Open letter to Sony - Sony Xperia Z Ultra

I'm sorry to get off topic of the google play edition and all the greta things it's going to bring but you know what, **** you, Sony, where the hell is my flash??? This device is meant to be carried around, it's obviously meant to replace you're current phone as it is a phone, it's not a cheap device, costing as much (or more than at launch) as other high end phones and even cheaper ones don't skimp here. Where's the ****ing flash??
All of you who are about to give me **** about how great the sensor is, shut the hell up, you need a flash indoors. pictures look like **** if it's not well lit, and many, many, many people use it as flashlights and now it's a major inconvenience. Why did they do this??? How much did they save by not putting on a flash?? I don't love the battery life but I get it, they were keeping it as thin and light as possible for such a large phone, I would have preferred a little thicker with a decent battery but it's fine. could they really not fit a tiny little led light in there???
I'm sorry for being like this but i just saw an xperia z and z1 and it just pissed me off. Yes, I knew what I was getting when i got the phone, and it is a great phone but every time i take a picture indoors or need a flashlight the thought "**** you Sony" pops into my head.

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mottyengel said:
I'm sorry to get off topic of the google play edition and all the greta things it's going to bring but you know what, **** you, Sony, where the hell is my flash??? This device is meant to be carried around, it's obviously meant to replace you're current phone as it is a phone, it's not a cheap device, costing as much (or more than at launch) as other high end phones and even cheaper ones don't skimp here. Where's the ****ing flash??
All of you who are about to give me **** about how great the sensor is, shut the hell up, you need a flash indoors. pictures look like **** if it's not well lit, and many, many, many people use it as flashlights and now it's a major inconvenience. Why did they do this??? How much did they save by not putting on a flash?? I don't love the battery life but I get it, they were keeping it as thin and light as possible for such a large phone, I would have preferred a little thicker with a decent battery but it's fine. could they really not fit a tiny little led light in there???
I'm sorry for being like this but i just saw an xperia z and z1 and it just pissed me off. Yes, I knew what I was getting when i got the phone, and it is a great phone but every time i take a picture indoors or need a flashlight the thought "**** you Sony" pops into my head.
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I'm sorry to say that most of us knew what we where buying. I knew the camera would be crap. What you are doing is complaining that you bought a Ferrari that was to low for your height and without a cupholder...
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Reb0rn said:
I'm sorry to say that most of us knew what we where buying. I knew the camera would be crap. What you are doing is complaining that you bought a Ferrari that was to low for your height and without a cupholder...
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No, it's like complaining that i bought a ferrari without an audio system. It's not absolutely integral and I knew what I was getting, Doesn't stop me from being pissed of at them for leaving out something very important for no reason.

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The flash nor the battery life doesn't bother me. What bothers me is it broke in less than a month.

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I'll let you in on something; the last thread about this topic didn't end well.
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IAmBrock said:
The flash nor the battery life doesn't bother me. What bothers me is it broke in less than a mouth.
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Broke in less than a mouth? Holy cow, how are your teeth? :laugh:

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i'm looking into buying this device and truly i have been absolutely baffled at how a company on a phone with better specs than everyone else included a screen protector on every phone and didn't even build in camera flash?
the screen protector bothers me more than anything that if i buy it i'm going to drive myself insane trying to take it off and cleaning it perfectly?! thats ****ing ridiculous.

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A/ I'm not sure Sony peruse these forums for open letters to them :silly:
B/ Only the "buyer" is at fault for their purchase decisions :silly:
C/ It's good to vent your frustrations sometimes, even if you've caused them yourself :thumbup:
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LordManhattan said:
I'll let you in on something; the last thread about this topic didn't end well.
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Broke in less than a mouth? Holy cow, how are your teeth? :laugh:
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What do you mean? Oh yeah post was edited. Thanks.

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I wish it had a flash and I wish in general that the camera was better. But like others have said I knew what I was buying so I don't regret the decision.

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Camera sucks. Worse camera I have seen in my life. It is so bad I don't even know why Sony added the camera to begin with. However every review and every article I read said the camera is utter Crap so I knew what I was buying. If camera was key for me I would avoid this phone like the plague but having a bigger screen is more critical for me
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Outside pics are pretty good to me, so is battery life. No flash sucks but hey, who the f*ck cares? Everything else about this phone is so bad a$$ it's worth it without question.
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Wow.... Whats with all the hate??
Guys, I'm not saying that I wouldn't have bought it, this thing is a beast! I love it, AND I KNEW WHAT I WAS GETTING. I'm just mad that Sony would jip everyone like this. They made a beast of a phone, with a hefty price tag, what in god's name possessed them to leave out a flash???

