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OKay, so this is my first android phone, coming from an Iphone 4 and let me tell you im about 80% disappointed.
Here are some problems im having, im hoping that you can help me turn that 80 into a 20.
1. Apps just randomly run in the background: I'll close all but my live background, my task manager and my alarm clock and go to sleep. When I wake up almost EVERY SINGLE app I have is running in the background. Why? How do I stop this, the Iphone never did this, I feel this is a hard fail on androids part.
2. Many apps force close while im trying to use them: Ive tried stock rom, and serenity 8, same apps same issues. Its becoming a turn off to use the phone for any apps.
3. Multitasking: Is there any? MOST of the time when I switch apps and "multitask" its just like having the app open at the start page, I dont have to reload the app but its not where I last left it like the Iphone. Even on web pages I find if I switch out of the web and go to another app if I return to the web im back at my home page and I have to go to my history just to get back where I was. Is there a way for me to fix this?
4: Ram usage: when I turn my phone off, then on I see 150 in the used ram. This number raises even with out opening any apps. I kill all apps and close all running programs I see nothing running except services and it raises as high as 600 mb with 0 apps open and nothing running except a live background and the task manager. My iphone never had a memory leak, how do I fix this? 600 mb to do nothing is a bit excessive.
As a software developer im really confused as how Google tricked everyone that android was good. Perhaps Im just uninformed and that is why I am here. I am wondering why there would be all these problems right out of the box on an item that is what 4th 5th generation? These are problems that shouldnt be as frequent in 1st and 2nd generations. Any help would be wonderful thank you.
1. this question has been asked a million times. In short, the Android OS handles memory much different than you'd expect. An app will appear as running after you close it but it may not be. Android just keeps that memory allocated to that app in case you need to use it again. But if the OS needs that memory for something else, it will release it from that app and use it for something else.
2. what apps FC on you?
3. i'll leave this for someone else to explain because I dont use the browser much so I dont have much experience with that.
4. this goes along with my answer for #1. Android OS likes to have its memory allocated but it doesnt mean those apps are running.
I might be a little off on my explanation so I'll leave it to the experts to clarify but i'm pretty sure i'm fairly accurate.
1/4 - Not deficiencies, Android is designed that way. If an app is resident in memory, it is more readily accessible. Some badly written apps DO more than just sit there in the task list - but most are OK. Sitting in memory is not bad - holding a wakelock or showing up in your battery usage is.
2 - No clue - not having this problem here. I haven't seen an FC in a few weeks, and the last one was my own fault. What apps?
3) This depends on the app. However, usually the browser returns to wherever I last was when I use it. In fact I wish it were easier to "go home"...
3) Matter of using the right button. Close the app with the home button, and restart it where it left off. Back out of the app with the back button, and start over.
List off apps that FC on me Both stock and Serenity 8:
Alarm Clock Plus
Chase
email
Gmail
hootsuite
maps
market
netflix
qik
web
Also no matter how I work the web 60% of the time I start back at my home page.
Lastly to do anything on android it seems like a process, just to switch from one app to another I have to do this, then that, then this, now im on my other app... Iphones multitasking is button click im there. Is there a multitasking app that works kinda like iphones? I really like the tray that holds ALL my open apps. Im trying hard to like this phone and android but being able to customize and have widgets just does not seem like it is worth it. Unless there are some really big secrets im missing.
Thank you all for the answers as well!
i really dont know what to tell you about the FC's because none of those FC on me ... whether I was stock or not. That just doesnt sound right. If you're stock, it shouldn't be FC'ing at all. I can understand if you're rooted and running S8 or some other ROM. Maybe something happened during the flash but stock should be fine.
I'm also trying out the browser on my phone and if I load a random website, go home, open another app and go back to the browser, its still on the last page I viewed.
DKS1282 said:
List off apps that FC on me Both stock and Serenity 8:
Alarm Clock Plus
Chase
email
Gmail
hootsuite
maps
market
netflix
qik
web
Also no matter how I work the web 60% of the time I start back at my home page.
Lastly to do anything on android it seems like a process, just to switch from one app to another I have to do this, then that, then this, now im on my other app... Iphones multitasking is button click im there. Is there a multitasking app that works kinda like iphones? I really like the tray that holds ALL my open apps. Im trying hard to like this phone and android but being able to customize and have widgets just does not seem like it is worth it. Unless there are some really big secrets im missing.
Thank you all for the answers as well!
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If you're swithing from app to app, and want to do it more quickly, hold the home button for a few seconds (pretty much anywhere, no need to go 'home' first). It will open up a list of the last 6 apps you've used. Pretty sure from the point you left off.
holding the home button does work pretty well, although sometimes it does not have the last couple apps I was using, mainly Go SMS pro. I am currently running S8 thought it was stable, guess i'll reflash and give this another go for a week, if not then its return to the IP and trade this back for the 4s. Thanks for the help!
Any suggestion on what rom to flash to?
Having THAT many apps FC on you is usually a sign that you did one of two things:
1) Forgot to wipe data/factory reset when installing a new ROM
2) Performed an improper Titanium Backup restore - restoring more than just "MISSING apps and data"
Chase
email
Gmail
maps
market
netflix
web
I'm running Serendipity 8.1 and do not have any problems with these apps from your list. You may need to re-flash.
Edit: what Entropy said.
DKS1282 said:
holding the home button does work pretty well, although sometimes it does not have the last couple apps I was using, mainly Go SMS pro. I am currently running S8 thought it was stable, guess i'll reflash and give this another go for a week, if not then its return to the IP and trade this back for the 4s. Thanks for the help!
Any suggestion on what rom to flash to?
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any of them are good but I personally use UnNamed. You really should wipe your phone first. Thats probably why you have so many FC's. When you flash a new rom, make sure you do NOT restore system apps via Titanium Backup (if thats what you use).
