pulled info from the device, and didn't root, then it would be a catastrophy.
Im the same.....Just dont trust Chinese software.
Do you think if someone had the skills that the vroot app could be "reversed engineered" as such. Broken down to see what info it takes from our devices.....maybe even see what exploit its running to achieve root?
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x5starguerillaa said:
Im the same.....Just dont trust Chinese software.
Do you think if someone had the skills that the vroot app could be "reversed engineered" as such. Broken down to see what info it takes from our devices.....maybe even see what exploit its running to achieve root?
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I did actually try that I found the right tools to decompress and decompile .EXE files, but that was totally chinese to me. I had no idea what i was looking for, or at. We'll need a dev of some sorts to check this one out. You can also install a "tracker" on your computer to see what the app does in real time when it roots your device. There are several free programs that can do this, but i have never used one, so i don't know how complicated it is.
So.. I started seeing concerns pop up about Kingo installing Chinese backdoors into phones and PCs..
Has anyone else heard this? can this be confirmed?
I feel I should wait and see where this goes.
Would love to hear what you all think...
I have the same feeling.. I've finialy got around to the site... and it looks legit. ...even the most popular root tool was retired because of (supposed effortless application of the root tool)the dev saying the kingo was easier.
but i wonder too what is the fine print if any.. let's start the conversation.... Although this might be the wrong section.
It is the wrong section. Belongs in Q&A
Hey guys check this out. I emailed them and told them they should make a bootloader unlocker too, and they emailed me back and said.
Makes me rethink my decision to get the Developer Edition. Maybe they can unlock the bootloader!
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harosxcomp170 said:
Hey guys check this out. I emailed them and told them they should make a bootloader unlocker too, and they emailed me back and said.
Makes me rethink my decision to get the Developer Edition. Maybe they can unlock the bootloader!
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Well, that's crazy awesome. I guess we'll see next week. Thanks for the info.
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Spectredroid said:
Well, that's crazy awesome. I guess we'll see next week. Thanks for the info.
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omg sounds great so have any of you guys took the new OTA
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omg sounds great so have any of you guys took the new OTA
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No. Don't do it. Could lose root forever.
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I saw a tweet from @teamandIRC aka Justin Case about this root method being suspect. When it comes to exploits and phone security,I really trust that guy. I'd hold off on using anything from Klingo until it is investigated further. Just my 2 cents...
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At this point, XDA staff has decided to remove all links to both Kingo and vRoot methods of rooting. Proceed at your own peril.
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At this point, XDA staff has decided to remove all links to both lingo and vroot methods of rooting. Proceed at your own peril.
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Can we know what changed? I saw it was open then locked till they provided some code then it was reopened but then I saw there was concern over the code that they gave XDA being incomplete. Is that the reason or something else. Since Design closed his thread this was the only one available so just curious since I was gonna take the update then reroot. Thanks.
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neopolotin75 said:
Can we know what changed? I saw it was open then locked till they provided some code then it was reopened but then I saw there was concern over the code that they gave XDA being incomplete. Is that the reason or something else. Since Design closed his thread this was the only one available so just curious since I was gonna take the update then reroot. Thanks.
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I too am curious about the "about face".
Be aware that as of this moment XDA has deemed the Kingo root method and Vroot method are not allowed on XDA. There are concerns with the information which is collected during the root method by the exploit. It is not about a continuous malware which may affect your device but about important information shared about your device, serial numbers etc during the root process which could be huge securities issues.
You have all been warned
Have a great day!
edfunkycold said:
Be aware that as of this moment XDA has deemed the Kingo root method and Vroot method are not allowed on XDA. There are concerns with the information which is collected during the root method by the exploit. It is not about a continuous malware which may affect your device but about important information shared about your device, serial numbers etc during the root process which could be huge securities issues.
You have all been warned
Have a great day!
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So, if we've already used this method. How can we go back to stock unrooted safely or has the damage already been done?? Id like to do that and then root via de la vega.
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I've moved this to Q and A since it is actually a question and not original development obviously... XDA is not doing a reversal at all... the said systems had yet to have a verified developer/s look at them. Now there has been. It seems that this is a VERY unsecure method of root and can open up your pc and phone to well, nasty stuff... the root files come from china... but for those of you who want to play with fire... be my guest...
