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I noticed this item for sale and was suprised because I was under the impression that it was determined that GPS didn't work on the Hermes due to technical limitations even when using a Trinity radio. Go figure.
http://cnn.cn/shop/8525tytnhermes-antenna-p-1615.html
pof has been alreayd pmed about this yesturday. waiting for a reply from him to see if he is willing to buy to see if it'll work. if you read more closely you would find the gps is missing the antenna and it requires lost of work to get one in there. this might be able to go in where u put a gsm antenna but lets wait for pof to see what he says.
aha... thanks for the update.
jakirkla said:
I noticed this item for sale and was suprised because I was under the impression that it was determined that GPS didn't work on the Hermes due to technical limitations even when using a Trinity radio. Go figure.
http://cnn.cn/shop/8525tytnhermes-antenna-p-1615.html
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Would be excellent although the Hermes GPS is not Sirf III....
Anyone tried this one?
got pm from pof. the antenna will only help bluetooth gps and not the internal gps. oh well. thanx to pof for saving us the trouble of buying then finding it wont work.
damn man, i bought that antenna as soon as i saw it up!! soooo... like..... theres nothing i can do with this??
ok, it doesnt seem to work.
but it has to help the internal gps, the way it seems SHOULD function wouldnt make sense to help the bluetooth gps. ive seen many other cable GPS like this one on the internet. anyone else buy this?
I'm not sure I follow the function of the antenna....if it is just helping the bluetooth gps, is it then more of a bluetooth antenna, or does it just do nothing for the 8525?
I thought the bluetooth gps was its own antenna, otherwise what would the purpose of it be? Thanks!
I know this sounds sketchy... I read a post a while back about this port where you can attach antenna. A person working with the GPS project for the Hermes TyTN device discovered this port and connected a different model of antenna from Radio Shack. He went on stating that this port is for GPS. NOT Bluetooth When he connected the other style antenna he noticed both his reception (data,voice) increased along with the number of satellites he could acquire.
This is in one of the threads realated to the GPS. He has pictures and stuff too.
I stand corrected.. This was not found in the development thread of GPS with the HTC TyTN device.. This was in a thread where the person took apart their device and showed different pictures of the ""guts"" I'm trying to find the link for the thread now..
any updates on if this worked or not?
I do remember reading somewhere about how people were trying to physically build in a small GPS device into there 8525.
Although nothing about this antena though.
Makes me wonder if there is an actual built in GPS reciever inside the phone.
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Makes me wonder if there is an actual built in GPS reciever inside the phone.
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No but I think *some* of the hardware necessary is present. Why not just use a bloutooth GPS rather than having one tethered?
if anyone could post an update it would be appreciated...
what i have learned is that the gps antenna posted on cnn.cn is a type that is supposed to amplify and intensify the signal for your bluetooth gps... but this still confuses me. im guessing it boosts the signal for that the bluetooth attempts to pick up, but why am i plugging it into my 8525 then??
i hope there is some sort of use for this paper weight... besides the paper weight.
Theres no way that thing would fit inside a hermes is there?? It looks huge.. the kind of antenna youd need in a hermes is a tiny one shaped to fit into the top of the phone...
That anteanna is simply that.. a gps external antenna.. theres thousands of those available..
you can use it on a gps navigation system with an antenna connector in order to position the antenna for better reception.. like if you have a coated windscreen that gps cant get through you can use that lead round to the sunroof or back window to allow it to gwet signal while still having the gps unit under the windscreen where you can see it..
That thing is a standard GPS antenna.. the one needed would be a tiny thing.. with no wire and a whole load of soldering and work to fit it... it will probably never happen.. certainly not with something off the shelf like that id imagine. (you could maybe strip that down and get at the actual antenna inside.. but i highly doubt it would a)be small enough, b)fit, c) work afterwards or d) be in any way easy enough to acheive.
From the pictures on the site it looks like that thing plugs into the external antenna socket on the hermes.. but that wont give you gps.
It might improve signal quality in the car though..as it will probably work in some way as a GSM antenna.
(Have you tried plugging it in under the litttle rubber cap on the back of the phone as shown and seeing what happens - it may of course blow up the phone since it ISNT designed to go in this hole!)
Bluetooth gps is a lot better...becuase it is wireless...I have the holux 240 (smallest on the market)...and it can pick up signal inside my house
The GPS was investigated already for the TyTn, it will never work. The chip has the GPS capability however, there are many pins tied to ground. It would take major modification to attempt to use the internal GPS.
Use bluetooth like Holux, forget plugging anything into the rear antenna port. You have been warned!
so what is the deal? are you telling me that if i buy this external antenna http://cnn.cn/shop/8525tytnhermes-antenna-p-1615.html a gps application will not work? if not how can i get navigation on my device?
explain to others as it was explained unto you!
lodownlv said:
so what is the deal? are you telling me that if i buy this external antenna http://cnn.cn/shop/8525tytnhermes-antenna-p-1615.html a gps application will not work? if not how can i get navigation on my device?
