[Q] Superior Auto vs manual mode - Sony Xperia Z Ultra

I'm trying to figure out how to take the best possible photos with this phone, given the limitations of the camera and I can't seem to tell which mode is giving me the better photos. Anyone want to weigh in?
Superior Auto takes an 8mp image and crams it down into a 5, correct? Much like the Lumia 1020 does with the 41mp images (to 5) and the Z1 does with the 21mp images (to 8).
I noticed the file size is smaller. In manual mode, we obviously get more options, but we also get the full 8 mp shots. I have taken samples in both modes and they look pretty similar to me.
Which is better, in your opinion and which do you generally use?

greyhulk said:
I'm trying to figure out how to take the best possible photos with this phone, given the limitations of the camera and I can't seem to tell which mode is giving me the better photos. Anyone want to weigh in?
Superior Auto takes an 8mp image and crams it down into a 5, correct? Much like the Lumia 1020 does with the 41mp images (to 5) and the Z1 does with the 21mp images (to 8).
I noticed the file size is smaller. In manual mode, we obviously get more options, but we also get the full 8 mp shots. I have taken samples in both modes and they look pretty similar to me.
Which is better, in your opinion and which do you generally use?
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In the older firmware superauto sucked bad and manual was the way to go, not played with auto since then. I also use 'a better camera' and fv-5

greyhulk said:
I'm trying to figure out how to take the best possible photos with this phone, given the limitations of the camera and I can't seem to tell which mode is giving me the better photos. Anyone want to weigh in?
Superior Auto takes an 8mp image and crams it down into a 5, correct? Much like the Lumia 1020 does with the 41mp images (to 5) and the Z1 does with the 21mp images (to 8).
I noticed the file size is smaller. In manual mode, we obviously get more options, but we also get the full 8 mp shots. I have taken samples in both modes and they look pretty similar to me.
Which is better, in your opinion and which do you generally use?
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Not entirely correct. It takes a 16:9 aspect ratio at 5mp... (loss of top and bottom aspect) To get 8mp you'll need to have 4:3.
But blue is totally right. FV-5 is my choice of campera app. its slightly better than Sony's choice... and i'll always take anything better..

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Picture quality and resolution

