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Came from a friend on another forum:
The bootloader will be unlocked, it's just a matter of when; we're trying to get it ready to release and hope to have this soon. Our official announcements, since this is a priority situation, will go directly to our social media outlets when they're ready (like the previous announcements). You'll hear about it when I do. I do hope that it is soon for you.
Sincerely,
Philip
HTC
The person who sent the email responded asking why other people were getting vague emails that gave no certain answer on the future of the 3vos bootloader.
This is the return reply:
The bootloader will be unlocked, it's just a matter of when; we're trying to get it ready to release and hope to have this soon. Our official announcements, since this is a priority situation, will go directly to our social media outlets when they're ready (like the previous announcements). You'll hear about it when I do. I do hope that it is soon for you.
Sincerely,
Philip
HTC
That along with the evidence that the sensation is soon to be unlocked.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/htc-confirms-sensation-bootloader-unlocking-coming-soon/
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That along with the evidence that the sensation is soon to be unlocked.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/htc-confirms-sensation-bootloader-unlocking-coming-soon/
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I don't see any evidence that their definition of soon matches with my definition of soon...it is a relative term, after all.
I'm going err on the side of caution, unfortunately. They have 2 weeks.
Regardless of time frame, we are all at the mercy of HTC sadly enough
The date on that link is June 17.
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stop with these threads i dont see any new information here.
if its that big of a deal return the phone so the people who are gonna keep it dont have to see these dumb threads.
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The date on that link is June 17.
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I realize when the date is.
Everyone is rather impatient here. I understand it, but It is not like a company can output a perfect unlocked everything for a phone overnight without bricking a large number of them. It takes time.
I apologize for the repeat thread. Half these threads present have people up in arms and intending to return the phone. So I posted a new thread in hopes of lighting up the mood.
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I realize when the date is.
Everyone is rather impatient here. I understand it, but It is not like a company can output a perfect unlocked everything for a phone overnight without bricking a large number of them. It takes time.
I apologize for the repeat thread. Half these threads present have people up in arms and intending to return the phone. So I posted a new thread in hopes of lighting up the mood.
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I would imagine it has more to do with appeasing partners (read: Sprint) than it has to do with technical hurdles...though I'm sure there is still a redundantly redundant amount of testing involved. Most of it is probably policy and politics than anything else.
omgtheybetterfixitinthenexttwelvesecondsorimsogoingtoreturnthisphonegoddamn
They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
JasonM79 said:
They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
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i agree make it so the person knows what they are doing
I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
JasonM79 said:
They just need a way to do it.... How about PC only unlock ...not ota. That will help sort out the tards that can brick to those who want to tinker.
enjoying my EVO 3D. But root would be nice.
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Thats not how they are going to do it simple as that. I asked given xHausx suggested they just post up a firmware.zip on their site for those that wish to flash and get the ENG bootloader flashed and achieve s-off. Their response was that "...that is not the way they choose to fix the problem, and they will do so with a OTA software update.."
end of story is that it WILL get done, but there is no ETA as they NEVER provide ETA's specifically. And they do this b/c there is no telling what problems might arrise while developing the fix. If they said 2weeks and ran into an issue and got delayed then there would be another uproar tossed at them.
Also why when they say they are releasing a new OS update they usually say by the end of X qtr. so they have a TON of leway.
Irishman42 said:
I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
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If teamwin does it great. However I would be very surprised if there weren't strings attached to HTC's solution and no thanks to that. If the SGS2 would be announced for a pre-September release date the 3D is going back.
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Thats not how they are going to do it simple as that. I asked given xHausx suggested they just post up a firmware.zip on their site for those that wish to flash and get the ENG bootloader flashed and achieve s-off. Their response was that "...that is not the way they choose to fix the problem, and they will do so with a OTA software update.."
end of story is that it WILL get done, but there is no ETA as they NEVER provide ETA's specifically. And they do this b/c there is no telling what problems might arrise while developing the fix. If they said 2weeks and ran into an issue and got delayed then there would be another uproar tossed at them.
Also why when they say they are releasing a new OS update they usually say by the end of X qtr. so they have a TON of leway.
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he probably knows that he was just saying it might be better if they did it that way.
Irishman42 said:
I don't get the whole I'm taking my phone back in 2 weeks, if HTC doesn't have it unlocked. It's going to happen to the phone. Whether it's through HTC or teamwin or someone else, its going to happen. Be patient, these guys will come through for us.
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Well, in if that happens in 2 months from now you and the 3 remaining devs will have a blast I'm sure. This technology moves way too fast for delays like this. The first 30 days is a given, return period, time to root, etc...but this time we are up against heavy duty security for heavy duty securities sake.
While I do exaggerate a bit my point remains. We don't have time to wait as much as you think we do...developers want to develop, and when they put a commitment into a device, well, not being able to develop a god damned thing for that device is kinda a turn off. Few of our best ROM developers are also the low-level guys doing the heavy lifting and intense probing and testing required to attain root/s-off...there is an overlap, yes, but most of these guys just want to make a rom or work on a kernel, and that is to say nothing of the theme guys who operate as creative talent before technical talent...
This is an elaborate ecosystem of skills and talents here. If you happened to be one of us lucky ones in the EVO4G community from the beginning you should know that it was a bunch of coincidence and a pre-release root (and the happenstance of Sprint getting its first kickass superphone--now a regular event)...so don't expect that magic to sit around waiting for this phone to be opened up.
I'm not saying it can't happen, but that there were a lot of factors that went into it happening last time--just having a decent phone and a forum weren't what made it happen.
