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Well, I have jumped ship from the Aria to the Galaxy s2 and wanted to find out if I could give this phone to my mom to be used as a simple "dumb" phone - she has no need for data, texting, or any networking other than simple phone calls - her existing flop phone is craptastic and on its last legs. I have her line as a third number on my account, but it is only voice. If I turned off all the mobile connections and removed the data APN, would ATT be able to detect it as a smart phone and force a data plan onto that number? It is rooted and running CM7 if that matters.
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T
Yes, they can tell it's a smartphone, and they will force you into a data plan even with data disabled on the phone. I'm not sure how that can be legal but they do it anyway.
That sucks. Do they key in on the IME number?
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Yes, they can tell it's a smartphone, and they will force you into a data plan even with data disabled on the phone. I'm not sure how that can be legal but they do it anyway.
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I used a smart phone for over 3 years with no data....but went to 2gig for personal reasons. So has my wife. Neither of us have been forced into doing so. They only see if you are actually mobile connected. Just remove the apn and never turn on data. They could use the imei, but that would be more trouble than its worth to sift through them all.
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That sucks. Do they key in on the IME number?
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Yes.
tomtommy306 said:
I used a smart phone for over 3 years with no data....but went to 2gig for personal reasons. So has my wife. Neither of us have been forced into doing so. They only see if you are actually mobile connected. Just remove the apn and never turn on data.
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You've been lucky then. I'm merely stating AT&T's official policy that all smartphones must have data plans, regardless of whether you are on contract with them or don't use any data whatsoever. There have been numerous posts over the past year or so here about AT&T customers being forced into data plans. However, there have also been mixed reports about some people being forced into tethering plans when attempting to tether for free through rooted/jailbroken devices, and others have been able to tether constantly without anything happening to them. I have no idea why AT&T's systems detect it for some people and not for others.
Although, even if you do get forced into a data plan, all you have to do is switch the SIM card back into a regular phone then call AT&T to have them remove the data plan and you will either not be charged at all or be charged a very small pro-rated amount. So there's really no risk in trying it.
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They could use the imei, but that would be more trouble than its worth to sift through them all.
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Their systems already check your IMEI automatically for other reasons. When you move your SIM card into another device, you can log onto the AT&T website and see that it shows the updated device attached to your phone (I think it takes up to 24 hours to update though).
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I used a smart phone for over 3 years with no data....but went to 2gig for personal reasons. So has my wife. Neither of us have been forced into doing so. They only see if you are actually mobile connected. Just remove the apn and never turn on data. They could use the imei, but that would be more trouble than its worth to sift through them all.
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See the bolded part? Since you were doing so, the didn't change your plan.
See here: http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/02/...phones-even-unlocked-ones-onto-smartphone-da/.
AT&T tells us that this policy has been in place since last September; folks who haven't changed phones since then are still grandfathered
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See the bolded part? Since you were doing so, the didn't change your plan.
See here: http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/02/...phones-even-unlocked-ones-onto-smartphone-da/.
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So I guess they are cracking down on the newer people. I have been with at&t since they were cingular so I guess I was and have been grandfathered in for a while.
In short for the OP question.... Do as Drumist says and try the sim in it. If they try and force you, then pull the sim.
On a side note.... At&t are being bullies aren't they. I have read of them trying this for people with international unlocked phones as well. That said.... It's their network to do with as they please.
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So I guess they are cracking down on the newer people. I have been with at&t since they were cingular so I guess I was and have been grandfathered in for a while.
In short for the OP question.... Do as Drumist says and try the sim in it. If they try and force you, then pull the sim.
On a side note.... At&t are being bullies aren't they. I have read of them trying this for people with international unlocked phones as well. That said.... It's their network to do with as they please.
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I've been using smart phones without data plans for nearly 6 years now, starting with the Treo 650, then the LG Incite (WM6), and now the Aria.
When I upgraded the phones, I simply put the old SIM into the new phone - never heard a peep from AT&T.
Maybe I'm lucky, but I have something on my account called "
Smartphone Exclusion", which I believe came with my plan on my first Cingular phone.