I've noticed that the pictures in lower-than-normal light look a bit grainy. I've noticed that even at 8mp (3264x1840), the file size is about 1 mb. On every other camera I've used, 8mp resolution was about 4-6 mb. Is there any way to reduce the amount of compression applied to images? Can't imagine they would lock us into such a high compression rate without the ability to adjust it.
Try flashing xboarders amazing quick sense or ARHD custom roms. I'm not sure but I think most custom sense roms have zero compression in the camera app.
zellroot said:
Try flashing xboarders amazing quick sense or ARHD custom roms. I'm not sure but I think most custom sense roms have zero compression in the camera app.
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What if you haven't rooted the device?
davidktk said:
What if you haven't rooted the device?
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You may want to try ProCapture. Im taking photos with this app and it gives much nicer ones than either my stock telus camera or quiksense 1.4.1 camera.
zellroot said:
Try flashing xboarders amazing quick sense or ARHD custom roms. I'm not sure but I think most custom sense roms have zero compression in the camera app.
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Im using quick sense files still are 1-.1.5 mb.
xManMythLegend said:
Im using quick sense files still are 1-.1.5 mb.
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I used Root Explorer (Market) and altered the "media_profiles.xml" file to "100" for all compression levels for the camera. I also set the ImageDecoding Memcap to 80000000 instead of 20000000. Now my shots are all 5mb and above. HOWEVER...the problem appears to be the bit depth which is 8 and the ppi resolution is only 72. This is extremely poor for any camera. Unless the ppi resolution can be changed within the camera, I am of the opinion that there is no hope! It is a very tiny sensor compared to even a point and shoot camera so perhaps that is the best we can expect. I compared before and after picture quality and even at 5mb and up compared to 1-2mb, the exact same pictures still look the same!
frodoboy said:
I used Root Explorer (Market) and altered the "media_profiles.xml" file to "100" for all compression levels for the camera. I also set the ImageDecoding Memcap to 80000000 instead of 20000000. Now my shots are all 5mb and above. HOWEVER...the problem appears to be the bit depth which is 8 and the ppi resolution is only 72. This is extremely poor for any camera. Unless the ppi resolution can be changed within the camera, I am of the opinion that there is no hope! It is a very tiny sensor compared to even a point and shoot camera so perhaps that is the best we can expect. I compared before and after picture quality and even at 5mb and up compared to 1-2mb, the exact same pictures still look the same!
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Interesting. I did compare shots and the larger files didnt seem noticeably different.
I dont know enough about camera but that bit depth is poor for anything. Im assuming this was a tricky way to get the zero shutter lag going ?
Maybe a dev can take a gander and share his/her thoughts.
xManMythLegend said:
Interesting. I did compare shots and the larger files didnt seem noticeably different.
I dont know enough about camera but that bit depth is poor for anything. Im assuming this was a tricky way to get the zero shutter lag going ?
Maybe a dev can take a gander and share his/her thoughts.
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Yes the bit depth is horrendous! It is usually created by the hardware engine for the sensor so if that is all HTC put into it, I doubt any dev can make it better with a software patch if it truly is in the hardware. I tried my settings on all camera modes and I get around 5-7mpx for everything except the Clear Shot HDR. That locks the camera app up! I've been using Pro HDR camera anyway because it allows you to save up to an 8mpx image at full resolution. I have it in the same folder as the camera and camcorder (I love folders!) so I just select that when I want to shoot an HDR. I use my Panasonic G2 for normal shots and video anyway. The phone camera is just in case I don't have my big camera with me. I don't think HTC should even try to brag about how great this camera is. At 8mpx and 72ppi, it is a joke!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B14Rle4s6tI
I'll be adding "Sony Bravia Engine" in my next ROM which increase's photo and video quality and i will be adding
ro.media.dec.jpeg.memcap=8000000
ro.media.enc.hprof.vid.bps=8000000
ro.media.enc.jpeg.quality=90 or 100
Revolution said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B14Rle4s6tI
I'll be adding "Sony Bravia Engine" in my next ROM which increase's photo and video quality and i will be adding
ro.media.dec.jpeg.memcap=8000000
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That was a convincing video of what the Bravia engine can do. Hope it can do that with our Amaze
Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using XDA Premium App
It will work better I think because of the QHD screen .
Sent from my HTC Ruby using XDA App
A different take on this: Compression applied after capturing a low-light image probably isn't what is causing the low image quality & smaller filesize you're seeing. Image quality in all digital cameras drops when light levels fall below the sensor+lens ability to capture enough light for a good picture, and you get the equivalent of using high-ISO film: a grainy image with less detail to write to the file. The Amaze is still better than most phone cams, but will still not do as well as a larger point & shoot camera in low light -- regardless of compression.
That said . . . nope, I haven't 'gone deep' into how well compression itself works on the Amaze.
brocco99 said:
A different take on this: Compression applied after capturing a low-light image probably isn't what is causing the low image quality & smaller filesize you're seeing. Image quality in all digital cameras drops when light levels fall below the sensor+lens ability to capture enough light for a good picture, and you get the equivalent of using high-ISO film: a grainy image with less detail to write to the file. The Amaze is still better than most phone cams, but will still not do as well as a larger point & shoot camera in low light -- regardless of compression.
That said . . . nope, I haven't 'gone deep' into how well compression itself works on the Amaze.
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Holy crap you waited for two years before posting THIS!!!!
lol j.k
Personally its not about having PnS quality as lens size simply wont allow it. But if picture quality can be better...then I want to know. Particularly what the trade off is and why.
I remain curious as to how PQ compares to iPhone4 and GalaxyNexus. Such a pain to find comparison pics.

