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Hi all,
We all know that rSAP is not supported by Android
Those with carkits (VW, Audi, etc) with this profile cannot use their Android phone. A massive disappointment.
What will it take to get someone write some code to get this bluetooth profile to work on - for starters - the basic Froyo code for Nexus?
I'd be happy to kick off a project with a $150 donation or an HTC Hero (such as for testing).
Assuming we can get more people together who are interested in this (I am positive!), the big question remains - who would be able to write the required code?
MC
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We need rSAP
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In Android issue 4402 (not permitted to post outside links, just go to the google code page and search for 4402) about the rSap profile some people are reporting that the Samsung Galaxy S (I9000) does have the rSap profile and does successfully connect to VW/Audi premium carkits.
In the Galaxy S forums are some roms (including a MCR rom for the Galaxy S) ... so there might be some possibility to port some code from the Galaxy S to the Nexus One
TFox said:
In Android issue 4402 (not permitted to post outside links, just go to the google code page and search for 4402) about the rSap profile some people are reporting that the Samsung Galaxy S (I9000) does have the rSap profile and does successfully connect to VW/Audi premium carkits.
In the Galaxy S forums are some roms (including a MCR rom for the Galaxy S) ... so there might be some possibility to port some code from the Galaxy S to the Nexus One
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Thanks, I found it and repeated my post there as well.
I really hope that someone can come up with something. Surely, as you say it works on the Galaxy S, one must be able to get this to work on the Nexus One, or any other Android phone for that matter.
Hoping to see some more replies here! Or maybe a recommendation of a programmer who might be able to do this.
Cheers, MC
Hi, I have the RSAP working on an Samsung galaxy i9000 wich my Audi built in car phone. The only hing bugging is the sync of phonebok. It synces alright, but with phone conacts only. It took me a while to realize that phone conacts and my primarily used exchange contact list are two different things in this setting. First I had believed it synces only sim contacts. While this is not the problem, I have not found a way yet to "replicate" the synced exchange contacts or map them to the phone phonebok from business contacts, wich would make them visible to the carphone via rSAP.
maybe someone here knows a solution or an app that would solve this? The rSAP itself works, as Samsung has implemented it into the Galaxy i9000.
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App
I will exceed the OP's donation and donate $151 who ever manages to crack the rSAP on Android. Samsing just made the sourcecode (search: Samsung releases Captivate source code) so there seems to also be a ZIP file for the GT-I9000 (European Samsung Galaxy S).
I am stuck with TouchHD for my VW PremiumGSM, and would love to get an Android.
Cheers and keep it up devs!!
+1!
plz, an app for rsap on n1!
Android on GSM... maybe, but limited; CDMA not likely
According to a post 4402, "rSAP allows different devices to connect to your mobile's SIM Card to read your contacts etc. The car than uses its own antenna and gsm Module to call. The mobile phone goes in a stand by mode which needs very low energy."
If this is true, then your rSAP-bluetooth connection is actually hijacking your sim card ID and using it to place calls and receive calls through the car's integrated GSM radio, and not actually synching as it seems. In this case (in the US), there is no Verizon or Sprint fix because neither network uses SIM card (chip based ID profiles) technology, and furthermore, both their networks are CDMA and therefore incompatible with Bentley, VW and Audi GSM modules. If the connection could be bridged, the car's GSM radio would be seeking access to a network the CDMA user is not subscribed to.
So the definitive end is that as long as you have a VAG auto, you better have an rSAP GSM phone to use with it.
Ironically, Apple iPhones are GSM and they have had a longstanding good relationship with VAG, so I am surprised to find them boxed out of compatibility with Audi and VW especially. I am not certain, but it could have something to do with Apple's unique provisioning architecture is as much as they do not have a readily accessible SIM card (or battery), and in doing so, they are not respecting the need for SIM portability.
When I worked at a multi-carrier mobile phone reseller years ago, I briefly had a SIM-card based phone that I could then take the SIM card from and insert it into any GSM phone (from the same carrier) and use that phone to place and receive calls. This same migration can be effected in CDMA technology, but only through over-the-air provisioning, and that process is not as immediate as the rSAP SIM takeover process seems to be.