This is just me thinking out loud...
Personally, I think I would be more worried about the NSA gaining access to our phones. J/K
In all seriousness, I am curious if there is any real evidence that points to anything underhanded happening when using the Kingoapp method or is this just stating that the possibility exists and it is unknown? And, if the makers of Kingoapp wanted to assure us that nothing hinky is going on, what would they have to do to prove it to the XDA community?
I think these are fair questions as human nature in general tends to turn supposition into fact in the blink of an eye so it would nice to know the real facts before anyone starts casting dispersions on them just because the root files are from China.
I do understand the precaution of removing any Kingoapp links in XDA in the meantime. :good:
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I would be more worried about the NAS gaining access to our phones. J/K
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I quit worrying about that decades ago. Surely you've heard of Big Brother. They aren't new, good, or friendly, and they ARE all over your everything. Be sure of it. We only know the tip, I'm sure. NJK
toenail_flicker said:
I quit worrying about that decades ago. Surely you've heard of Big Brother. They aren't new, good, or friendly, and they ARE all over your everything. Be sure of it. We only know the tip, I'm sure. NJK
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Kingoapp posted a response to all of the accusations made about their app on their facebook page.
So it seems that what everyone is all worked up about is that part of the information that it gathers from your phone to identify it so that the proper scripts can be downloaded is the IMEI # on the phone. The folks at Kingoapp agree that, that tidbit of information isn't necessary in the identification process and their next version will remove that "requirement." They also explain that they do use "free" servers to store some of their scrips to cut down on the traffic on their servers and the related data download costs. They will also release a version down the road that will include all of the scripts when the app is downloaded to your PC so that during the rooting process, there is no need for the app to communicate with other servers.
As I suspected, people have gone off half-cocked claiming malware is installed on the phone/PC, etc. Someone even posted that XDA said that Kingoapp installed malware (which XDA did not say!) on Kingoapps facebook page.
I wish people would realize that baseless accusations and rumors hurt the cause and could cause companies like Kingoapp, that are providing a free way to root your phone without tripping Knox in one step, to stop development and remove their work from the market.
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Kingoapp posted a response to all of the accusations made about their app on their facebook page.
So it seems that what everyone is all worked up about is that part of the information that it gathers from your phone to identify it so that the proper scripts can be downloaded is the IMEI # on the phone. The folks at Kingoapp agree that, that tidbit of information isn't necessary in the identification process and their next version will remove that "requirement." They also explain that they do use "free" servers to store some of their scrips to cut down on the traffic on their servers and the related data download costs. They will also release a version down the road that will include all of the scripts when the app is downloaded to your PC so that during the rooting process, there is no need for the app to communicate with other servers.
As I suspected, people have gone off half-cocked claiming malware is installed on the phone/PC, etc. Someone even posted that XDA said that Kingoapp installed malware (which XDA did not say!) on Kingoapps facebook page.
I wish people would realize that baseless accusations and rumors hurt the cause and could cause companies like Kingoapp, that are providing a free way to root your phone without tripping Knox in one step, to stop development and remove their work from the market.
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root worked for me from Kingo...easier on MJ4...no problems
mvansomeren said:
I wish people would realize that baseless accusations and rumors hurt the cause and could cause companies like Kingoapp, that are providing a free way to root your phone without tripping Knox in one step, to stop development and remove their work from the market.
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Great news, and agreed. I've been waiting for things to calm down. I want Kingoapp and root. Seems the best for the time. Not ready to root, yet, but I will and I hope Kingoapp has the update by then.
I wonder how many people have downloaded, without a second thought, root apps, or themes.....and even non root. Guess where a LOT of those are written? Just sayin.
So a few days ago I emailed Kingo support asking about the MTKcamera spyware and about their program being spyware in general. This was their response...
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Proper grammar, sentence and paragraph structure, and intelligent, this is obviously not a punk trying to rob us of anything. After reading their explanation, I'd be much more comfortable using their product.
Good read. I was most leery about it reading IMEI, and will use their software in their next release that removes it.