Help me choose a camera mod for my Note 4 910F Snapdragon

Hello,
As the title says i need help choosing (or getting) the best camera mod available up to date.
The device is a rooted Note 4 running on Omega Rom android version 4.4.4 (yes and i`m not changing it!)
It has the default Samsung camera app.. the image quality is really awful, horrible compared to my 200 year old iphone5..
I am using the optimum camera settings HDR and 16mp and the daylight photos are OK-ish.. but once the sun goes down i no longer have a camera, meaning at night the camera is just awful!
Also the colors seem quite saturated/yellowish generally the photos quality is really pour, i do believe that with a mod it can be better..
What i need is a camera mod that will shoot photos as close to the actual colors as possible, best image quality is what i`m after.
I dont really care about video recording honestly i`m fine with 1024 on video, all im after is image quality!
EDIT:
The build in samsung camera app/mod lacks many camera app features that my grandma`s phone has, im talking about features like macro,focus,image quality settings and more!
There must be a mod out there that enables those features?
Please help me get a better image quality the summer already passed
Thank you!
You won't get any better it's to do with the cameras hardware not software. Have you tried increasing the exposure and turn the ISO up to something like 800 or whatever the highest ISO value is? You will still get grainy/noisy images with a higher ISO but should be a brighter image. Iphones while I'll never go back to one, have got pretty good cameras for low light situations but if you really want to take pictures in low light then you should consider buying the S7, S7 edge or the note 7 when it's released.
Thanks for the info
I did expect more from the camera of the note 4..
The max ISO is 800 but the best image quality in my opinion is with the lowest ISO setting which is 100.
Overall I'm super happy with the phone in general.. the note 7 did not convince me im not gona commit to swap it, meaning that I'm gonna stock around with no camera for a while
Hardware wise the camera is decent, I'm sure that with an open mod it should take better shots, at least in day light..
Thanks for the reply ☺

Camera confusion...

Hello Group,
I got my LGV30 last weekend so I'm still a newbie with it but I am loving it so far. I have a couple of questions about the rear facing camera. I'm trying to understand the 16MP setting, here is why I'm kinda confused. Under the cameras settings I chose this: 4:3 (16MP) 4656x3492 . So when I take a picture shouldn't the result be at least near that particular MP?
When I hook up my LGV30 to my computer and look at the shots that I have taken a lot of them are 2 MP to 7 MP, so I dont understand...I do know that just because I selected 4:3 (16MP) 4656x3492 doesn't mean that every shot will be that large however it should be 11MP or better, correct???
Also, in the setting when I have to make a selection of the size I want I notice that this number is there too, 16:9 (12MP) 4656x2620, so if I am taking a 4:3 shot and then switched over very quickly to the 16:9 shot, then what MP is then used for the 16:9 shot since I didn't select a setting ?
Thanks, Jake
I seriously don't know what are you doing. I checked my photos and all of them are 16 MP or 13 MP (Wide angle).
As for the aspect ratio: Camera sensors are tend to be 4:3 - so it is 16MP. When using 16:9, the output from the sensor has to be cropped, so the final result is 12MP, for 18:9 is 11MP etc.
Thanks for the reply. This is so weird as on my cell the shots look great but looking at them on my computer it shows them ALL as way under size. Maybe its a Windows 7 thing but I dont know as of yet...still troubleshooting.
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I seriously don't know what are you doing. I checked my photos and all of them are 16 MP or 13 MP (Wide angle).
As for the aspect ratio: Camera sensors are tend to be 4:3 - so it is 16MP. When using 16:9, the output from the sensor has to be cropped, so the final result is 12MP, for 18:9 is 11MP etc.
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Yeah, a lot of people don't realize that the "16MP" is if you use the outdated 4:3 aspect ratio. Wide-screen will give you less, but turning the phone "sideways" or seeing on a 16:9 computer monitor or TV will be much more aesthetically pleasing.
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n2bowling said:
Hello Group,
I got my LGV30 last weekend so I'm still a newbie with it but I am loving it so far. I have a couple of questions about the rear facing camera. I'm trying to understand the 16MP setting, here is why I'm kinda confused. Under the cameras settings I chose this: 4:3 (16MP) 4656x3492 . So when I take a picture shouldn't the result be at least near that particular MP?
When I hook up my LGV30 to my computer and look at the shots that I have taken a lot of them are 2 MP to 7 MP, so I dont understand...I do know that just because I selected 4:3 (16MP) 4656x3492 doesn't mean that every shot will be that large however it should be 11MP or better, correct???
Thanks, Jake
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n2bowling said:
Thanks for the reply. This is so weird as on my cell the shots look great but looking at them on my computer it shows them ALL as way under size. Maybe its a Windows 7 thing but I dont know as of yet...still troubleshooting.
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I think you are confusing MB with MP. When you say "a lot of them are 2 MP to 7 MP", I believe you are looking at file size, not pixels.
MB is file size. Kilobyte, Megabyte, Gigabyte, Terabyte, etc. Plus, you can have different file sizes for the exact same picture, depending on whether it was saved in PNG or JPG. (The default on our phone is PNG format but some phones use JPG.)
Whereas, MP refers to the amount of pixels in an image. Usually higher MP in a camera means better pictures, but don't go by that alone:
http://www.blurbiness.com/web/en/bl...egapixels-does-not-mean-better-quality-photos
So you may find a camera or smartphone which, having less Megapixels, but with a better sensor and better lenses, gets clearer images than other cameras with more Megapixels. ... Basically, if you use a worse camera and worse lenses with more Megapixels, you will have more worse quality pixels
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n2bowling said:
Also, in the setting when I have to make a selection of the size I want I notice that this number is there too, 16:9 (12MP) 4656x2620, so if I am taking a 4:3 shot and then switched over very quickly to the 16:9 shot, then what MP is then used for the 16:9 shot since I didn't select a setting ?
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If I am understanding your question correctly, and forgive me if I'm not -- when you switched over to 16:9 shot "very quickly" it would take 16:9. However, that would not be your DEFAULT setting when you open the camera app. Next time you open the camera it would probably be back at 4:3.
You probably want 16:9 to be the default, so you should select that setting. Close the camera app, then re-open and see if it sticks.

