MOD EDIT: These posts have been moved here from the 256 MB sd card thread to continue the RAID discussion
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Screw that. I have a hard drive dedicated for sd card backups. If one fails, I buy a new one and restore my lost data. After the first time of loosing 64 gigs of music, movies roms and patches you really value how much data even 64gb is. I couldn't imagine loosing 2tb, that would devastate me. Sorry but I would never consider anything more than 128gb. Maybe 512gb but that's the absolute max. Having that much data on a device that has a finite number of read and writes makes my skin crawl....
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Screw that. I have a hard drive dedicated for sd card backups. If one fails, I buy a new one and restore my lost data. After the first time of loosing 64 gigs of music, movies roms and patches you really value how much data even 64gb is. I couldn't imagine loosing 2tb, that would devastate me. Sorry but I would never consider anything more than 128gb. Maybe 512gb but that's the absolute max. Having that much data on a device that has a finite number of read and writes makes my skin crawl....
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Don't be so myopic.
Multimedia files keep growing as processing and storage capacity increases.
Textual documents are tiny, thus easily synced via the cloud.
You think you'll lose much data on a 512GB card when ONE 4K 60FPS video takes 1/10th the space?
(Actually, today's Blu-Ray videos are ALREADY 1/10th the space at 40-50GB)
512GB will be a sneeze in a few years, just as 32GB is today.
klau1 said:
Don't be so myopic.
Multimedia files keep growing as processing and storage capacity increases.
Textual documents are tiny, thus easily synced via the cloud.
You think you'll lose much data on a 512GB card when ONE 4K 60FPS video takes 1/10th the space?
(Actually, today's Blu-Ray videos are ALREADY 1/10th the space at 40-50GB)
512GB will be a sneeze in a few years, just as 32GB is today.
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Nothing I said had anything to do with being myopic. I know our data needs are growing, I know laser based retnal projector displays and 128 bit processors are coming weather we like it or not. My problem is data loss not not being nearsighted. Now give me 4 micro sd card slots with a raid controller and these cards will be of some use to me. I can get all off subject and go this way and that, but here and now, the next two years I have this phone, my statement still stands. I don't buy things I won't use. If you buy a 2tb card, by the time you fill it up and actually start benefiting by the convenience of not having to change out your card, it'll probably be near the end of its life cycle, and I hope you would have made a backup.
certainly, everything is backed up. Regardless of the sd capacity, all your data can be synced wirelessly.
Anything today is already redundantly backed up if you're using the cloud.
I question whether redundant storage technology has a place in mobile devices where size and power efficiency is priority.
If it's possible here its possible inside a phone. Stagger stack 4 of them together and put the raid controller on the motherboard.
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DustinKimble said:
If it's possible here its possible inside a phone. Stagger stack 4 of them together and put the raid controller on the motherboard.
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Bye bye battery life.
Sent from my SM-N9005
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If it's possible here its possible inside a phone. Stagger stack 4 of them together and put the raid controller on the motherboard.
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At first I thought your concern was data lost due to hardware lost from theft or misplacement. But now, it's clear you are actually concerned about data integrety.
Why are you so concerned? Most phones don't encounter heavy write operations, especially ones heavy enough to necessitate RAID level protection, especially on SD Cards.
Data Error rates are extremely low even in hard disks. Something like 1 bit per 2TB of data operation. Hence the necessity in heavy IO applications.
But for write once a week photos, documents, videos? ABSURD.
Are you running SQL, banking transaction, or email servers on your phone?
BTW, RAID is not the same as backup.
Google this quote if you need reason why.
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Bye bye battery life.
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If everything else is getting higher capacity it's only right batteries should follow along. They are actually making huge strides in battery tech with 3d printing.
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BTW, RAID is not the same as backup.
Google this quote if you need reason why.
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True enough, it's not. But the reason I said 4 slots is for a raid 0+1 configuration. It would be possible to double the read and write speeds of the same cards while still avoiding data "loss". 4 drives is the minimum for this configurstion and would effictivly give you 4 tb of stable safe data while vastly improving the read and write speeds. Data integrity is the opposite of data corruption, which is a form of data loss. If data integrity was my concern it would still be able to be salvaged. I'm completely capable of data restoration, repairing indexes and have special boot disks for several methods of corrupt data recovery and repair. Even with hard drives the data is recoverable but not so with flash without alot (and i mean ALOT)more effort, because nothings impossible. Now back to raid 0+1. Striped and mirrored. One drive goes out, the system let's you know of a fault, the drive is replaced and your back on your feet. No data corruption, double protection and double the speed. True it's not the same as a backup. It's way better.
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If everything else is getting higher capacity it's only right batteries should follow along. They are actually making huge strides in battery tech with 3d printing.
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True enough, it's not. But the reason I said 4 slots is for a raid 0+1 configuration. It would be possible to double the read and write speeds of the same cards while still avoiding data "loss". 4 drives is the minimum for this configurstion and would effictivly give you 4 tb of stable safe data while vastly improving the read and write speeds. Data integrity is the opposite of data corruption, which is a form of data loss. If data integrity was my concern it would still be able to be salvaged. I'm completely capable of data restoration, repairing indexes and have special boot disks for several methods of corrupt data recovery and repair. Even with hard drives the data is recoverable but not so with flash without alot (and i mean ALOT)more effort, because nothings impossible. Now back to raid 0+1. Striped and mirrored. One drive goes out, the system let's you know of a fault, the drive is replaced and your back on your feet. No data corruption, double protection and double the speed. True it's not the same as a backup. It's way better.
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Long ways off still. Battery tech.
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klau1 said:
At first I thought your concern was data lost due to hardware lost from theft or misplacement. But now, it's clear you are actually concerned about data integrety.
Why are you so concerned? Most phones don't encounter heavy write operations, especially ones heavy enough to necessitate RAID level protection, especially on SD Cards.
Data Error rates are extremely low even in hard disks. Something like 1 bit per 2TB of data operation. Hence the necessity in heavy IO applications.
But for write once a week photos, documents, videos? ABSURD.
Are you running SQL, banking transaction, or email servers on your phone?