Let me start by saying yes, I am dying to have root myself. I miss cm7, wireless tether, even stock themes, tb, and a whole list of things (my ORD is definitely flaring).
Now let me go on to my real point. All you "omg they have two weeks" people... Is the phone really that unusable as it is? My old hero, I couldn't live without root for overclocking. My shift originally ticked me off with crappy old sense, and then I didn't understand why they didn't make the new update sense 3.0. This phone, at least for now, is up to date, and blazing fast. Root is not a deal breaker on this phone for me like my past phones. And I hack everything... Wii, cr48, router... But I don't find it completely neutering on this phone like other devices
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Let me start by saying yes, I am dying to have root myself. I miss cm7, wireless tether, even stock themes, tb, and a whole list of things (my ORD is definitely flaring).
Now let me go on to my real point. All you "omg they have two weeks" people... Is the phone really that unusable as it is? My old hero, I couldn't live without root for overclocking. My shift originally ticked me off with crappy old sense, and then I didn't understand why they didn't make the new update sense 3.0. This phone, at least for now, is up to date, and blazing fast. Root is not a deal breaker on this phone for me like my past phones. And I hack everything... Wii, cr48, router... But I don't find it completely neutering on this phone like other devices
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It's a very capable phone, I agree. But it has far more potential than it has capability...and I didn't buy this phone to only be as capable as the phone it was replacing (a heavily modded EVO4G) with the only difference that I can actually see is a resolution difference.
Sure, we knew it would come locked. I knew I'd have this decision to make. It's a very capable phone. But it is also capable of so much more...that's what I want out of it. My 4G was doing everything at least as fast and with at least as good battery life with far more flexibility...
...the only reason I am so impatient is for the reason I posted above. If it doesn't happen relatively quickly the spark will fade rapidly. I feel very comfortable in the 30-day window. But as the 30 day window closes I am not going to be the only one who sizes up this situation and has to make a decision...more important than me and you and all of the other users there are the developers. The ones who provide the value-adding goodies that we love so much...without them we just have a phone like a million other phones, excuse me, that takes 3D pictures and/or Video...the only differentiating feature really....sure, HTC didn't sell a device that was intended to do the things I want to do with it--but it could...until they made it so it couldn't specifically...artificially...
You might not get it...if that's the case, congrats, this is the phone for you. No regrets. Rock on. But for me and what I would imagine are the majority of others here that is a deal breaker.....
@daneurysm: very, very well stated. I'm with you 100%
my email exchanges...
I have purchased your mogul,evo,and now evo3d. I would like to say that I love the evo3d, its an amazing device. But, if the bootloader isnt unlocked or rooted by the time my 30 days is up, I will be returning it. I feel as though I own the device, and used my hard earned money to buy it, and like a computer I should have access to it. I understand the consumer doesn't matter at all in todays corporate run world, but this is my stance, as is many others. I bought it, I own it, it is no longer yours or sprints as I'm not leasing it, I own it, its mine. Thanks, maybe.
their reply.
I certainly understand that you're looking for the bootloader of the EVO 3D to be unlocked. This is indeed something that we're working on, true to our word. We don't have a date set yet for when the update to do so will be available, but as this is a high priority situation when there is news on the subject it will be posted to our social media outlets, like our Facebook and our Twitter just as the previous announcement was. I hope that it is soon.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number
Sincerely,
Philip
Hey guys, I currently have the Epic 4G Touch with Sprint but there is a good chance that I might jump ship and come over to AT&T. If I do, the GS2 would most likely be the phone I will get. It's gonna be tough working with such a tiny screen (lol!) but I'm sure I'll get used to it. Don't want the Skyrocket because it doesn't have an Exynos in it and the HSPA+ should be plenty fast for my needs.
Anyway, all Android phones come with their fair share of problems out of the box, what am I going to have to deal with if I get the SGS2? Any radio issues? Battery problems? Screen problems? How does AT&T handle tethering? I heard about them catching people and changing them to a hotspot plan, is that true? Also, does AT&T still block app sideloading?
I plan on rooting but remaining on the stock ROM, assuming it's as good as the Epic Touch's stock ROM. Just gonna debloat the crap out of it and use Autostarts to keep everything under control. Should I go ahead and assume that rooting it is fairly easy?
Also, how is AT&Ts customer service to work with? I have been with Sprint for many years and have gotten manipulating them down to a science. I always get the latest and greatest phones, and never have to pay more than the subsidized price. I'm kinda nervous about switching because I'm worried I won't be able to pull that crap with AT&T.
Thanks in advance for your responses.
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Hey guys, I currently have the Epic 4G Touch with Sprint but there is a good chance that I might jump ship and come over to AT&T. If I do, the GS2 would most likely be the phone I will get. It's gonna be tough working with such a tiny screen (lol!) but I'm sure I'll get used to it. Don't want the Skyrocket because it doesn't have an Exynos in it and the HSPA+ should be plenty fast for my needs.
Anyway, all Android phones come with their fair share of problems out of the box, what am I going to have to deal with if I get the SGS2? Any radio issues? Battery problems? Screen problems? How does AT&T handle tethering? I heard about them catching people and changing them to a hotspot plan, is that true? Also, does AT&T still block app sideloading?
I plan on rooting but remaining on the stock ROM, assuming it's as good as the Epic Touch's stock ROM. Just gonna debloat the crap out of it and use Autostarts to keep everything under control. Should I go ahead and assume that rooting it is fairly easy?
Also, how is AT&Ts customer service to work with? I have been with Sprint for many years and have gotten manipulating them down to a science. I always get the latest and greatest phones, and never have to pay more than the subsidized price. I'm kinda nervous about switching because I'm worried I won't be able to pull that crap with AT&T.
