I notice the bar at the top that shows battery life and signal strength always disappears. Any way to have that stay on permanently?
I don't think so, but if you want to see the notification bar that contains the battery life and singla strength whenever, just swipe down from the top.
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I notice the bar at the top that shows battery life and signal strength always disappears. Any way to have that stay on permanently?
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This is from something that I wrote on WP Central a few days ago:
The philosophy of Windows Phone is pretty much "stop worrying and let the system take care of things." That's why status bar icons disappear from view except when they have something exceptional to tell you (no signal, low battery, etc). That's why there's no task manager (because tasks don't need to be managed). That's why there's no quick-access WiFi on/off switch (just leave it on and let the system manage things).
It takes a while to get used to this way of not actively having to do things to make the phone work. That "while" is probably longer for the former Android users because they are typically used to doing a lot more and thus have to let go of a lot more administrative duties than iPhone do. (As a former Windows Mobile user, it was hard on me, too. But I have accepted not pulling my battery frequently and not flashing new ROMs every few weeks to get new features.)
The main thing I wanted was the clock. Its such a pain in the butt when I am surfing the web or doing something in an app and I want to know the time I have to exit the browser or app to see the time and then re-start the browser or app again. Hopefully in the future they can at least have the option of the clock being there all the time or someone comes up with a workaround.
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The main thing I wanted was the clock. Its such a pain in the butt when I am surfing the web or doing something in an app and I want to know the time I have to exit the browser or app...
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Developers get the choice of whether to show the status bar or not. Panorama-style apps (like the Games and Pictures/Photos hubs) typically turn it off while Pivot-style apps (like Email or Settings) leave it on. Panoramas are typically graphically-rich and developers kept the bar hidden to not interfere with their layouts. Again, it is the developer's choice. I just noticed that the Office hub for WP8 does show the bar, so maybe the time will turn.
IE likely hides it so that more of the screen can be used for the web page being viewed. (Having the page scroll behind the text and icons on the status bar would be weird.) That said, there's an easy way in IE to temporarily show the status bar. Tap the "..." at the bottom to bring up the menu. Better yet, start to drag it upward a bit and then down -- this will show the status bar, but not pop up the whole bottom menu.
Thanks for the IE tip...works very well!
I travel a lot and would be nice if we can see status bar when not to make a phone call or checking time
Personally, I like not having it on the screen all the time. I prefer more viewing space than seeing other stuff clutter up the edges. Just my personal preference.
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The main thing I wanted was the clock. Its such a pain in the butt when I am surfing the web or doing something in an app and I want to know the time I have to exit the browser or app to see the time and then re-start the browser or app again. Hopefully in the future they can at least have the option of the clock being there all the time or someone comes up with a workaround.
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I am not sure what your lock settings are - but if you have pin/password that is enabled a few minutes after the screen is turned off (can be adjusted from Settings menu) then you can just turn off the screen and turn it back on. You'll see the start screen with time information and a swipe will bring you back to your app you were browsing.
Not an ideal situation but a workaround. I personally never had to do this FWIW.
My battery status and time are permanently displayed due to a bug and it's killing me.
Came after the 1308 update and won't go.
I am also on 1308 and this didn't happen. R u sure it is OS instead of some app related?
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This is from something that I wrote on WP Central a few days ago:
The philosophy of Windows Phone is pretty much "stop worrying and let the system take care of things." That's why status bar icons disappear from view except when they have something exceptional to tell you (no signal, low battery, etc). That's why there's no task manager (because tasks don't need to be managed). That's why there's no quick-access WiFi on/off switch (just leave it on and let the system manage things).
It takes a while to get used to this way of not actively having to do things to make the phone work. That "while" is probably longer for the former Android users because they are typically used to doing a lot more and thus have to let go of a lot more administrative duties than iPhone do. (As a former Windows Mobile user, it was hard on me, too. But I have accepted not pulling my battery frequently and not flashing new ROMs every few weeks to get new features.)
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Totally agree. WP8 does a great job of handling all the little tasks that seem to take up so much time on other phone OS.
I never worry about battery life and all that stupid stuff. I can get nearly 2 days on a single charge with Wi-Fi etc. constantly on.
Any battery drain issues are usually down to 'rogue' or badly written apps hogging all the resources. Never had a problem with my Lumia 920. Superb phone!!!
manicotti said:
This is from something that I wrote on WP Central a few days ago:
The philosophy of Windows Phone is pretty much "stop worrying and let the system take care of things." That's why status bar icons disappear from view except when they have something exceptional to tell you (no signal, low battery, etc). That's why there's no task manager (because tasks don't need to be managed). That's why there's no quick-access WiFi on/off switch (just leave it on and let the system manage things).
It takes a while to get used to this way of not actively having to do things to make the phone work. That "while" is probably longer for the former Android users because they are typically used to doing a lot more and thus have to let go of a lot more administrative duties than iPhone do. (As a former Windows Mobile user, it was hard on me, too. But I have accepted not pulling my battery frequently and not flashing new ROMs every few weeks to get new features.)
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manicotti said:
This is from something that I wrote on WP Central a few days ago:
The philosophy of Windows Phone is pretty much "stop worrying and let the system take care of things." That's why status bar icons disappear from view except when they have something exceptional to tell you (no signal, low battery, etc). That's why there's no task manager (because tasks don't need to be managed). That's why there's no quick-access WiFi on/off switch (just leave it on and let the system manage things).
It takes a while to get used to this way of not actively having to do things to make the phone work. That "while" is probably longer for the former Android users because they are typically used to doing a lot more and thus have to let go of a lot more administrative duties than iPhone do. (As a former Windows Mobile user, it was hard on me, too. But I have accepted not pulling my battery frequently and not flashing new ROMs every few weeks to get new features.)
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Obviously, this was written over a year ago, but I just happened to stumble upon this thread as I was looking for a way to pin the status bar icons.
In general, I agree with the statement about the Windows Phone philosophy. As someone who's long admired but only recently started using a WP8 device (Lumia 925), here's one area where the reality deviates from the philosophy in a very frustrating way: neither iOS nor Android require a user to determine which background tasks stay running and which ones needs to be shut down.