Macro Photography with P30 Pro

As you probably already know, there is more than one way to take close-up pictures with your P30 Pro. You can use the dedicated Super Macro mode (found under More in your stock camera app) or manually set the focus to macro in Pro mode. However, two years of experience have taught me that by far the best way to take really crisp macro shots with my phone is not an obvious one. In fact, I bet you have never even tried it.
You see, our phone comes with 2 primary lenses, each with its own sensor. The main lens boasts a 40MP sensor, making it the default choice for your everyday shots, while the wide secondary lens has a 20MP sensor, which makes it sound a little underwhelming. However, when it comes to macro photography, the wide lens has one major advantage over its big brother - a much shorter minimum focus distance. This allows you to bring the lens much closer to your subject before the image becomes blurry. So to take superior close-up shots with your P30 Pro, all you have to do is switch to the wide lens by selecting the Wide picture mode in the camera app. You can combine this with the dedicated HDR mode (found under More in your stock camera app) to eliminate any unwanted shadows. However, be aware that at such close proximity to the subject the autofocus can no longer be relied on. So manual focusing is strongly recommended.
Below are some sample pictures taken by each lens at their minimum focus distance.
40MP Primary Lens at minimum focus distance:
https://ibb.co/61kjmDQ
40MP Primary Lens, Closer Look:
https://ibb.co/ftpmCnx
20MP Secondary (Wide) Lens at minimum focus distance:
https://ibb.co/f4J7rCD
20MP Secondary (Wide) Lens, Closer Look:
https://ibb.co/dktkjqH
As you can see, the wide lens was able to capture far superior detail at minimum focusing distance compared to the 40MP shot. In real life application this means less cropping and more pictures like these:
https://ibb.co/cTn6W2J
https://ibb.co/1TtJHyz
https://ibb.co/Qb8PfNh
Have fun with your Macro shots!
That's really informative, and the difference in detail in your pics is quite stark. I'll try your suggestions for myself.
Thanks
That last pic is stunning!
I would add something to this post : shoot in RAW. You'll need to post-process the pictures, but the results are way much better regarding color, sharpness and lighting than what the auto mode can provide !
Quick comparison :
Auto mode :
https://ibb.co/QfzW5F3
RAW file manually edited :
https://ibb.co/bmWmmLq
I can assure you this flower wasn't anywhere near pink !
All the colours are different between those two pics, not just the flower. What does post-processing involve?
It's actually up to you. The RAW file only offers you a lot more freedom, with greater dynamic range and sharpness than a jpg file. You can crop and still get a perfectly sharp picture, you can play with lighting, shadows, colors ... to get exactly what you want.
In my case, a better quality and a more realistic / natural look. Most of the time, I get oversaturated pictures, with an exaggerated HDR effect and lack of detail using the auto mode (and I'm not only talking about macrophotography).
Regarding this specific RAW picture, I cropped and increased saturation and texture using Photoshop. The whole process took no more than ten minutes.
To give you an idea, here is what it looks like unedited : https://ibb.co/3mVKFbX
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It's actually up to you. The RAW file only offers you a lot more freedom, with greater dynamic range and sharpness than a jpg file. You can crop and still get a perfectly sharp picture, you can play with lighting, shadows, colors ... to get exactly what you want.