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About my concern of data "loss" read above. Again data integrity is the opposite of data corruption, which is a form of data loss. You should google your terms and understand what your saying before correcting and telling someone else to google something. It doesn't matter what I run weather it be torrent, music, video or whatever. I keep everything i download. I probably write to my card multiple times an hour not a week. I have had a couple cards crap out on me and lost all the data on them. It's happened to me and plenty of other people and as soon as it happens to you a couple of times and you loose years of collected data you'll understand too (if you don't keep a backup)
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@rbiter said:
Long ways off still. Battery tech.
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No. Not really. The 2tb sd card is theroitical I doubt there is one in existence. There is already a 3d printed battery. It's closer than you might think.
http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/2013/06/3d-printed-microbattery-grain-sand
DustinKimble said:
About my concern of data "loss" read above. Again data integrity is the opposite of data corruption, which is a form of data loss. You should google your terms and understand what your saying before correcting and telling someone else to google something.
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Of course data corruption is opposite of Data integrity. There is nothing in my post that was intended to state otherwise, Must be some misunderstanding there.....
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True it's not the same as a backup. It's way better.
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The reason why I suggested that you look up the terms backup vs raid was because it seemed to me like you were using those term interchangeably.
They serve different purposes, with not one better than the one.
Conventional wisdom states, RAID is mainly designed to sustain up-time, while backups are to prevent data lost.
To confuse their usage, is to do so at your own peril, (or you data's peril). A cursory reading on the topic will illuminate a myriad of sound reasons why.
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It doesn't matter what I run weather it be torrent, music, video or whatever. I keep everything i download. I probably write to my card multiple times an hour not a week. I have had a couple cards crap out on me and lost all the data on them. It's happened to me and plenty of other people and as soon as it happens to you a couple of times and you loose years of collected data you'll understand too (if you don't keep a backup)
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Regardless of what you choose to keep and for how long, on your SD Card, The fact that you were able to lose all your critical data merely by ONE card corruption says you are simply not employing the right data backup techniques.
And no, RAID is not the answer to this.
That you think halving capacity and quadrupling power consumption of write operations by employing RAID on a space / power limited mobile platform to combat data lost when you're only writing files "a couple times an hour" is absurd.
It's like attempting to drive a nail thru some boards by ramming a car into it. Even though it's a costly implementation, It doesn't work well, cause it's the wrong tool.
klau1 said:
Of course data corruption is opposite of Data integrity. There is nothing in my post that was intended to state otherwise, Must be some misunderstanding there.....
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May have been. I felt as though you implied I still had my data it was just no longer the same as it once was. An excerpt from wikipedia:
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The overall intent of any data integrity technique is the same: ensure data is recorded exactly as intended (such as a database correctly rejecting mutually exclusive possibilities,) and upon later retrieval, ensure the data is the same as it was when it was originally recorded. In short, data integrity aims to prevent unintentional changes to information.
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The reason why I suggested that you look up the terms backup vs raid was because it seemed to me like you were using those term interchangeably.
They serve different purposes, with not one better than the one.
Conventional wisdom states, RAID is mainly designed to sustain up-time, while backups are to prevent data lost.
To confuse their usage, is to do so at your own peril, (or you data's peril). A cursory reading on the topic will illuminate a myriad of sound reasons why.
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OK. I understand both methods. I don't get what you mean by conventional wisdom. Please expand on what you mean here because I feel we may have the same understanding but we voice what we mean differently. Raid is an array of drives set up in different configurations to do different jobs. I'm not gonna look it up, I've set up several in the past and understand the pros and cons for each of the levels. Raid 1 may not be a backup per say, but it's not that different. It's basically hardware that mirrors a drive. The benefit here is it gives you the ability to read and write two places at the same time. Now add striping on top of that and you can roughly increase your read and write speeds 4x depending on hardware. A raid array on a phone may use more battery but you accused me of being myopic unjustly earlier but now I can correctly say your being myopic.
Backup is having a separate copy of information you have to preform either manually or automatically, either way it takes some type of effort from the user to set up or preform. Them to remember to maintain in my case.
klau1 said:
Regardless of what you choose to keep and for how long, on your SD Card, The fact that you were able to lose all your critical data merely by ONE card corruption says you are simply not employing the right data backup techniques.
And no, RAID is not the answer to this.
That you think halving capacity and quadrupling power consumption of write operations by employing RAID on a space / power limited mobile platform to combat data lost when you're only writing files "a couple times an hour" is absurd.
It's like attempting to drive a nail thru some boards by ramming a car into it. Even though it's a costly implementation, It doesn't work well, cause it's the wrong tool.
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I get this analogy but it not a way I would have put it. Yes there was a time where I wouldn't have expected my card to fail and didn't keep a backup and then a second time. But honestly do you keep your card backed up? If you connect your card to a computer that often surely you don't need this absurd 1tb of space. How is raid 1+0 not the answer to this? Not being myopic and understanding by the time this, 2tb cards and much higher density batteries will be redially avaliable is not the answer? Halving capacity? It's the only way to be certain. At least if one card failed you could simply just replace it and not worry about loosing anything. You may be quadrupling power but one card only requires 200 uA at maximum performance. Surely there are other ways to cut down on power consumption than worrying about this little piece of the pie. The trade off would be 4x read and write speeds. Faster access is worth the miniscule trade off.
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I get this analogy but it not a way I would have put it. Yes there was a time where I wouldn't have expected my card to fail and didn't keep a backup and then a second time. But honestly do you keep your card backed up? If you connect your card to a computer that often surely you don't need this absurd 1tb of space. How is raid 1+0 not the answer to this? Not being myopic and understanding by the time this, 2tb cards and much higher density batteries will be redially avaliable is not the answer? Halving capacity? It's the only way to be certain. At least if one card failed you could simply just replace it and not worry about loosing anything. You may be quadrupling power but one card only requires 200 uA at maximum performance. Surely there are other ways to cut down on power consumption than worrying about this little piece of the pie. The trade off would be 4x read and write speeds. Faster access is worth the miniscule trade off.