Entropy512 said:
Having THAT many apps FC on you is usually a sign that you did one of two things:
1) Forgot to wipe data/factory reset when installing a new ROM
2) Performed an improper Titanium Backup restore - restoring more than just "MISSING apps and data"
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i think thats exactly what happened because having that many FC's is not normal .
DKS1282 said:
List off apps that FC on me Both stock and Serenity 8:
Alarm Clock Plus
Chase
email
Gmail
hootsuite
maps
market
netflix
qik
web
Also no matter how I work the web 60% of the time I start back at my home page.
Lastly to do anything on android it seems like a process, just to switch from one app to another I have to do this, then that, then this, now im on my other app... Iphones multitasking is button click im there. Is there a multitasking app that works kinda like iphones? I really like the tray that holds ALL my open apps. Im trying hard to like this phone and android but being able to customize and have widgets just does not seem like it is worth it. Unless there are some really big secrets im missing.
Thank you all for the answers as well!
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To switch between running apps all you have to do is long press the home button - one press to see the last six open apps and your there.
Having the browser return to the home page every time just means you don't know what you are doing.
Being concerned about what is being held in ram its also a sign you don't know what you are doing. The memory chip where the ram resides, where you see a list of apps being held has to remain powered on all the time. Whether it is holding 250 MB of data, 500 MB of data or just 10 MB of data it will still be drawing the same amount of power. And just because an apps data is being held in ram does not necessarily mean it is running. Top see what us running you need to check cpu usage.
The only time to concerned about ram is if more than 85% is being used then you would start having problems. But this does not happen on our phones, and only would happen if you had something causing a major memory leak.
All of your force closes are related to you or your particular phone. I have maybe five fc's in a month and three of those happened while I was running cm7.
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Lot of user error here. I'm on the stock ROM with root.
Switch apps quickly by holding home.
If you use the back button to exit an app then you truly are exiting the app. Use home if you want it to start running.
Don't worry about ram usage. This device has 1GB and Android manages it very well without you ever having to worry.
I never have force closes unless it's the developers issue. If you're running from backed up apps then you can expect to have FCs. Install from fresh if you try a new ROM.
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I think the main reason the op is having his browser reset most of the time is because the op is using some kind if task killer. This task killer is also probably the cause of a significant portion of the fc's being experienced.
There should be a forum rule against people who run task killers then complain about fc's, laggy apps, and problems with multitasking.
I mean it should be obvious running a "task killer" on a device designed specifically to multitask - it is so silly. Look at the two phrases side by side "task killer" "multitasking device" - can you see what I mean.
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dayv said:
To switch between running apps all you have to do is long press the home button - one press to see the last six open apps and your there.
Having the browser return to the home page every time just means you don't know what you are doing.
Being concerned about what is being held in ram its also a sign you don't know what you are doing. The memory chip where the ram resides, where you see a list of apps being held has to remain powered on all the time. Whether it is holding 250 MB of data, 500 MB of data or just 10 MB of data it will still be drawing the same amount of power. And just because an apps data is being held in ram does not necessarily mean it is running. Top see what us running you need to check cpu usage.
The only time to concerned about ram is if more than 85% is being used then you would start having problems. But this does not happen on our phones, and only would happen if you had something causing a major memory leak.
All of your force closes are related to you or your particular phone. I have maybe five fc's in a month and three of those happened while I was running cm7.
Just because you don't know how to use a device does not make the device a general fail. Let's put the blame where it belongs, on the guy who has no understanding on what is going on with the processes in the device and drawing conclusions on based on an obviously ignorant perception those observations.
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I have upgraded to the Galaxy S2 from the Iphone 3gs. The long pressing of home button to bring up apps is something I did not know. Is there a thread somewhere to get this kind of information. Very helpful, thanks
Jim
jmj12us said:
I have upgraded to the Galaxy S2 from the Iphone 3gs. The long pressing of home button to bring up apps is something I did not know. Is there a thread somewhere to get this kind of information. Very helpful, thanks
Jim
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Not that I know of. There are little tricks like that and a good majority of people would never know of them I'm afraid.
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jmj12us said:
I have upgraded to the Galaxy S2 from the Iphone 3gs. The long pressing of home button to bring up apps is something I did not know. Is there a thread somewhere to get this kind of information. Very helpful, thanks
Jim
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Samsung has a tips and tricks page specifically for the AT&T GS2 that may show you some things you didn't know. One thing I didn't know was that you can take a screenshot with stock by pressing the power button and the home button at the same time. I also didn't know you can access the clipboard to show everything you "copied" from text fields.
http://www.samsung.com/us/article/tips--tricks-galaxy-s-ii-at-t-
As far as the OP's issues, I have all of those apps except for chase and hootsuite installed on stock and I don't FC at all. For the browser concerns, you may just be opening a new window each time you run the browser from the app icon. Try zooming all the way out of the page and then pinch to zoom out once more and it will show you the windows you have open, or you can press the menu key and select windows. The icon for "windows" in the menu will have a number on it if you have more than one open.
Entropy512 said:
Having THAT many apps FC on you is usually a sign that you did one of two things:
1) Forgot to wipe data/factory reset when installing a new ROM
2) Performed an improper Titanium Backup restore - restoring more than just "MISSING apps and data"
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Number 1... I didnt do that. I didnt think I had to off of a stock rom, but your right, I should have.
Thread cleaned... Please do not make me have to do so again. This forum is for friendly discussion.. Lets keep it that way.
edit --- I see Devine madcat is pushing back to topic
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Is it just Titan or Is it just WP over all?
Is it OS-associated or Is it App-associated?
I am inclined to believe keyboard disappearing few times while writing is more associated to random apps and only in Titan.
I haven't found other device users talking about such experience but few apps e.g. WhatsApp - has it more frequent!
How I wish with all these fantastic facilities, the developers for so called big apps used more knowledge to make better apps! They make such rubbish apps even after having far more functionalities on offer from the OS.
drupad2drupad said:
Is it just Titan or Is it just WP over all?
Is it OS-associated or Is it App-associated?
