OK...so I took the plunge and upgraded to a GS4 a month or so ago, but lost my unlimited data. My wife still has hers and uses a measly 100mb/month. I called Verizon yesterday to see if they could simply switch the two lines as far as data goes, so that I have unlimited and my wife gets the 2gb/month plan and they told me that in order for that to happen we would have to swap phone numbers (I would have to take her# and she takes mine). Is there any truth to this, or did I just get someone on the other end who didn't really want to work with me?
That sounds about right.
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Yeah that is what will happen cause they can't change the number on the account so what would happen is you have to change the sim card and the phone number is linked to the sim card. Also the unlimited data is linked to the account with that phone number so in essence you will lose the unlimited data plan.
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Yeah that is what will happen cause they can't change the number on the account so what would happen is you have to change the sim card and the phone number is linked to the sim card. Also the unlimited data is linked to the account with that phone number so in essence you will lose the unlimited data plan.
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It's all on one account though...figured all that would need to be done is a simple switch, but apparently not...
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It's all on one account though...figured all that would need to be done is a simple switch, but apparently not...
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[Guide] How to upgrade without losing unlimited data.
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I'm rooted though and a little nervous about having whomever at verizon messing with my phone. Also don't really want flash stock recovery and get locked down with the most recent update. Decisions decisions. I suppose one day an exploit will come, but doesn't look too promising right now. I don't use crazy data but felt I had to be careful with this new 2gb plan, when I never even monitored it...ever.
I may of missed it, but if your phone has a 4G sim card it's as easy as just switching the cards. I ordered my S4 on one of the lines I have that had an upgrade coming. When it arrived I simply pulled the sim card from my Nexus and popped it into the S4 and never looked back.
Jett, you are cotrect.
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Believe I would still have to do a device switch since I dont want my wife's phone number...or is the phone number not tied to the sim card?
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Believe I would still have to do a device switch since I dont want my wife's phone number...or is the phone number not tied to the sim card?
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Phone number is still tied to the sim card. Reading from your post it's probably too late to do anything since you got rid of the grandfather unlimited data. Now I think your only option is take your wife's number, request a number change and give your old number to your wife. You can also request a number change on your old number as well.
How about porting your and your wife's numbers to google voice, get new numbers on both lines but use your old numbers through GV
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How about porting your and your wife's numbers to google voice, get new numbers on both lines but use your old numbers through GV
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++ that's what I did. Ported my number and wife's number out to GV, and then ported the numbers back in on the different plans under the same account.
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Well, I have jumped ship from the Aria to the Galaxy s2 and wanted to find out if I could give this phone to my mom to be used as a simple "dumb" phone - she has no need for data, texting, or any networking other than simple phone calls - her existing flop phone is craptastic and on its last legs. I have her line as a third number on my account, but it is only voice. If I turned off all the mobile connections and removed the data APN, would ATT be able to detect it as a smart phone and force a data plan onto that number? It is rooted and running CM7 if that matters.
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Yes, they can tell it's a smartphone, and they will force you into a data plan even with data disabled on the phone. I'm not sure how that can be legal but they do it anyway.
That sucks. Do they key in on the IME number?
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Yes, they can tell it's a smartphone, and they will force you into a data plan even with data disabled on the phone. I'm not sure how that can be legal but they do it anyway.
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I used a smart phone for over 3 years with no data....but went to 2gig for personal reasons. So has my wife. Neither of us have been forced into doing so. They only see if you are actually mobile connected. Just remove the apn and never turn on data. They could use the imei, but that would be more trouble than its worth to sift through them all.
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That sucks. Do they key in on the IME number?
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tomtommy306 said:
I used a smart phone for over 3 years with no data....but went to 2gig for personal reasons. So has my wife. Neither of us have been forced into doing so. They only see if you are actually mobile connected. Just remove the apn and never turn on data.
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You've been lucky then. I'm merely stating AT&T's official policy that all smartphones must have data plans, regardless of whether you are on contract with them or don't use any data whatsoever. There have been numerous posts over the past year or so here about AT&T customers being forced into data plans. However, there have also been mixed reports about some people being forced into tethering plans when attempting to tether for free through rooted/jailbroken devices, and others have been able to tether constantly without anything happening to them. I have no idea why AT&T's systems detect it for some people and not for others.