I get aggravated every time I see the "too many background tasks running" message, reminding me that I can only have so many running. Then I have to go to the Background Tasks menu item from setting and figure out which ones I want blocked, and then decide if I always want them blocked or if they should be revived the next time the app is started. I've seen this happen on the Lumia 925 (running GDR3), as well as on the much newer Lumia 1520 (GDR3, Lumia Black) that I owned for a couple weeks.
As a user, I don't want to have to remember / decide that kind of crud. I expect the OS to handle that stuff for me, so I'm surprised that in the year 2013, on an OS that is not in its first iteration, we have an issue like this. Currently, iOS and Android both handle this seamlessly, by suspending or freezing the application, or closing it as necessary. And yet, when the user goes back to the list of "open" apps, they can quickly switch back to the desired app. Frozen ones pick up where left off, and closed ones relaunch.
Let me be clear - I'm not being critical of manicotti here, just stating that we've yet got a long way to go.
While we're on this matter, I have searched but not found a satisfactory solution, and am tired of always remembering to exit apps by "back"ing my way out of them. Is there a better alternative or a solution thread that someone can point me to?
Thanks,
AJ
It's funny that you quoted that piece today. My original words there were a copy of something that I had written on WPCentral back in 2012. I just wrote something else on WPCentral that addresses one of the points that you raised. The full thing is at http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-8/255956-3.htm#post2276267, but the key part is that:
One of my big complaints with it is the term "background tasks" itself (in the Settings app) to refer to tasks that are scheduled to run every once in a while. The general public already has a different understanding of that term (i.e., tasks that are in memory and doing things while not currently displaying on screen). Given that the term already has a meaning, Microsoft should not have tried to redefine it. They recognized this from the developer's perspective and called the things "periodic tasks," which is what they are (started periodically and then shut down -- all independent of the main app that contains such "applets").I went on to complain about how this misuse of terms confuses users, that developers don't generally go out of their way to compensate for Microsoft's screw-up, and then propose a better UI for the Background Tasks page that conveys to users what they need to know about which tasks are running occasionally, which are not, and why.
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Obviously, this was written over a year ago, but I just happened to stumble upon this thread as I was looking for a way to pin the status bar icons.
In general, I agree with the statement about the Windows Phone philosophy. As someone who's long admired but only recently started using a WP8 device (Lumia 925), here's one area where the reality deviates from the philosophy in a very frustrating way: neither iOS nor Android require a user to determine which background tasks stay running and which ones needs to be shut down.
I get aggravated every time I see the "too many background tasks running" message, reminding me that I can only have so many running. Then I have to go to the Background Tasks menu item from setting and figure out which ones I want blocked, and then decide if I always want them blocked or if they should be revived the next time the app is started. I've seen this happen on the Lumia 925 (running GDR3), as well as on the much newer Lumia 1520 (GDR3, Lumia Black) that I owned for a couple weeks.
As a user, I don't want to have to remember / decide that kind of crud. I expect the OS to handle that stuff for me, so I'm surprised that in the year 2013, on an OS that is not in its first iteration, we have an issue like this. Currently, iOS and Android both handle this seamlessly, by suspending or freezing the application, or closing it as necessary. And yet, when the user goes back to the list of "open" apps, they can quickly switch back to the desired app. Frozen ones pick up where left off, and closed ones relaunch.
Let me be clear - I'm not being critical of manicotti here, just stating that we've yet got a long way to go.
While we're on this matter, I have searched but not found a satisfactory solution, and am tired of always remembering to exit apps by "back"ing my way out of them. Is there a better alternative or a solution thread that someone can point me to?
Thanks,
AJ
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AJ,
I generally hold down the "back" button until the window shrinks down and I can click the X in the upper right corner to close the apps.
Seems to work for most apps for me.
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Hi guys,
Have had my Hero just over a month now and love the thing to bits...
The one thing (battery life aside) that pees me off though is that the phone can be slow at times...
It seems to stem from apps either opening themselves and running in the background, or not closing properly when I select to close them.
I seem to spend half my time using the phone in TaskKiller getting rid of everything that shouldn't be running before I can do anything.
Has anyone got any smart ideas on how I can improve the problems above?
I've also noticed when I switch the phone off and back on a) it improves things slightly, but b) it also runs lots of things that I don't need open so is there a way to stop things running on start up?
Thanks for the help guys.
To show you what I mean, I just restarted the phone and killed everything except:
WaveSecure Beta
com.google.android.apps.mapssomething that goes off the screen) - can't kill this
HTC Sense
Touch Input
com.htc.provider
Go back to it 10 minutes later and I also have the following open:
Settings
vizBattery
Wi-Fi Status
Google Mail
Thats without me touching it at all.... if I had also used the Twitter app, Facebook, messaging etc then they would all still be open, the browser and music player would probably be there too.
It's normal fo it to start some apps on its own, for example peep (htc's twitter program) the music player (only if you have a widget on one of the homescreens)
same goes for calander etc etc google mail is push so it has to be opened to recieve messaged realtime.
Things like batterystatus thingy's often drain your battery and sometimes slow down your device I suggest removing that.
Also I don't know about wifi status but can imagine that draining battery to since
I don't think that will be running without your wifi being on. When continuosly searching for networks your device also will slow down, and drain the battery
My english isn't perfect so I hope you understand what I'm saying.
edit: do you use the official t-mobile rom or a custom? Don't know if htc released the last update for t-mob devices. That update really improved almost everything
so if you don't have that it's ''normal'' for the device to lag.
Some apps register themselves to start automatically. Obviously Gmail needs to run if you're syncing a Gmail account.
There's at least one app (paid) that can override this - I believe it is called Startup Auditor.
However, for the most part, it doesn't really matter since many of the apps that appear to be "running" will not be consuming any CPU time (and by extension battery life) unless they are designed to run in the background.
In addition, as Stafflover has already said, I'd also suggest you try removing vizBattery - whilst I've no specific experience with this app, I've heard that many battery status widgets drain the battery significantly.
Regards,
Dave
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There's at least one app (paid) that can override this - I believe it is called Startup Auditor.
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AutoStarts does the same job, also paid. using it for weeks, works great.
programs starting up
gk141054 said:
Hi guys,
Have had my Hero just over a month now and love the thing to bits...