I am inclined to believe keyboard disappearing few times while writing is more associated to random apps and only in Titan.
I haven't found other device users talking about such experience but few apps e.g. WhatsApp - has it more frequent!
How I wish with all these fantastic facilities, the developers for so called big apps used more knowledge to make better apps! They make such rubbish apps even after having far more functionalities on offer from the OS.
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I have omnia 7 too and sometimes keyboard disappears...
keidal said:
I have omnia 7 too and sometimes keyboard disappears...
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Does that suggest that it's OS related? Does it disappear when using only certain apps?
When I am emailing or using anything in ME tile - it never disappears. It often disappears while I type things within an app. It is very very rare when using messaging or IE.
It's a WP7 bug. It's due to the background agents. There are certain apps that do something in the background and make the keyboard disappear. Go to Settings > applications > background tasks and disable Background Agents on each application. Obviously if that app has to run in the background its functionality will be reduced but if you are having a lot of trouble with the keyboard disappearing this is the only fix for now.
This video shows a background task activating and the keyboard being hidden as a result:
I only have this issue(sometimes) when posting in forums. Aside from that,it works fine and doesn't disappear. ( such typing a text or browsing internet.....)
I have the same thing happen to me. I guess it's just a Titan bug.
The only two problems that really bugged me on my Titan were the keyboard disappearing and Espn goals not playing videos. They have both now started to work very well after my last update.
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Greetings,
I only had this problem like 2 times. And its most certainly because of the background apps running. I am a casual mobile user, and does not have many apps running at the same time. So am not experiencing this problem.
Possible solution = use single app at one time, and before using another app, quit it by using the back button on the phone.
I know it completely makes the multitasking ability a waste, but I don't use more than one app at a time, except for listening to music.
Try out this for a couple of days, and see if you still have the disappearing keyboard.
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Greetings,
I only had this problem like 2 times. And its most certainly because of the background apps running. I am a casual mobile user, and does not have many apps running at the same time. So am not experiencing this problem.
Possible solution = use single app at one time, and before using another app, quit it by using the back button on the phone.
I know it completely makes the multitasking ability a waste, but I don't use more than one app at a time, except for listening to music.
Try out this for a couple of days, and see if you still have the disappearing keyboard.
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I think I've even narrowed down your issue here!
It only happens when you have certain buggy apps that launch and un-launch your keyboards. Developers need to be more professional when making apps that use your internet.
example - I've tested it with Board express app as well as twitter and facebook apps. I think when you start writing something in these apps e.g. a forum post, a tweet or a reply to any message, it launches your keyboard. After a bit of inactivity it tries to un-launch it so that you could use the full screen estate. However that was meant to be a useful function by MS. So say you were writing a long post, then wanted to do something else while multi-tasking or something on your PC and the app stays there doing nothing, it stops using the keyboard. Less resources, less memory intense etc - the coool features stuff.
However, when these apps go in background, after a while they become dormant anyway. So if they run in background while you use for emailing, text or something involving your keyboard it keeps crazily unlaunching it! It doesn't understand that you don't want the keyboard for their app but for something else!
It doesn't happen that often thankfully! Only happened 3 times in nearly 2 months for me. But when that does happen, if you go to multitasking view and get rid of those apps that do this, you won't have the issue. Also a restart simply stops it for a long long time.
This is a WP bug where the background tasks are putting the keyboard into the foreground. Only way to stop it from happening is to disable all background agents from running in Settings.
I didn't have this happen with the HTC surround, but that was pr-mango. I din't have it happen with Dell Venue Pro, but that has a physical keyboard so maybe I didn't notice. Regardless, in my experience it's just Titan
macjr82 said:
I didn't have this happen with the HTC surround, but that was pr-mango. I din't have it happen with Dell Venue Pro, but that has a physical keyboard so maybe I didn't notice. Regardless, in my experience it's just Titan
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Have a look here it's not just Titan, ms are looking into it.
I notice the bar at the top that shows battery life and signal strength always disappears. Any way to have that stay on permanently?
I don't think so, but if you want to see the notification bar that contains the battery life and singla strength whenever, just swipe down from the top.
jsnkc28 said:
I notice the bar at the top that shows battery life and signal strength always disappears. Any way to have that stay on permanently?
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This is from something that I wrote on WP Central a few days ago:
The philosophy of Windows Phone is pretty much "stop worrying and let the system take care of things." That's why status bar icons disappear from view except when they have something exceptional to tell you (no signal, low battery, etc). That's why there's no task manager (because tasks don't need to be managed). That's why there's no quick-access WiFi on/off switch (just leave it on and let the system manage things).
It takes a while to get used to this way of not actively having to do things to make the phone work. That "while" is probably longer for the former Android users because they are typically used to doing a lot more and thus have to let go of a lot more administrative duties than iPhone do. (As a former Windows Mobile user, it was hard on me, too. But I have accepted not pulling my battery frequently and not flashing new ROMs every few weeks to get new features.)
The main thing I wanted was the clock. Its such a pain in the butt when I am surfing the web or doing something in an app and I want to know the time I have to exit the browser or app to see the time and then re-start the browser or app again. Hopefully in the future they can at least have the option of the clock being there all the time or someone comes up with a workaround.
Partial work-around
jsnkc28 said:
The main thing I wanted was the clock. Its such a pain in the butt when I am surfing the web or doing something in an app and I want to know the time I have to exit the browser or app...
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Developers get the choice of whether to show the status bar or not. Panorama-style apps (like the Games and Pictures/Photos hubs) typically turn it off while Pivot-style apps (like Email or Settings) leave it on. Panoramas are typically graphically-rich and developers kept the bar hidden to not interfere with their layouts. Again, it is the developer's choice. I just noticed that the Office hub for WP8 does show the bar, so maybe the time will turn.