Thanks in advance for your responses.
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We have several threads all new and recently posted in that will answer your questions.
AT&T customer service.
Good threads to read so as not to get problems. 1, 2, 3, 4.
The FAQ in General is always a good place to start reading rather than posting.
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The FAQ in General is always a good place to start reading rather than posting.
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Trust me, I've already read through a whole bunch of crap. I am just looking for some personal experiences here without having to read through page after page of meaningless drivel just to find a few simple answers.
only downside i can think of is if you drop it from the 10th floor the screen will crack... and it doesnt seem to work well in the pool.
It is a great device, only complaint i have is the non HD screen. If you are coming from a phone with high res like a iphone you will notice. If you arent coming from a high res phone you will never notice
You might have more issues with AT&T than the phone. Overall its a great phone with lots of dev support. there's a reason why AT&T is always at the bottom of the Lissy when out comes to customer services.
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Most of the issues can be found by searching.
Hardware issues: Some people have had issues with the USB port breaking. Not common, but it seems that 90% of hardware failures are this.
The AP Mobile widget in UCKH7 will eat your data. If you're here I assume you'll be rooting - so not a problem for you. Kill it with fire and you're good.
The OTA update (UCKK6) sucks infected donkey balls. Lots of battery issues. Again - easy to avoid if you're here.
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Trust me, I've already read through a whole bunch of crap. I am just looking for some personal experiences here without having to read through page after page of meaningless drivel just to find a few simple answers.
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Well, this forum is real big on self-service and not rewarding people for being too lazy to do their own research. Just sayin'.
Love the sgs2
Would buy the international version for more support than att
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_MetalHead_ said:
Hey guys, I currently have the Epic 4G Touch with Sprint but there is a good chance that I might jump ship and come over to AT&T. If I do, the GS2 would most likely be the phone I will get. It's gonna be tough working with such a tiny screen (lol!) but I'm sure I'll get used to it. Don't want the Skyrocket because it doesn't have an Exynos in it and the HSPA+ should be plenty fast for my needs.
Anyway, all Android phones come with their fair share of problems out of the box, what am I going to have to deal with if I get the SGS2? Any radio issues? Battery problems? Screen problems? How does AT&T handle tethering? I heard about them catching people and changing them to a hotspot plan, is that true? Also, does AT&T still block app sideloading?
I plan on rooting but remaining on the stock ROM, assuming it's as good as the Epic Touch's stock ROM. Just gonna debloat the crap out of it and use Autostarts to keep everything under control. Should I go ahead and assume that rooting it is fairly easy?
Also, how is AT&Ts customer service to work with? I have been with Sprint for many years and have gotten manipulating them down to a science. I always get the latest and greatest phones, and never have to pay more than the subsidized price. I'm kinda nervous about switching because I'm worried I won't be able to pull that crap with AT&T.
Thanks in advance for your responses.
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You wouldn't happen to be a member of the facebook page "android task force" would you? That profile picture looks really familiar
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Nick281051 said:
You wouldn't happen to be a member of the facebook page "android task force" would you? That profile picture looks really familiar
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Ha! I post there from time to time! I was one of the Android Source admins before it merged with Android Task Force. Haven't used this profile pic on FB for a while now so you've got some good memory.
Hardware = USB problems with the connection port. Blotchy screen on dark blacks in a dark room. Not noticeable until then. It's a side-effect of SAMOLED screens. Burn-in most I can figure. These two problems are fairly rare (on this forum, I'd say 1 out of maybe 15 people complain of one or the other hardware issues).
Software: let's face it - 2.3.6 sucks. The update broke bluetooth HID devices, meaning no bluetooth keyboard or mouse. Occasional reports of wifi breaking, but that's due to the retards who never read and flash willy nilly from our sister forum and phone, the international GS2 without using the development tool Hellraiser. So, be educated man. If you don't read, you will end up ****ing your phone over, and then if you whine about it (which inevitably happens every time someone who doesn't read screws their phone up), prepare to be flamed. At that point you piss everyone who's seen your same thread or situation a hundred times from people who didn't search and read.
There are reports of battery drain issues due to 2.3.6 as well. Some of these are from programs, but if you're an Android user already, you know to kill and save RAM. I've had occasional reboots from when I pushed my phone hard, but nothing of diminishing value.
AT&T Service: Customer service sucks, so I hear. But they've always worked with me. I got them to unlock multiple phones in the past, I was grandfathered in to unlimited, and they've let me skirt waiting periods on my next update. I suppose if you're a new customer it might be different. I wouldn't know. Their service as far as phone calls and data? It ain't the best. To be honest, I don't get many dropped calls per week, but I know I get enough to remember that I get dropped calls weekly. Data can be spotty at times, but overall, in Orlando, it's fast.
My Review: moving from any other phone to this one is like being born again. You believe in technology again. Alright, so it ain't that much of a spiritual experience, but lemme tell you - this phone is fast. Yet, if you want the latest and greatest from Android, specifically 4.0.3, I'd pass on this phone. We will probably get it. Maybe. Our devs will work to make it happen, but sadly I doubt it will be an official update.
If you want solid hardware and a reliable phone however and don't mind gingerbread, this is the phone for you. It is fast, well-built, and has good battery life from my experience. I use it heavily for everything, and i get nearly 14-18 hours of heavy use (phone calls, texts, music, videos, downloads, web-surfing).
4.5 out of 5 stars for this phone from me.