I have data opt-out on my feature list as well.
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I've been using smart phones without data plans for nearly 6 years now, starting with the Treo 650, then the LG Incite (WM6), and now the Aria.
When I upgraded the phones, I simply put the old SIM into the new phone - never heard a peep from AT&T.
Maybe I'm lucky, but I have something on my account called "
Smartphone Exclusion", which I believe came with my plan on my first Cingular phone.
I have data opt-out on my feature list as well.
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My situation is nearly identical I think. I've been through a couple of Blackberries and now the Aria, all without a data plan and haven't had any issues.
Your experience may vary is the bottom line I guess.
I purchased a used Rezound off of E-Bay - probably my first mistake. I want to use it to replace my Galaxy Nexus. I got a new sim card from Verizon and have been trying to activate the phone. I called Verizon and everything is correct in the system (the sim card and phone are married in the system). Once I power up the phone to activate, it sits at the activation screen.
Any ideas on what to try? Verizon seems to think I bought a dead phone... I thought I was getting a pretty good deal - good seller ratings on other phones... etc.
Thanks for any help.
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I purchased a used Rezound off of E-Bay - probably my first mistake. I want to use it to replace my Galaxy Nexus. I got a new sim card from Verizon and have been trying to activate the phone. I called Verizon and everything is correct in the system (the sim card and phone are married in the system). Once I power up the phone to activate, it sits at the activation screen.
Any ideas on what to try? Verizon seems to think I bought a dead phone... I thought I was getting a pretty good deal - good seller ratings on other phones... etc.
Thanks for any help.
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if it's a good seller ui should be able to exchange it maybe?
unfortunately i got mine second hand, and i am having blue screen flickers, not sure what to do, i have an upgrade but im not gunna waste it on a phone i already bought..
First, look and make sure the SIM card you bought isn't a Verizon/Vodaphone SIM but that it is a 4G LTE card, it will say it right on the card, if it is, go to myverizon.com, sign in, and reactivate your old phone, sign out, sign back in and reactivate the Rezound, make sure you enter the MEID correctly, and the 4G LTE card serial number correctly. Reinsert the card in your phone, put the battery back in, and, Please make sure you put the back cover back on the phone, it's required for reception on our phones, and let it boot up, it should activate automatically.
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i don't know but since it is such a new phone it should be under warranty, take it to a verizon store and see if they can order you a new one?
Bad esn which means the phone is black listed they won't activate it unless the existing bill is paid.
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Whoever owned it before you never paid their phone bill. Unless it's a bad SIM which I have gotten one bad SIM for my LTE broadband card.
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First, look and make sure the SIM card you bought isn't a Verizon/Vodaphone SIM but that it is a 4G LTE card, it will say it right on the card, if it is, go to myverizon.com, sign in, and reactivate your old phone, sign out, sign back in and reactivate the Rezound, make sure you enter the MEID correctly, and the 4G LTE card serial number correctly. Reinsert the card in your phone, put the battery back in, and, Please make sure you put the back cover back on the phone, it's required for reception on our phones, and let it boot up, it should activate automatically.
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Thanks for the help. I can't reactivate in myverizon because it says that the Rezound is pending. I'll try it if I can get the pending removed.
Thanks again.
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Thanks for the help. I can't reactivate in myverizon because it says that the Rezound is pending. I'll try it if I can get the pending removed.
Thanks again.
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If you reactivate an old device, it should kick that pending out. Try it if you haven't already.
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I got the sim card for the Rezound at a Verizon Corp store. I was told by Verizon tech support that the verizon server is waiting for a response from my phone. I think he said a haul response or something like that. The tech said he could see the first responses from the phone but it wasn't going any further in the activation process.
How would I know if the ESN is black listed?
How would I reactivate the old phone? Would I need to go and get a different sim card? I had to get a different sim card because the Galaxy Nexus sim card is a different size than the Rezound sim card.
Thanks for all the help.
I had the same problem stuck at activation screen for about 45 mintues, did a battery pull and restarted and all was good to go......