IE likely hides it so that more of the screen can be used for the web page being viewed. (Having the page scroll behind the text and icons on the status bar would be weird.) That said, there's an easy way in IE to temporarily show the status bar. Tap the "..." at the bottom to bring up the menu. Better yet, start to drag it upward a bit and then down -- this will show the status bar, but not pop up the whole bottom menu.
Thanks for the IE tip...works very well!
I travel a lot and would be nice if we can see status bar when not to make a phone call or checking time
Personally, I like not having it on the screen all the time. I prefer more viewing space than seeing other stuff clutter up the edges. Just my personal preference.
jsnkc28 said:
The main thing I wanted was the clock. Its such a pain in the butt when I am surfing the web or doing something in an app and I want to know the time I have to exit the browser or app to see the time and then re-start the browser or app again. Hopefully in the future they can at least have the option of the clock being there all the time or someone comes up with a workaround.
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I am not sure what your lock settings are - but if you have pin/password that is enabled a few minutes after the screen is turned off (can be adjusted from Settings menu) then you can just turn off the screen and turn it back on. You'll see the start screen with time information and a swipe will bring you back to your app you were browsing.
Not an ideal situation but a workaround. I personally never had to do this FWIW.
My battery status and time are permanently displayed due to a bug and it's killing me.
Came after the 1308 update and won't go.
I am also on 1308 and this didn't happen. R u sure it is OS instead of some app related?
manicotti said:
This is from something that I wrote on WP Central a few days ago:
The philosophy of Windows Phone is pretty much "stop worrying and let the system take care of things." That's why status bar icons disappear from view except when they have something exceptional to tell you (no signal, low battery, etc). That's why there's no task manager (because tasks don't need to be managed). That's why there's no quick-access WiFi on/off switch (just leave it on and let the system manage things).
It takes a while to get used to this way of not actively having to do things to make the phone work. That "while" is probably longer for the former Android users because they are typically used to doing a lot more and thus have to let go of a lot more administrative duties than iPhone do. (As a former Windows Mobile user, it was hard on me, too. But I have accepted not pulling my battery frequently and not flashing new ROMs every few weeks to get new features.)
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Totally agree. WP8 does a great job of handling all the little tasks that seem to take up so much time on other phone OS.
I never worry about battery life and all that stupid stuff. I can get nearly 2 days on a single charge with Wi-Fi etc. constantly on.
Any battery drain issues are usually down to 'rogue' or badly written apps hogging all the resources. Never had a problem with my Lumia 920. Superb phone!!!
manicotti said:
This is from something that I wrote on WP Central a few days ago:
The philosophy of Windows Phone is pretty much "stop worrying and let the system take care of things." That's why status bar icons disappear from view except when they have something exceptional to tell you (no signal, low battery, etc). That's why there's no task manager (because tasks don't need to be managed). That's why there's no quick-access WiFi on/off switch (just leave it on and let the system manage things).
It takes a while to get used to this way of not actively having to do things to make the phone work. That "while" is probably longer for the former Android users because they are typically used to doing a lot more and thus have to let go of a lot more administrative duties than iPhone do. (As a former Windows Mobile user, it was hard on me, too. But I have accepted not pulling my battery frequently and not flashing new ROMs every few weeks to get new features.)
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You are awesome
manicotti said:
This is from something that I wrote on WP Central a few days ago:
The philosophy of Windows Phone is pretty much "stop worrying and let the system take care of things." That's why status bar icons disappear from view except when they have something exceptional to tell you (no signal, low battery, etc). That's why there's no task manager (because tasks don't need to be managed). That's why there's no quick-access WiFi on/off switch (just leave it on and let the system manage things).
It takes a while to get used to this way of not actively having to do things to make the phone work. That "while" is probably longer for the former Android users because they are typically used to doing a lot more and thus have to let go of a lot more administrative duties than iPhone do. (As a former Windows Mobile user, it was hard on me, too. But I have accepted not pulling my battery frequently and not flashing new ROMs every few weeks to get new features.)
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Obviously, this was written over a year ago, but I just happened to stumble upon this thread as I was looking for a way to pin the status bar icons.
In general, I agree with the statement about the Windows Phone philosophy. As someone who's long admired but only recently started using a WP8 device (Lumia 925), here's one area where the reality deviates from the philosophy in a very frustrating way: neither iOS nor Android require a user to determine which background tasks stay running and which ones needs to be shut down.
I get aggravated every time I see the "too many background tasks running" message, reminding me that I can only have so many running. Then I have to go to the Background Tasks menu item from setting and figure out which ones I want blocked, and then decide if I always want them blocked or if they should be revived the next time the app is started. I've seen this happen on the Lumia 925 (running GDR3), as well as on the much newer Lumia 1520 (GDR3, Lumia Black) that I owned for a couple weeks.
As a user, I don't want to have to remember / decide that kind of crud. I expect the OS to handle that stuff for me, so I'm surprised that in the year 2013, on an OS that is not in its first iteration, we have an issue like this. Currently, iOS and Android both handle this seamlessly, by suspending or freezing the application, or closing it as necessary. And yet, when the user goes back to the list of "open" apps, they can quickly switch back to the desired app. Frozen ones pick up where left off, and closed ones relaunch.
Let me be clear - I'm not being critical of manicotti here, just stating that we've yet got a long way to go.
While we're on this matter, I have searched but not found a satisfactory solution, and am tired of always remembering to exit apps by "back"ing my way out of them. Is there a better alternative or a solution thread that someone can point me to?
Thanks,
AJ
It's funny that you quoted that piece today. My original words there were a copy of something that I had written on WPCentral back in 2012. I just wrote something else on WPCentral that addresses one of the points that you raised. The full thing is at http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-8/255956-3.htm#post2276267, but the key part is that:
One of my big complaints with it is the term "background tasks" itself (in the Settings app) to refer to tasks that are scheduled to run every once in a while. The general public already has a different understanding of that term (i.e., tasks that are in memory and doing things while not currently displaying on screen). Given that the term already has a meaning, Microsoft should not have tried to redefine it. They recognized this from the developer's perspective and called the things "periodic tasks," which is what they are (started periodically and then shut down -- all independent of the main app that contains such "applets").I went on to complain about how this misuse of terms confuses users, that developers don't generally go out of their way to compensate for Microsoft's screw-up, and then propose a better UI for the Background Tasks page that conveys to users what they need to know about which tasks are running occasionally, which are not, and why.