The one thing (battery life aside) that pees me off though is that the phone can be slow at times...
It seems to stem from apps either opening themselves and running in the background, or not closing properly when I select to close them.
I seem to spend half my time using the phone in TaskKiller getting rid of everything that shouldn't be running before I can do anything.
Has anyone got any smart ideas on how I can improve the problems above?
I've also noticed when I switch the phone off and back on a) it improves things slightly, but b) it also runs lots of things that I don't need open so is there a way to stop things running on start up?
Thanks for the help guys.
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Hey Pal! I had the same problem then I got into a bit of app development and understood. Some service need to be "broadcasting" and some other to be "listening". Best you can do is sometimes tell them how often to "wake up and check". But if you think about it, a program MUST be checking on a few things, at least sometimes, to give you the "android experience". Also, no matter how much you care about that number you see in the "free ram" widget (assunming you use taskiller with the widget), it is not very important until it REALLY does slow your phone down. Some apps are worse than others at clogging up or draining your battery: try them, weigh how useful they really are for you and then decide what to keep (running) Ciao!
Is it just Titan or Is it just WP over all?
Is it OS-associated or Is it App-associated?
I am inclined to believe keyboard disappearing few times while writing is more associated to random apps and only in Titan.
I haven't found other device users talking about such experience but few apps e.g. WhatsApp - has it more frequent!
How I wish with all these fantastic facilities, the developers for so called big apps used more knowledge to make better apps! They make such rubbish apps even after having far more functionalities on offer from the OS.
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Is it just Titan or Is it just WP over all?
Is it OS-associated or Is it App-associated?
I am inclined to believe keyboard disappearing few times while writing is more associated to random apps and only in Titan.
I haven't found other device users talking about such experience but few apps e.g. WhatsApp - has it more frequent!
How I wish with all these fantastic facilities, the developers for so called big apps used more knowledge to make better apps! They make such rubbish apps even after having far more functionalities on offer from the OS.
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I have omnia 7 too and sometimes keyboard disappears...
keidal said:
I have omnia 7 too and sometimes keyboard disappears...
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Does that suggest that it's OS related? Does it disappear when using only certain apps?
When I am emailing or using anything in ME tile - it never disappears. It often disappears while I type things within an app. It is very very rare when using messaging or IE.
It's a WP7 bug. It's due to the background agents. There are certain apps that do something in the background and make the keyboard disappear. Go to Settings > applications > background tasks and disable Background Agents on each application. Obviously if that app has to run in the background its functionality will be reduced but if you are having a lot of trouble with the keyboard disappearing this is the only fix for now.
This video shows a background task activating and the keyboard being hidden as a result:
I only have this issue(sometimes) when posting in forums. Aside from that,it works fine and doesn't disappear. ( such typing a text or browsing internet.....)
I have the same thing happen to me. I guess it's just a Titan bug.
The only two problems that really bugged me on my Titan were the keyboard disappearing and Espn goals not playing videos. They have both now started to work very well after my last update.
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Greetings,
I only had this problem like 2 times. And its most certainly because of the background apps running. I am a casual mobile user, and does not have many apps running at the same time. So am not experiencing this problem.
Possible solution = use single app at one time, and before using another app, quit it by using the back button on the phone.
I know it completely makes the multitasking ability a waste, but I don't use more than one app at a time, except for listening to music.
Try out this for a couple of days, and see if you still have the disappearing keyboard.
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Greetings,
I only had this problem like 2 times. And its most certainly because of the background apps running. I am a casual mobile user, and does not have many apps running at the same time. So am not experiencing this problem.
Possible solution = use single app at one time, and before using another app, quit it by using the back button on the phone.
I know it completely makes the multitasking ability a waste, but I don't use more than one app at a time, except for listening to music.
Try out this for a couple of days, and see if you still have the disappearing keyboard.
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I think I've even narrowed down your issue here!
It only happens when you have certain buggy apps that launch and un-launch your keyboards. Developers need to be more professional when making apps that use your internet.
example - I've tested it with Board express app as well as twitter and facebook apps. I think when you start writing something in these apps e.g. a forum post, a tweet or a reply to any message, it launches your keyboard. After a bit of inactivity it tries to un-launch it so that you could use the full screen estate. However that was meant to be a useful function by MS. So say you were writing a long post, then wanted to do something else while multi-tasking or something on your PC and the app stays there doing nothing, it stops using the keyboard. Less resources, less memory intense etc - the coool features stuff.
However, when these apps go in background, after a while they become dormant anyway. So if they run in background while you use for emailing, text or something involving your keyboard it keeps crazily unlaunching it! It doesn't understand that you don't want the keyboard for their app but for something else!
It doesn't happen that often thankfully! Only happened 3 times in nearly 2 months for me. But when that does happen, if you go to multitasking view and get rid of those apps that do this, you won't have the issue. Also a restart simply stops it for a long long time.
This is a WP bug where the background tasks are putting the keyboard into the foreground. Only way to stop it from happening is to disable all background agents from running in Settings.
I didn't have this happen with the HTC surround, but that was pr-mango. I din't have it happen with Dell Venue Pro, but that has a physical keyboard so maybe I didn't notice. Regardless, in my experience it's just Titan
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I didn't have this happen with the HTC surround, but that was pr-mango. I din't have it happen with Dell Venue Pro, but that has a physical keyboard so maybe I didn't notice. Regardless, in my experience it's just Titan
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Have a look here it's not just Titan, ms are looking into it.
I'd like to know what everyone is looking forward to the most with the next version of android.
My list:
-Multi-window (or at the very least a 50/50 side by side. I would love to be able to watch Netflix and browse simultaneously)
-Completely fix chrome
-fully integrated support for 3rd party application synchronization between devices (with real time data snycing)
-centralized gaming hub for high scores/achievements ect. (possibly integrated within Google+)
-support for optional cloud application data hosting (for those with not much local storage available)
-native theme support
-native NTFS support
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Nobody knows what will be in Key Lime Pie, or even if it will definitely be coming at IO, so this is a bit nonsensical to answer -- but still.