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Clearly, the differentiating use cases between RAID (including RAID 1) and Backup is not yet grasped by you. It's a common misconception for most beginners. But until you understand the difference, you will continually be susceptible to data loss.
Compared to Backup, RAID can not protect you from the following scenarios while backups can:
1.) Unintended deletion or modification by user / application
2.) Virus attack of data
3.) hardware controller failure destroying the entire RAID array
4.) Theft / Misplacement
Backup is resistant to data loss in such scenarios.
You can easily Folder Sync your critical files to the cloud with GBs to spare. If setup properly, this all happens automatically without your intervention. And in many cases, such services are offered for free. You are also free to encrypt your files if top privacy security is of concern.
Large videos should be kept on a file or cloud server anyways and can be backed up offline if data-plan is a limiting factor. This is of minimal inconvenience since large video files are rarely created and even more rarely modified.
Wise data storage plans implement both RAID and backup solutions to combat all scenarios of data loss.
klau1 said:
Clearly, the differentiating use cases between RAID (including RAID 1) and Backup is not yet grasped by you. It's a common misconception for most beginners. But until you understand the difference, you will continually be susceptible to data loss.
Compared to Backup, RAID can not protect you from the following scenarios while backups can:
1.) Unintended deletion or modification by user / application
2.) Virus attack of data
3.) hardware controller failure destroying the entire RAID array
Backup is resistant to data loss in such scenarios.
You can easily Folder Sync your critical files to the cloud with GBs to spare. If setup properly, this all happens automatically without your intervention. And in many cases, such services are offered for free. You are also free to encrypt your files if top privacy security is of concern.
Large videos should be kept on a file or cloud server anyways and can be backed up offline if data-plan is a limiting factor.
Wise data storage plans implement both RAID and backup solutions to combat all scenarios of data loss.
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Insinuating I'm a beginner is offensive. 2 years of computer networking and having a ccna certification should tell you everything you need to know about what I know and dont. Apparently you would like to argue more than look at valid points. If you think backup drives aren't prone to failures as well maybe you are the begginer.
Two of your reasons for backup over raid are user error and can apply to a backup as well. I would never unintentionally delete a file and even if I did there is recovery software that can retrieve it. A beginner could accidentally format their backup drive thinking it was another. User error. Virus attacks are user error as well. You should have proper protection, not download shady files and have a proper firewall. Viri affect backup drives as well. If it infects your system and lays dormant it could easily be made to corrupt your entire system after it senses a backup destroying both. Backup drives have controllers as well. Just last week I had to replace a usb external controller (upgraded it to firewire while I was at it) because the computer would no longer recognize the drive. The data was still intact as would be the data on the cards. I would never ever use the cloud (remotely, a wifi drive would be completely different) due to bottlenecks. I hate having to wait to download it in the first place why would I compound that. The reason for multiple sd cards is my way of avoiding the cloud. I am so against not physically having control of my data it's not funny. Kudos on your last suggestion though, that's what I would do anyways.
DustinKimble said:
Insinuating I'm a beginner is offensive. 2 years of computer networking and having a ccna certification should tell you everything you need to know about what I know and dont. Apparently you would like to argue more than look at valid points. If backup drives aren't prone to failures as well sounds like you are the begginer.
Two of your reasons for backup over raid are user error and can apply to a backup as well. I would never unintentionally delete a file and even if I did there is recovery software that can retrieve it. A beginner could accidentally format their backup drive thinking it was another. User error. Virus attacks are user error as well. You should have proper protection, not download shady files and have a proper firewall. Viri affect backup drives as well. If it infects your system and lays dormant it could easily be made to corrupt your entire system after it senses a backup destroying both. Backup drives have controllers as well. Just last week I had to replace a usb external controller (upgraded it to firewire while I was at it) because the computer would no longer recognize the drive. The data was still intact as would be the data on the cards. I would never ever use the cloud (remotely, a wifi drive would be completely different) due to bottlenecks. I hate having to wait to download it in the first place why would I compound that. The reason for multiple sd cards is my way of avoiding the cloud. I am so against not physically having control of my data it's not funny. Kudos on your last suggestion though, that's what I would do anyways.
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I never mentioned using the cloud for backup. I dont have anything worth losing there. Raid on a phone is just so I have 2 years experience as ccna tech and I gotta come to xda and tell everybody they're doing it wrong kind of wrong.
sent from my sm-9005.
@rbiter said:
I never mentioned using the cloud for backup. I dont have anything worth losing there. Raid on a phone is just so I have 2 years experience as ccna tech and I gotta come to xda and tell everybody they're doing it wrong kind of wrong.
sent from my sm-9005.
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Wasn't talking to you.... read who I was replying to.... I never said anyone was doing anything wrong. I merely suggested a way to use high capacity sd cards in a way that would be safe and reduce the frequency of backups (if you even felt the need for that additional security) I was criticized for the system I use as far as multiple smaller sd cards to reduce failures (called myopic even) so I was suggesting a better way that was the opposite of myopic. What what's with your post? Are you drunk? It's kinda jumbled together and rambling.
DustinKimble said:
Insinuating I'm a beginner is offensive. 2 years of computer networking and having a ccna certification should tell you everything you need to know about what I know and dont. Apparently you would like to argue more than look at valid points. If backup drives aren't prone to failures as well sounds like you are the begginer.
Two of your reasons for backup over raid are user error and can apply to a backup as well. I would never unintentionally delete a file and even if I did there is recovery software that can retrieve it. A beginner could accidentally format their backup drive thinking it was another. User error. Virus attacks are user error as well. You should have proper protection, not download shady files and have a proper firewall. Viri affect backup drives as well. If it infects your system and lays dormant it could easily be made to corrupt your entire system after it senses a backup destroying both. Backup drives have controllers as well. Just last week I had to replace a usb external controller (upgraded it to firewire while I was at it) because the computer would no longer recognize the drive. The data was still intact as would be the data on the cards. I would never ever use the cloud (remotely, a wifi drive would be completely different) due to bottlenecks. I hate having to wait to download it in the first place why would I compound that. The reason for multiple sd cards is my way of avoiding the cloud. I am so against not physically having control of my data it's not funny. Kudos on your last suggestion though, that's what I would do anyways.