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Thanks for taking the time to type all that out autonomous, thats the type of response I was looking for. I am coming from Sprint's SGS2 variant so I'm well aware of how badass these phones are. I could care less about ICS, I had the Galaxy Nexus for a few weeks and returned it because I like the SGS2 + 2.3 + TouchWiz better. I'm probably gonna go to Costco over the weekend and pick it up to try it out and see how AT&Ts service in my are is.
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Thanks for taking the time to type all that out autonomous, thats the type of response I was looking for. I am coming from Sprint's SGS2 variant so I'm well aware of how badass these phones are. I could care less about ICS, I had the Galaxy Nexus for a few weeks and returned it because I like the SGS2 + 2.3 + TouchWiz better. I'm probably gonna go to Costco over the weekend and pick it up to try it out and see how AT&Ts service in my are is.
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Sprint and AT&T are in the same family with their Exynos chipset, which I'm sure you're aware of. The difference is that we are closer in relation to international. No WiMax chipset in ours, so easier porting.
AT&T is a fairly good provider. Service is decent, even out in the country, but it doesn't make you say "Man, Ma Bell is great about their connectivity everywhere."
While I told you we probably won't get an official Ice Cream update we WILL get one in one shape or form. 2.3.6 problems can be avoided by Hellraising a 2.3.4, 2.3.7 or 2.3.5 ROM. So if you want to avoid battery drain issues and use your bluetooth keyboard or mouse, you have your choices.
Bottom line brother, is with this phone you have options. We have devs, and tools that give you many options. If you're asking me if you should make the jump, I'd have to ask why, because WiMax with Exynos seems like a good setup, but if it's for a sensible reason, you could do worse than Ma Bell. If it's assurance you want, yes, this is and will be a good phone for quite a while. Yes, AT&T is decent, and yes, you will be fairly satisfied.
As a disclaimer, every experience is different, so I suggest you either look around this forum and make your mind that way, or bite the bullet and don't look back by moving to AT&T blindly, and go for the shortest contract you can.
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My first I777 overheated while charging. And now my second one has a buzzing in the earpiece. Good specs and I love the TouchWiz UI. Maybe Im just unlucky but it seems the hardware in this phone has issues.
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Ha! I post there from time to time! I was one of the Android Source admins before it merged with Android Task Force. Haven't used this profile pic on FB for a while now so you've got some good memory.
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Lol yeah brad right? Had the evolution, then the 3d which I know you hated
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While I told you we probably won't get an official Ice Cream update we WILL get one in one shape or form. 2.3.6 problems can be avoided by Hellraising a 2.3.4, 2.3.7 or 2.3.5 ROM. So if you want to avoid battery drain issues and use your bluetooth keyboard or mouse, you have your choices.
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Incorrect, it has nothing to do with 2.3.6, there's no 2.3.7 Samsung roms either. It's at&t's UCKK6 build, international 2.3.6 roms aren't plagued by the issues
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Incorrect, it has nothing to do with 2.3.6, there's no 2.3.7 Samsung roms either. It's at&t's UCKK6 build, international 2.3.6 roms aren't plagued by the issues
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I've heard it both ways.
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I've heard it both ways.
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Well whoever told you it was 2.3.6 was incorrect, I'm running ICScrewD which is based on KL1(2.3.6) and there are no issues with it at all
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Lol yeah brad right? Had the evolution, then the 3d which I know you hated
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Damn, my secret online identity has been blown lol
Nick281051 said:
Well whoever told you it was 2.3.6 was incorrect, I'm running ICScrewD which is based on KL1(2.3.6) and there are no issues with it at all
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Yeah, I'm running 2.3.6 on my Epic Touch and it;s beautiful. Battery lasts forever, no glitches or bugs. Must be the specific AT&T build.
You guys get samfirmware leaks all the time like we do?
Doubt it'll work anyway, but it was worth a shot. If you have a second to sign it, and feel it may be worth it in any way. I just want what everyone else has on their Note 2, and feel I shouldn't have to root my phone just to get some stock features. Ridiculous.
Or you could enable unknown sources and download the .apk and install it that way.
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SPlanner Widget missing is probably a bug. It is on the phone but broken.
Blocking Mode doesn't seem to work with CDMA, which is probably why its blocked by CSC.
APN editing is blocked via CSC but could be unlocked by Verizon if someone didn't want to root.
The wifi thing isn't a missing feature, but its definitely an annoyance.
What else are you referring to?
adrynalyne said:
SPlanner Widget missing is probably a bug. It is on the phone but broken.
Blocking Mode doesn't seem to work with CDMA, which is probably why its blocked by CSC.
APN editing is blocked via CSC but could be unlocked by Verizon if someone didn't want to root.
The wifi thing isn't a missing feature, but its definitely an annoyance.
What else are you referring to?
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Is Blocking Mode available and functioning on the Sprint version? I haven't looked on their forums at all since I got the phone.
I don't know.
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Then on what basis are you making the claim of it being a CDMA issue? I just made a thread in the Sprint forums asking users to report their experience with Blocking Mode, or if they even have the ability to use it stock out of the box. We'll see if it really is a CDMA issue or not.
This thread is a bomb ready to explode.
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This thread is a bomb ready to explode.
Sent from my rooted, and unlocked Vzw note 2 running beans Rom! U mad?
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Yes it is.
DaRkL3AD3R said:
Then on what basis are you making the claim of it being a CDMA issue? I just made a thread in the Sprint forums asking users to report their experience with Blocking Mode, or if they even have the ability to use it stock out of the box. We'll see if it really is a CDMA issue or not.
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It is a theory? Ever heard of them? It doesnt work for vzw jb gs3 users either from what I read..