One thing that has been pondering my mind. That Kingo unlock tool they have been taking abbot. It seems promising but what are the chances?
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chrisnosleep said:
Proper grammar, sentence and paragraph structure, and intelligent, this is obviously not a punk trying to rob us of anything. After reading their explanation, I'd be much more comfortable using their product.
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E.S.L.
The more I read from Kingo and the more I look into this issue, the more I think that they are not doing anything shady.
Their app. is advertised for rooting, unlocking, etc., TONS of different devices. Some devices I know need to have certain codes created from that specific device's information (like the IMEI and SN or whatever) in order to achieve some of these unlocks, etc...
I have a hunch they just collect that info. from all the connected devices in case they need it on their servers to generate one of these specific codes/scripts they need.
*shrug*
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One thing that has been pondering my mind. That Kingo unlock tool they have been taking abbot. It seems promising but what are the chances?
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I followed up to his email with this... after my last response about the specs, he never answered lol So I'm guessing no
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I think an important thing to consider is that word spreads through the development community pretty quickly and if they were caught red handed helping themselves to private data they risk a major backlash, most android enthusiasts take their phones more seriously than politics or religion. The letter seems legit and they are removing the questionable information gathered. To offend this community is a legitimate way to lose 60+ percent of the people who would use your services, free, ad supported or otherwise. There is only one company/entity who had constantly screwed with development and the xda crew and that's Verizon Wireless. Kingo is not Verizon Wireless.
I got more jelly beans than jelly belly, on my S3, S4, and Note 2. Where is my jellybeans ROM for my Note 3?
Okay.. wish me luck.. i'm using kingo since other preferred root methods are not recommended.
Deekayy said:
Okay.. wish me luck.. i'm using kingo since other preferred root methods are not recommended.
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Many people have used Kingo with no issues as of yet. The whole root process is a risk, but the benefits are well worth it.
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Deekayy said:
Okay.. wish me luck.. i'm using kingo since other preferred root methods are not recommended.
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How did this work for you?
They've updated the rooting software
Can anyone confirm that this method is now a more XDA approved method? As in it no longer pulls personal data from the device other than things that are necessary such as phone model and such.
McDaddyTree said:
Can anyone confirm that this method is now a more XDA approved method? As in it no longer pulls personal data from the device other than things that are necessary such as phone model and such.
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The official recommendation is to wait for version 2.0, as it will have this server information sending "feature" removed. That is based on Kingo's response. To say that Kingo devs had bad intentions for us is not accurate, but the sending of certain information to foreign servers when it really shouldn't be necessary is always understandably a red flag.
Will it hurt you to use Kingo root on your Note 3 now? Probably not. Is it safer for you to just wait for version 2.0? Probably.
Hope that helps.
They've updated to v1.1.2 it seems ( Mod Edit: links to vRoot or Kingo are currently not allowed on XDA.
) which is why I asked. Looks like they supposedly fixed the questioned issue...but I am in no way able to confirm that.
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Many people have used Kingo with no issues as of yet. The whole root process is a risk, but the benefits are well worth it.
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That's what the tobacco companies said in the '60s.
TabGuy said:
That's what the tobacco companies said in the '60s.
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Phillip Morris helpin' us shave off the bad years!
this was in response to my question about the VZW Note 3 being included in their unlock program... This seems promising
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TabGuy said:
That's what the tobacco companies said in the '60s.
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Yes, this method totally works:
Step 1: Ask Kingo if Kingo is up to no good.
Step 2: Receive response from Kingo that says no, we are totally not up to no good
Step 3: Wait, was that a triple or quadruple negative?
Step 4: ...
Step 5: Profit
I think all this hoopla over kingo is funny. People...your personal info and data is accessible on a STOCK smart phone. If you want to remain anonymous...dont use a smart phone period. Ship it to me and buy a trakfone.
have a nice day.
I figured the information being sent was pertaining to pushing the correct files, when you mass root many devices it only makes sense. Still it makes sense to be caution especially when you don't know exactly what info is being sent.
Has vroot been found to be safe to the phone and the computer?
Are thereI any other safer ways to root MJ7?
I know there are other threads with information. But I just want clarification on this.