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It's ok to be a beginner. Everyone can learn. I'm not sure what CCNA has to do with data storage practices. But touting out credentials is a sure sign of someone frustrated from be fresh out of counter arguments.
Confusing RAID and Backup purposes is one of the most common misconceptions regarding data integrity. The numerous Q/As on forums regarding this issue is proof of this.
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Apparently you would like to argue more than look at valid points.
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Your responses were read carefully, and none contained points that can counter my arguments.
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I would never unintentionally delete a file, and even if I did there is recovery software that can retrieve it.
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Until you do.
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Virus attacks are user error as well.
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These very statements above, down-playing the most common error, user error, reek of beginner attitude. Actually, your naivety has provided quite a laugh!!
And no recovery software can't always retrieve it, especially when the free space has been overwritten before you notice. Nor are Virus attacks always usr error.
DustinKimble said:
Viri affect backup drives as well. If it infects your system and lays dormant it could easily be made to corrupt your entire system after it senses a backup destroying both.
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Explain how an Android virus on your smart phone can infect your backup on your PC or Google's Server?
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Backup drives have controllers as well.
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Yes, so explain how a controller failure on a PC or cloud server used for backup can simultaneously destroy the data on your phone?
DustinKimble said:
The reason for multiple sd cards is my way of avoiding the cloud
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That's your choice, you can alternatively backup to your own personal cloud. But how you feel about cloud backups, or download speeds, doesn't change the reality that RAID is NOT A BACKUP solution.
After reading all of this, it's obvious you misinterpreted, thinking that by "backup" I meant, backup ON-DEVICE, stored locally.
The fact that you can even conceive of doing something SOOOO stupid is clear indication of beginner mentality.
A useful backup is OFF-DEVICE, and preferably OFF-SITE. Any competent data admin would know this. Hell, even a couple of University Computer 101 courses state this.
No wonder you fail to see the point of backups over RAID, you don't even know what it is!!! :laugh:
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It's ok to be a beginner. Everyone can learn. I'm not sure what CCNA has to do with data storage practices. But touting out credentials is a sure sign of someone frustrated from be fresh out of counter arguments.
Confusing RAID and Backup purposes is one of the most common misconceptions regarding data integrity. The numerous Q/As on forums regarding this issue is proof of this.
Your responses were read carefully, and none contained points that can counter my arguments.
Until you do.
These very statements above, down-playing the most common error, user error, reek of beginner attitude. Actually, your naivety has provided quite a laugh!!
And no recovery software can't always retrieve it, especially when the free space has been overwritten before you notice. Nor are Virus attacks always usr error.
Explain how an Android virus on your smart phone can infect your backup on your PC or Google's Server?
Yes, so explain how a controller failure on a PC or cloud server used for backup can simultaneously destroy the data on your phone?
That's your choice, you can alternatively backup to your own personal cloud. But how you feel about cloud backups, or download speeds, doesn't change the reality that RAID is NOT A BACKUP solution.
After reading all of this, it's obvious you misinterpreted, thinking that by "backup" I meant, backup ON-DEVICE, stored locally.
The fact that you can even conceive of doing something SOOOO stupid is clear indication of beginner mentality.
A useful backup is OFF-DEVICE, and preferably OFF-SITE. Any competent data admin would know this. Hell, even a couple of University Computer 101 courses state this.
No wonder you fail to see the point of backups over RAID, you don't even know what it is!!! :laugh:
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I explicitly said an external drive a couple of times. The only backup on device would be a nandroid. There are so many ways you took what I said wrong. I have better things to do than this, I doubt you do.
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QQ; does SD performance degrade over time? I've noticed big media files (~500MB) I save to my SD is taking longer and longer to transfer.
I might also need to reformat my PC, but I wanted to be sure.
Thanks,
Hobbes2099 said:
QQ; does SD performance degrade over time? I've noticed big media files (~500MB) I save to my SD is taking longer and longer to transfer.
I might also need to reformat my PC, but I wanted to be sure.
Thanks,
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SD cards allow a certain number of reads/writes before they start losing performance, it's only normal!
hehe what's up with degradation threads, what's next?
Clean it up.. as SD's fill they become slower.
A back up what you need and format
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hehe what's up with degradation threads, what's next?
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hehehehehe!
It's natural, most of our X10s are now old enough to start showing symptoms
of old age! Geriatrics anyone?
I love it that some people have money to throw at new phones and can replace things at any time.
I have several of my old phones and electronic devices. if you take care of your technology it will take care of you.
It's true.. things do degrade but not after a single year unless you use it aggressively.
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I love it that some people have money to throw at new phones and can replace things at any time.
I have several of my old phones and electronic devices. if you take care of your technology it will take care of you.
It's true.. things do degrade but not after a single year unless you use it aggressively.
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Yeah, I agree.
But it all depends on build quality and especially as far as SD cards
are concerned, some are just faulty from the beginning.
I've noticed that some Transcend ones look like a cheap-knockoff of themselves
(even though I always buy from legitimate stores with physical presence, not from eBay for example)
and gave me problems very soon, had to format them pretty often
to work right. On the opposite side, Kingston seem to be durable and more reliable.
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Yeah, I agree.
But it all depends on build quality and especially as far as SD cards
are concerned, some are just faulty from the beginning.
I've noticed that some Transcend ones look like a cheap-knockoff of themselves
(even though I always buy from legitimate stores with physical presence, not from eBay for example)
and gave me problems very soon, had to format them pretty often
to work right. On the opposite side, Kingston seem to be durable and more reliable.
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So true.. you buy crap you get crap.
In the X10's case you payed for gold but you got silver.
I think the ideal thing to do, like OmegaRED said, is clean the SD up.
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If you cannot backup and format your card, you can move some big files elsewhere, increase the SD Cache amount and run the Windows Defrag (mounting your phone or card in a computer). I'm sure your card will be very faster!
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.... but a full SD is always a slow SD.
