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Ok, I have a great plan (this might have been discussed already) but here's my suggestion:
All Rom developers should charge for their work. I'm thinking maybe 3-5 dollars. and if its still in Work in Progress we can still be charged but don't charge for upgrades. This way the out of work developers can get something for their hard work. I just create images and that takes time. I can't even imagine how much time is spent on the roms.
Believe me I would pay for all you guys roms. Donations are great but not enough to inspire to create more roms or even spend time on them. I don't know if this is possible but you guys deserve a lot more credit.
thats my feelings on this issue.
I agree with you in principle, but it kind of defeats the purpose of open source and XDA, doesn't it?
johnny quest said:
Ok, I have a great plan (this might have been discussed already) but here's my suggestion:
All Rom developers should charge for their work. I'm thinking maybe 3-5 dollars. and if its still in Work in Progress we can still be charged but don't charge for upgrades. This way the out of work developers can get something for their hard work. I just create images and that takes time. I can't even imagine how much time is spent on the roms.
Believe me I would pay for all you guys roms. Donations are great but not enough to inspire to create more roms or even spend time on them. I don't know if this is possible but you guys deserve a lot more credit.
thats my feelings on this issue.
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That's a flattering sentiment but does rather contradict the core principles behind open source in general. If not for its openness and freely available source I doubt you would see the level of progress there has been in the android community.
I'm sure the devs themselves will chime in. Just my two friendly cents
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its not Necessary but its a nice gesture i dont want anyone feeling obligated ,, times are hard for everyone ,, but thank you
i don't know if you've noticed but most devs have a 'buy me a beer' link where you can donate if you wish. i know if i had a job i'd be donating $20 at a time or so depending on how much i was getting paid. until then its nice to know that even though i can't pay, i can still get the best. Google > Apple. it's not always about the money.
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i don't know if you've noticed but most devs have a 'buy me a beer' link where you can donate if you wish. i know if i had a job i'd be donating $20 at a time or so depending on how much i was getting paid. until then its nice to know that even though i can't pay, i can still get the best. Google > Apple. it's not always about the money.
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In most cases everything always comes down to money. Unless your living with your parents still or your younger then it's one thing but still at the end of the day most things come down to money.
I'll agree with you on Google > Apple
I own a Iphone4 and the Droid Eris and I still like the Eris hands down no matter what even though the Iphone4 runs everything very smooth the concept of android is far better than most apple users can ever be able to dream about.
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In most cases everything always comes down to money. Unless your living with your parents still or your younger then it's one thing but still at the end of the day most things come down to money.
I'll agree with you on Google > Apple
I own a Iphone4 and the Droid Eris and I still like the Eris hands down no matter what even though the Iphone4 runs everything very smooth the concept of android is far better than most apple users can ever be able to dream about.
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dear god that signature quote made my brain hurt just trying to read it.
Haha your signature is great. It made me laugh pretty hard.
And as for this discussion, I don't think they can MANDATE you pay for anything. Like it has been said, its open source and if people want to donate they will. I wish I had a job so I can donate, and as soon as I get one I know I will be. But for now I'm enjoying the work these guys are doing, and hope it continues.
I mean, we're getting Gingerbread on the Eris thanks to the devs here. That's two versions more than what the Eris was thought to get. That to me is incredible.
Oh yeah, I forgot about the open source. the donate link is nice to have and I am guilty of not using that to show appreciation. I will use it more frequently. The Eris is great but I'm stuck not able to load certain apps because it requires a higher than 2.1 version. I'm up for an update and looking into the Thunderbolt most likely. Hopefully there will be a thread on this phone for Roms in the future.
I agree, there should be a way for ROM makers to get paid for their time. Likely, its illegal or a breach of some sort of contract/agreement/gobbledygook somewhere.
The developer for my favorite Eris ROM's, Tazz is having back issues and can't work, so this very issue is very relevant. I make sure and send him donations whenever possible.
For now, just send your favorite ROM devs donations through the links provided.
It's nice idea that you guys want to give back but honestly if deving was a paid gig I don't think you would have as good as results. I do it myself cause I tinker by nature and like to help other people. You will get a better end product if you have a dev that does this cause he likes it and not just cause he want to make money. Look at the number of useless apps on the market cause people just want to make money. Nothing wrong with making money and I myself sell apps but roms are a different ballgame. Plus rom dev's rarely write code of their own except for the cyanogenmod team. We all use the source available to us or other peoples work. Plus if you got paid for your rom you wouldn't want competition so who would share their work. If work was not shared in this community then android would not be what it is....