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andybones said:
if it's a good seller ui should be able to exchange it maybe?
unfortunately i got mine second hand, and i am having blue screen flickers, not sure what to do, i have an upgrade but im not gunna waste it on a phone i already bought..
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I thought that blue screen flicker was an artifact caused by the iCs leak and not a hardware defect.
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i don't know but since it is such a new phone it should be under warranty, take it to a verizon store and see if they can order you a new one?
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you can't do this. I've tried lol.
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I thought that blue screen flicker was an artifact caused by the iCs leak and not a hardware defect.
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I thought it was ICS as well. but I'm on GB and I get it randomly
When your logged in to your account, on your home page which is the page it displays when you sign in, scroll down, under device it will have an option to change device. If it's the right SIM card, you won't have any problem with trying to reactivate it, after you deactivate it by switching back and forth, I've done it a dozen times. Doesn't sound like a bad phone, I mean stolen or a bad esn, or the tech would have told you, it just sounds like a hiccup during activation. **** when you reactivate the Nexus, use the card that came with it, not the new one! Then reactivate your Rez with the new card
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I bought mine new, i did have trouble activating at first, but i did reboot n it finally did, and theres a site u can search for that tells u if ur esn number is blacklisted or not
Be aware that you have to have 4G service to activate the 4G devices. When I got mine new it was when the nationwide 4G outage was going on and it wouldn't activate until it was back up. Make sure it's not set to CDMA only and that mobile network is turned on.
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When your logged in to your account, on your home page which is the page it displays when you sign in, scroll down, under device it will have an option to change device. If it's the right SIM card, you won't have any problem with trying to reactivate it, after you deactivate it by switching back and forth, I've done it a dozen times. Doesn't sound like a bad phone, I mean stolen or a bad esn, or the tech would have told you, it just sounds like a hiccup during activation. **** when you reactivate the Nexus, use the card that came with it, not the new one! Then reactivate your Rez with the new card
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When I log in, I can see the link to activate or switch devices. My phone and number are grayed out with a "pending" status. Not sure how to get the pending status removed to reactivate the Nexus. Thanks again for all the help.
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Be aware that you have to have 4G service to activate the 4G devices. When I got mine new it was when the nationwide 4G outage was going on and it wouldn't activate until it was back up. Make sure it's not set to CDMA only and that mobile network is turned on.
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Not trying to argue with you at all man, but it will still activate in a 3G coverage area, and you're right to make sure the mobile network is turned on. I am a recently former VZW sales rep and Tech specialist, I market transferred and after waiting six months for my transfer to be approved, getting replies that they are working on it, I jumped ship. The outage may have been what messed with your case, but 4G devices can be 100% be activated in a 3G area.
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When I log in, I can see the link to activate or switch devices. My phone and number are grayed out with a "pending" status. Not sure how to get the pending status removed to reactivate the Nexus. Thanks again for all the help.
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Maybe make that call back to Tech support so they can remove the pending status, ask them to reactivate the Nexus and then try activating the Rezound again. But let them enter everything, and stay on the phone with them til it's up and running
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Not trying to argue with you at all man, but it will still activate in a 3G coverage area, and you're right to make sure the mobile network is turned on. I am a recently former VZW sales rep and Tech specialist, I market transferred and after waiting six months for my transfer to be approved, getting replies that they are working on it, I jumped ship. The outage may have been what messed with your case, but 4G devices can be 100% be activated in a 3G area.
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This is good to know! The VZW rep told me they had to have 4G to activate. I told him that was the dumbest thing I had ever heard. So I just left with it not activated and my Incredible not working either. Nitwit. ;-)
I was on my eris tlkn to verizon tryin to activate my rezound, and it didnt activate til i got off the phone wit em
ok so i bought the UK version of the Galaxy S3...i was told by many since AT&T can't recognize the uk version of the phone, i can sign up for the 10/month unlimited data plan...so i called them yesterday and gave them my dummy phones ime number...everything was good all day phone worked great..but i just got home and i got an email saying that my "iphone" doesn't have the proper data package and changed it to the 30 month/3 gig plan...so i'm confused...did they know i was using a smart phone??
maybe i screwed up not giving them the galaxy s3's ime number?