I wonder if anyone's looked in to this? Could be huge - most of us have a dead simcard slot - I wonder if there's a way to hack in an sdcard reader to the hardware?
What dead MicroSD card slot?
Do you mean the slot that has the serial # info and has nothing to do with ab SD card?
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What dead MicroSD card slot?
Do you mean the slot that has the serial # info and has nothing to do with ab SD card?
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He said dead sim card slot, not dead MicroSD card slot. The OP clearly realises the slot has nothing to do with an SD card. Seems you have misunderstood or not bothered to read it properly but nevertheless im sure the pretty much redundant piece of plastic with the serial info is something that I'm sure a lot of TP users would be prepared to sacrifice if they could mod in a card reader.
If you're going to hack anything then hack the USB port to work as a host and read away!
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He said dead sim card slot, not dead MicroSD card slot. The OP clearly realises the slot has nothing to do with an SD card. Seems you have misunderstood or not bothered to read it properly but nevertheless im sure the pretty much redundant piece of plastic with the serial info is something that I'm sure a lot of TP users would be prepared to sacrifice if they could mod in a card reader.
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Yes, I misunderstood... my apologies.
I've wondered if it would be possible to solder in a wire from a +5v somewhere to the USB. (I'm sure someone will quickly point out if this is a "bad" idea...)
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tekowalsky said:
I've wondered if it would be possible to solder in a wire from a +5v somewhere to the USB. (I'm sure someone will quickly point out if this is a "bad" idea...)
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you would probably need to create 5v first. the touchpad I think runs off something like 3v. while I seems like a good idea to hack in a card reader,my feeling is not to.worry until you in out of memory. a better idea might be a device stuck to the back containing a extra battery and a card.reader. It would make the tablet thicker but increase battery life and provide plenty of storageas well as providing the power needed for the reader.
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If you're going to hack anything then hack the USB port to work as a host and read away!
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This would also be awesome. I think it would take a bit more for this though than an sdcard since the sdcard can operate up to 3.7v.
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LateralOctober said:
This would also be awesome. I think it would take a bit more for this though than an sdcard since the sdcard can operate up to 3.7v.
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Sorry I wasn't clear enough, you can do this for real right now!
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Sorry I wasn't clear enough, you can do this for real right now!
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Do you have a link?
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Do you have a link?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1316174
And there is another fuller in depth post on another forum which I will not post here as the last time I tried to be helpful I was accused of spamming and threatened with a ban so you will have to try a google.
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Oh what the heck
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/3724-functional-usb-host-on-touchpad/
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1316174
And there is another fuller in depth post on another forum which I will not post here as the last time I tried to be helpful I was accused of spamming and threatened with a ban so you will have to try a google.
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Oh what the heck
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/3724-functional-usb-host-on-touchpad/
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Well that's not near what the OP was talking about. An SD card that give you build in storage, even on the go, is much more practical than this option.
Still could be useful, but for me it not very practical.
RojasTKD said:
Well that's not near what the OP was talking about. An SD card that give you build in storage, even on the go, is much more practical than this option.
Still could be useful, but for me it not very practical.
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Of course it isn't, but it is what I was talking about and the OP asked for the link.
So what's your problem?
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Of course it isn't, but it is what I was talking about and the OP asked for the link.
So what's your problem?
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I don't have a problem...
1. I didn't see where he asked about it... my apologies there.
2. Just pointing out the limited usefulness compared to the SD card solution.
I wasn't trying to be a jerk.
Personally I think the best solution would have been if HP would of just included an SD or MicroSD card. It drive me nuts when manufacturers mimic the apple model and give you less option and features as if that will equal success (looking at you Touchpad and GalaxyTab 10.1).
Um... Looks like the subject is just about buried in the amount of crap everyone has been piling on so far.
So back to constructive discussion... What are the advantages of having SD card in your mobile device (be it a phone or a tablet)?
I have a 16GB microSD card in my Nexus One, and I have never taken it out. I almost wish all of the flash was just integrated.
With quality of USB and network file transfer protocols I think SD is just about useless.
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Um... Looks like the subject is just about buried in the amount of crap everyone has been piling on so far.
So back to constructive discussion... What are the advantages of having SD card in your mobile device (be it a phone or a tablet)?
I have a 16GB microSD card in my Nexus One, and I have never taken it out. I almost wish all of the flash was just integrated.
With quality of USB and network file transfer protocols I think SD is just about useless.
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Very simple, I can put all my photos, videos, documents, downloads, Maps for my GPS apps on my SD card. It leaves more space on my device for apps and if and when I wipe my device I don't lose any of it. I've had time when I was having an issue with a device and had to wipe everything. Having certain files on my SDcard kept me from loosing anything. with my phone I've stored different ROM on my SDcard so I could test them out and switch between various ROM with ease.
I don't take my SDcard out either, the purpose of the SDcard isn't to move files from you computer to you phone but rather as storage.
But, I'll give you $10 for that useless 16GB microSD card.
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Very simple, I can put all my photos, videos, documents, downloads, Maps for my GPS apps on my SD card. It leaves more space on my device for apps and if and when I wipe my device I don't lose any of it. I've had time when I was having an issue with a device and had to wipe everything. Having certain files on my SDcard kept me from loosing anything. with my phone I've stored different ROM on my SDcard so I could test them out and switch between various ROM with ease.
I don't take my SDcard out either, the purpose of the SDcard isn't to move files from you computer to you phone but rather as storage.
But, I'll give you $10 for that useless 16GB microSD card.
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Technically a TouchPad without hardware damage is unbrickable, USB is connected to CPU so you could always push a boot image to RAM.
You do bring up a valid issue, but some of the ways you can stop relying on local storage are cloud storage and cloud backups. These Palm accounts that we get with WebOS on the TouchPads do just that.
Which brings us to the next question, can we have an application to access our Palm accounts from Android?
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You do bring up a valid issue, but some of the ways you can stop relying on local storage are cloud storage and cloud backups. These Palm accounts that we get with WebOS on the TouchPads do just that.
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But I like local storage. I rather have my music on my SD card. There are some picture I'd also like to have on my device locally. Same with documents and a variety of other thing. I don't have to have everything on there, but there are something I would like to have. Not to mention that being a WiFi device I can't always have access to cloud storage.