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Obviously, this was written over a year ago, but I just happened to stumble upon this thread as I was looking for a way to pin the status bar icons.
In general, I agree with the statement about the Windows Phone philosophy. As someone who's long admired but only recently started using a WP8 device (Lumia 925), here's one area where the reality deviates from the philosophy in a very frustrating way: neither iOS nor Android require a user to determine which background tasks stay running and which ones needs to be shut down.
I get aggravated every time I see the "too many background tasks running" message, reminding me that I can only have so many running. Then I have to go to the Background Tasks menu item from setting and figure out which ones I want blocked, and then decide if I always want them blocked or if they should be revived the next time the app is started. I've seen this happen on the Lumia 925 (running GDR3), as well as on the much newer Lumia 1520 (GDR3, Lumia Black) that I owned for a couple weeks.
As a user, I don't want to have to remember / decide that kind of crud. I expect the OS to handle that stuff for me, so I'm surprised that in the year 2013, on an OS that is not in its first iteration, we have an issue like this. Currently, iOS and Android both handle this seamlessly, by suspending or freezing the application, or closing it as necessary. And yet, when the user goes back to the list of "open" apps, they can quickly switch back to the desired app. Frozen ones pick up where left off, and closed ones relaunch.
Let me be clear - I'm not being critical of manicotti here, just stating that we've yet got a long way to go.
While we're on this matter, I have searched but not found a satisfactory solution, and am tired of always remembering to exit apps by "back"ing my way out of them. Is there a better alternative or a solution thread that someone can point me to?
Thanks,
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AJ,
I generally hold down the "back" button until the window shrinks down and I can click the X in the upper right corner to close the apps.
Seems to work for most apps for me.
I'd like to know what everyone is looking forward to the most with the next version of android.
My list:
-Multi-window (or at the very least a 50/50 side by side. I would love to be able to watch Netflix and browse simultaneously)
-Completely fix chrome
-fully integrated support for 3rd party application synchronization between devices (with real time data snycing)
-centralized gaming hub for high scores/achievements ect. (possibly integrated within Google+)
-support for optional cloud application data hosting (for those with not much local storage available)
-native theme support
-native NTFS support
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Nobody knows what will be in Key Lime Pie, or even if it will definitely be coming at IO, so this is a bit nonsensical to answer -- but still.
If I could request *one* feature for Key Lime Pie, it would be vastly-improved stability. No more random, total lockups of the user interface. No more sleep of death. No more random, spontaneous reboots. No more opening a web page and suddenly your whole browser vanishes with no error or warning of any kind. No more other apps doing the exact same thing.
In short, a properly stable operating system.
Oh, and proper multitasking where programs don't spontaneously close without warning when they're in the background, where programs don't stay running after you swipe them away from the recent apps list, and where they don't remain in the recent apps list after you exit them by actually shutting the app down. That'd be nice, too.
I couldn't care less about side-by-side display of apps; on my phone I would never use it because the screen is too small, and on my tablet I would never use it because that's what multitasking and switching between apps is for.
[quote="knoxploration"[/quote]No more random, total lockups of the user interface. No more sleep of death. No more random, spontaneous reboots. No more opening a web page and suddenly your whole browser vanishes with no error or warning of any kind. No more other apps doing the exact same thing.[/quote] I would agree that we'd all like to have our OS 100% rock-solid stable, and that this is a goal to strive for, but that sounds a bit odd...the way you're describing it, these things are quite frequent for you. I rarely see issues like this on my Galaxy Nexus running 4.2.2; I recently had to do a system wipe due to some corruption that caused super battery drain and issues with text messaging, but that's unrelated to this, really. The hardware on the Nexus 4 and Nexus 10 runs circles around my GNexus, too - is it really that bad? [quote="knoxploration"[/quote]Oh, and proper multitasking where programs don't spontaneously close without warning when they're in the background[/quote] That is automatic task killing used to keep RAM reserves in check and keep the system running smoothly at all times. The Nexus 4 and 10 have a LOT better experience with multitasking than older devices, with their 2GB of RAM. There's a reason Google upped the ante in that area! Android needs those resources to operate efficiently and properly. [quote="knoxploration"[/quote] where programs don't stay running after you swipe them away from the recent apps list[/quote] This one puzzles me...they don't stay running unless its a background process, like TextPlus or Gmail push notifications. And you can turn those off, if you want to. Some even do stop - if you swipe away Google Music, the background music stops playing as well.
As for side by side display, I have to agree with you. Not TOO meaningful on a tablet, definitely not a 4.6" phone. It would be a nice option, though.
By the way, nice topic HarmonyFlame! I love these kinds of posts. Theres great, positive discussion on them, usually.
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I would agree that we'd all like to have our OS 100% rock-solid stable, and that this is a goal to strive for, but that sounds a bit odd...the way you're describing it, these things are quite frequent for you.
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They are very, very frequent issues on my Asus Eee Pad Transformer TF101 (I own two, both do it.) It's an issue even on a stock, unrooted tablet without a single app installed, and has been ever since the Ice Cream Sandwich update. (It was fine on Honeycomb.)
I've not bought the Nexus 10 yet, but have already been warned it suffers the same issues.
It is much rarer on my phones than on tablets; they do it, but very rarely. The tablets do it on a daily basis.
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That is automatic task killing used to keep RAM reserves in check and keep the system running smoothly at all times. The Nexus 4 and 10 have a LOT better experience with multitasking than older devices, with their 2GB of RAM. There's a reason Google upped the ante in that area! Android needs those resources to operate efficiently and properly.