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Swimboy46163 said:
Has vroot been found to be safe to the phone and the computer?
Are thereI any other safer ways to root MJ7?
I know there are other threads with information. But I just want clarification on this.
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I am wondering the same.. I see this.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5mCsDyW-TI
But I want clarification from here..
I used vroot to root my gs4 running 4.3 build MJ7 and it worked flawlessly
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I am wondering the same.. I see this.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5mCsDyW-TI
But I want clarification from here..
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I wouldn't want to risk it yet.
I used Kingo Root. they have updated their root tool and made (are making) it open source, according to their facebook.
Telling me it works flawlessly tells me nothing.
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Telling me it works flawlessly tells me nothing.
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Has it been proven safe? No.
Has it been proven malicious? No.
Currently there are only 2 ways to root. Kingo and vRoot.
All you can do is read and read some more, then make a decision that's best for you.
There is NO definite answer as to whether there is a 100% safe way to root MJ7.
Link?
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Is king safer than vroot to your knowledge or guess.
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Link?
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Is king safer than vroot to your knowledge or guess.
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There are no links Not allowed on XDA . Use Google.
I have no idea which one is safer. I'm not sure if either one is safe. I don't think anyone has a definitive answer yet.
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I used vroot and had success and I can say I have seen no suspicious activity at all, yes vroot installs a Chinese superuser app but that's easily replaced with the normal su app, and this exploit seems to get around all Samsung's security not triggering anything except a custom lock when you boot up but even that can be faked using xposed framwork and the wanam app which hides it leaving no sign your phones fully roooted !
I guess once its made open source we will know more. Do you know if it leaves any residual stuff on the device from being rooted from the program. Like vroot leaves its Chinese version of Super User.
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There are no links Not allowed on XDA . Use Google.
I have no idea which one is safer. I'm not sure if either one is safe. I don't think anyone has a definitive answer yet.
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I used vroot and had success and I can say I have seen no suspicious activity at all, yes vroot installs a Chinese superuser app but that's easily replaced with the normal su app, and this exploit seems to get around all Samsung's security not triggering anything except a custom lock when you boot up but even that can be faked using xposed framwork and the wanam app which hides it leaving no sign your phones fully roooted !
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Are there even any ROMs out that work for MJ7? Is the superuser app that the program installs, is that all it installs. Seems like it might put something in the background of the phone to make it "keep escaping" knox.
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Are there even any ROMs out that work for MJ7? Is the superuser app that the program installs, is that all it installs. Seems like it might put something in the background of the phone to make it "keep escaping" knox.
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There are no ROMs for MJ7. No custom recovery. No Safestrap. Just root.
All these questions you're asking have ALL been answered several times. Do a little research. There's plenty of info here on XDA.
If you don't feel comfortable using these exploits, then don't use them. Wait a while. You never now what lies ahead.
Nobody here can tell you if it's 100% safe because we just don't know. All I can tell you is that I haven't seen anyone on these boards say anything "bad" has happened with there PC or phone.
I knew 2 days straight without an "MJ7 root or recovery" thread was too good to be true
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I used that video guide and software on my s4 4.3 and then used a another tutorial on here to swap and remove the Chinese super user to the standard super user app and I've not had any problems in the last month of doing this. Everything went great and easy with no issues.
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I don't trust the Chinese. From past experiences, they will do whatever it takes to profit and take your money illegally. Just because nothing has happened to anyone YET does not mean it will not happen in the future. You don't know what kind of backdoor might be planted and what sort of information they're collecting or will collect from your device.
Please be patient. Unless you're life depends on root access. Hold off until a trusted developer can provide us with something we can all enjoy.
I would like a senior member to take 5 seconds to tell me why in hell they are getting the idea that they are so superior that being sly and rude to other members is ok!!! That is not how this site had operated in the past its starting kill the reputation of this community!!! So why dont we knock it back a few guys!!!
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I would like a senior member to take 5 seconds to tell me why in hell they are getting the idea that they are so superior that being sly and rude to other members is ok!!! That is not how this site had operated in the past its starting kill the reputation of this community!!! So why dont we knock it back a few guys!!!