Although, even if you do get forced into a data plan, all you have to do is switch the SIM card back into a regular phone then call AT&T to have them remove the data plan and you will either not be charged at all or be charged a very small pro-rated amount. So there's really no risk in trying it.
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They could use the imei, but that would be more trouble than its worth to sift through them all.
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Their systems already check your IMEI automatically for other reasons. When you move your SIM card into another device, you can log onto the AT&T website and see that it shows the updated device attached to your phone (I think it takes up to 24 hours to update though).
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I used a smart phone for over 3 years with no data....but went to 2gig for personal reasons. So has my wife. Neither of us have been forced into doing so. They only see if you are actually mobile connected. Just remove the apn and never turn on data. They could use the imei, but that would be more trouble than its worth to sift through them all.
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See the bolded part? Since you were doing so, the didn't change your plan.
See here: http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/02/...phones-even-unlocked-ones-onto-smartphone-da/.
AT&T tells us that this policy has been in place since last September; folks who haven't changed phones since then are still grandfathered
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See the bolded part? Since you were doing so, the didn't change your plan.
See here: http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/02/...phones-even-unlocked-ones-onto-smartphone-da/.
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So I guess they are cracking down on the newer people. I have been with at&t since they were cingular so I guess I was and have been grandfathered in for a while.
In short for the OP question.... Do as Drumist says and try the sim in it. If they try and force you, then pull the sim.
On a side note.... At&t are being bullies aren't they. I have read of them trying this for people with international unlocked phones as well. That said.... It's their network to do with as they please.
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So I guess they are cracking down on the newer people. I have been with at&t since they were cingular so I guess I was and have been grandfathered in for a while.
In short for the OP question.... Do as Drumist says and try the sim in it. If they try and force you, then pull the sim.
On a side note.... At&t are being bullies aren't they. I have read of them trying this for people with international unlocked phones as well. That said.... It's their network to do with as they please.
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I've been using smart phones without data plans for nearly 6 years now, starting with the Treo 650, then the LG Incite (WM6), and now the Aria.
When I upgraded the phones, I simply put the old SIM into the new phone - never heard a peep from AT&T.
Maybe I'm lucky, but I have something on my account called "
Smartphone Exclusion", which I believe came with my plan on my first Cingular phone.
I have data opt-out on my feature list as well.
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I've been using smart phones without data plans for nearly 6 years now, starting with the Treo 650, then the LG Incite (WM6), and now the Aria.
When I upgraded the phones, I simply put the old SIM into the new phone - never heard a peep from AT&T.
Maybe I'm lucky, but I have something on my account called "
Smartphone Exclusion", which I believe came with my plan on my first Cingular phone.
I have data opt-out on my feature list as well.
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My situation is nearly identical I think. I've been through a couple of Blackberries and now the Aria, all without a data plan and haven't had any issues.
Your experience may vary is the bottom line I guess.
ok so i bought the UK version of the Galaxy S3...i was told by many since AT&T can't recognize the uk version of the phone, i can sign up for the 10/month unlimited data plan...so i called them yesterday and gave them my dummy phones ime number...everything was good all day phone worked great..but i just got home and i got an email saying that my "iphone" doesn't have the proper data package and changed it to the 30 month/3 gig plan...so i'm confused...did they know i was using a smart phone??
maybe i screwed up not giving them the galaxy s3's ime number?
Doesn't matter what country it's from they can still enter your ImeI and know what you using.
Lets hope AT&T doesn't do as they did with the N1 and go after the medianet users.
You are SOL, it appears in this case your phone IMEI algorithm is in the ATT IMEI sweeps. They have the UK SGS III flagged as an iPhone just as they had the white Galaxy Note flagged as a blackberry.
this is a hit or miss thing. Best thing to do is give them an imei of a dumb phone from AT&T. Been running with that on my GNote.
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this is a hit or miss thing. Best thing to do is give them an imei of a dumb phone from AT&T. Been running with that on my GNote.
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Yeah that's what I did do. I never gave them the s3's imei number. Gave them the imie of and old Samsung I had.