There is room for both in my opinion.
OK, I'm done... back to you regularly scheduled thread.
ive been curious about this since i got mine, but i have a 32gb, so its never really been a project in the front of my mind...imma take a look at the whitesheets and teardowns (cuz i dont wanna open mine if SD isnt possible ) and see if there are even pins for data available, but im pretty sure there isnt, which would also explain why devs are working on getting OTG running
So,
Putting my infinite wisdom to use, I've established anecdotal evidence (oxymoron? I tease....) that says something is pooping on my MicroSD cards...and that something is....wait for it, wait for it....Custom ROMs (dun, dun, dunnnnnnn). Ehr Mah Guards!!!
I ran the stock ICS ROM for many, many months without issue, and my SD Card was a champ the whole time (excluding one time I plugged it into my Wintel Box, windows thought it was damaged and decided to move a few files around, leaving me a few hundred presents, in the form of LOST.DIR checkdisk files). However, once the Jellies Beans Leakz came out, it was quickly the consensus that it had become, literally overnight, the Bee's Knees. I hopped on mah 'pooter right 'way, and downloaded that sweet sweet ROM dew. Minutes later, and it was like Mardis Gras...if ya know what I mean. He he.
Fast furward about a month, and my Good Old Champ starting to fail on me. "SD Damaged. Yada yada yada...format me." So I did. I figured it was a one off thing kinda thing, ya know? So I continued on my happy way to flashing heaven...combining endlessly different mods, themes, etc. Since charging has always been slower on AOSP ROMs, I jus' charged me batterease in my external travel charger (which can charge a battery from zero to hero in 30 minutes flat), and when mah juices got down to critical levels, I just plopped may battery out, without shutting down or anything, and popped a new one back in! Ah...the marvels of modern devices, right? I figured I could shut this baby down a hundred different ways, and as along as I wasn't flashing something, I'd be fine!
WRONG!!! A week later, I was minding my own business, watching a Keira Knightley Flix, and I forgot to charge or change me battery. The thing crapped on me, and when i booted back up, KABLAM! YOUR SD CARD IS CORRUPTED!!! FORMAT ME NOWWWWWWW.
Oops! I went back to ICS, had a merry time for some months, and not furgetting about mah SD issue, I bought a new card. A stand up card, from a stand up kinda guy, I think his name was Mamason, and the SD card was made by Sand Tisk.
But im a regular kinda guy. So i spent a buttload of cheddar on it, thinking i suffered a fool for buyin' he cheap stuff before. Well no more! No more o' DAT cheap stuff for me Meow. You coodint pay me to use the cheap, regular, barnyard animal quality micros anymore!
So there I was, happy as a kitty with a catnip lollipop, on mah Galaxy Note, new Sandy Micros and e'rything, enjoyin me stocks. I enjoyed it for a few more months, unhindered....then I got fancy...I needed a fix. Bad.
So I decided to go checking out some new flashables, in the Developmental sections at the local ExDeeAysss. I got ter flashing...enjoyed meself quite a bit, dare I say--for about two weeks; before I got thàt DEEaarrrnnnn "SD damaged!" Message again. Yowserrs! Not again!
I formatted once more, switched to a different Bean ROM, and flashed away! Guess what? A month later: "SD Damaged!”
Emooooooo Raaaagggeeeee! Kaaaaammmaaayyyyyyuuuuuuhhhhh!
I went back to ICS, flashed and flashed some stuff there, and voila!!!! No issues!
Now, I cant tie this to random reboots, to Google's extremely vulgar and disappointing lack of knowledge when it comes to modern file systems, for supporting only FAT32, to code in the AOSP, or to a bug somewhere.....but what i can say, is that abusing my phone in AoSP almost immediately gets you a donkey punch to the Note face, leaving your SD Card's brain concussed, and your memory corrupted, with a complete loss of data. Which is really bad, if you plan on using your NANDROIDs on your external storage to recover from in case something bad happens.
I can also say that this doesn't seem to happen on the stock ROMs, or at least it doesn't happen nearly as often on Samsung ROMs. As someone who uses flash memory on an industrial scale for his side jobs and projects, and abuses it elsewhere, this isn't typical. ID really like to know if anyone else has any experience or knowledge to share here, which might just turn this from anecdotal evidence, to something a tad bit more concrete.
Anyone else care to share/chip in?
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1) Interesting post. You might have a future in writting.
2) Huh?
3) Kinda long winded. Couldn't read it all.
4) Huh???
I'm not going to dis-agree with your analogies regarding the SD card, and it's possibly being damaged by particular roms/builds.
I too, have suffered 2 SD card failures since running custom builds, and in particular, the JB builds.
I've not yet isolated the cause of course, but it seems that some pieces of code are likely messing up the file structure when the card is being written.
However, it is also quite possible, that the rom itself is not the issue, As many applications have the same ability in messing up the card, and it's read/write access.
We may never know what the cause is, unless folks are willing to disect the build down to the base level, an eliminate each and every application that runs to the external SD.
No doubt a long and painful activity.
Also, I've not had any more issues..(4 months) using (cough...not sandisk) other cards, and at least class 8 or higher.
I'm also running an AOSP/JB build. (thank you Flappjaxxx)....
So I really can't say what may cause the issue, but I know it certainly exists, as I can confirm your findings as well.
Perhaps a skilled Dev. or another person, much more skilled than myself will crack the mystery one day. But for now, I suggest a good quality card, in a class 8-10, and if the card gives you trouble, then try another brand.
I know these cards are mass produced, and vary greatly in quality. Good luck in your quest Sir.....g
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I'm not going to dis-agree with your analogies regarding the SD card, and it's possibly being damaged by particular roms/builds.
I too, have suffered 2 SD card failures since running custom builds, and in particular, the JB builds.
I've not yet isolated the cause of course, but it seems that some pieces of code are likely messing up the file structure when the card is being written.
However, it is also quite possible, that the rom itself is not the issue, As many applications have the same ability in messing up the card, and it's read/write access.