In my case, a better quality and a more realistic / natural look. Most of the time, I get oversaturated pictures, with an exaggerated HDR effect and lack of detail using the auto mode (and I'm not only talking about macrophotography).
Regarding this specific RAW picture, I cropped and increased saturation and texture using Photoshop. The whole process took no more than ten minutes.
To give you an idea, here is what it looks like unedited : https://ibb.co/3mVKFbX
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I do enjoy playing with RAW. However, as I only ever post my pictures on social media where their quality gets butchered by the site's own compression engine, I find it difficult to justify the time investment in RAW editing. So I stick to JPEG format in Pro mode with master AI disabled.
i can't see "wide picture "in camera app for 20mp lens??cancel that
tonybhoy said:
i can't see "wide picture "in camera app for 20mp lens??cancel that
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You need to be in Pro mode with resolution set to 10MP. Don't ask me why. Ask our friends at Huawei =)
https://ibb.co/7jcRFFc
So I took Paulos971's suggestion and combined the wide lens macro with RAW. I have to say - I am not disappointed. Below are the edited versions of the same image taken simultaneously in RAW and JPEG.
Image saved as JPEG:
https://ibb.co/nmQcXLk
Image saved as RAW (.DNG):
https://ibb.co/cTn6W2J
koi8ru said:
You need to be in Pro mode with resolution set to 10MP. Don't ask me why. Ask our friends at Huawei =)
https://ibb.co/7jcRFFc
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i just went to photo mode and slid slider down to wide,never went to pro
koi8ru said:
So I took Paulos971's suggestion and combined the wide lens macro with RAW. I have to say - I am not disappointed. Below are the edited versions of the same image taken simultaneously in RAW and JPEG.
Image saved as JPEG:
https://ibb.co/nmQcXLk
Image saved as RAW (.DNG):
https://ibb.co/cTn6W2J
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Wow, amazing picture ! :good:
Yeah editing takes some time indeed, but I really think it's worth it
guys, go see my page, i have a lot of photos taken by my P30 Pro. You will see a lot of macro photography
My name on instagram is Titibenze
poulos971 said:
I would add something to this post : shoot in RAW. You'll need to post-process the pictures, but the results are way much better regarding color, sharpness and lighting than what the auto mode can provide !
Quick comparison :
Auto mode :
https://ibb.co/QfzW5F3
RAW file manually edited :
https://ibb.co/bmWmmLq
I can assure you this flower wasn't anywhere near pink !
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I tried many times to use RAW, but it works only at full res of 40mp an noise is incredibly hight, even with good light. Ho do yout set for those 2 example shot??
Leoxur said:
I tried many times to use RAW, but it works only at full res of 40mp an noise is incredibly hight, even with good light. Ho do yout set for those 2 example shot??
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Yes, the RAW file will always be a full resolution picture (i. e. 40mp using the main camera, 20mp on the ultrawide and 8mp on the telephoto).
To avoid noise, you must shoot at the lowest possible ISO setting ! It also depends on the sensor used (as the main one is bigger, it produces less noisy pictures than the ultrawide / telephoto).
This example picture was shot in 1/500s at 50 ISO using the ultrawide camera.