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I know why it is there. I also know it is poor design. I know which of the apps running in the background are important to me; the tablet doesn't. A good design would simply warn me that I was running low on memory, and let me choose which apps to kill, rather than killing something I potentially need. I have lost data to this; it is bad behavior.
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This one puzzles me...they don't stay running unless its a background process, like TextPlus or Gmail push notifications. And you can turn those off, if you want to. Some even do stop - if you swipe away Google Music, the background music stops playing as well.
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I can't provide examples as I don't remember which programs do it, but I have come across multiple apps that definitely stay open (with no notifications present, and these aren't background processes) when you swipe them away. Go to apps and force stop, the program will actually exit. Swipe it away from the recent apps list, and it will not.
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They are very, very frequent issues on my Asus Eee Pad Transformer TF101 (I own two, both do it.) It's an issue even on a stock, unrooted tablet without a single app installed, and has been ever since the Ice Cream Sandwich update. (It was fine on Honeycomb.)
I've not bought the Nexus 10 yet, but have already been warned it suffers the same issues.
It is much rarer on my phones than on tablets; they do it, but very rarely. The tablets do it on a daily basis.
I know why it is there. I also know it is poor design. I know which of the apps running in the background are important to me; the tablet doesn't. A good design would simply warn me that I was running low on memory, and let me choose which apps to kill, rather than killing something I potentially need. I have lost data to this; it is bad behavior.
I can't provide examples as I don't remember which programs do it, but I have come across multiple apps that definitely stay open (with no notifications present, and these aren't background processes) when you swipe them away. Go to apps and force stop, the program will actually exit. Swipe it away from the recent apps list, and it will not.
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So you don't own a nexus 10 but you're making comparison to the tf101? Which is a very old tablet! It doesn't matter to the system what apps are important to you, the system is going to decide what should be closed when is needed, specially if you let it sit in the back too long, why is Google going to worry about what app the user would like to keep open while is in the background, with how many apps we have today, that's for the end used to worry about, if you don't want to lose data just don't push that important task to the background until you're done with it. I personally think that it handles the task of killing apps when needed quite well, it will never be perfect for everyone but it sure is as good as it gets right now. If you're having issues closing apps, by having to force close from the manage apps menu then you need to see what app is causing this, because that's not normal..
I know there's always room for improvement , but that's why I run rooted and custom, that way you get the best available and not just what Google wants you to have.
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what multitasking and switching between apps is for.
The one thing I should love to see again is for them to somehow have the OS know that if you're running it on a tab, you get tab nav bar, and not like a phone/phablet, like in previous versions, or let the user decide which one to use, like our custom ROMs that have them, not like AOKP though, it still looks funky, they're too separate., I'm saying this but when it comes out I'll run it for a little bit, and be on the first custom rom after a dev cooks one up.
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So you don't own a nexus 10 but you're making comparison to the tf101? Which is a very old tablet! It doesn't matter to the system what apps are important to you, the system is going to decide what should be closed when is needed, specially if you let it sit in the back too long, why is Google going to worry about what app the user would like to keep open while is in the background, with how many apps we have today, that's for the end used to worry about, if you don't want to lose data just don't push that important task to the background until you're done with it. I personally think that it handles the task of killing apps when needed quite well, it will never be perfect for everyone but it sure is as good as it gets right now. If you're having issues closing apps, by having to force close from the manage apps menu then you need to see what app is causing this, because that's not normal..
I know there's always room for improvement , but that's why I run rooted and custom, that way you get the best available and not just what Google wants you to have.
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I'm comparing to the TF101 running numerous Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean ROMs, including the stock Asus ROM, plus the experiences of others using the Nexus 10 and other Android tablets. We'll see soon enough though as I just got the Nexus 10 myself today...
And wow, if your opinion is that it is the user's fault rather than poor OS design, then thank goodness you aren't an OS designer. The OS is supposed to be seeing the user's needs, not vice versa. People don't buy tablets because they want to be slaves to them.
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And wow, if your opinion is that it is the user's fault rather than poor OS design, then thank goodness you aren't an OS designer. The OS is supposed to be seeing the user's needs, not vice versa. People don't buy tablets because they want to be slaves to them.
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The OS doesn't care. If the RAM is getting full, and the OS needs the RAM in order to run something else, memory management will kill whatever it needs to in order to get enough RAM to run it. Regardless of the fact you, the user, use that app 4 times more than anything else currently in memory. The tablet is not learning your usage habits.
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The OS doesn't care. If the RAM is getting full, and the OS needs the RAM in order to run something else, memory management will kill whatever it needs to in order to get enough RAM to run it. Regardless of the fact you, the user, use that app 4 times more than anything else currently in memory. The tablet is not learning your usage habits.
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And that is precisely my point. The OS is dumb, and yet it forces its dumb decisions on the user. An intelligent OS would either learn which apps the user didn't want closed, provide a way to prioritize or prevent closing of certain apps or apps in certain states, or simply warn when the threshold nears and let the user decide what to close.
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I'm not sure if I want that feature... But now that you mention it I'm actually surprised it is not there... What with google being the king of tracking usage habits and all
It seems simple enough to implement. Have the ability to "pin" apps you want kept alive in the apps list.
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It seems simple enough to implement. Have the ability to "pin" apps you want kept alive in the apps list.
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I think it then becomes a tradeoff in terms of convenience. For example it might be more convenient if apps are forced to remain open if that is what the user wants, but at the same time it means that if you have a list of apps that the OS cannot close on it's own accord, and you suddenly decide you want to use an app that requires more resources than are available, due to them being used up with these pinned apps, does the user then have to manually go and close their apps down in order for the new app to run correctly?
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I think it then becomes a tradeoff in terms of convenience. For example it might be more convenient if apps are forced to remain open if that is what the user wants, but at the same time it means that if you have a list of apps that the OS cannot close on it's own accord, and you suddenly decide you want to use an app that requires more resources than are available, due to them being used up with these pinned apps, does the user then have to manually go and close their apps down in order for the new app to run correctly?