GPL violation anyone?
You'd have to include the source code with said paid work, and post said paid work's source code publicly, not disallowing anyone from modifying it or redistributing it. Wouldn't last long.
Plus, if the devs charged, then the CM team would charge them, and the google would charge then......... it would end up being way more than 3-5 bucks.
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Plus, if the devs charged, then the CM team would charge them, and the google would charge then......... it would end up being way more than 3-5 bucks.
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+1
We'd have to throw some cash at the Hero devs too lol, and pretty much everyone that helped them,and on and on
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Good intentions! I am glad some people still think of the devs.
I have donated in the past, and will continue to do so. We are running GB on an Eris now! Without the devs, we would all be on Cupcake and hating it.
I'd like to take a second to thank the devs and the COMMUNITY as well. I have received lots of help here from regular joe's like me that are just looking for the latest and greatest, as well as the devs that make the magic happen.
We should all thank our lucky stars that we have been provided a place to share ideas, get help and help Android and other platforms evolve into new, fascinating and useful apps/OS's.
Thanks to the WHOLE community! I would pay each and every one of you if I could!
If you like something like this enough, why not do it for free? Especially in this kind of work.
There is not a single thing in open source licenses which prohibits people from charging for services rendered; it is a complete misrepresentation - and frankly a disservice to the Open Source community - to state that open source means "no money involved".
Open Source licenses only prohibit distribution of derivative works without also providing source code. As an example, it would be completely legal for someone to set up a paid web site where there is a charge to download the Linux source trees. In this (ridiculous) example, what is being paid for is the service - the license is satisfied because you are providing the source code.
Having said all that, note that "all of android" is not open source; in particular, the Google Apps, (HTC Sense, Motoblur, etc) and certain hardware-specific libraries are proprietary goods - even so-called "Pure AOSP" dev ROMs contain a small number of vendor libraries, which are technically illegal to redistribute.
I suspect that the legitimate owners of those goods turn a blind eye to small amounts of infringement because they can not monetize their legal actions (no blood from a turnip, etc); but also note that when infringement achieves a certain scale (as it did with CM and Google), they will certainly step in - the issue there has little to do with money; it's more about a legal principle of loss of rights due to failure to defend those rights in the face of significant infringement.
Charging people when you are infringing is a pretty sure way to get the attention of the infringed party.
bftb0
I use KaosFroyo on my Eris; I appreciate all of the work that has gone into it, and I have kicked some $$ back to Kaos for his efforts. That said, officially charging for ROMs sounds like a big mess for a bunch of reasons.
First off, how do you actually enforce it? Are we gonna set up some kind of ecommerce website? Do billing and customer service? It'll generate a bunch of tedious work that has nothing to do with actual ROM development, and paying someone else to do it would probably soak up all of the money. And are you going to sue and go after people who pirate it? But if you don't enforce it, then you pretty much have what you have now.
There's also the different expectations for a paid product. Right now, if some newbie can't figure something out and keeps posting stupid questions without reading the FAQ, then people can tell him to STFU/read the FAQ/release the Kraken/etc because it's a free product being developed by guys in their spare time that doesn't earn them much money. Start charging for it and you change that whole equation around - you now have to hold the newbies' hands or they'll scream for a refund and cause all sorts of trouble if they don't get it. Not to mention the liability - we know every now and then phones get bricked and data gets lost doing this stuff. If it's a paid product, then there may be legal liability for that in some markets. Who's gonna sort that out? Expensive lawyers?
Plus the other objections brought up regarding copyright/licensing of the proprietary libraries that are being used to make these ROMs.
Put it all together, and the current system seems like it's the best solution, even though the devs may not be getting as much money as they really deserve. So throw a few more bucks in the bucket for your favorite ROM.
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There is not a single thing in open source licenses which prohibits people from charging for services rendered; it is a complete misrepresentation - and frankly a disservice to the Open Source community - to state that open source means "no money involved".
Open Source licenses only prohibit distribution of derivative works without also providing source code. As an example, it would be completely legal for someone to set up a paid web site where there is a charge to download the Linux source trees. In this (ridiculous) example, what is being paid for is the service - the license is satisfied because you are providing the source code.