General The pixel 6 camera sucks

This is probably going to be am unpopular opinion but does anyone else think that the Pixel 6 camera sucks? Pics straight out of device are a) over sharpened and b) flat. The canned filters are poor too. Enhance does nearly nothing, dynamic is a circuis like sharpening and contrast+saturation, and the rest are such ugly color casts which makes them useless. None of the filters have a "strength" slider to control the magnitude of the effect. Yet the sky filters that have the exact same names and function all have strength sliders. WTF Google?
I was hoping that Google has taken SnapSeed and incorporated it into the default camera in some dumbed down format so as not to confuse the general user. Wishful thinking. Not only that, I can't seem to find a way to tweak the default settings to my liking.
On an ongoing trip the images from my wife's 18 month old Fruit 12 max wiped the floor with the Pixel 6. This is from man Apple hater who will never own a fruit themed device.
To summarize my experience with the Pixel 6 so far; ****ty fingerprint reader, ****ty camera. Alas I dislike Samsung products almost as much as the fruity ones. If OnePlus had not decided to take heavy handed approach to Oxygen OS 12 I would be rocking a OnePlus 9 instead and be content.
I've noticed the over sharpened on some pics and just a general overall look I didn't like right away with the pixel 6. This last week I have done a bunch of night sight pics in the same location I did last year with my pixel 2 and the pixel 6 absolutely looks better in every way. I'm sure the improved night sight is the updated hardware but google needs to work on their eye candy AI for the new sensors in other situations.
Try shooting raw and with night mode (even for daylight) then download adobe lightroom mobile (free version is enough), open the raw file in it, click the auto button and export the picture. Then compare to stock jpeg. You will be amazed. The hardware and image stacking on this phone are top notch. This is the first phone i have seen that has actually usable raw files. The stock jpeg on the other side is something i also don't like due to overprocessing.
GroovyGeek said:
This is probably going to be am unpopular opinion but does anyone else think that the Pixel 6 camera sucks? Pics straight out of device are a) over sharpened and b) flat. The canned filters are poor too. Enhance does nearly nothing, dynamic is a circuis like sharpening and contrast+saturation, and the rest are such ugly color casts which makes them useless. None of the filters have a "strength" slider to control the magnitude of the effect. Yet the sky filters that have the exact same names and function all have strength sliders. WTF Google?
I was hoping that Google has taken SnapSeed and incorporated it into the default camera in some dumbed down format so as not to confuse the general user. Wishful thinking. Not only that, I can't seem to find a way to tweak the default settings to my liking.
On an ongoing trip the images from my wife's 18 month old Fruit 12 max wiped the floor with the Pixel 6. This is from man Apple hater who will never own a fruit themed device.
To summarize my experience with the Pixel 6 so far; ****ty fingerprint reader, ****ty camera. Alas I dislike Samsung products almost as much as the fruity ones. If OnePlus had not decided to take heavy handed approach to Oxygen OS 12 I would be rocking a OnePlus 9 instead and be content.
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Sent the Pixel 6 back and get a refund.
It is the simplest solution.
Not really, since real alternatives are scarce..
I really enjoy the camera. It's been taking phenomenal pictures for me. They will update the camera more as well and with Google's history I see it being very good.
I just got this phone yesterday, made Few photos and I am coming from a Galaxy note 20 ultra... I have to say I am impressed with the camera but for sure it does not live up to the hype on the internet. My Galaxy note 20 ultra makes as good if not better photos and to top all that I was comparing my photos last night with a friend's Huawei 40 pro ... And his photos were as good and in some cases better (some mine were better but less so) 5han the Google pixel 6... Just say both those phones are over a year old.
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Try shooting raw and with night mode (even for daylight) then download adobe lightroom mobile (free version is enough), open the raw file in it, click the auto button and export the picture. Then compare to stock jpeg. You will be amazed. The hardware and image stacking on this phone are top notch. This is the first phone i have seen that has actually usable raw files. The stock jpeg on the other side is something i also don't like due to overprocessing.