We may never know what the cause is, unless folks are willing to disect the build down to the base level, an eliminate each and every application that runs to the external SD.
No doubt a long and painful activity.
Also, I've not had any more issues..(4 months) using (cough...not sandisk) other cards, and at least class 8 or higher.
I'm also running an AOSP/JB build. (thank you Flappjaxxx)....
So I really can't say what may cause the issue, but I know it certainly exists, as I can confirm your findings as well.
Perhaps a skilled Dev. or another person, much more skilled than myself will crack the mystery one day. But for now, I suggest a good quality card, in a class 8-10, and if the card gives you trouble, then try another brand.
I know these cards are mass produced, and vary greatly in quality. Good luck in your quest Sir.....g
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Yes! Exactly my thinking...I can't realistically even make a guesstimate at this point. Is it tied to reboots during disk access? A certain program I'm using? Themes? Etc.
But I can say that it happens exponentially more often with my AOSP runs. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. So I say "it happens more often" to be conservative--it hasn't happened to me on a stock ROM, and I don't remember it even happening on a stock-based ROM. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen, amirite? Maybe it's the infinitely configurable nature and availability of AOSP customizations, mixed with my infinitely-satisfied-for-just-a-day-or-two behaviors, that's causing this-- primarily due to my tinkering.
Donald Rumsfeld had it right...the things we know we know, the things we know we don't know, the things we don't know we don't know....jeeze.
And equally, the versatility, and the sheer force of diversity, will probably ensure we never nail something down.
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My guess would be the lack of a certain piece of code. Something that protects, or at least improves and stabilizes the write process.
Since we are dealing with the AOSP buids here, we lack the code added by carriers prior to device shipment, and certainly the testing of those builds.
AOSP is simply raw android, and ported to our devices by a number of means. One can only surmise, that a potential flaw may exist in the transfer proccess. (Maybe)
We may never know the cause, but it certainly is worth looking into further, given the costs associated with SD cards in general, and the amount of important data that they can store.
I know it's painful, to rely on a simple card that stores photos of families etc....Being lost and impossible to recover.
We have become dependent on our devices for support. And when a failure occurs, I suggest a backup plan, by leaving nothing on a simple card, we are not willing to be without.
Backups, and storage to other areas is really quite mandatory.....g
I fried one of mine recently by using Dark Side Super Wipe. Nobody believed me lol.
But I'm good with just the internal memory.
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charlieb620 said:
I fried one of mine recently by using Dark Side Super Wipe. Nobody believed me lol.
But I'm good with just the internal memory.
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As mentioned above.....what we know, we dont know.....LOL
It is "WITHOUT QUESTION"...possible for a script to reach the SD card, and kill it.
Not that it's a common occurence, but without a doubt it can happen.
I wish my skill set regarding the file structure of android was a bit better, so I could look deeper into these issues.
But my old brain gets too hurting over this stuff...LOL.....g
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My guess would be the lack of a certain piece of code. Something that protects, or at least improves and stabilizes the write process.
Since we are dealing with the AOSP buids here, we lack the code added by carriers prior to device shipment, and certainly the testing of those builds.
AOSP is simply raw android, and ported to our devices by a number of means. One can only surmise, that a potential flaw may exist in the transfer proccess. (Maybe)
We may never know the cause, but it certainly is worth looking into further, given the costs associated with SD cards in general, and the amount of important data that they can store.
I know it's painful, to rely on a simple card that stores photos of families etc....Being lost and impossible to recover.
We have become dependent on our devices for support. And when a failure occurs, I suggest a backup plan, by leaving nothing on a simple card, we are not willing to be without.
Backups, and storage to other areas is really quite mandatory.....g
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Titanium Media Sync would be a worthy solution, were it able to write over Samba. I could just mirror everything over to my NAS. For now, drop box will have to do. With a paltry 6Mbps up, it could take days to reach the initial parity.
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Jamesyboy said:
Titanium Media Sync would be a worthy solution, were it able to write over Samba. I could just mirror everything over to my NAS. For now, drop box will have to do. With a paltry 6Mbps up, it could take days to reach the initial parity.
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Days indeed ....
I suggest a good book while the upload occurs ..LOL ...g
I have a Samsung Galaxy S3 for both personal and business use. I do not currently use any of the security features as I don't use it for anything other than text messaging and web access, so there is nothing particularly sensitive stored on the phone, SD card or SIM card. However this is going to be changing soon as I take on a new project for work.
I need to be confident that should my phone fall into the wrong hands, they would not be able to access anything on the device. I understand that the iPhone 3 and up have an AES key burned into silicon with a hardware encryption engine which obviously provides better protection than any software based solution ever could. However I have been unable to find a definitive answer on whether handsets from any other manufacturer have a similar implementation. I would rather not have to buy a new handset, much less an Apple one, but at the moment it looks like my best bet is to pick up a second hand iPhone 4S for about £150. Do I have any other options?
Any takers?
Encryption should be fine
davejuk said:
I have a Samsung Galaxy S3 for both personal and business use. I do not currently use any of the security features as I don't use it for anything other than text messaging and web access, so there is nothing particularly sensitive stored on the phone, SD card or SIM card. However this is going to be changing soon as I take on a new project for work.
I need to be confident that should my phone fall into the wrong hands, they would not be able to access anything on the device. I understand that the iPhone 3 and up have an AES key burned into silicon with a hardware encryption engine which obviously provides better protection than any software based solution ever could. However I have been unable to find a definitive answer on whether handsets from any other manufacturer have a similar implementation. I would rather not have to buy a new handset, much less an Apple one, but at the moment it looks like my best bet is to pick up a second hand iPhone 4S for about £150. Do I have any other options?
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Encrypting the device should be fine and I suggest you to use 8 digit password. It is very difficult to break encryption on Android. There are very few methods (couple of them) for cracking the encryption, however, all the tests are made on 4 digit passcode but not on 8 digit. It takes really a very long time to crack an 8 digit password. Otherwise your data is very secure and safe once the device is encrypted.