I'll keep looking into this matter, but perhaps the upgrade we should be barking for is to have VAG integrate support for the same bluetooth profile (HFP) that BMW does. BMWs from 2007 on with bluetooth will connect to my Droid X all day. rSAP just overtakes your SIM id and uses it to place and receive calls on the car's GSM radio. Of course it also can access a portion of your Address Book, but after that, you are stuck with the features offered in your car's radio and no longer have full utility of your Droid phone features and apps, etc. As a result, Google Voice search will be a non-starter for Android rSAP unless the car's GSM radio is actually running Android OS as well. And how likely is that...
maybe this could help?
http://allforfreelancers.com/getafr...Android-iPhone-J2ME-Nokia-Symbian-726296.html
Rsap works..but no Bluetooth audio
Hi,
I got my I9000 working on my Premium Bluetooth in my VW Passat. However I cannot figure out how to get the Bluetooth Audio (in the Media Secion of the car display) working. I have enabled it in settings in the car. AUX works, SD-card works.. but bluetooth audio I just cannot figure out.
Does any1 know?
I have a NTG1 Comand in my Mercedes, and the rSAP conection works like charme, with the SGS(2.2.1 jpy).
Only thing that not works is the PBAP so only my sim card contacs r listed!
Mike
tommylad said:
Hi,
I got my I9000 working on my Premium Bluetooth in my VW Passat. However I cannot figure out how to get the Bluetooth Audio (in the Media Secion of the car display) working. I have enabled it in settings in the car. AUX works, SD-card works.. but bluetooth audio I just cannot figure out.
Does any1 know?
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Hi, Bluetooth Audio works exactly as it works with bluetooth headset: you need to launch a music player on the phone and then the audio will be transfered to your car's speakers. I just got my new VW Touran and SGS works almost fine with it (having troubles with the contacts with emails, which are not synced to the car). I think I'm going to get an SDHC card for my music (Media-IN works great with a usb drive).
Cheers
Dears, why WP8 bluetooth currently does not support SIM Access Profile (SAP, SIM, rSAP) for handsfree cars?!..
This is the issue that Microsoft needs to explain -> why in WP8, SAP does not get supported.
This is basic functionality that worked natively in previous Microsoft phone/mobile versions and made many of users like me to continue with MS OS and not moving to Android OS or iOS. Why am I so acid? Because I use my car handsfree a lot and now I need to pick up my Lumia 920 and operate directly the phone. The result is that my car handsfree in now reduced to a headset. My wife has the same issue with a Nokia Lumia 820.
With Android (v4.1.1) and a 6" screen chinese dual sim phone ($US 180!! sent to my home), I have better results!! I keep asking myself why I continue to insist with Microsoft....
Guess what? Just installed the latest WP8 upgrade and nothing, the bluetooth issues remain.
Any idea on the date for the new update release?
I have no trouble with bluetooth and my car, my 920 integrates perfectly with it, I see all my contacts and call log, I can press a button and tell it to call a number or contact. After the update yesterday. It even read out a sms I received while I was driving, then I was asked if I wanted to reply to it and successfully replied.
I don't know what more that you would want?
Perhaps your car's bluetooth needs to be upgraded to work with the latest phones?
Hi Peter56, then you're a lucky person!
I invite you to visit the WindowsPhone.com forum and have a quick look at the bluetooth section. You will find hundreds of complains from users like you and me where the WP8 OS is unable to sync contacts, phone lists (received calls), ...etc.
I have an Audi A6 (2007) and Audi already announced that won't upgrade their system because it works fine with all other OS's.
The car costed €70k+ and the phone €600, so it's easy what will be dropped off....
rSAP is not supported in most newer Smartphones (I believe the exception currently is Samsung) because it is using a GSM receiver installed directly in the car which means the Radio in the phone turns off. This disables all data connections on the Phone.
I guess unless the rSAP profile is extended to support data connections this situation won't change anytime soon.
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Dears, why WP8 bluetooth currently does not support SIM Access Profile (SAP, SIM, rSAP) for handsfree cars?!..
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Hands free calling over BT works for me in GM, Toyota, Hyundi, and Nissan cars.
The HFP is the one needed for Hands Free use in a Car. This is the profile every phone supports.
rSAP is fairly uncommon, one would say rare, so not supporting it is hardly a deal killer for WP8. For example, the iPhone also doesn't support rSAP, and other than a few Audi owners, no one else seems to care.
Well, after the update provided by Microsoft (8.0.10211.204), my issues with BT are gone. I have again a handsfree system instead of a headset. I can sync calls lists and phone books.
My Nokia Lumia 920 is now able to deal with my business life. Have fun!
Hi all. Has anyone tried to pair with a car?
I'm trying to pair with a Kia Sorento. It's looks like it pairs OK and then shows connected but the car doesn't acknowledge that it is connected.