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That is infinitely preferable to the OS closing an app randomly and losing your data.
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That is infinitely preferable to the OS closing an app randomly and losing your data.
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And therein lies the issue. Who to cater for? You think this preferable, i think it not. Google has to decide which market to target. I have no statistics, just an opinion, but i personally think that there are probably a lot more people buying phones and tablets who just want to press a button and have the app work. As a user, i personally do not come across many instances where i switch back to an app and find i've lost my data, i imagine this is more important and relevant for people using their tablets and phones for more serious work be it business or study etc. But for someone just wanting to get onto facebook, or take a photo, or play a game, which is in my mind, the majority of users, i think it would be preferable to them not to have to have to start killing apps so as to get their youtube video to play in a smooth fashion.
Maybe google could arrive at a compromise, or a DEV could somehow implement it either as default or as an option, but for now i think that it is as it is for the sake of the general market. Most users are casual users, maybe not even technically proficient, they just want it to work in as simple fashion as possible. Just look at roms as an example. Plenty of roms offer plenty of features that people claim they want or need, but the vast majority of users happily get by without these supposedly important additional functions.
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I'm comparing to the TF101 running numerous Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean ROMs, including the stock Asus ROM, plus the experiences of others using the Nexus 10 and other Android tablets. We'll see soon enough though as I just got the Nexus 10 myself today...
And wow, if your opinion is that it is the user's fault rather than poor OS design, then thank goodness you aren't an OS designer. The OS is supposed to be seeing the user's needs, not vice versa. People don't buy tablets because they want to be slaves to them.
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But you're still comparing it to a tegra 2 , 1ghz processor , 1gig of ram tablet, apples and oranges.
And my opinion is coming from a person that has been into android since day one, still have my T-Mobile G1, among other devices, and the matter of fact is that the OS has never cared about apps open and what apps the user wanted to keep open, before we had to use app killers because they would stay open and eat up all the ram, yes this tablet has issues and is not perfect, but is still the best as of now. Apparently I hit a nerve with my comment, it wasn't my intention. I agree with you that the OS should see what apps get more use and give them some sort of priority over others to prevent them from being killed but it doesn't work that way as of now I'm afraid. Maybe that will be a new feature in key lime pie, intelligent memory management.
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That is infinitely preferable to the OS closing an app randomly and losing your data.
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Memory management is tricky. Physically memory can get fragmented so despite overall memory being available, what is there is in chunks too small to be actually use. There is nothing random about which app Android chooses to close when there is not enough memory. "Least used" logic would be just one example of how an app is choosen. Other factors are also taken into account.
A major feature of Andorid is memory management which includes that when an app starts it registers a "close routine". Android calls that routine when it needs more memory and has selected that app for closure. The routine lets the app gracefully save any user data before it is closed. Only poorly coded apps would loose values user data when signalled that it is being shutdown by the OS.
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Only poorly coded apps would loose values user data when signalled that it is being shutdown by the OS.
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So Google's stock browser and Chrome are both poorly-coded, then?
Those are the two apps that lose me data -- or simply force me to have to log back into websites over and over -- the most often due to this poor design.
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So Google's stock browser and Chrome are both poorly-coded, then?
Those are the two apps that lose me data -- or simply force me to have to log back into websites over and over -- the most often due to this poor design.
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Have you not seen the number of complaints about chromes instability and such, it certainly seems that it is indeed poorly coded.
That said, i have never experienced this with chrome on my N10 at all. The only website that i find i am often asked to log back into is XDA, every other site is just fine.
So I like the big battery in this phone, but I hate that when I open an app, and it loads (facebook for example), then I get an incoming email, so I tap the notification to open and read my email, the phone closes/ends my fb app. When I go back to fb, it re-launches the app all over again. It's annoying when I'm in the middle of something, and it'll force-close and lose everything I was typing. I've enabled dev options, and see an option in there for apps "Don't keep activities" (destroy every activity as soon as the user leaves it) which sounds like exactly what is happening, but this option is disabled. I've disabled every possible battery saver option I can find.
Anyone know where else to look? You wouldn't think it'd be a big thing, but it's really annoying having to spend extra time re-launching every single app as opposed to just switching between them already launched.
Thanks in advance!
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So I like the big battery in this phone, but I hate that when I open an app, and it loads (facebook for example), then I get an incoming email, so I tap the notification to open and read my email, the phone closes/ends my fb app. When I go back to fb, it re-launches the app all over again. It's annoying when I'm in the middle of something, and it'll force-close and lose everything I was typing. I've enabled dev options, and see an option in there for apps "Don't keep activities" (destroy every activity as soon as the user leaves it) which sounds like exactly what is happening, but this option is disabled. I've disabled every possible battery saver option I can find.
Anyone know where else to look? You wouldn't think it'd be a big thing, but it's really annoying having to spend extra time re-launching every single app as opposed to just switching between them already launched.
Thanks in advance!
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I am using Ruthless Pixel launcher, from here xda, and I haven't got this problem. May be you have to disable the DuraSpeed from Settings.
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I tried a different launcher. I'll try the one you use. I've even had problems with the launcher having to "restart" and when I go back to the homescreen, it takes several seconds for that to load.
same problem here, every battery saver option disabeled, duraspeed off, and everything that i need to to i did in the developer options, but literally every app reboots after i switch to an other. any news on how to get rid of it?
I've switched between several different launchers. This isn't a launcher problem. It's a phone software problem.
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So I like the big battery in this phone, but I hate that when I open an app, and it loads (facebook for example), then I get an incoming email, so I tap the notification to open and read my email, the phone closes/ends my fb app. When I go back to fb, it re-launches the app all over again. It's annoying when I'm in the middle of something, and it'll force-close and lose everything I was typing. I've enabled dev options, and see an option in there for apps "Don't keep activities" (destroy every activity as soon as the user leaves it) which sounds like exactly what is happening, but this option is disabled. I've disabled every possible battery saver option I can find.