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IMEI ranges are openly available and AT&T has the capability to scan for devices that fall within and then compare those to the data plan. The only thing that has stopped them from doing this wholesale is that it requires a great deal of resources and they have chosen to stick with the money. Otherwise there would not be anyone doing the medianet gambit without an IMEI spoof. The situation with the N1 was different in that they publicly stated they were going after Google and did so, it was a shot across their bow saying do not screw with our subbed phone system by getting into the business of selling unlocked phones to our customers. If they have decided to take this course with the sgs3 you will know soon enough as there will be many reporting that they were kicked to smartphone data but it would not be business as usual up to this time.
The other way that people get caught is that they are flagged at the time of making the switch by the csr and it sounds like this might be what happened here since this is the only report of it so far.
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ok so i bought the UK version of the Galaxy S3...i was told by many since AT&T can't recognize the uk version of the phone, i can sign up for the 10/month unlimited data plan...so i called them yesterday and gave them my dummy phones ime number...everything was good all day phone worked great..but i just got home and i got an email saying that my "iphone" doesn't have the proper data package and changed it to the 30 month/3 gig plan...so i'm confused...did they know i was using a smart phone??
maybe i screwed up not giving them the galaxy s3's ime number?
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Very strange, you are the first person I've heard who has this issue.
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Yeah its all good now. I called and even they were stumped why. I re-added it and so far it hasn't changed back again
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Hi all, I was just wondering (and this could very well be a ridiculously stupid question, I'm sorry) if there was any way to make it so that AT&T cannot tell that one is using their Galaxy S2? I want to give the phone to my dad to use but we don't want to add another data plan to our family account. I know that when a SIM is in an AT&T smartphone, they can tell what phone it is, and will promptly add a data plan to the line. Is there anyway to prevent that at all? Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
In short, no. Its required to have a data package. But I've heard of people being able to get around this sometimes.
Even if you turn data off completely they will know it's a SGS2 by the IMEI and attach a data plan.
Data plans should be pertinent to the contract for the phone. I would assume that by unlocking the phone and just popping his sim in it, he'd be just fine. Could be wrong, though.
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Data plans should be pertinent to the contract for the phone. I would assume that by unlocking the phone and just popping his sim in it, he'd be just fine. Could be wrong, though.
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I believe as long as the IMEI is in AT&T's database, they will be able to recognize it and attach a data plan. Although, I've always wondered if they flag your account only if they see any data activity. I've done research on this before, and I've read people getting letters saying at&t will put them on a data plan for having a smart phone. Not sure if they were using any data at all though to begin with. My wife currently has an i777 and she's just using it as a tablet basically (without a sim card inside it). At&t has a feature phone on file for her with data block. I was thinking of putting a sim into her i777 and see what happens if i just keep data disabled.
If the phone is in their database like the i777 is, then they will add the plan automatically after some time
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Wouldn't it be essentially an off contract phone for the new user, though? I'm honestly curious about this. I pop my sim from my i777, to my nexus pretty regularly, and I definitely only have a single data plan charge for the i777's on contract plan.
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Wouldn't it be essentially an off contract phone for the new user, though? I'm honestly curious about this. I pop my sim from my i777, to my nexus pretty regularly, and I definitely only have a single data plan charge for the i777's on contract plan.
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Is the nexus unbranded?
Edit: Actually, it wouldn't matter. It's the same sim card being used.
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Wouldn't it be essentially an off contract phone for the new user, though? I'm honestly curious about this. I pop my sim from my i777, to my nexus pretty regularly, and I definitely only have a single data plan charge for the i777's on contract plan.
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Has nothing to do with a device being locked.
If AT&T sees a device on their network that they have exclusivity to then they will add a data plan to your account. Completely different than swapping Sims between phones when you already have a data plan. Off contact or not, if they see the imei touch their network the plan will get added. Don't think it happens immediately, but it will get added. If you want to use a smartphone on AT&T and not pay for data you have to use a phone that is not in their database.
The galaxy nexus, any unlocked Rogers phone, unlocked devices that work on AT&T networks. Any gsm device that AT&T does not have in their lineup
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Ps. Stop thinking about your plan in terms of contract being tied to a device. It doesn't work like that except in blackberries.
Just because you bought a phone on contract does not tie you to that phone and your account is not really tied to that phone. It was just a way to get you to sign a contract. You could have signed a contract and not bought any device. Device and contract are not mutual
Pirate beat me to it. Was gonna say the same thing lol.
You can buy a phone on contract, sell it and pop the SIM into your old phone. You won't be able to get warranty repair on your old phone, but this scenario process that your contract and plan are tied to your SIM and not the phone itself.