I probably should have said Verizon's network instead of just cdma. I always forget about Sprint.
It seems to be network related because the software is mostly the same between variants.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35860956#post35860956
Well there goes that.
So either Verizon's network has problems or they're being jerks and purposely butchered it so it wouldn't work.
DaRkL3AD3R said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35860956#post35860956
Well there goes that.
So either Verizon's network has problems or they're being jerks and purposely butchered it so it wouldn't work.
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Yeah I dunno.
Leaning towards network still myself.
Been working on it for a while.
There is a second blocking mode as well that doesn't entirely work either.
shill1986 said:
Doubt it'll work anyway, but it was worth a shot. If you have a second to sign it, and feel it may be worth it in any way. I just want what everyone else has on their Note 2, and feel I shouldn't have to root my phone just to get some stock features. Ridiculous.
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I see you're complaining but you didn't state the reason why you are petitioning for. Can you be more specific?
Petition
I'm going to attempt to try and post a link, the best I can. I just want the features that should be included on the phone, without rooting it. I do plan on rooting the phone, however as the workaround for the bootloader has only just been accomplished recently, and a lot of the stylus features have yet to be worked into most of the ROMs, that I've seen anyway, I'm holding off until something special perks my interest.
In general, I'm just against Verizon butchering the phone, and needlessly at that. I'm not bashing rooting, or saying I don't want to, I'm simply saying I don't want to root the phone to gain access to stock features that should've been included with the phone in the first place. Its just a little backwards from my view.
change.org /petitions/verizon-wireless-give-us-back-the-functionality-we-deserve-on-our-note-2
Yeah that petition is going nowhere.
Heck, TMobile just got Multiwindow in an OTA last week. They didn't even have the function on stock.
Meh.
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shill1986 said:
I'm going to attempt to try and post a link, the best I can. I just want the features that should be included on the phone, without rooting it. I do plan on rooting the phone, however as the workaround for the bootloader has only just been accomplished recently, and a lot of the stylus features have yet to be worked into most of the ROMs, that I've seen anyway, I'm holding off until something special perks my interest.
In general, I'm just against Verizon butchering the phone, and needlessly at that. I'm not bashing rooting, or saying I don't want to, I'm simply saying I don't want to root the phone to gain access to stock features that should've been included with the phone in the first place. Its just a little backwards from my view.
change.org /petitions/verizon-wireless-give-us-back-the-functionality-we-deserve-on-our-note-2
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You could always change carriers. I don't see verizon changing their ways but there are other choices if it bothers you enough to start a petition.
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Who are we ask for features from Companies?
Only thing we can do is, give feedback. Companies don't listen to us for their decision. And definately not Petitions.
Its a good thing that you have started the initiative, and even i have participated, but the thing is, it don't work
I would say if you're that upset about Verizon's lack of features either root it and fix it or go to another carrier.
I guarantee Verizon could care less about some silly petition.
Not speaking about all reps. But most if not all I have encountered dont know
Sh0t. I call them about carrier billing. It is not working for me for some reason. They first want to check my imei/meid to see if my device and line support it. I am put on hold for 5 minutes and they come back stating they cant find a way for me to access these items. I tell them either on back under battery or in about phone under settings. They so OK, then ask me to read it. We proceed to featuers blocked on my line. They say the only thing blocked is the MBBN. I ask if that will block billing and he says I honestly dont know. I then ask him if I need to contact the FCC. He then asks "What is a FCC?" I say really... so then I have to explain to him what that is. Subject never gets resolved. Moral of this story, might not want to look to VZW for certain support info. Anyone else ever encounter a problem like this with VZW support.
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Not speaking about all reps. But most if not all I have encountered dont know
Sh0t. I call them about carrier billing. It is not working for me for some reason. They first want to check my imei/meid to see if my device and line support it. I am put on hold for 5 minutes and they come back stating they cant find a way for me to access these items. I tell them either on back under battery or in about phone under settings. They so OK, then ask me to read it. We proceed to featuers blocked on my line. They say the only thing blocked is the MBBN. I ask if that will block billing and he says I honestly dont know. I then ask him if I need to contact the FCC. He then asks "What is a FCC?" I say really... so then I have to explain to him what that is. Subject never gets resolved. Moral of this story, might not want to look to VZW for certain support info. Anyone else ever encounter a problem like this with VZW support.
Sent from my rooted Verizon Galaxy Note 2. FU Verizon and all tour BS you throw around.
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All the time. In store I had a rep tell me that their verizon intuition had "way better" the specs then the note 2. I loled
I think I would have had a natural reflex and slapped them
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A lot of techie stores are like this. The people working there know sqwak and then like to give people that do know stuff dirty looks. Whenever I'm in a Best Buy with my dad and a rep comes over we tell them we're fine and my dad always makes a joke like "I'm fine with him, he knows everything." The reps just glare me down. Most of them stand next to the info tag and read directly from it to the customer they're helping which is pretty sad.
They give jobs to 20 year olds that still say "axe" instead of "ask," use other slang/ghetto speak, and don't know the difference between two TVs besides one is LG and LCD the other is Sony and LED, but don't accept the 17 year old that goes to a prestigious high school in the area and who's resume shows tech experience.
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A lot of techie stores are like this. The people working there know sqwak and then like to give people that do know stuff dirty looks. Whenever I'm in a Best Buy with my dad and a rep comes over we tell them we're fine and my dad always makes a joke like "I'm fine with him, he knows everything." The reps just glare me down. Most of them stand next to the info tag and read directly from it to the customer they're helping which is pretty sad.