Doesn't matter what country it's from they can still enter your ImeI and know what you using.
Lets hope AT&T doesn't do as they did with the N1 and go after the medianet users.
You are SOL, it appears in this case your phone IMEI algorithm is in the ATT IMEI sweeps. They have the UK SGS III flagged as an iPhone just as they had the white Galaxy Note flagged as a blackberry.
this is a hit or miss thing. Best thing to do is give them an imei of a dumb phone from AT&T. Been running with that on my GNote.
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this is a hit or miss thing. Best thing to do is give them an imei of a dumb phone from AT&T. Been running with that on my GNote.
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Yeah that's what I did do. I never gave them the s3's imei number. Gave them the imie of and old Samsung I had.
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IMEI ranges are openly available and AT&T has the capability to scan for devices that fall within and then compare those to the data plan. The only thing that has stopped them from doing this wholesale is that it requires a great deal of resources and they have chosen to stick with the money. Otherwise there would not be anyone doing the medianet gambit without an IMEI spoof. The situation with the N1 was different in that they publicly stated they were going after Google and did so, it was a shot across their bow saying do not screw with our subbed phone system by getting into the business of selling unlocked phones to our customers. If they have decided to take this course with the sgs3 you will know soon enough as there will be many reporting that they were kicked to smartphone data but it would not be business as usual up to this time.
The other way that people get caught is that they are flagged at the time of making the switch by the csr and it sounds like this might be what happened here since this is the only report of it so far.
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ok so i bought the UK version of the Galaxy S3...i was told by many since AT&T can't recognize the uk version of the phone, i can sign up for the 10/month unlimited data plan...so i called them yesterday and gave them my dummy phones ime number...everything was good all day phone worked great..but i just got home and i got an email saying that my "iphone" doesn't have the proper data package and changed it to the 30 month/3 gig plan...so i'm confused...did they know i was using a smart phone??
maybe i screwed up not giving them the galaxy s3's ime number?
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Very strange, you are the first person I've heard who has this issue.
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Yeah its all good now. I called and even they were stumped why. I re-added it and so far it hasn't changed back again
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Hello,
So before today I was on the $50 unlimited plan on prepaid, which I filled up every month and I had never bought a phone from T-Mobile.
Today, I went in to buy the HTC One and I said I wanted the phone outright. They checked my account and said I am qualified. They also said that I can only do it with the $70 plan. Is this true? How do I change back to the $50 plan?
Also, they said 90-days for unlock. Is this true or can I do it before?
Crazysah
Also, they made it seem like I am now on postpaid instead of prepaid?
Can someone help shed light on this?
Sounds like the in-store people just f'd you over and changed you to postpaid without telling you. You'll probably have to get on the phone with customer service and fight with them for a while.
As for the unlock thing, there are tons of sites that will provide SIM unlock codes for a fee (usually like $10-$20), or T-Mobile will give people whose accounts are in good standing (or something) the code after 90 days. But I think you might be confused between SIM unlock and bootloader unlock. If you want to take your phone and use it on AT&T or in another country's network, you need SIM unlock. If you want to root and install custom ROMs, you need bootloader unlock. You can unlock your bootloader whenever you want from HTCdev for free.
Yeah, I'm talking about SIM unlock only. I need that as I live in India 4 months of the year. Is there anyway to change from postpaid back to prepaid? I don't want to be on postpaid at all. They said there was no other way I could buy the phone. I want the $50 plan (not the $70 one they put me on!)
He jagged you big time bro... But fear not!
If you haven't activated the sim on the plan yet then all you gotta do is call 611 T-Mobile from your PREPAID sim and tell them to active the other sim for you. Your number/plan will transfer over just fine.
If you already switched plans then you will need to buy another sim and do the above
Simple eh?
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Becool0130 said:
He jagged you big time bro... But fear not!
If you haven't activated the sim on the plan yet then all you gotta do is call 611 T-Mobile from your PREPAID sim and tell them to active the other sim for you. Your number/plan will transfer over just fine.
If you already switched plans then you will need to buy another sim and do the above
Simple eh?