Phone companies don't make their money off the phones, they make their money on the contract.
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Thought I'd drop this here as an fyi. I'm friends with some people who work for AT&T. If u ask nicely, they may change out the IMEI number they have in their database for your phone with an IMEI from a non smart phone device. If u turn OFF your data and never use it then and only use WiFi, my understanding is they won't tag u for a data plan. I've never tried it....but a friend of mine did and didn't get nailed. You'd have to kinda be friendly with the AT&T rep tho
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Thought I'd drop this here as an fyi. I'm friends with some people who work for AT&T. If u ask nicely, they may change out the IMEI number they have in their database for your phone with an IMEI from a non smart phone device. If u turn OFF your data and never use it then and only use WiFi, my understanding is they won't tag u for a data plan. I've never tried it....but a friend of mine did and didn't get nailed. You'd have to kinda be friendly with the AT&T rep tho
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Couldn't you just take out your sim card, put it in a feature phone, call up at&t and give them the IMEI of that phone? That's what I've done, but haven't dared to put the sim back into my other i777 yet.
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Couldn't you just take out your sim card, put it in a feature phone, call up at&t and give them the IMEI of that phone? That's what I've done, but haven't dared to put the sim back into my other i777 yet.
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Maybe. Like I said I'm hearing this second hand. But what u said would probably accomplish the same thing.
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dsmboost said:
Couldn't you just take out your sim card, put it in a feature phone, call up at&t and give them the IMEI of that phone? That's what I've done, but haven't dared to put the sim back into my other i777 yet.
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No, the second they ping your phone your ****ed, it'll default back to the i777 . Haven't you read threads of people messing up their imei on their phones and ATT stopping service to their phone because of no or a blacklisted generic imei. Try it out, put your sim in a older phone and check online on your ATT account,it'll show that phone after awhile. Then pop the sim back in your i777, and after some time it'll recognize your using it again.
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No, the second they ping your phone your ****ed, it'll default back to the i777 . Haven't you read threads of people messing up their imei on their phones and ATT stopping service to their phone because of no or a blacklisted generic imei. Try it out, put your sim in a older phone and check online on your ATT account,it'll show that phone after awhile. Then pop the sim back in your i777, and after some time it'll recognize your using it again.
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I assumed that's what would happen.
My wife is currently using my old Samsung Focus without a data plan. AT&T even at one point mentioned that they know she has a smartphone, and they didn't do anything about it.
if you mistakenly wipe the EFS folder the IMEI goes to a generic GSM IMEI and that will prevent them from recognizing it as a i-777. i mistakenly wiped the EFS folder on my galaxy tab and popped my sim in it and used it as a phone for a while...
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No, the second they ping your phone your ****ed, it'll default back to the i777 . Haven't you read threads of people messing up their imei on their phones and ATT stopping service to their phone because of no or a blacklisted generic imei. Try it out, put your sim in a older phone and check online on your ATT account,it'll show that phone after awhile. Then pop the sim back in your i777, and after some time it'll recognize your using it again.
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they never blocked my phone with the generic IMEI...
When i bought my note II, i just took it home in the box from VZ and then stuck the sim card from my galaxy 3 into it and i was good to go immediately.
Now, I want to give the G3 to my wife to replace her aging droid charge but that has the bigger sim card.
Do I just go to VZ and ask for a new smaller sim?? She has unlimited data and I don't want to take any chance on screwing that up??
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When i bought my note II, i just took it home in the box from VZ and then stuck the sim card from my galaxy 3 into it and i was good to go immediately.
Now, I want to give the G3 to my wife to replace her aging droid charge but that has the bigger sim card.
Do I just go to VZ and ask for a new smaller sim?? She has unlimited data and I don't want to take any chance on screwing that up??
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Sorry I don't have any information to help you, but did you purchase your Note II at full retail price?
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Just call them and tell them you need a sim card for your wife phone... give them her phone number and let them know that all you need is the sim card, that your not upgrading or anything . That you just need a sim card. I bought my note 2 and I was on a s3. My note 2 didnt come with sim so I had to use my s3 sim card. I went to the vzw store and told them I need a sim card for my s3 just in case I wanted to add the s3 and they gave me one.