If I could request *one* feature for Key Lime Pie, it would be vastly-improved stability. No more random, total lockups of the user interface. No more sleep of death. No more random, spontaneous reboots. No more opening a web page and suddenly your whole browser vanishes with no error or warning of any kind. No more other apps doing the exact same thing.
In short, a properly stable operating system.
Oh, and proper multitasking where programs don't spontaneously close without warning when they're in the background, where programs don't stay running after you swipe them away from the recent apps list, and where they don't remain in the recent apps list after you exit them by actually shutting the app down. That'd be nice, too.
I couldn't care less about side-by-side display of apps; on my phone I would never use it because the screen is too small, and on my tablet I would never use it because that's what multitasking and switching between apps is for.
[quote="knoxploration"[/quote]No more random, total lockups of the user interface. No more sleep of death. No more random, spontaneous reboots. No more opening a web page and suddenly your whole browser vanishes with no error or warning of any kind. No more other apps doing the exact same thing.[/quote] I would agree that we'd all like to have our OS 100% rock-solid stable, and that this is a goal to strive for, but that sounds a bit odd...the way you're describing it, these things are quite frequent for you. I rarely see issues like this on my Galaxy Nexus running 4.2.2; I recently had to do a system wipe due to some corruption that caused super battery drain and issues with text messaging, but that's unrelated to this, really. The hardware on the Nexus 4 and Nexus 10 runs circles around my GNexus, too - is it really that bad? [quote="knoxploration"[/quote]Oh, and proper multitasking where programs don't spontaneously close without warning when they're in the background[/quote] That is automatic task killing used to keep RAM reserves in check and keep the system running smoothly at all times. The Nexus 4 and 10 have a LOT better experience with multitasking than older devices, with their 2GB of RAM. There's a reason Google upped the ante in that area! Android needs those resources to operate efficiently and properly. [quote="knoxploration"[/quote] where programs don't stay running after you swipe them away from the recent apps list[/quote] This one puzzles me...they don't stay running unless its a background process, like TextPlus or Gmail push notifications. And you can turn those off, if you want to. Some even do stop - if you swipe away Google Music, the background music stops playing as well.
As for side by side display, I have to agree with you. Not TOO meaningful on a tablet, definitely not a 4.6" phone. It would be a nice option, though.
By the way, nice topic HarmonyFlame! I love these kinds of posts. Theres great, positive discussion on them, usually.
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I would agree that we'd all like to have our OS 100% rock-solid stable, and that this is a goal to strive for, but that sounds a bit odd...the way you're describing it, these things are quite frequent for you.
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They are very, very frequent issues on my Asus Eee Pad Transformer TF101 (I own two, both do it.) It's an issue even on a stock, unrooted tablet without a single app installed, and has been ever since the Ice Cream Sandwich update. (It was fine on Honeycomb.)
I've not bought the Nexus 10 yet, but have already been warned it suffers the same issues.
It is much rarer on my phones than on tablets; they do it, but very rarely. The tablets do it on a daily basis.
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That is automatic task killing used to keep RAM reserves in check and keep the system running smoothly at all times. The Nexus 4 and 10 have a LOT better experience with multitasking than older devices, with their 2GB of RAM. There's a reason Google upped the ante in that area! Android needs those resources to operate efficiently and properly.
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I know why it is there. I also know it is poor design. I know which of the apps running in the background are important to me; the tablet doesn't. A good design would simply warn me that I was running low on memory, and let me choose which apps to kill, rather than killing something I potentially need. I have lost data to this; it is bad behavior.
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This one puzzles me...they don't stay running unless its a background process, like TextPlus or Gmail push notifications. And you can turn those off, if you want to. Some even do stop - if you swipe away Google Music, the background music stops playing as well.
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I can't provide examples as I don't remember which programs do it, but I have come across multiple apps that definitely stay open (with no notifications present, and these aren't background processes) when you swipe them away. Go to apps and force stop, the program will actually exit. Swipe it away from the recent apps list, and it will not.
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They are very, very frequent issues on my Asus Eee Pad Transformer TF101 (I own two, both do it.) It's an issue even on a stock, unrooted tablet without a single app installed, and has been ever since the Ice Cream Sandwich update. (It was fine on Honeycomb.)
I've not bought the Nexus 10 yet, but have already been warned it suffers the same issues.
It is much rarer on my phones than on tablets; they do it, but very rarely. The tablets do it on a daily basis.
I know why it is there. I also know it is poor design. I know which of the apps running in the background are important to me; the tablet doesn't. A good design would simply warn me that I was running low on memory, and let me choose which apps to kill, rather than killing something I potentially need. I have lost data to this; it is bad behavior.
I can't provide examples as I don't remember which programs do it, but I have come across multiple apps that definitely stay open (with no notifications present, and these aren't background processes) when you swipe them away. Go to apps and force stop, the program will actually exit. Swipe it away from the recent apps list, and it will not.
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So you don't own a nexus 10 but you're making comparison to the tf101? Which is a very old tablet! It doesn't matter to the system what apps are important to you, the system is going to decide what should be closed when is needed, specially if you let it sit in the back too long, why is Google going to worry about what app the user would like to keep open while is in the background, with how many apps we have today, that's for the end used to worry about, if you don't want to lose data just don't push that important task to the background until you're done with it. I personally think that it handles the task of killing apps when needed quite well, it will never be perfect for everyone but it sure is as good as it gets right now. If you're having issues closing apps, by having to force close from the manage apps menu then you need to see what app is causing this, because that's not normal..
I know there's always room for improvement , but that's why I run rooted and custom, that way you get the best available and not just what Google wants you to have.
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what multitasking and switching between apps is for.
The one thing I should love to see again is for them to somehow have the OS know that if you're running it on a tab, you get tab nav bar, and not like a phone/phablet, like in previous versions, or let the user decide which one to use, like our custom ROMs that have them, not like AOKP though, it still looks funky, they're too separate., I'm saying this but when it comes out I'll run it for a little bit, and be on the first custom rom after a dev cooks one up.