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Encrypting the device should be fine and I suggest you to use 8 digit password. It is very difficult to break encryption on Android. There are very few methods (couple of them) for cracking the encryption, however, all the tests are made on 4 digit passcode but not on 8 digit. It takes really a very long time to crack an 8 digit password. Otherwise your data is very secure and safe once the device is encrypted.
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Thnank you for your reply.
I am aware that brute-forcing AES is impractical. However brute-force is not the only method for attacking an encrypted device.
There is not much information available online but as far as I can tell, only iPhone's do not store the AES key in RAM. If the key is stored in RAM, then it is feasible to pull the power (battery) from the target device for a split second, dump RAM contents and so recover the key. If the key is burned into silicon and only accessible by the AES engine then this is not possible.
Hello,
I own a pixel xl with the latest nougat android operating system. My question is , is fully encrypted? if falls in wrong hands, like business competitors, authorities, or any one who can have high tech computers and software they can unlock it? unlocking it I mean to find our my password and open it and then have access to all data and photos.
please help
nikelecy said:
Hello,
I own a pixel xl with the latest nougat android operating system. My question is , is fully encrypted? if falls in wrong hands, like business competitors, authorities, or any one who can have high tech computers and software they can unlock it? unlocking it I mean to find our my password and open it and then have access to all data and photos.
please help
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If the phone is locked like with pin code and stuff like that, anyone can pass that by using a custom Recovery to delete some stuff from system or he can do it using adb.
If you mean an encrypted storage, then it would be hard, but like you said "high tech computers and softwares" they will possibly be able to do it.
And hackers these days don't need to have the phone to hack it, they are capable of hacking remotely!!
But don't worry, it's nothing to be worry about because the chance of this happening to you is too low, they probably target very high business men and political characters and people like that
anyway, i don't recommend keeping your sensitive information in the phone(bank accounts, IDs...), it's so dangerous like that.
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If the phone is locked like with pin code and stuff like that, anyone can pass that by using a custom Recovery to delete some stuff from system or he can do it using adb.
If you mean an encrypted storage, then it would be hard, but like you said "high tech computers and softwares" they will possibly be able to do it.
And hackers these days don't need to have the phone to hack it, they are capable of hacking remotely!!
But don't worry, it's nothing to be worry about because the chance of this happening to you is too low, they probably target very high business men and political characters and people like that
anyway, i don't recommend keeping your sensitive information in the phone(bank accounts, IDs...), it's so dangerous like that.
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I have bank accounts , and cards and customer file lists etc...and many other things personally. the phone have lock screen and if fully encrypted. I have a password over 10 characters. high tech software and computers what is it ? what kind of computer?
now about hackers. lets say a competitor wants to know what kind of customers/ I have on my phone. he can hack it remotely and see?
I have an app blocking all permissions from all installed apps. how he can hack it? also I dont download games, or files on the laptop or pirated movies etc
nikelecy said:
I have bank accounts , and cards and customer file lists etc...and many other things personally. the phone have lock screen and if fully encrypted. I have a password over 10 characters. high tech software and computers what is it ? what kind of computer?
now about hackers. lets say a competitor wants to know what kind of customers/ I have on my phone. he can hack it remotely and see?
I have an app blocking all permissions from all installed apps. how he can hack it? also I dont download games, or files on the laptop or pirated movies etc
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About computers, i have no idea, but anyway, to hack remotely, it requires an infected file to get inside the phone, so you have to be safe, that infected file might simply capture the screen and show them what you're typing in the password field.
BUT as long as you don't download anything from anywhere you're safe.
Apps and games should be trusted and only be downloaded from play store.
If you're using a laptop, you should switch to Linux OS immediately, it's much much safer than Windows, especially these days ransom-ware's hackers encrypted many PCs and asked for money to get the encryption code.
Happened to people i know, but never happened to someone with Linux operating system.
MigoMujahid said:
About computers, i have no idea, but anyway, to hack remotely, it requires an infected file to get inside the phone, so you have to be safe, that infected file might simply capture the screen and show them what you're typing in the password field.
BUT as long as you don't download anything from anywhere you're safe.
Apps and games should be trusted and only be downloaded from play store.
If you're using a laptop, you should switch to Linux OS immediately, it's much much safer than Windows, especially these days ransom-ware's hackers encrypted many PCs and asked for money to get the encryption code.
Happened to people i know, but never happened to someone with Linux operating system.
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a person who hack phones told me that most android phones can be hacked easy and open them without erase the data. he told me that the icloud is impossible.
i will take the pixel to see if he can hack it. which I doubt.
one more question, if I buy a cheaper version phone and update to android nougat will be the same safe like pixel xl or not?
my computer is mac. i was sondering to switch to chromebook to tell you honest but I must confirm if can be hacked or not the chromebook
nikelecy said:
my computer is mac. i was sondering to switch to chromebook to tell you honest but I must confirm if can be hacked or not the chromebook
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MAC is great as well.
About the Nogut upgrade, I'm not sure that is only about the OS, native OS might be less secure than the company's OS, even if both OSs are Nogut, the Company add modifications and security to its OS that make it more secure.
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MAC is great as well.
About the Nogut upgrade, I'm not sure that is only about the OS, native OS might be less secure than the company's OS, even if both OSs are Nogut, the Company add modifications and security to its OS that make it more secure.
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ok, buy you didn't answer me about the cheaper option of the android phone. lets say I want to give a phone to one of my manager with credit card info, clients etc, and doesnt have the preinstalled android nougat on it. this will be the same safe like the pixel? because to this employee I don't want to buy him pixel to handle the works tasks because i did it before with an iphone and she lost it.
nikelecy said:
ok, buy you didn't answer me about the cheaper option of the android phone. lets say I want to give a phone to one of my manager with credit card info, clients etc, and doesnt have the preinstalled android nougat on it. this will be the same safe like the pixel? because to this employee I don't want to buy him pixel to handle the works tasks because i did it before with an iphone and she lost it.
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No I did answer ?
About the Nogut upgrade, I'm not sure that is only about the OS, native OS might be less secure than the company's OS, even if both OSs are Nogut, the Company add modifications and security to its OS that make it more secure.
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