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if you read carefully, you will finally understand that not having it is not going to deny your hermes a gps app.
External= the outside; outer surface; exterior.
antenna=a conductor by which electromagnetic waves are sent out or received, consisting commonly of a wire or set of wires
therefore external antenna mean outside the unit,
gps application = software for use inside the unit
Options therefore:
1. TyTN + INTERNAL BT antenna + BT gps receiver + gps app = works fine
2. TyTN + INTERNAL BT antenna + BT gps receiver + gps app + External antenna(plugged into little hole on back of TyTn not your butt = works much better (because of better reception).
Therefore, unless you install TOMTOM 6 on your pc and expect it to work on your PPC thats the only way it wont work.
Even easier to understand is this:
Imagine you are in your car and you are driving you want to listen to music(find a route) on the radio(your TyTn). Its easy to find your favorite station(gps sat) as your radio(TyTN) already has an
External antenna if you were to unplug the external antenna then you would only be able to pick up a few stations but the radio would still work.
and to the question of getting navigation on your device, you would a) have to install a gps mapping software(TOMTOM navigator comes to mind) b) have a wired or unwired gps RECEIVER. that is all.
Hope i explained it good enough.
FYI I'm using TomTom navigator 6 and Qstars 32 channel bluetooth receiver on my Hermes and it works just fine, and i dont have an external antenna.
If you need any more help feel free to pm me.
Cheers.
1. TyTN + INTERNAL BT antenna + BT gps receiver + gps app = works fine
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Correct.
2. TyTN + INTERNAL BT antenna + BT gps receiver + gps app + External antenna(plugged into little hole on back of TyTn not your butt = works much better (because of better reception).
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Not quite correct. For the external antenna to improve GPS reception it would need to be plugged into the GPS receiver - not the phone. Plugging it into the phone will be a complete waste of time because the phone does not 'do' GPS. Wired GPS receivers can't be used with the Hermes - it has to be Bluetooth.
Anyone know of a possability to have an external antenna for wifi or anything else that would help increase or focus the signal to get a better/further wireless connection ?
Any ideas are welcome even if it means working (soldering) on the actual board of the Tytn if anyone has done something similar please post your findings here.
Tytn has an external antenna connector under a little cover on the case. Wilson sells antennas and cables and such for it, plug and play.
http://www.wpsantennas.com/
Thanks for the reply Bro, but will this boost the wifi module or just the phone signal ?
Just the phone signal as far as I've read. I'm not sure though.
I'll be trying it out as soon as mine gets here and I can let ya know, I need one for trying to get reception in the rural areas I go to often.
I have read somewhere on this forum that using the atennas that plug into the port on the back are a bad idea in these phones cuz the soders on the board break easily if you do and you lose all phone signal. I couldnt find again where I read it, sorry. So be careful if you do it.
Thanks for the heads up bro, I don't mind the phone signal (aside from tunnels) but I do want to boost the wifi, I guess we're stuck with this till a better phone comes out
im sure you could maybe, make some freak monster connector for the wifi antennas? nobody has done that? isnt there some basic internal one? or how does the wifi signal get broadcast/received?
yeah its possible but I don't want to fry the board if I put something that draws more power than the board can handle (because it sends and recieves) so I wanted to see if some electric engineer or hobbyist has ventured something like this before
your better off with some wrt54g(s) with ddwrt on it and use it to connect to it and then use the wrt54 to connect to whatever it is that you want for range lol i dont know in what situation your in... if its portable then ya the router thing would not work well if in car? or some other place then that would be the best choice heh
but if your connecting external antenna then its not really that portable anymore is it
Sounds interesting... thanks for the info I look into that,
I have no problem at home or at Uni but in hotels I usually have to point the device around to catch a signal (heads up that's where the base for wifi is) and the signal is so weak it disconnects or gets real slow somewhat annoying, still better than carrying a laptop around on small trips.
i'm willing to open mine up for better wifi, i would just like a guide or atleast some pictures and pointers with do's and don'ts.
i don't NEED my hermes, but i do love it enough to want it to continue to operate.. heh.
I took mine apart already i wanted to put the bestskinever on the screen its self so while doing that i was going to check out the insides and it was a pain to get it on without any lint and stuff on still got a very small one but its nice i cut the exact size of the whole LCD not the screen dimensions
so it covers it all... anyway
i saw both BT and WIFI internal antennas there... I really did not see any connector... though something that looked like one but i didnt pay much attention it was very small maybe .200" or so
I would assume you could un solder the internal wifi antenna but i would not recommend that... as there are i believe other resistor/capacitor and hmm coil that work for the right antenna length and so on... I THINK I havent done any electronics in a long time and never bothered with such devices and or high frequencies so I would not know.