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mottyengel said:
Wow.... Whats with all the hate??
Guys, I'm not saying that I wouldn't have bought it, this thing is a beast! I love it, AND I KNEW WHAT I WAS GETTING. I'm just mad that Sony would jip everyone like this. They made a beast of a phone, with a hefty price tag, what in god's name possessed them to leave out a flash???
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LOL, I don't hate. It is a little weird. My logic is that they did it on purpose to weed out all the non die hards. Lol.
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mottyengel said:
Wow.... Whats with all the hate??
Guys, I'm not saying that I wouldn't have bought it, this thing is a beast! I love it, AND I KNEW WHAT I WAS GETTING. I'm just mad that Sony would jip everyone like this. They made a beast of a phone, with a hefty price tag, what in god's name possessed them to leave out a flash???
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Sony is quite good at shooting itself in the foot.
Take the Z1, for example. One of the biggest sensors in a smartphone camera and they release it with unpolished camera software. Pics are nowhere as good as they're supposed to be! :-\ (And yes, I speak from experience)
Sent from my Xperia Z Ultra using Tapatalk

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I wish it had a flash and I wish in general that the camera was better. But like others have said I knew what I was buying so I don't regret the decision.
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No regrets.... As I got mine for free...
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mottyengel said:
Wow.... Whats with all the hate??
Guys, I'm not saying that I wouldn't have bought it, this thing is a beast! I love it, AND I KNEW WHAT I WAS GETTING. I'm just mad that Sony would jip everyone like this. They made a beast of a phone, with a hefty price tag, what in god's name possessed them to leave out a flash???
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Yeah you don't have to say 'F**k Sony' if you have known about the device you've bought. It was your decision anyway to go here, so accept it as it is. If you receive it unexpectedly (like screen cracking with no reason) then please do an open letter. But in this case No point for complaining right now.
We all know that the camera sucks, but it's not that bad, it's decent for casual usage. No flash bugs me also but not that important, i can lit up the screen with Chrome white page and use it at night to lighten up the room.

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you didn't know what you were buying? isn't that your fault?
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Reb0rn said:
I'm sorry to say that most of us knew what we where buying. I knew the camera would be crap. What you are doing is complaining that you bought a Ferrari that was to low for your height and without a cupholder...
Sent from my Xperia Z Ultra using Tapatalk 4
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very true
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mottyengel said:
No, it's like complaining that i bought a ferrari without an audio system. It's not absolutely integral and I knew what I was getting, Doesn't stop me from being pissed of at them for leaving out something very important for no reason.
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but you should have thought if that 'audio system missing in Ferrari' is your top priority. if it was, you wouldnt have bought the ferrari in the first place... sorry, it all boils down to this... you should have known what you were getting into....
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IAmBrock said:
The flash nor the battery life doesn't bother me. What bothers me is it broke in less than a month.
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what did you do with it,,,?? threw it under a road roller???
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mottyengel said:
No, it's like complaining that i bought a ferrari without an audio system. It's not absolutely integral and I knew what I was getting, Doesn't stop me from being pissed of at them for leaving out something very important for no reason.
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it is your mistake, as what you are complaining is about a hardware compaonent, which has no solution.. if it was software, there would have been a solution
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iBuzman said:
A/ I'm not sure Sony peruse these forums for open letters to them :silly:
B/ Only the "buyer" is at fault for their purchase decisions :silly:
C/ It's good to vent your frustrations sometimes, even if you've caused them yourself :thumbup:
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true
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vinurohitraj said:
you didn't know what you were buying? isn't that your fault?
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very true
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but you should have thought if that 'audio system missing in Ferrari' is your top priority. if it was, you wouldnt have bought the ferrari in the first place... sorry, it all boils down to this... you should have known what you were getting into....
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what did you do with it,,,?? threw it under a road roller???
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it is your mistake, as what you are complaining is about a hardware compaonent, which has no solution.. if it was software, there would have been a solution
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true
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very true
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baileyjr said:
I wish it had a flash and I wish in general that the camera was better. But like others have said I knew what I was buying so I don't regret the decision.
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thats more like it

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Reb0rn said:
I'm sorry to say that most of us knew what we where buying. I knew the camera would be crap. What you are doing is complaining that you bought a Ferrari that was to low for your height and without a cupholder...
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LOL... yeah pretty much right.
The Ultra doesn't need a flash. seriously! Every image i have taken with a phone (even the Z1 and Nokia 41MP device) hasn't performed well at night using a flash. They just don't work well. I've never kept an image that ive taken using a flash. Even on my DSLR's..
So I'm fine without a flash.
Yes the 8MP camera should have been better, but it isnt. So hey.. all we can do is buy the QX10 and make a case that works...
Will the next alliteration of the Ultra have a better camera... god I hope so...

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hamdogg said:
Will the next alliteration of the Ultra have a better camera... god I hope so...
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My sentiments as well... I sometime see something that I would like to snap and then think why bother its going to come out crap lol
Having said that I find the video recording quality pretty good outdoors in natural light.

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warfareonly said:
Sony is quite good at shooting itself in the foot.
Take the Z1, for example. One of the biggest sensors in a smartphone camera and they release it with unpolished camera software. Pics are nowhere as good as they're supposed to be! :-\ (And yes, I speak from experience)
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agree with that, I was expecting awesomeness... but it was about the same visual difference as my old S4. dissapointing.
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baileyjr said:
My sentiments as well... I sometime see something that I would like to snap and then think why bother its going to come out crap lol
Having said that I find the video recording quality pretty good outdoors in natural light.
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yep agree. video recording looks fine. infact I like the colour reproduction. sound could be better, however for a waterproof unit, thats not going to happen... so I'm fine with that.