They give jobs to 20 year olds that still say "axe" instead of "ask," use other slang/ghetto speak, and don't know the difference between two TVs besides one is LG and LCD the other is Sony and LED, but don't accept the 17 year old that goes to a prestigious high school in the area and who's resume shows tech experience.
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Any sales experience? Pretty sure 6 months is required. I applied with 1 year of sales and IT experience and said no after they wanted to make me a cashier.
Best Buy is terrible anyway. I ordered the Collector's Edition of Diablo 3 at a store that was closing (found out 3 weeks after I ordered) and got an email that I needed to call them to change the store or ship it to my house. I called them 5 times and opened 2 cases. They couldn't get it changed or shipped to my house because of a glitch it the system. 2 days before the game came out they said they would "send it to the correct department for viewing" and yeah... never got it.
Verizon is terrible about knowing about their phones (in or out of the store). When I bought my Thunderbolt, the first rep said I didn't have a discounted upgrade (literally saw it on her little tablet thing that I did) so I went to the next rep and he didn't know how much internal storage their was. Needless to say, I've ordered online since then.
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A lot of techie stores are like this. The people working there know sqwak and then like to give people that do know stuff dirty looks. Whenever I'm in a Best Buy with my dad and a rep comes over we tell them we're fine and my dad always makes a joke like "I'm fine with him, he knows everything." The reps just glare me down. Most of them stand next to the info tag and read directly from it to the customer they're helping which is pretty sad.
They give jobs to 20 year olds that still say "axe" instead of "ask," use other slang/ghetto speak, and don't know the difference between two TVs besides one is LG and LCD the other is Sony and LED, but don't accept the 17 year old that goes to a prestigious high school in the area and who's resume shows tech experience.
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A friend of mine works at the Target Mobile kiosk; he literally knows crap-all about phones, owns an old smartphone he's never turned on, and whenever I'm there talking to him, I end up telling the customers more about the phones they look at than he does. Which is why I work in a car wash, and he tries to sell people tech he doesn't understand. It's practically a joke by now.
Did you really pull the FCC card because of an account snafu?
That makes you as ridiculous as the rep.
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Did you really pull the FCC card because of an account snafu?
That makes you as ridiculous as the rep.
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That's about what i was thinking.
A lot depends on the customers attitude.
A buddy of my Son's works at BestBuy. He and all his coworkers are great guys.
I stop in there all the time to shoot the breeze with those guys.
As long as you don't go in there with a "know it all" attitude, I find the BB guys are all helpful & a pleasure to talk to.
Some of them are tech geeks & others are not so knowledgeable but they don't pay sh!t so that's understandable.
I have had some great tech B.S. sessions concerning ROMs, locked bootloaders etc with these guys.
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Did you really pull the FCC card because of an account snafu?
That makes you as ridiculous as the rep.
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No kidding.
jmorton10 said:
A lot depends on the customers attitude.
A buddy of my Son's works at BestBuy. He and all his coworkers are great guys.
I stop in there all the time to shoot the breeze with those guys.
As long as you don't go in there with a "know it all" attitude, I find the BB guys are all helpful & a pleasure to talk to.
Some of them are tech geeks & others are not so knowledgeable but they don't pay sh!t so that's understandable.
I have had some great tech B.S. sessions concerning ROMs, locked bootloaders etc with these guys.
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No kidding.
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You are right about attitude as well. When I exchanged my DNA for my Note II, I could have berated and slammed the rep working with me that was telling me that KLP source was online, but instead I just lightly conversed with him and ignored it.
As a result, I was in and out quickly without any troubles.
Be careful how you treat people who are in a position to screw you. He could have easily nixed my unlimited data because I was getting in through a loophole.
About 10 years ago I worked for MS doing tech support. If a customer was a douche to me (or acted like a know it all), the resolution immediately became format and reinstall the OS. If they hung up on me, I put it in the notes and as a senior tech, others listened to me. However, if you were acting decent and respectful, I would fix your OS without reinstalling it and potentially losing data.
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They give jobs to 20 year olds that still say "axe" instead of "ask," use other slang/ghetto speak, and don't know the difference between two TVs besides one is LG and LCD the other is Sony and LED, but don't accept the 17 year old that goes to a prestigious high school in the area and who's resume shows tech experience.
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Technically they are both LCDs, just with different backlighting.
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About 10 years ago I worked for MS doing tech support. If a customer was a douche to me (or acted like a know it all), the resolution immediately became format and reinstall the OS. If they hung up on me, I put it in the notes and as a senior tech, others listened to me. However, if you were acting decent and respectful, I would fix your OS without reinstalling it and potentially losing data.
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LOL, I can relate to that.
A number of years ago I did some tech support for HP Pavilion desktops.
Same thing, if the customer was a douche I would simply tell them the only fix was to run the recovery disc which was the same thing as a format and OS reinstall.
Some of the customers where great however and with them I occasionally spent hours on the phone with them, walking a novice through basic PC troubleshooting etc.
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Technically they are both LCDs, just with different backlighting.
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And they probably wouldn't know that
Lol. Was all part of it. He didnt know anything else. In all reality was a test. No lie did it on purpose
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I work at a store and me and one other guy knows what we're talking about...so yeah you get about a 5 percent chance of the reps knowing anything, but as a guy said before me it's easier to be nice to the rep and probably get what you want than to be a Douche and end up getting nothing and possibly losing something.
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No offense to anyone, but if you know enough to be here at XDA there should be no reason to step foot inside a store or call tech support. I buy all my gear online and If I call tech its because I already know it's gonna be a warranty replacement. I do the little song and dance on the phone, and a couple days later the phone shows up.