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So, when I call them what do I tell them? He said that the SIM he put into the HTC One has a temporary number and either that SIM or the SIM in my current phone (HTC Explorer) will get a message saying it is activated. I haven't gotten any message now. So what can I do?
At the moment, my HTC Explorer with current SIM is still working and the new one is temporary but I think still working.
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So, when I call them what do I tell them? He said that the SIM he put into the HTC One has a temporary number and either that SIM or the SIM in my current phone (HTC Explorer) will get a message saying it is activated. I haven't gotten any message now. So what can I do?
At the moment, my HTC Explorer with current SIM is still working and the new one is temporary but I think still working.
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It seems that the card is already activated. You cant just deactivate a card and reactivate it. Once deactivated you cant reactivate it, EVER.
Youll need to deactivate it to go from post to prepaid. You will need a new micr-sim and either:
1) slip it in the phone and it will work
if this doesnt work then there is step 2
2) call 611 from prepaid phone and tell them you want to transfer your number to other new sim. They will ask you for sim #. DONE!
As for this other plan they activated.. ask the prepaid person to transfer you over to post-paid customer service and talk to them about deleting that account. They cant do it, but they can refund you the money and let it not charge you ever again (if already charged)
All these steps should work so long as you paid for the phone in full. If not, you are bound by the terms/conditions to keep the post-paid account or to pay the phone off in full to get pre-paid.
I called them up and they just switched my account from postpaid to prepaid, gave me an unlock code and also activated Wifi calling for me. It was as easy as asking them to do it. The customer care was super helpful. I haven't received any of the confirmation emails they said they would send but I think I'm all good.
Anything else I need to be worried about?
OK...so I took the plunge and upgraded to a GS4 a month or so ago, but lost my unlimited data. My wife still has hers and uses a measly 100mb/month. I called Verizon yesterday to see if they could simply switch the two lines as far as data goes, so that I have unlimited and my wife gets the 2gb/month plan and they told me that in order for that to happen we would have to swap phone numbers (I would have to take her# and she takes mine). Is there any truth to this, or did I just get someone on the other end who didn't really want to work with me?
That sounds about right.
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Yeah that is what will happen cause they can't change the number on the account so what would happen is you have to change the sim card and the phone number is linked to the sim card. Also the unlimited data is linked to the account with that phone number so in essence you will lose the unlimited data plan.
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Yeah that is what will happen cause they can't change the number on the account so what would happen is you have to change the sim card and the phone number is linked to the sim card. Also the unlimited data is linked to the account with that phone number so in essence you will lose the unlimited data plan.
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It's all on one account though...figured all that would need to be done is a simple switch, but apparently not...
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It's all on one account though...figured all that would need to be done is a simple switch, but apparently not...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2367734
[Guide] How to upgrade without losing unlimited data.
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I'm rooted though and a little nervous about having whomever at verizon messing with my phone. Also don't really want flash stock recovery and get locked down with the most recent update. Decisions decisions. I suppose one day an exploit will come, but doesn't look too promising right now. I don't use crazy data but felt I had to be careful with this new 2gb plan, when I never even monitored it...ever.
I may of missed it, but if your phone has a 4G sim card it's as easy as just switching the cards. I ordered my S4 on one of the lines I have that had an upgrade coming. When it arrived I simply pulled the sim card from my Nexus and popped it into the S4 and never looked back.
Jett, you are cotrect.
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Believe I would still have to do a device switch since I dont want my wife's phone number...or is the phone number not tied to the sim card?
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Believe I would still have to do a device switch since I dont want my wife's phone number...or is the phone number not tied to the sim card?
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Phone number is still tied to the sim card. Reading from your post it's probably too late to do anything since you got rid of the grandfather unlimited data. Now I think your only option is take your wife's number, request a number change and give your old number to your wife. You can also request a number change on your old number as well.
How about porting your and your wife's numbers to google voice, get new numbers on both lines but use your old numbers through GV
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How about porting your and your wife's numbers to google voice, get new numbers on both lines but use your old numbers through GV
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++ that's what I did. Ported my number and wife's number out to GV, and then ported the numbers back in on the different plans under the same account.
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