I would recommend finding some other online forums dealing with the 2.4ghz wifi stuff and learn or ask questions if its possible to make a connector for the phone.
This would be indeed a great DIY project to add to the archives
once again i would recommend that you get a cheap wrt54 put dd-wrt on it... config it properly for it to connect to other devices, they even have scripts to have it connect to open connections and the ones with strongest signal or you could config it manually through the web gui
that is far better IMO then modding your hermes heh, as i would think you would need an amplifier not just external antenna as that only might increase your sensitivity or a little better quality in signal but to boost the transmit power you would need an amplifier
http://dd-wrt.com
there you go find the right one with the right version that will work with dd-wrt they only run like 50 bucks or so… and plus you can use it for anything else… you can boost the transmit power on them as well as replace the generic antennas
...really? Anandtech says that the Prime has a Broadcom controller capable of 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz but that the Prime only works at 2.4 GHz. Why is this? Is this a hardware imposed limitation or can it be changed via software? My 5 GHz WLAN at home is screaming and interference-free whereas my 2.4 GHz WLAN is being thrashed by my wireless IP cams and there are lots of neighboring APs on that band. It won't stop me from buying the Prime but really ASUS? Why limit it? My POS Atrix 4G connects to my 5 GHz WLAN.
I was dissapointed in finding this out too. I doubt it could be made to work since the wifi antenna would need to be created for the 5.8ghz band and most likely, connected to the 5.8ghz portion of the chip.
AFAIK, the only dual-band Android tabs are the OG Xoom and the Samsung GT 10/8.9/7+. Everything else is b/g/n only. The Moto Xoom 2 (aka XYBoard) tabs should be dual-band as well. Yes, I'm keeping track since I have a dual-band setup.
For DYI'ers, you can try replacing the built-in antenna with a dual-band PIF antenna. The antenna pigtail (cable) uses a U.FL connector, so no soldering needed. I have some pulls from a busted Cisco router. Probably won't work, since supporting chips (RF amps, etc) for 5GHz band are probably missing, but couldn't hurt to try.
Anandtech and CNET both reported severe issues with WiFi connectivity. Is this something we should be concerned about?
morphiend said:
Anandtech and CNET both reported severe issues with WiFi connectivity. Is this something we should be concerned about?
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It's already known they both got deffective units.
About the antenna, the first thing i read in the specifications of the tablet was that it would only connect to 2.4GHz, so it was there since day one.
Wow, I didn't realize this... This might actually be a deal-breaker for me, since the 2.4GHz freq is so saturated around my house and inside, I pretty much have to run on 5GHz. Why in the world would you exclude 5GHz... This totally blows.
how would this affect my daily usage?
the hardware supports 5GHz, but Asus disable it in the software for battery life reason.
kanariya said:
how would this affect my daily usage?
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It most likely won't affect most people at all.
>http://www.anandtech.com/show/5178/an-update-on-transformer-prime-battery-life-wifi-issues
The interesting bits were about wifi performance:
"The original Transformer was made out of plastic, through which RF travels quite nicely. The Prime's metal construction makes things a bit more finicky. Indeed this is exactly what I saw, where depending on tablet and AP orientation I'd see anywhere between 10Mbps and 36Mbps downstream (average speed tended to be in the 15 - 20Mbps range)."
"TF Prime's WiFi performance is far more sensitive to orientation to the AP when compared to the original Transformer."
Just going to have to wait for devs to hack the wifi module.
kanariya said:
how would this affect my daily usage?
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This has affected me severely. I have tried everything to use my Prime with Bluetooth headphones for watching Netflix. Without Bluetooth streaming, I get about 17000kbps download speeds. With Bluetooth streaming, that drops to under 1000kbps, making Netflix buffer constantly. 5GHz connectivity would solve this problem right away. I'm very disappointed that they would exclude this basic functionality.
wait the prime doesnt support 5ghz networks....
Does there exist any sort of range extender or repeater?
When I am on the opposite side of the house, or outside mowing the lawn with phone charging, I miss notifications.
Cheetohz said:
Does there exist any sort of range extender or repeater?
When I am on the opposite side of the house, or outside mowing the lawn with phone charging, I miss notifications.
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If your device has WiFi and cloud syncing is enabled, any WiFi you can connect with your phone will work. Of course, if you do need an WiFi extender, there are many: WDS usually only work reliably if all routers are the same brand and the best one would be extenders that use the electrical wires (common power plugs in house) to extend the WiFi range but they are more expensive.
WiFi
Make use of the WiFi feature on the watch. While the phone is near, configure WiFi using your phone.
After configuration, if the watch is near phone you can turn off the WiFi on watch as it consumes more battery and notifications come directly from phone via bluetooth.