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I wasnt mean.
Sent from my rooted Verizon Galaxy Note 2. FU Verizon and all tour BS you throw around.
Yep, I really don't get the folks trying to buy stuff in stores or calling tech support. It's literally just someone reading a screen, there is no such thing as tech info you can't find yourself online and quicker than tech support. Sad but true.
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The moral of this story is:
Be nice to the guys at the store or on the phone. They make less than you do, and they have to deal with a hundred people just like you every day. They don't owe you anything but if you're cool they'll help you out. Oddly enough this is a lesson which can be applied to human interactions everywhere in your life.
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No offense to anyone, but if you know enough to be here at XDA there should be no reason to step foot inside a store or call tech support. I buy all my gear online and If I call tech its because I already know it's gonna be a warranty replacement. I do the little song and dance on the phone, and a couple days later the phone shows up.
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All you have to know to be here at XDA is how to read and follow a simple sign up. Not that special.
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Yep, I really don't get the folks trying to buy stuff in stores or calling tech support. It's literally just someone reading a screen, there is no such thing as tech info you can't find yourself online and quicker than tech support. Sad but true.
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Most tech supports have a database of issues that have occurred in the past and how to fix them (not found on Google). There are also things that can happen that is beyond the user's control. I didn't get a delivery notice from Verizon for my Note 2 so I called them and found out there was a bug in the system and we had to resubmit it. If I had your way of thinking on the matter I would have never got my phone.
Just because many people here at XDA don't need tech support, doesn't mean the majority of people don't. You can see this in most mod/ROM threads. Lots of people ask questions because they have issues and the communuty helps them out (basically tech support). I work in IT and some people don't know anything about electronics eventhough they work with them everyday.
Not trying to attack you guys or anything, just trying to bring the real world to a tech forum since I help them every day.
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So I was into rooting jail breaking all sorts of stuff a couple of years ago just because I like to know how things work. I'm an electrician as well so this is a part of my life everyday. But electronics are my playground. Anyway, I have an GS4 i545 of1 build. i don't use it so for fun I've been dinking with it. Bricked it several times brought it back from death. I got onto a chat sesh with Samsung saying "Hey tell me how to unlock the bootloader. I have a 16GB phone that I'd like to put 16GB worth of music on throw it behind some books on a shelf and blast my music through the Stereo in my home. It's barely clinging onto life as it is. I've got brown face tape covering the the front componenet due to the fact i broke the screen when moving. But, here's the kicker. ITS MY PHONE! I want the 16GB of space I paid for. No I don't want amazon's book club for balding men or whatever else they put on it. I don't go to McDonalds order a cheese burger and give the dude who took my order 2 bites! My word for word come back to their advice to not root this phone was that if i took everyone's advice I'd be dead from getting hit by a car when my mom told me to go play in the street for a couple hours. Anyway, I'm at the point where If I have to pay an arm and a leg to use this phone while I'm their customer, when the time comes for me to purchase another one either give me full rights to my product or buy it back from me at half price! So. Now Samsung told me to ask verizon.... Verizon didn't build the phone. they did. but I'll go ask mommy and get the same answer and I'm going to ship half the phone to Samsung and half to Verizon and ask them each to pay for half since this was the only way i could to figure out to get the bootloader from keeping from doing what I wanted! lol, ok rant over.:silly:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3781006&d=1465784082
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s4-verizon/general/guide-sch-i545-vrugof1-look-t3395833
You are preaching to the choir.
I had a few spare minutes this morning while I was eating breakfast, so I figured I'd get Verizon's response. It's what you'd expect. The representative was sympathetic though.
Will: Thank you for contacting the Verizon Wireless Chat Team regarding your device. How can we help you today?
You: Hello! I own a Verizon Samsung Galaxy S4 (SCH-i545). I bought it new from you guys and it's fully paid off. I'm thinking about upgrading to a new phone and using the S4 as a media player. However, I would like to unlock the bootloader so I have full control over my device and can continue to apply security updates.
You: I have read Verizon's official policy at https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5YY_3KIKjphSklad0NPaEtjMDA/view?usp&eq;sharing. However, my device is out of warranty so I will not be requesting support, and I will be using it without a SIM card so there's no potential for it to disrupt your network. Additionally, other major carriers like Sprint and T-Mobile allow bootloader unlocks, seemingly without any major negative repercussions. Finally, you actually sold a Galaxy S4 Developer's Edition with an unlocked bootloader (SCH-I545ZKDVZW), so it seems you've already made this functionality publicly available.
You: In light of these facts, I feel like it's reasonable to request full access to the four-year-old hardware which I've fully paid for. Could you please direct me to the necessary file(s) to unlock the bootloader on my Galaxy S4?
Will: Thank you for the info and for the request. I assure you I will do everything I can to help you get to what you're after. To get started, may I have your wireless number with area code?
You: Sure, it's (XXX) XXX-XXXX.
Will: Thank you for that. I want to be absolutely upfront with you, from a principle perspective, I personally agree with you - a device you paid for you should be able to do what you'd like with it, accepting any and all risks and responsibility of course, which you seem to fully understand. I have no problem searching for any updated info we have on unlocking the bootloader for you. I'll need a few moments to do this, will that be okay?
You: Sure, that would be great. Please take your time.
Will: I really appreciate it. As of now we don't have resources or the tools to perform such an action. My understanding is when it's locked, it's built that way and cannot be unlocked by Verizon. That does not necessarily mean it cannot be unlocked by all, just means it takes methods beyond what we can do within our scope of support here.