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So you don't own a nexus 10 but you're making comparison to the tf101? Which is a very old tablet! It doesn't matter to the system what apps are important to you, the system is going to decide what should be closed when is needed, specially if you let it sit in the back too long, why is Google going to worry about what app the user would like to keep open while is in the background, with how many apps we have today, that's for the end used to worry about, if you don't want to lose data just don't push that important task to the background until you're done with it. I personally think that it handles the task of killing apps when needed quite well, it will never be perfect for everyone but it sure is as good as it gets right now. If you're having issues closing apps, by having to force close from the manage apps menu then you need to see what app is causing this, because that's not normal..
I know there's always room for improvement , but that's why I run rooted and custom, that way you get the best available and not just what Google wants you to have.
My 2¢
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I'm comparing to the TF101 running numerous Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean ROMs, including the stock Asus ROM, plus the experiences of others using the Nexus 10 and other Android tablets. We'll see soon enough though as I just got the Nexus 10 myself today...
And wow, if your opinion is that it is the user's fault rather than poor OS design, then thank goodness you aren't an OS designer. The OS is supposed to be seeing the user's needs, not vice versa. People don't buy tablets because they want to be slaves to them.
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And wow, if your opinion is that it is the user's fault rather than poor OS design, then thank goodness you aren't an OS designer. The OS is supposed to be seeing the user's needs, not vice versa. People don't buy tablets because they want to be slaves to them.
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The OS doesn't care. If the RAM is getting full, and the OS needs the RAM in order to run something else, memory management will kill whatever it needs to in order to get enough RAM to run it. Regardless of the fact you, the user, use that app 4 times more than anything else currently in memory. The tablet is not learning your usage habits.
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The OS doesn't care. If the RAM is getting full, and the OS needs the RAM in order to run something else, memory management will kill whatever it needs to in order to get enough RAM to run it. Regardless of the fact you, the user, use that app 4 times more than anything else currently in memory. The tablet is not learning your usage habits.
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And that is precisely my point. The OS is dumb, and yet it forces its dumb decisions on the user. An intelligent OS would either learn which apps the user didn't want closed, provide a way to prioritize or prevent closing of certain apps or apps in certain states, or simply warn when the threshold nears and let the user decide what to close.
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I'm not sure if I want that feature... But now that you mention it I'm actually surprised it is not there... What with google being the king of tracking usage habits and all
It seems simple enough to implement. Have the ability to "pin" apps you want kept alive in the apps list.
Edit: Clarification.
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It seems simple enough to implement. Have the ability to "pin" apps you want kept alive in the apps list.
Edit: Clarification.
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I think it then becomes a tradeoff in terms of convenience. For example it might be more convenient if apps are forced to remain open if that is what the user wants, but at the same time it means that if you have a list of apps that the OS cannot close on it's own accord, and you suddenly decide you want to use an app that requires more resources than are available, due to them being used up with these pinned apps, does the user then have to manually go and close their apps down in order for the new app to run correctly?
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I think it then becomes a tradeoff in terms of convenience. For example it might be more convenient if apps are forced to remain open if that is what the user wants, but at the same time it means that if you have a list of apps that the OS cannot close on it's own accord, and you suddenly decide you want to use an app that requires more resources than are available, due to them being used up with these pinned apps, does the user then have to manually go and close their apps down in order for the new app to run correctly?
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That is infinitely preferable to the OS closing an app randomly and losing your data.
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knoxploration said:
That is infinitely preferable to the OS closing an app randomly and losing your data.
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And therein lies the issue. Who to cater for? You think this preferable, i think it not. Google has to decide which market to target. I have no statistics, just an opinion, but i personally think that there are probably a lot more people buying phones and tablets who just want to press a button and have the app work. As a user, i personally do not come across many instances where i switch back to an app and find i've lost my data, i imagine this is more important and relevant for people using their tablets and phones for more serious work be it business or study etc. But for someone just wanting to get onto facebook, or take a photo, or play a game, which is in my mind, the majority of users, i think it would be preferable to them not to have to have to start killing apps so as to get their youtube video to play in a smooth fashion.
Maybe google could arrive at a compromise, or a DEV could somehow implement it either as default or as an option, but for now i think that it is as it is for the sake of the general market. Most users are casual users, maybe not even technically proficient, they just want it to work in as simple fashion as possible. Just look at roms as an example. Plenty of roms offer plenty of features that people claim they want or need, but the vast majority of users happily get by without these supposedly important additional functions.
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I'm comparing to the TF101 running numerous Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean ROMs, including the stock Asus ROM, plus the experiences of others using the Nexus 10 and other Android tablets. We'll see soon enough though as I just got the Nexus 10 myself today...
And wow, if your opinion is that it is the user's fault rather than poor OS design, then thank goodness you aren't an OS designer. The OS is supposed to be seeing the user's needs, not vice versa. People don't buy tablets because they want to be slaves to them.
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But you're still comparing it to a tegra 2 , 1ghz processor , 1gig of ram tablet, apples and oranges.
And my opinion is coming from a person that has been into android since day one, still have my T-Mobile G1, among other devices, and the matter of fact is that the OS has never cared about apps open and what apps the user wanted to keep open, before we had to use app killers because they would stay open and eat up all the ram, yes this tablet has issues and is not perfect, but is still the best as of now. Apparently I hit a nerve with my comment, it wasn't my intention. I agree with you that the OS should see what apps get more use and give them some sort of priority over others to prevent them from being killed but it doesn't work that way as of now I'm afraid. Maybe that will be a new feature in key lime pie, intelligent memory management.
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knoxploration said:
That is infinitely preferable to the OS closing an app randomly and losing your data.
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Memory management is tricky. Physically memory can get fragmented so despite overall memory being available, what is there is in chunks too small to be actually use. There is nothing random about which app Android chooses to close when there is not enough memory. "Least used" logic would be just one example of how an app is choosen. Other factors are also taken into account.
A major feature of Andorid is memory management which includes that when an app starts it registers a "close routine". Android calls that routine when it needs more memory and has selected that app for closure. The routine lets the app gracefully save any user data before it is closed. Only poorly coded apps would loose values user data when signalled that it is being shutdown by the OS.
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Only poorly coded apps would loose values user data when signalled that it is being shutdown by the OS.
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So Google's stock browser and Chrome are both poorly-coded, then?
Those are the two apps that lose me data -- or simply force me to have to log back into websites over and over -- the most often due to this poor design.
knoxploration said:
So Google's stock browser and Chrome are both poorly-coded, then?