While you are far from watch, turn on the WiFi so that notifications come for the apps you have installed on your watch. This may not include notification while you get calls or text messages. Hope this helps.
not sure why this is happening but i noticed my mi box is not working
then when i go into setting i see that the wifi is turned off in wifi setting i have to switch it back on
it is getting really annoying since i use this box to run some smarthome bridge apps
not sure why this keeps happening ,the box is right next to my router and is connected to the 5ghz band
so it should not be dropping the connection
but lets say it is dropping the connection ,then why if the wifi turned OFF ? if it drops won;t it just reconnect automatically?
are there any hidden setting i can check or change to correct this or is there some app i can sideload to fix it?
gdroid666 said:
not sure why this keeps happening ,the box is right next to my router and is connected to the 5ghz band
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Signal overload? Try moving them at least a few feet apart? Only SWAG I got. Other than have you tried a factory reset on the MiBox?
jseymour said:
Signal overload? Try moving them at least a few feet apart? Only SWAG I got. Other than have you tried a factory reset on the MiBox?
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no don't want to factory reset it
it took days to get anymote setup on it was the biggest hassle ever
no way i am going through that again
yeah it is like a foot from the router
but the thing is if it dropped wifi then isn't it supposed to reconnect on it's own or at the very least not switch the wifi to off on the settings?
Signal overload can sometimes have odd effects on hardware and the software that drives it. E.g.: Got a guy over in the Silicon Dust forums had a HDHomeRun device crashing on tuning a particular channel. He put a splitter in-line to allow him to do A:B comparisons with another device on the same antenna and the problem went away. (Splitters introduce a >1/N signal strength loss.)
jseymour said:
Signal overload can sometimes have odd effects on hardware and the software that drives it. E.g.: Got a guy over in the Silicon Dust forums had a HDHomeRun device crashing on tuning a particular channel. He put a splitter in-line to allow him to do A:B comparisons with another device on the same antenna and the problem went away. (Splitters introduce a >1/N signal strength loss.)
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but HDMI is a wired connection
wifi is wireless can
and does android really turn the wifi off if signal overload?
it did it again today i am thinking of just looking for a workaround
like maybe an automation app that i can set that if wifi turns off it turns back on again
maybe i can do it with macrodroid ,i have not used it ia long time but think it may have the right options
do you hav eany other app suggestion that might work?
other is option is that i could use a UBS to ethernet but will it slow my connection since it is USB 2.0 ?
i have a USB to ethernet adapter but i'm not sure if it will even work and it is not gigabit
not sure if it could even make us of a gigabit USB ethernet because of USB being 2.0
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but HDMI is a wired connection
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HDMI? The Silicon Dust HDHomeRuns are OTA (broadcast) and cable network tuners. They take OTA or cable channels and put them on a LAN. They have no HDMI connections.
The guy in question put a cable splitter on the cable from his OTA antenna so he could feed the HDHR network tuner and a Hauppague card at the same time. This results in a greater than 3dB (50%) signal reduction to each receiving device.
gdroid666 said:
wifi is wireless can
and does android really turn the wifi off if signal overload?
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I did not suggest it does. Please read more carefully. I wrote "Signal overload can sometimes have odd effects on hardware and the software that drives it. " The implication being the hardware and/or software misbehaves.
Btw: That MiBox is unshielded. Being as it has internal antennas, it would have to be. That means that when you locate it right next to a transmitter you're bombarding the entire PC board with RF from that transmitter. (Coincidentally: You're doing your WiFi router's performance no favours by locating it directly next to another strong source of RF, either.)
All this is a Scientific Wild-Ass Guess based on nothing more than five decades of experience with a wide range of all kinds of hardware and, later, software, and seeing some of the most unexpected things happen. (See below for recent example.)
It's either that or the thing's simply broken.
How hard could it possibly be just to move the two apart by a few feet to test my hypothesis? N.B.: Signal strength decreases at the square of the distance (inverse square law). Thus, if you move it four feet away, as opposed to two, that second move doesn't halve the signal over the two foot move, but quarters it.
gdroid666 said:
i am thinking of just looking for a workaround
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It's always better to fix it than patch it, if possible.
From the Department of Well, That Was Unexpected
I recently obtained a Silicon Dust HDHomeRun Connect Quatro network tuner. First thing I did was go to one of our traditionally most problematical channels to see how it'd perform. It was horrible. I assumed it was due to poor tuner performance. Boxed everything up to send it back. But I was persuaded to look more closely. I discovered it was actually performing better than my other tuners, and the problem appeared to be with just the one station. That station, it turned out, had a mere 60Hz carrier deviation. Insignificant. (0.000009%) They corrected it, anyway. Station reception cleaned right up. I would never have expected that in a million years.