Will: *correction: doesn't mean it cannot be unlocked at all
You: Fair enough! I'm disappointed, but I understand there may not be anything you can do. I really appreciate your checking for me though! If you keep track of this sort of thing, could you please make a note about my request and maybe consider revisiting your policy about locked bootloaders in the future?
Will: Absolutely - it's something I'm personally passionate about. I get that there's a certain population who messes with their phones and don't know what they're doing, but for the rest of us I think there should be at least some give on that. I will definitely continue to lift feedback up, and the more customers who do that could lead to some change down the road.
Will: Now that we've covered that, will that be all you'll need for today?
You: Yep, I won't take up any more of your time. Thanks a lot, hope you have a great day! Goodbye.
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I had a few spare minutes this morning while I was eating breakfast, so I figured I'd get Verizon's response. It's what you'd expect. The representative was sympathetic though.
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Dude that's just horrible! I think we sould just start mass calling both samsung and verizon. if they don't give us what we want. Apple I phone here we COME!
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Dude that's just horrible! I think we sould just start mass calling both samsung and verizon. if they don't give us what we want. Apple I phone here we COME!
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Unfortunately this is what I did. I got the iPhone for the wife cause it's reliable. Her last Verizon Moto X became unusable after update and could not be rolled back due to locked bootloader. I was like my work iPhone still gets updates and works fine after 5 years so I got an iPhone for her and one for me so I knew how to help her if needed. I miss android sometimes but having to buy a new phone every 2 years cause phone isn't supported anymore and has security holes just seems ridiculous.
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Time to move on
All unlock bootloader talk is a waste of time. If Samsung/VZW do it for this phone then they will have a horde of nerds clamoring for the same for every device ever made then they would have no integrity for their OTA system and they would start receiving bricked devices. If I were running VZW I would make the same decision not because I am a phone nazi but because I have a #15 on Fortune 500 company to run and it needs to run predictably and reliably for the vast majority mass flocks of sheep who will never even hear of root and if they ever do they will brick their phones in the first 5 minutes because nobody reads direction and that put a burden on the warranty department.
My answer would be "if you want to play with root and use VZW go buy a Moto X Style direct from Moto for $400 (CMDA and LTE 4 and 13), flash a CM13 nightly, and come back and buy a SIM and pay for a month-month account. Thank you."
Eventually I will buy an unlocked phone and stay with my $24/mo Cricket deal and never look back at a locked device. Let's move on.
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All unlock bootloader talk is a waste of time. If Samsung/VZW do it for this phone then they will have a horde of nerds clamoring for the same for every device ever made then they would have no integrity for their OTA system and they would start receiving bricked devices. If I were running VZW I would make the same decision not because I am a phone nazi but because I have a #15 on Fortune 500 company to run and it needs to run predictably and reliably for the vast majority mass flocks of sheep who will never even hear of root and if they ever do they will brick their phones in the first 5 minutes because nobody reads direction and that put a burden on the warranty department.
My answer would be "if you want to play with root and use VZW go buy a Moto X Style direct from Moto for $400 (CMDA and LTE 4 and 13), flash a CM13 nightly, and come back and buy a SIM and pay for a month-month account. Thank you."
Eventually I will buy an unlocked phone and stay with my $24/mo Cricket deal and never look back at a locked device. Let's move on.
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I get what you're saying and I'm sure that everyone that has dealt with this are still red in the face with anger but here's my problem. You go pay $400 for the moto whatchamacallit and I pay over double that and you get to do more? eh I'm just us as customers of vzw/samsung need to say "well bye!" and do what you're saying. but Id rather be ripped off by an online scam and not know who it was rather than a large electronic company that make refrigerators that you can log on to and see if you have milk in it... Don't you think they could invest a little time and effort into making a product that would work for all three (vzw/samsung/customers) of us? Maybe I'm crazy, maybe my red hair on my bum is getting warm and just making me one mad ginger... either way I know what I want with my money as I know other people do. it's fun doing this and they are trying to take away something that keeps me entertained when I have nothing to do. WAY BETTER THAN SITTING ON MY BUTT WATCHING FRIENDS OF SOME BS! *drops a samsung phone at your feet and walks*
My point exactly
LIke I said, this is a waste of time. You are not crazy you just don't understand how the people running a gianormous company think. I'll give you a hint: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and anything that disrupts that gets flushed. The .5% of smartphone users that want to root and ROM are a disruption, get it? Probably everyone on the SCH-I545 forum with a locked BL bought it by mistake and learned a tough lesson. So soon I will go elsewhere. ~$220 for a brand new AT&T LG G3 on Amazon and $40 on Cricket (as low as $24 on a group plan) buys you all the flash freedom you want. I didn't care for the call quality so I'm holding out for better but could flash the latest CM13 nightly all I wanted. Moto X is great but 5.7" is too big for me. Brand new HTC M9's can be had for $300 on Amazon and I'm considering it. Or hold out and save for an HTC 10 next year when they are not $700 freakin dollars and CM devs have had some time with it.
If you have nothing to do then find some side work and earn some $ for an unlocked phone. But if what you are saying is you paid $800 for a locked SCH-I545 then I can't help you.
Kirk out.
You could also buy any Nexus device. In my case a Nexus 7 (2013) for $125 on Swappa. I have tried on so many different ROMs I'm almost burned out......almost, but never completely. I do feel that VZW and Sammie make a great product. But we should have the option at signing to have an unlocked boot, and agree to forego OTAS and warranty work.
P. S. Where ever you bought your S4, you got ripped. They should get some of that Ginger ire as well?