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That's obviously a blanket statement. If you see somebody being rude confront them through PM.
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Charlie115 said:
I would like a senior member to take 5 seconds to tell me why in hell they are getting the idea that they are so superior that being sly and rude to other members is ok!!! That is not how this site had operated in the past its starting kill the reputation of this community!!! So why dont we knock it back a few guys!!!
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Who was being rude? If you look on Page 1 of the Q&A forums you will see that this thread is titled exactly like the other one that is 3 pages long.
The community was fine with all the senior members. You say it's because of the senior members this community is killing the reputation?
I'm going to say no. It's the junior members "Please give me everything on a silver platter" mentality and entitlement issue that's killing the reputation of this site. The site operated perfectly fine before whiny kids started showing up only to post things that have already been discussed HEAVILY and to post because they know how to hit "Reply".
I'd rather have Senior Members post with logic and experience than Junior Members, such as yourself, talking bad about them and cluttering up an already useless thread with off-topic posts that had nothing but negativity behind it.
Hope you understand.
So work is giving me a S4 from Verizon. I am on the fence about rooting it because of it being a work device. They haven't said can or can't root but I don't want to mess it up the first day they give it to me either.
I haven't ever actually used a non-rooted Android phone so it is going to be very tempting to just do it. I am very experienced with rooting devices but not being familiar with the S4 I am a little apprehensive.
My question to the S4 users is there much risk involved with rooting this device? Are there a lot of bricks or is it pretty simple? Any reason you wouldn't root a work device?
I have read through a lot of the threads in the S4 section (have the root instructions) and have seen a few problems but probably no more than any other device. But I have read over the past several months about Knox or something which has caused me to question whether to root or not. This will be my first Samsung Android device.
Thanks!!!
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So work is giving me a S4 from Verizon. I am on the fence about rooting it because of it being a work device. They haven't said can or can't root but I don't want to mess it up the first day they give it to me either.
I haven't ever actually used a non-rooted Android phone so it is going to be very tempting to just do it. I am very experienced with rooting devices but not being familiar with the S4 I am a little apprehensive.
My question to the S4 users is there much risk involved with rooting this device? Are there a lot of bricks or is it pretty simple? Any reason you wouldn't root a work device?
I have read through a lot of the threads in the S4 section (have the root instructions) and have seen a few problems but probably no more than any other device. But I have read over the past several months about Knox or something which has caused me to question whether to root or not. This will be my first Samsung Android device.
Thanks!!!
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Using SafeRoot to root your phone is extremely safe. Its been tested and used extensively and to my knowledge there is not a risk of really doing anything harmful to your phone using that method. It doesn't trip Knox so in the event you needed it or have to give the phone back just unroot it using supersu and your good!
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Using SafeRoot to root your phone is extremely safe. Its been tested and used extensively and to my knowledge there is not a risk of really doing anything harmful to your phone using that method. It doesn't trip Knox so in the event you needed it or have to give the phone back just unroot it using supersu and your good!
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Thanks Mistertac, that's what I wanted to know. Appreciate it. Will probably be checking these forums more frequently now. :good:
Although this is going to be a completely different experience from my personal Nexus 5 I am looking forward to trying out the Samsung.
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Thanks Mistertac, that's what I wanted to know. Appreciate it. Will probably be checking these forums more frequently now. :good:
Although this is going to be a completely different experience from my personal Nexus 5 I am looking forward to trying out the Samsung.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2606501
@tgrgrd00
No problem.. If you've been around the block with your Nexus then you should be good to go. There is always a chance for things to go wrong maybe I could have worded that differently but you get what im saying. SqfeRoot is the way to I've used it a couple times its really dummy proof. The dev who came out with it is a good dude and can help you if u need it in that thread
Its right in the dev section for our phone couple threads down
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2606501
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Thank you @decaturbob I was looking for that when you posted it.
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Thank you @decaturbob I was looking for that when you posted it.
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No problem
safestrap enabled hyperdrive powered
I got her all rooted up and recovery installed. Appreciate the assistance y'all.
From what I have seen this device is pretty cool I have to say. Sooooo many features it's going to take a while to get through everything but it is nice.