Having said all that, note that "all of android" is not open source; in particular, the Google Apps, (HTC Sense, Motoblur, etc) and certain hardware-specific libraries are proprietary goods - even so-called "Pure AOSP" dev ROMs contain a small number of vendor libraries, which are technically illegal to redistribute.
I suspect that the legitimate owners of those goods turn a blind eye to small amounts of infringement because they can not monetize their legal actions (no blood from a turnip, etc); but also note that when infringement achieves a certain scale (as it did with CM and Google), they will certainly step in - the issue there has little to do with money; it's more about a legal principle of loss of rights due to failure to defend those rights in the face of significant infringement.
Charging people when you are infringing is a pretty sure way to get the attention of the infringed party.
bftb0
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Conap said:
It's nice idea that you guys want to give back but honestly if deving was a paid gig I don't think you would have as good as results. I do it myself cause I tinker by nature and like to help other people. You will get a better end product if you have a dev that does this cause he likes it and not just cause he want to make money. Look at the number of useless apps on the market cause people just want to make money. Nothing wrong with making money and I myself sell apps but roms are a different ballgame. Plus rom dev's rarely write code of their own except for the cyanogenmod team. We all use the source available to us or other peoples work. Plus if you got paid for your rom you wouldn't want competition so who would share their work. If work was not shared in this community then android would not be what it is....
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IMHO, though there are many excellent views and points regarding all this posted in this thread, and the original intention was interesting, these two answers are the overall most complete and pertinent.
Way to go, guys!
ufmace said:
I use KaosFroyo on my Eris; I appreciate all of the work that has gone into it, and I have kicked some $$ back to Kaos for his efforts. That said, officially charging for ROMs sounds like a big mess for a bunch of reasons.
First off, how do you actually enforce it? Are we gonna set up some kind of ecommerce website? Do billing and customer service? It'll generate a bunch of tedious work that has nothing to do with actual ROM development, and paying someone else to do it would probably soak up all of the money. And are you going to sue and go after people who pirate it? But if you don't enforce it, then you pretty much have what you have now.
There's also the different expectations for a paid product. Right now, if some newbie can't figure something out and keeps posting stupid questions without reading the FAQ, then people can tell him to STFU/read the FAQ/release the Kraken/etc because it's a free product being developed by guys in their spare time that doesn't earn them much money. Start charging for it and you change that whole equation around - you now have to hold the newbies' hands or they'll scream for a refund and cause all sorts of trouble if they don't get it. Not to mention the liability - we know every now and then phones get bricked and data gets lost doing this stuff. If it's a paid product, then there may be legal liability for that in some markets. Who's gonna sort that out? Expensive lawyers?
Plus the other objections brought up regarding copyright/licensing of the proprietary libraries that are being used to make these ROMs.
Put it all together, and the current system seems like it's the best solution, even though the devs may not be getting as much money as they really deserve. So throw a few more bucks in the bucket for your favorite ROM.
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This was a pretty damn good answer, too, if you don't mind me saying.
I have some ideas for a heavily customized Android tablet for an industrial use. Most of the customizations involve taking things OUT and locking stuff down, durability a plus as well.
I sent a couple emails to Chinese companies but didn't get any response, and am also a bit worried about them stealing my ideas and running with 'em.
Any pointers/advice?
When your idea is greater then great then can you register your idea with patents.
But you need to know that patents are realy expensive and some company's copy all things what they see.
You can better search for a buddy who has knowledge for manufacture in China or an other cheap country.
know that big companies like Foxxcon make only big orders.
Yep, that's pretty much where I'm at right now. Not sure of how to proceed patent-wise and not really wanting to work with Chinese companies either way.
Cheap isn't paramount for this application, if anybody knows of any more local resources for android hardware I could talk to...
Only have time for a real quick reply right now to a very deep topic...
I would say your best bet is to look into various 'open source' models. Look at the the DIYdrone community. You can get Android running on a little ARM processor. Or for a turnkey dev solution:
liquidware.com/shop/show/BB-AND-DEV/Android+Hardware+Development+Kit
Throw it in a Pelican case and you've got yourself a proof-of-concept. Which is what you're gonna need to raise any venture capitol if you pick that route...
As far as patents... this can also get you some credibility with venture capitalists... you can file a patent yourself for pretty cheap but don't expect it to hold against any big boys though...