Those are the two apps that lose me data -- or simply force me to have to log back into websites over and over -- the most often due to this poor design.
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Have you not seen the number of complaints about chromes instability and such, it certainly seems that it is indeed poorly coded.
That said, i have never experienced this with chrome on my N10 at all. The only website that i find i am often asked to log back into is XDA, every other site is just fine.
when you are viewing a contact in People app and you switch away, if you go back to People it will loose context and show you the main list again. this is definitely an intended behavior and one of the worst usability flaws of the Android OS. is there a way to disable this horribly ****ty behavior? maybe replacing the People icon with a shortcut to a special activity? do i need to patch the source for this? thank you!
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when you are viewing a contact in People app and you switch away, if you go back to People it will loose context and show you the main list again. this is definitely an intended behavior and one of the worst usability flaws of the Android OS. is there a way to disable this horribly ****ty behavior? maybe replacing the People icon with a shortcut to a special activity? do i need to patch the source for this? thank you!
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Hmm. Sounds frustrating.I dunno about it being a default behavior. It doesn't happen on my phone, so can not recreate issue to see what's up. Are you going back to it after awhile, or like you just pop in another app and right back and it's back to the top of the list? I'm thinking maybe the system is being aggressive on the RAM front and shutting the app down if you are out of it for too long. If that is the case, then rooting and adjustin the memory management might be necessary. What phone and update are you on?
A quick, potential work around, is using another dialer / contact app other than the built in one. Go Dialer, ExDialer, and PixelPhone all come to mind.
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Hmm. Sounds frustrating.I dunno about it being a default behavior. It doesn't happen on my phone, so can not recreate issue to see what's up. Are you going back to it after awhile, or like you just pop in another app and right back and it's back to the top of the list? I'm thinking maybe the system is being aggressive on the RAM front and shutting the app down if you are out of it for too long. If that is the case, then rooting and adjustin the memory management might be necessary. What phone and update are you on?
A quick, potential work around, is using another dialer / contact app other than the built in one. Go Dialer, ExDialer, and PixelPhone all come to mind.
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thanks but not interested in a quick workaround involving other apps, especially closed source. i build my own system so i can patch it if it there is no other solution.
not a RAM issue, my 2GB device has plenty of it free.
yes, go out, right back in, and u land in the contact list again.
but... maybe i wasnt clear enough. if i switch back using the recent apps mechanism, it does return to the opened contact. the problem is when i switch back clicking the icon in the home screen or the app in the app drawer. the default behavior of android apps when u "open" them is to continue where you left off. this is both baked in the framework and also recommended by google. but as it happens with the People app which returns to the contact list, much of android and google apps break the recommended practices, probably in an effort to cause less confusion for android newbies or grandmas.
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this sucks! im not a grandma yet. and, i wish google got this, if google has to break the recommended practices to make android usable, then the recommended practices ARE FLAWED!
and yes they are. android sucks terribly in task switching usability. there is NO WAY to multitask as the master and owner of the device. there is no way to force on apps what you want to happen, no way to do what you want. the back key should take you to the previous activity, which may be a different app. but so many apps even coded by google take you to the main activity in the current app instead, causing that if you say open a notification, you'll have to hit back maybe many times to go back to your previous app, if you ever arrive there. btw, apps can override the back key to do anything else or even nothing which is crap.
the recent apps thingy works sometimes and other times it doesnt. since an app can launch an activity from another app in its own activity stack, you cant go back using recent apps because for android you never left the first app (although you did). and then you can only press back, except back might not take you back where you were at all!
there is no way to multitask in any predictable way. you have to learn per-app quirks and see what they let you do and what they don't. there is no way to a priori know what a tasking key will do, which is complete crap.
also under many situations android will forget what you were doing with cross app invocations (and this is PER ANDROID DESIGN) when you invoke twice activities of a single app from different apps.
the only key that works consistently is the home hey. and if from there you want to go back to an app you can't, because some apps -like People- choose to misbehave if clicked from the icon and may do what they want, like forgetting context and loosing your "work".
android's tasking system sucks horribly. i only use android because there's nothing better thats mature enough.
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I was waiting to buy the upcoming iPhone (Blasphemy!) but I just love how unique Find X is. It is going to be up for pre-order next week and I need some advice from you users.
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Thanks in advance. Will really appreciate your input. Cheers!
prophet558 said:
I was waiting to buy the upcoming iPhone (Blasphemy!) but I just love how unique Find X is. It is going to be up for pre-order next week and I need some advice from you users.
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Thanks in advance. Will really appreciate your input. Cheers!
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- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
Seems pretty solid but we won't know for a while!
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
Try looking in the forum, about three posts down in the "Killing apps" thread
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
Not so far but, it looks pretty easy to clean the dust away
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Power management is a B*&CH. See the same thread about "Killing Apps"
https://forum.xda-developers.com/find-X/help/killing-apps-screen-off-arghh-t3818105
Monty Burns said:
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
Seems pretty solid but we won't know for a while!
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
Try looking in the forum, about three posts down in the "Killing apps" thread
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
Not so far but, it looks pretty easy to clean the dust away
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Power management is a B*&CH. See the same thread about "Killing Apps"
https://forum.xda-developers.com/find-X/help/killing-apps-screen-off-arghh-t3818105
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Thanks a lot for the response. I have used ColorOS recently (Oppo Realme 1) and the Background app management was too aggressive.
prophet558 said:
Thanks a lot for the response. I have used ColorOS recently (Oppo Realme 1) and the Background app management was too aggressive.
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Yeah, it's on some sort of power trip (literally, in both senses of the phrase). That said, if you read through the thread i created, following a firmware upgrade yesterday and after a "settling period" things have been almost faultless today. My phone has been faultless and even thrown in a couple of reboots to challenge it and still been OK. My last problem of Gmail being forced to drop to 15 minute syncs instead of Push also seems to have resolved itself.
Now, i'm not sure if this is some sort of OS learning which apps I use, the firmware or just plain luck (or a combo) but, i'm now very happy with the device.
If you want your own launcher, it is entirely possible, as is removing the bloat (i'm running Nova) and there is no need to register with Oppo either. The link to achieve that is also in the thread I linked to.