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Did you ever try Photoshop Express fpr RAW processing?
Yes i tried but the engine is the same between lightroom and photoshop express hence results are same. PS has better retouch capabilities if you need these.
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Yes i tried but the engine is the same between lightroom and photoshop express
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Tbats what I was hoping
neptun2 said:
Try shooting raw and with night mode (even for daylight) then download adobe lightroom mobile (free version is enough), open the raw file in it, click the auto button and export the picture. Then compare to stock jpeg. You will be amazed. The hardware and image stacking on this phone are top notch. This is the first phone i have seen that has actually usable raw files. The stock jpeg on the other side is something i also don't like due to overprocessing.
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Thanks for saying this. So I didn't have to.
I find the camera pretty crappy if I'm honest. Detail in all of my pictures, including in well lit areas, are mediocre at best.
Night mode is absolutely useless too. If I compare it to my old Huawei Mate 20 Pro night mode pictures, there is no comparison.
Thinking of getting rid of the Pixel and getting something with an actual decent camera.
Pixel shots have a very specific look. It's not always realistic but it's beautiful. Live HDR and zero shutter lag are so nice.
If you're coming from a OnePlus phone, it can be a literal night and day difference in quality.
Is it possible that it is the selfie images that is breaking the camera?
What hype was there with this camera? Sure it has a new sensor that was talked about quite a bit, but everyone was saying that they picture quality was NOT different than the older Pixel models.
It is different but you need to try raw shooting to see the differences. Google's jpeg processing is far too aggressive regarding noise reduction so the small details are lost and stock jpegs look similar to older pixels. I will take some pictures these days to show the difference between stock jpeg and one converted from raw.
Here are links to stock jpeg from phone and one generated from raw file via adobe lightroom:
JPEG from raw:
jpeg from raw.jpg
drive.google.com
Stock jpeg:
stock jpeg.jpg
drive.google.com
For me the raw file generated by the pixel 6 (especially with night mode) is very good. It has a lot of detail and low amount of noise. In this case i have not applied any post processing except the auto button in adobe lightroom mobile hence no noise reduction and sharpening at all. If you prefer sharper and cleaner picture this raw file can handle both without any problem. Comparing the two pictures main problems with google's stock jpeg looks to be following:
1. Too much sharpening
2. Too aggressive HDR bringing up some nasty noise from the shadows
3. Too aggressive noise reduction. IT is not only very aggressive removing some fine details but it is also applied in different levels in different zones causing patches which are more smeared than the rest of the picture. For me this looks very ugly.
As i doubt that google will give us and settings to adjust jpeg processing my advice to everybody looking to get the most from the camera is to shoot raw with night mode on even in daylight and process the raw file the way they like it. It is always good to also have the raw file as backup because software constantly improves and in future you may get even better results from the old raw files.
I don't like the main camera for close subjects, the depth of field drop off is too shallow for my liking and the focus area is small causing soft edges due to the large sensor.
People who take pictures of food a lot might have a love hate relationship.
It is also annoying to scan qr codes due to the soft edges.
And what about that main camera for video calling on duo or whatsapp? Is it crappy only for me or are you guys experiencing the same?
neptun2 said:
Try shooting raw and with night mode (even for daylight) then download adobe lightroom mobile (free version is enough), open the raw file in it, click the auto button and export the picture. Then compare to stock jpeg. You will be amazed. The hardware and image stacking on this phone are top notch. This is the first phone i have seen that has actually usable raw files. The stock jpeg on the other side is something i also don't like due to overprocessing.
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