Good luck, there's a lot to learn, making a bunch of Engineering/Programming/Business friends and having your girl pick the outfit before the big pitch!
Cheers
Android on a chip
Hi koob,
Thanks for the useful reply. Do you have any additional tips on getting Android running on the simplest circuit possible?
Using phones for development is possible but not ideal as we're using some of the newer features of the OS (e.g. ADK), and unlocked phones supporting it are somewhat expensive.
I'm interested in two stages, prototyping (I couldn't find much in the DIYDrones community on this), and manufacturing (maybe companies like Shenzhen Xinkenmingteng Industry Technology on Alibaba could take a functional spec or a PCB design?).
Many thanks for your help.
Bump! I would also be interested in hearing more about this, as we want to develop a custom mobile monitoring device, using Android so as to save us the effort of writing firmware for the wireless communications, display, touchscreen, etc. Like TheCritic, we're interested in locking it down - replacing the OS's main functionality with some skin or app we write ourselves.
The Liquidware Android Hardware Development Kit is interesting, but has many things we don't need and misses a few things we do. We're just not sure where to begin choosing the hardware and working with the kernel, device drivers, etc. Any pointers would be very appreciated.
Any progress here?
I have a pretty similar situation. Having a cool idea that would need only a few features from android. Did you develop your platform? Or found someone who did it for you?
Nothing other than what's seen here, though there were more useful replies than I'd remembered to this thread!
Alright here's the deal. I have an app idea for a game that I plan on creating that is very simple, and I have a good feeling it will take off. My worries is that developing it will almost be pointless because of the lax android market policy. I am a new programmer, so my worry is I will make the app pretty decent, and some more experienced programmer will be able to duplicate it and make it better. This just doesn't seem right. I know this happens all the time (Fruit Slice, for example, is a Fruit Ninja knockoff and it's free).
Android is a love it/ hate it relationship. Users love being able to download just as good of knockoffs for free, but I'm sure this is a major turn off for developers who worked hard on their original idea's, just to have it undercut by another developer who will offer a similar (or even better app) for free. Part of me wishes I could just develop it for iOS, but I don't have a Mac or iPhone, and don't ever plan on getting one.
My question is, is there anyway to stop it? Like a patent, or something similar? This is my major hesitation to developing for android. I know I'm not going to be the best programmer out there, but it's the idea that make the apps, and that's where I feel like (I'm sure a lot of other people do too) I could do some contributing. Let me know how you guys feel about this
Anybody? 10Char
welcome to programming for any platform. There are (free) alternatives to almost every single program (android-based, windows-based, etc...)
I think you're in a very bad place to ask about that question. Programmers are usually not at all fond of patents since they tend to be overly broad, hard to detect and generally of low quality. (In case you haven't noticed that's also my opinion)
But yes, if that's what you want to do, a patent would be the way to go. Copyright protects your code, but not your idea.
Make it free. Put ads on it. If it takes off make an iOS one
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As far as I can remember, from my Intellectual Property Law class, software (i.e. apps) cannot be the subject of a patent. But of course, this changes from country to country.
Here are some links you might want to read up on:
http://www.wipo.int/patentscope/en/patents_faq.html#software
http://www.freibrun.com/articles/articl2.htm
Computer-based inventions... yeah, they're not supposed to be patentable: Not in the US and even less in the EU. The key point is how computer-based inventions is defined. The standard way around it is simply to patent "a machine doing XY" instead of "XY"
Basically, the patent clerks don't check for anything but formalities. I used to help out on the peertopatent platform, but it just became ridicolous because the clerks would let everything through no matter what prior art or explanations of obviousness we provided.
Patenting is the worst thing you can do. Don't you read all the patent BS going around lately? Also, spending money on a patent won't be enough, you'll also need to spent money enforcing it, and you won't make any friends by being a litigator.
All you can do is provide the best product you can come up with and hope for the best. If someone makes something similar but better, well, you'll just have to work harder. Or drop the whole thing.
But as others have said, you'll have this problem on *all* platforms. A practical example, when Nero released their burning app for Linux, my thought was "This is kinda cool, but why would I pay for Nero, when there's K3B and other apps that to the job, but are open source and free?"
The trick is to provide something others don't have. In the case of NeroLinux it's familiarity for ex-Windows folks or dual-booters. In your case it could be more features, better graphics, easier to navigate interface, regularly provided additional content... something in that direction.