I'll continue to test but wanted to know if anyone else had success. I'll try with other bluetooth devices as well. Please post your experiences with Bluetooth.
Thanks for the ROM update and thanks for your responses.
Well, I've successfully paired and used several different bluetooth devices. Didn't think I had this many:
- bluetooth mouse
- bluetooth keyboard with built-in trackpad
- OBD II reader
- Music headset
I have a phone headset and my car. It looks like both of these pair but don't connect properly. The headset is for phone profile only. After pairing, clicking on it does nothing. Doesn't even try to pair. For my car, it pairs and I'm able to enter the pass-phrase/key but then it doesn't connect.
It looks like there is an issue connecting to devices that use the phone profile. When looking at the settings for the paired items, there is a profile for phone audio. It has a checkbox which is not checked and is disabled...cannot check it.
I'll post screen captures when I get a chance.
Thank you
It looks like the HFP (hands free protocol) is needed for using a headset on a mobile phone as in the case of a earpiece or to use a car as a hands free for a mobile phone as well.
It looks like Blues does not support HFP. There is mention of an oFono project that works with Blues to support HFP but no mention of Android support. I also found some mention of Blues adding that support. Maybe it's available and needs to be configured. Didn't dig too far into it and I'm not that familiar with these technologies.
Hopefully, one of the devs can follow up on this or another group has done it or figured out how to do it.
I'll keep looking and will post if/when I find anything.
FYI, Bluez just released a new version April 12th.
I found some configuration files in /system/etc/Bluetooth
The audio.conf file has several settings referring to headset and hfp. I tried some variations but no luck. Good news is that it looks like Bluez supports headset and hfp out of the box/built-in.
More testing needed.
I also read that after changing settings you will have to unpair and repair your device to pick up the change.
I wonder what the stock files have?
It looks like, ideally, there are other profiles that should be there to have a good experience. PBAP, phone book access protocol, is needed for transferring contacts, for example.
it fix on next release, but have reboot afte call =(
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it fix on next release, but have reboot afte call =(
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So my reboot after a call is related to bluetooth headset. Right?
Any ideas about overcoming this?
Hello all,
I'm after a little bit of guidance on how I might add Bluetooth support to an Android powered Car stereo. It is a "Road Veles" single DIN WinCE and Android device with a 7" flip out screen. The reason I bought this stereo is to run an app by the name of MSDroid. This app was to connect to my vehicle's engine management system via Bluetooth.
Can't post links yet, easy search on Google for Road Veles, look for hit on Chinavasion
The specs say it has Bluetooth, but having tested the device out on the work bench what the specs don't say is that the bluetooth is only accessible for handsfree from WinCE, there is no bluetooth for Android. WiFi via USB dongle works great. I have purchased but not yet received a combined WiFi and Bluetooth dongle. I would very much like to have this combined dongle work with the device. The Bluetooth control is not visible under WiFi control inside settings like it is in my Android phone.
Can anybody point me in the direction of where to start with this? Can I root the device and mod to add bluetooth? Is there another ROM I could run? I have done a lot of searching but can't see much at all out in internet land on this stereo!
Any help greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance,
Arran
Hi, I'm not sure how these sort of things usually work, what sort of dollar value would usually be associated with making a some tweaks to an Android build? ...
Hi again, still looking into this. Any ideas how to tweak the Android 4.0.4 OS to make bluetooth appear inside the settings menu?
Hi Everyone, I'm new here - just made an account because I cannot figure this problem out. I just started playing around with Xposed and I LOVE it by the way! but unfortunately that's not why I'm here. I have a Headrush bluetooth headset, it's great, has a built in mic, a2dp & works for calls even on a old ipod touch 4th gen for some reason though, my Lenovo a-5500f a8 ideatab running android 4.4.2 won't read the mic, I only have the media option, no call option.
I don't know what to do. there's like nothing at all on this, I read ONE forum that someone was experiencing my problem, and the only answer was that it's most likely because it's a WiFi tablet & wasn't meant to make phone calls on. I love my tablet & my headphones & would really be blown away if I could find a solution to this. I'm good with Linux & Windows, just learning Android stuff & it's really similar to Linux so it's not too far off, but I'm so clueless on this..
So an overview: my tablet won't detect the mic/phone call protocol for this headset, the headset works 100% on all other devices except for my new tablet.. I also have a few USB OTG's, is it possible I could perhaps run another bluetooth through a OTG? SixAxis works great, I can connect a controller, but not this mic..
any brainstorming to this helps, thank you.
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