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Sorry I don't have any information to help you, but did you purchase your Note II at full retail price?
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Yes I did, so I wouldn't lose my unlimited data package.
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Yes I did, so I wouldn't lose my unlimited data package.
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Just stop by any Verizon store and explain your story and they will sell you one for about $12 +/- and you'll be good to go. It won't affect your unlimited data. :good:
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Just stop by any Verizon store and explain your story and they will sell you one for about $12 +/- and you'll be good to go. It won't affect your unlimited data. :good:
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Its no big deal, but I thought they where free from VZ??
A new SIM card should be free. Call them up and tell them you have a new phone to use on your line but need a smaller SIM, or just stop by a store and get one. Shouldn't take long and shouldn't affect your data plan either. It may take a few hours to restore full service once you get the new SIM though, just be aware of this.
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A new SIM card should be free. Call them up and tell them you have a new phone to use on your line but need a smaller SIM, or just stop by a store and get one. Shouldn't take long and shouldn't affect your data plan either. It may take a few hours to restore full service once you get the new SIM though, just be aware of this.
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Cool, thanks
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Im not sure if this is where I should be asking this question but I have searched the threads and cant really find the answers Im looking for so here goes and Im going to run through my whole scenario. I have acct with verizon with 2 "dumb phones" on it. I am doing an AOL shortly to aquire a Unlimited data acct. I purchased a used Verizon Galaxy S4 a while back which I was going to switch to Straight talk but decided to get the Unlimited instead (no options where I live) so I have been basically using as a tablet since. When I first bought the phone I checked the MIED and ESN on line as well as if reported lost/stolen...all came up good. Then I called Verizon to check and was told it was good and clear. As I said I have been using for a bit as a tab while I figured what I was going to do. Now that I have found an Unlimited and will aquire it shortly I called Verizon again to make sure all is good and can just activate phone when I get other acct. They told me #s are good and clear but phone is still active on another acct. How can this be? I have had it for at least a few months...what can I do to clear this? Can I simply pop in the sim from the Unlimited acct I am getting or can I get a cheap 4G LTE phone, activate it and then pop sim in the S4? NEED SOME ADVICE HERE! Thanks.
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Im not sure if this is where I should be asking this question but I have searched the threads and cant really find the answers Im looking for so here goes and Im going to run through my whole scenario. I have acct with verizon with 2 "dumb phones" on it. I am doing an AOL shortly to aquire a Unlimited data acct. I purchased a used Verizon Galaxy S4 a while back which I was going to switch to Straight talk but decided to get the Unlimited instead (no options where I live) so I have been basically using as a tablet since. When I first bought the phone I checked the MIED and ESN on line as well as if reported lost/stolen...all came up good. Then I called Verizon to check and was told it was good and clear. As I said I have been using for a bit as a tab while I figured what I was going to do. Now that I have found an Unlimited and will aquire it shortly I called Verizon again to make sure all is good and can just activate phone when I get other acct. They told me #s are good and clear but phone is still active on another acct. How can this be? I have had it for at least a few months...what can I do to clear this? Can I simply pop in the sim from the Unlimited acct I am getting or can I get a cheap 4G LTE phone, activate it and then pop sim in the S4? NEED SOME ADVICE HERE! Thanks.
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Unless it's been reported lost/stolen you should be able to just put in the sim. When I bought a used S4 all I had to do was put in the sim from my older verizon lte phone and it switched over fine.
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Unless it's been reported lost/stolen you should be able to just put in the sim. When I bought a used S4 all I had to do was put in the sim from my older verizon lte phone and it switched over fine.
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Im getting the unlimited acct..but right now I just have 2 basic lines on my acct. The other account Im doing an AOL on I am not getting the phone with but he said he will give me the Sim. What if they sell that phone or switch it to a different acct...will that kill that even if I have put it into another phone? Sorry, just new to switching all this stuff around.
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Im getting the unlimited acct..but right now I just have 2 basic lines on my acct. The other account Im doing an AOL on I am not getting the phone with but he said he will give me the Sim. What if they sell that phone or switch it to a different acct...will that kill that even if I have put it into another phone? Sorry, just new to switching all this stuff around.
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Sims are tied to accounts, so if you're getting the account and the sim it should work in any clean verizon lte phone. I can't be 100% sure on that of course, but I'm fairly certain it will work fine.