Anyone know where else to look? You wouldn't think it'd be a big thing, but it's really annoying having to spend extra time re-launching every single app as opposed to just switching between them already launched.
Thanks in advance!
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I'm running Nova Launcher and see what you're talking about...if you leave a Facebook post you're working on open, then go to research something else, even though the draft post is there on screen when you scroll for it, the post will close and re-open before you can edit it again, wiping out the draft. A bug that needs to be fixed, indeed. The weirder thing is, after looking at it some more, is that it isn't easy to consistently replicate. Weird, indeed.
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I'm running Nova Launcher and see what you're talking about...if you leave a Facebook post you're working on open, then go to research something else, even though the draft post is there on screen when you scroll for it, the post will close and re-open before you can edit it again, wiping out the draft. A bug that needs to be fixed, indeed. The weirder thing is, after looking at it some more, is that it isn't easy to consistently replicate. Weird, indeed.
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So I packaged my phone up last night and shipped it back this morning. But a buddy of mine MAY have figured out how to make it work. Go to Duraspeed and ENABLE it. Then ENABLE the apps (or all apps) that you want to STAY ALIVE in the background. See if that allows them to all run, yeah, like making a fb post type thing. Report back. I may have to go buy it again!
I have ZimLX and no issue with background apps.
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So I packaged my phone up last night and shipped it back this morning. But a buddy of mine MAY have figured out how to make it work. Go to Duraspeed and ENABLE it. Then ENABLE the apps (or all apps) that you want to STAY ALIVE in the background. See if that allows them to all run, yeah, like making a fb post type thing. Report back. I may have to go buy it again!
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That only helps a little bit, if you switch between tw games, or a game than check facebook and then whatzapp, the game resets. Also if you like switch to 3 different apps, they usually reset and get force closed from the systhem.
Also if you turn on duraspeed, youtube vanced gets forceclosed, even when it is allowed in duraspeed.
So what i do right now is enable duraspeed and the app that i want and whenever i wanna hear music in the background, i have to disable duraspeed.
Also, it is a real dealbreaker right now, it´s just way to buggy.
it seems like they programmed a way too harsh task kille in on purpose to give a longe battery life.
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I am using Ruthless Pixel launcher, from here xda, and I haven't got this problem. May be you have to disable the DuraSpeed from Settings.
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Not true, everyone has these problems nomather what launcher, it is a software problem.
Usually everyone has tryed to disable duraspeed of course and whatnot.
This problem/bug is really annoying. It makes me hate the phone to be honest.
How/who do we report this too?
Try here - https://community.umidigi.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=210
From what I've seen, Umidigi employees monitor and are active in their Forums, so hopefully someone will pay attention.
I have ZimXL and no issues with background apps closing. Are you on the latest ROM?
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I have ZimXL and no issues with background apps closing. Are you on the latest ROM?
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obviously we habe the lastest rom and every user has that problem it is a rom problem.
Also, what is a zim xl, google gives nothing about that.
I had a few apps do screwy things with the powersaver on , and it would be a few. Kroger app would crash and would not work until you uninstall and reinstall it. Att Uverse app, when you login it give a message about allow permissions, it had all, anything that need the gps. if I turn off the power saver I do not have those issues.
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obviously we habe the lastest rom and every user has that problem it is a rom problem.
Also, what is a zim xl, google gives nothing about that.
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[Edit]Actually this doesn't work well. A couple posts down is my fix that works.
I logged in after a while to post this! This is a reply to you and op and anyone else having this "problem". Thanks to this forum post, I found a solution. I think it's an ingenious design they created. If you want every app to run in the background, *enable Duraspeed and enable all apps* in the top right corner. Then, *Reboot your phone*.
After you do this, the phone will magically be as fast as it should again. It's like I rebought a phone 100x better then what I was using .
The ingenious part of it is, if you don't want certain apps running in the background then Disable them! (you'll probably have to reboot for any change to be applied)
I love this design and I am now back in love with my Umidigi F1 , hope this helps everyone.
i sold it like 3 months ago and fixed a broken note 9 for cheap. my friend who owns the f1 since then still has this issue even when he tried your fix.
also another friend who owns a f1 play has this issue since the last update he had, he even newly installed / whiped it and so on, seems like umidigi just has problems with theis software and also it seems like it only affects a few people.
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i sold it like 3 months ago and fixed a broken note 9 for cheap. my friend who owns the f1 since then still has this issue even when he tried your fix.
also another friend who owns a f1 play has this issue since the last update he had, he even newly installed / whiped it and so on, seems like umidigi just has problems with theis software and also it seems like it only affects a few people.
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Hello, I agree. The fix wasn't 100%.
So here is the official fix, and once again it makes sense. (You might have to enable developer mode)
Go to your apps/notifications in settings, select an app, under the app click advanced, Battery, then battery Optimizations. Under that page go through your apps and disable optimizations for apps you want to stay on in the background.
Found this out and it works.
Actually figured it out once I read your post
If it doesn't work, reboot your phone.
Still doesn't work, do this along with duraspeed on the selected apps.
Still doesn't work, might just be the app. (Some of my games still don't stay in memory)
It's working good for me now, but if I wanted more apps to stay open I'd check developer settings and turn Max apps to keep in memory to the highest amount.
and I agree, it's a bit unpolished. Probably something to do with their battery optimizations and Android's not being compatable.
Tried several methods and nothing truly works. Your best bet is to flash a GSI/rom. Or just root the phone and install "ram fix by cork" magisk mod. I'm using the latter method and it works fine.
Yep the software itself has far too aggressive memory management despite it having 4Gb of RAM and kills apps far too quickly.
I complained about it to UMIDIGI support and they said go buy an F2.
What i did was used this forum to install Lineage OS and now have no memory issues
Either install a GSI (I suggest LOSQ) or download RAM Management Fix by Crock if you can find it, it's not in Magisk anymore.