I have no idea about battery life as when I'm at work it sits in a dock and then when i'm at home, it's also mostly in a dock so, battery life isn't really a concern but, i guess I'll find out this weekend!
prophet558 said:
I was waiting to buy the upcoming iPhone (Blasphemy!) but I just love how unique Find X is. It is going to be up for pre-order next week and I need some advice from you users.
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Thanks in advance. Will really appreciate your input. Cheers!
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1: The mechanism feels very durable, and 95% of the time the camera pops up fast. I have encountered 5% of time when the camera would pop up but the camera app takes an additional second or two to load.
2: nope. Unable to use nova launcher unless you into adb and do all types of advanced phone geek thing or something.
3: there's noticeable dust on my camera module but doesn't seem to be a big deal.
The big issue with this phone you should take note is, like many Chinese roms, push notifications are delayed or broken if the app has been closed or in background too long. There is a work around for this -- you have to go to settings and turn battery optimization off AND lock the app in the app overview window. This is of course, not ideal and annoying as hell. Currently I only have crucial "must get notifications on time" apps locked, such as whatsapp, wechat and Gmail. So for the most part I can use the phone fine. But I do miss all other notifications such as airbnb messages, Facebook messages, LinkedIn messages, until I open those apps again. I could lock all of them down too, but I don't want to have like seven apps running in background at all times.
This is a problem with many Chinese version of Chinese phones. I don't know why they think battery optimization so aggressive it kills notifications is a good thing.
prophet558 said:
I was waiting to buy the upcoming iPhone (Blasphemy!) but I just love how unique Find X is. It is going to be up for pre-order next week and I need some advice from you users.
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Thanks in advance. Will really appreciate your input. Cheers!
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1) Stock Android provides for incoming notifications to be seamless (automatic by default, individual 3rd party app settings may be different by default, but, can be easily toggled on). Oppo has severe restrictions on this, limiting to 5 user installed apps to start automatically on boot & 5 apps total to be locked in recent memory.
So, a high horsepower phone is basically muzzled, if you can deal with the angst of wondering if you're going to get timely notifications...... Perhaps if you use the stock email & messaging apps, these will likely work, but, I would steer clear of those....
2) No NFC, so, no tap to pay apps will work.
3) No VoLTE, no VoWI-FI
4) No status bar notification icons, no LED notification indicator.
5) If you use T-Mobile Digits & it isn't a top 5 protected app/one of your precious 5 to auto start on boot, it will log you out of the app on reboot & it will not work until you set it up again, resulting in missed messages & phone calls.
6) 3rd party clock apps: Again, if it's not a protected top 5 app, it will not keep proper time, resulting in missed alarms..... The stock clock works, but, it is a bare bones app at best, no snooze adjustment, locked into 5 minutes, SERIOUSLY?
7) Ad Blockers will work, but, intermittently, again, the top 5 protected app thing & even then, Oppo will kill it off at some point, resulting in having to restart the blocking.
8) If you choose to use a 3rd party launcher, you again lose some functionality. I use Chrome & frequently place shortcuts on my desktop from it.
NOT ON THIS PHONE, another swing & a miss....
9) Bluetooth devices:
Generally they work fine,but,if the device has a companion app,prepare for it (the app) to not work properly.
Example(s):
I have a pair of Jabra Elite Active 65t earbuds,pair-up & work fine,but,the companion app will not work,as it requires a plug-in app to fuel it. These various "plug-in" apps are typical & the companion apps work fine elsewhere,but,not on this phone.
Reason being,the "plug-in" app does not have a user interface,so,you cannot make the app a top 5 protected app to gain functionality,it simply won't work at all.
Ditto for smartwatches such as the Samsung line-up, for the same reason,no notifications,worked one day for me & broken the next,before & after the most recent Oppo update. That results in the Samsung smartwatch getting a lobotomy,only able to keep time & nothing more.
10) Package tracking apps:
Again,the top 5 protected thing,no timely updates & even then,mine simply did not refresh automatically,had to be done manually.
I could go on, but, in a nutshell, you're forced to make sacrifices as soon as you start using the phone. If this was a entry level/low storage/low RAM device, that's one thing.
But, it's not, basically a Lamborghini running on two cylinders, that's not what I paid for & why I sold mine 5 days after the most frustrating phone experience I've ever seen....
Sent from my HUAWEI BKL-L04 using XDA Labs
Monty Burns said:
Yeah, it's on some sort of power trip (literally, in both senses of the phrase). That said, if you read through the thread i created, following a firmware upgrade yesterday and after a "settling period" things have been almost faultless today. My phone has been faultless and even thrown in a couple of reboots to challenge it and still been OK. My last problem of Gmail being forced to drop to 15 minute syncs instead of Push also seems to have resolved itself.
Now, i'm not sure if this is some sort of OS learning which apps I use, the firmware or just plain luck (or a combo) but, i'm now very happy with the device.
If you want your own launcher, it is entirely possible, as is removing the bloat (i'm running Nova) and there is no need to register with Oppo either. The link to achieve that is also in the thread I linked to.
I have no idea about battery life as when I'm at work it sits in a dock and then when i'm at home, it's also mostly in a dock so, battery life isn't really a concern but, i guess I'll find out this weekend!
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That's very reassuring for me. Are you able to view the screen on time in this device? (Dunno why colorOS hides that).
radioraheem2 said:
1: The mechanism feels very durable, and 95% of the time the camera pops up fast. I have encountered 5% of time when the camera would pop up but the camera app takes an additional second or two to load.
2: nope. Unable to use nova launcher unless you into adb and do all types of advanced phone geek thing or something.
3: there's noticeable dust on my camera module but doesn't seem to be a big deal.
The big issue with this phone you should take note is, like many Chinese roms, push notifications are delayed or broken if the app has been closed or in background too long. There is a work around for this -- you have to go to settings and turn battery optimization off AND lock the app in the app overview window. This is of course, not ideal and annoying as hell. Currently I only have crucial "must get notifications on time" apps locked, such as whatsapp, wechat and Gmail. So for the most part I can use the phone fine. But I do miss all other notifications such as airbnb messages, Facebook messages, LinkedIn messages, until I open those apps again. I could lock all of them down too, but I don't want to have like seven apps running in background at all times.