The U.S. International Trade Commission today ordered an import ban on Motorola Mobility Android products, agreeing with Microsoft that the devices infringe a Microsoft patent on 'generating meeting requests' from a mobile device. The import ban stems from a December ruling that the Motorola Atrix, Droid, and Xoom (among 18 total devices) infringed the patent, which Microsoft says is related to Exchange ActiveSync technology.
Today, the ITC said in a 'final determination of violation' (PDF) that 'the appropriate form of relief in this investigation is a limited exclusion order prohibiting the unlicensed entry for consumption of mobile devices, associated software and components thereof covered by ... United States Patent No. 6,370,566 and that are manufactured abroad by or on behalf of, or imported by or on behalf of, Motorola.' Motorola (which is being acquired by Google) was the last major Android device maker not to pay off Microsoft in a patent licensing deal. Microsoft has already responded to the decision, saying it hopes Motorola will now reconsider."
Ha
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Roflmao. It's too bad Microsoft doesn't have a patent on locked bootloaders. :-D
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They'll pay.
Or, hey, how about this? Since this is a corporate thing that somebody like me will never use, why not only put it on a few business-class phones, and push the cost onto the consumer? Or, take it out of the phone, and sell it as an app? That way, those who want it can pay Motorola for the software and Microsoft for being a patent troll.
Also interesting to note that Microsoft now, as well as Apple, has sent a message to Android users that they are unable to openly compete (since they aren't giving away the software, they can't sell the same hardware as cheaply). That tells me that WP7 (as well as iOS) isn't a sustainable platform as long as Android is around. And I wouldn't bet against Google. I'd think it less wise to bet against Apple and Microsoft, but Google's got them in a panic.
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Roflmao. It's too bad Microsoft doesn't have a patent on locked bootloaders. :-D
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Thanks for the laugh haha.
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Kind of reminds me of the days when RedHat 5.1 was makin it big. At that time MS had like 93% of the OS market. I think they tried something similar against Linux. I remember by the time it was all over with Linux had like 6 or 7% of the OS market.
Some said 7%, what l's the big deal? Think about it. All those millions of PC's that were lost to Linux. It's about money and control and Gates was losing some. Same thing with Android phones. I think the "infringement" on activesync is bull. It's just another attempt by a greedy company not wanting to loose money.
My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
Seem Apple and Microsoft have team up to try and crush Android
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for what it is worth, googles purchase of Motorola was approved by chineese regulators with the requirement that Android stay open for at least 5yrs. That was the last remaining hurdle for purchase.
Hopefully google will improve motorola as well as the photon.
FernBch said:
It's about money and control and Gates was losing some. Same
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Well, can you tell me someone that has spent more money for the society than Gates (Roughly half of his fortune is in his foundation) and is still quite modest and down-to-earth?
(Just sayin that it's not fair to bash Gates)
Anyway, I hate those legal battles, too. I'd say stop crying and start developing innovative stuff to be competitive!!
Technology can't advance if ****ty companies like MS and Appple continue to claim every little thingy as theirs.
Android on the other hand continues to grow in popularity, because of its openness.
And it's getting better every day because users&devs can improve every aspect of it.
If you have iOS though, you're left at the mercy of apple. Nothing you can do 'bout that
I'd choose open source over proprietary bs any time
Dear Microsoft,
Please make Motorola release official kernel sources, drivers and other BS stuff.
And not to forget make them unlock the bootloders.
Getting things sorted out for couple of million $$$ isn't going to be a fair deal.
Make them pay for their evil work
Your's truly
Proud WinUbuntu User
iONEx said:
Technology can't advance if ****ty companies like MS and Appple continue to claim every little thingy as theirs.
Android on the other hand continues to grow in popularity, because of its openness.
And it's getting better every day because users&devs can improve every aspect of it.
If you have iOS though, you're left at the mercy of apple. Nothing you can do 'bout that
I'd choose open source over proprietary bs any time
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Because Android is of course completely open source and there is nothing proprietary about it, right?
Newsflash, buddy. Android as XDA knows it is not Android as the rest of the world knows it. As much as you'd love to think the world of smartphones revolves around XDA and it's open to everyone and it's amazing and beautiful and so simple, people who root and reflash are the minority and always will be. Android is not growing because of it's openness. It's growing because it doesn't cost anything and anyone can slap it on a ridiculously crappy phone and call it a "smartphone" and sell it on a high margin.
Please don't be fooled for one second into thinking that the use of Android outside of high-end devices is anything more than businesses trying to efficiently make money.
This is exactly the sort of arrogance from Android users that piss me off and sometimes make me a shamed to be a fan of Android. Microsoft and Google aren't doing anything less than what Google would do, but I have no doubt you people would all bow down to Google if Google attacked Microsoft or Apple, because of course that's ok.
You can sit there for ages smack-talking Apple and Microsoft as much as you want, but the truth is simple; as awesome as Android is, it's full of patent-infringing stuff, and will continue to be for a long time. The only reason it doesn't bother you is because you're all Android fans.
Microsoft had every right to do what they did, for the longest time they were perfectly content with just taking license fees on every Android device made. Was it a bit slimy for them to do it recently instead of much earlier? Obviously, but then again, Google pushed out an operating system without full understanding what they were creating.
I'm thankful for Android, but Android is not god. Google is not perfect. They infringed and they got burned for it. This is what happens in the business world. The way IP works does not change just because you are a fan of the "victim" company.
I came into this thread hoping for mature conversation about what happened, but it seems everyone has decided they're industry experts and that Android's quality as an operating system has anything to do with its status as patent-infringing or not.
Sad.
I agree with you, except one thing.
There are many nonsense patents, all these companies got patented for some reason, I do not understand.
Maybe one day, you won't be able to plant some kind of a flower, because it's growing too fast and someone has patent, that this kind of flower cannot grow faster, because he has patent, that only his way is the right way and you will pay for it, that you know it.
Just a symbolic example. ;-)
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I agree with you, except one thing.
There are many nonsense patents, all these companies got patented for some reason, I do not understand.
Maybe one day, you won't be able to plant some kind of a flower, because it's growing too fast and someone has patent, that this kind of flower cannot grow faster, because he has patent, that only his way is the right way and you will pay for it, that you know it.
Just a symbolic example. ;-)
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Monsanto?
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Lol...
No.
I am currently looking to change companies in my career path. I had a potential interview with a company, and it seemed like what I wanted to do.
I got the following email:
Brad,
Jeff cancelled the interview for tomorrow. I guess he found a video you
have on UTUBE to hack into cell phones. He wasn't very happy when he
found it.
If I can give you some advice don't put anything on the web that people
can find. These companies now of days turn over every rock they can find.
Sorry,
Dan
This BLEW my mind! So, I quickly looked at my YouTube channel, and this was the only one about phones that I could find:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=101Guli2_yE
This was the 1st ROM that I was ever a part of. I felt such joy and achievement that I could help create something like this! So, anyway, being the smart-a$$ that I am, this was my response!:
Dan, I have NEVER made a video on YouTube to hack into cell phones. I made a video about a Motorola Triumph that we installed Ice Cream Sandwich, which is Googles 2nd latest Operating System. If anything, this is one of my greatest achievement in my professional life....we used Google's source code, rewrote it for our particular phone, and applied and booted the phone. We did not 'hack into it' as you put it, and this is the reason why Google is open-source so people can learn and apply the software to different devices.
Here is the link... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=101Guli2_yE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
And if your client thinks any part of this is wrong, then shame on them. Now, if your client feels that open-source software should be grounds for not accepting an interview, I advise that he/she look up the meaning of 'open-source'.
Thanks
Sent from Nexus 4
And this is what I sent to the guy who cancelled the interview:
Jeffrey, Dan told me that you wanted to cancel the interview because I 'hack into phones'....if you think this is hacking into phones, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cign5OLUdZt8pQJhVEYpgYSthO9JW5SZeZogNNuG0gg/edit then you should not be a decision maker in ANY business. As you may or probably not know, there is TONS of developers like myself working on Android software. It is not hacking, and is embraced by a lot of people online. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631260
Along with g60madman, he and I stayed up all weekend and ported Google's OPEN-SOURCE software to our phone. We were trying to give back to the community. I mean, this completely blew my mind, and you are already being made fun of EVERYWHERE.
Thanks for nothing, and I could not imagine working for a dum-dum like yourself.
Good day.
I just wanted the development community to know that this ignorance is still out there. I do not consider what we did to be malicious in ANY way, illegal, or immoral, and most of all, grounds to cancel an interview!
Please dev's, let this ignoramous know that the Android community is strong!