This is a problem with many Chinese version of Chinese phones. I don't know why they think battery optimization so aggressive it kills notifications is a good thing.
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Thanks for the response. Hope backgeound app management better with the Global ROM.
The international version goes on sale in India and the Philippines today. We should soon get an idea of what the phone is capable of when it isn't hobbled by the oppressive Chinese firmware.
KOLIOSIS said:
1) Stock Android provides for incoming notifications to be seamless (automatic by default, individual 3rd party app settings may be different by default, but, can be easily toggled on). Oppo has severe restrictions on this, limiting to 5 user installed apps to start automatically on boot & 5 apps total to be locked in recent memory.
So, a high horsepower phone is basically muzzled, if you can deal with the angst of wondering if you're going to get timely notifications...... Perhaps if you use the stock email & messaging apps, these will likely work, but, I would steer clear of those....
2) No NFC, so, no tap to pay apps will work.
3) No VoLTE, no VoWI-FI
4) No status bar notification icons, no LED notification indicator.
5) If you use T-Mobile Digits & it isn't a top 5 protected app/one of your precious 5 to auto start on boot, it will log you out of the app on reboot & it will not work until you set it up again, resulting in missed messages & phone calls.
6) 3rd party clock apps: Again, if it's not a protected top 5 app, it will not keep proper time, resulting in missed alarms..... The stock clock works, but, it is a bare bones app at best, no snooze adjustment, locked into 5 minutes, SERIOUSLY?
7) Ad Blockers will work, but, intermittently, again, the top 5 protected app thing & even then, Oppo will kill it off at some point, resulting in having to restart the blocking.
8) If you choose to use a 3rd party launcher, you again lose some functionality. I use Chrome & frequently place shortcuts on my desktop from it.
NOT ON THIS PHONE, another swing & a miss....
9) Bluetooth devices:
Generally they work fine,but,if the device has a companion app,prepare for it (the app) to not work properly.
Example(s):
I have a pair of Jabra Elite Active 65t earbuds,pair-up & work fine,but,the companion app will not work,as it requires a plug-in app to fuel it. These various "plug-in" apps are typical & the companion apps work fine elsewhere,but,not on this phone.
Reason being,the "plug-in" app does not have a user interface,so,you cannot make the app a top 5 protected app to gain functionality,it simply won't work at all.
Ditto for smartwatches such as the Samsung line-up, for the same reason,no notifications,worked one day for me & broken the next,before & after the most recent Oppo update. That results in the Samsung smartwatch getting a lobotomy,only able to keep time & nothing more.
10) Package tracking apps:
Again,the top 5 protected thing,no timely updates & even then,mine simply did not refresh automatically,had to be done manually.
I could go on, but, in a nutshell, you're forced to make sacrifices as soon as you start using the phone. If this was a entry level/low storage/low RAM device, that's one thing.
But, it's not, basically a Lamborghini running on two cylinders, that's not what I paid for & why I sold mine 5 days after the most frustrating phone experience I've ever seen....
Sent from my HUAWEI BKL-L04 using XDA Labs
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Really appreciate the response. That seems a lot of sacrifices which I can make except for the Smartwatch thing. Do you think the Wear OS watches will crippled the same was as the Gear ones? (Despite Wear OS being a single app with no companion apps unlike the Gear)
prophet558 said:
Really appreciate the response. That seems a lot of sacrifices which I can make except for the Smartwatch thing. Do you think the Wear OS watches will crippled the same was as the Gear ones? (Despite Wear OS being a single app with no companion apps unlike the Gear)
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If you don't make it a "Top 5 Protected" app, count on it not syncing properly/automatically.
krabman said:
The international version goes on sale in India and the Philippines today. We should soon get an idea of what the phone is capable of when it isn't hobbled by the oppressive Chinese firmware.
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They have given a tentative delivery date - 5th of August on Flipkart (India).
Screw it I just pre-ordered it (Bordeaux Red). Shipping starts from 4th of August. Hope the phone gets relatively better with the Global Indian ROM. Thank you all for your inputs.
Does it has hi dac like vivo nex ?
rowihel2012 said:
Does it has hi dac like vivo nex ?
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No it doesn't.
KOLIOSIS said:
If you don't make it a "Top 5 Protected" app, count on it not syncing properly/automatically.
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As a Wear OS user (Polar M600) i can absolutely CONFIRM what Koliosis is saying and this is not just limited to Samsung Watches.
That said, my watch has been fine now for 2 days and, even after a reboot, the same apps are still auto-run and remain locked. I actually like this solution now BUT, why the FRACK have they restricted it to only 5 apps!?
Anyway, as an example, my locked and running fine apps are:
Wear OS
The Crypto App (so it's widget runs OK - take note, to run a widget, the PARENT app needs to be locked sometimes)
WhatsApp
Gmail
Google Calendar (again, for it's widget)
Now, for me, this is perfectly OK and I have no need to even want to lock other apps (like Facebook) as i'm not interested however, you need to assess YOUR needs which may be more apps.
edit: Oh, oddly, i've got the Sony Experia clock widget installed and that runs perfectly even without being locked and I've no idea why!
Also, I've got the red and it looks stunning. Easily the best looking phone i've ever owned. You'll be happy with the physical design.
prophet558 said:
They have given a tentative delivery date - 5th of August on Flipkart (India).
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Same here, will share my inputs once I receive the device :fingers-crossed:
Funk Wizard said:
Same here, will share my inputs once I receive the device :fingers-crossed:
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Looking forward to it....
I'd be open to getting the phone again,provided the version you'll be getting won't be locked-down,as far as Auto-Start/RAM/recents/app permissions go.
If you've perused the threads here,you're aware of the limitations the users have with the Chinese version,I sure hope your experience is leaps & bounds better.............. :good:
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Looking forward to it....
I'd be open to getting the phone again,provided the version you'll be getting won't be locked-down,as far as Auto-Start/RAM/recents/app permissions go.
If you've perused the threads here,you're aware of the limitations the users here have with the Chinese version,I sure hope your experience is leaps & bounds better.............. :good:
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If these restrictions do not exist on a non-Chinese version, I'll be flashing as soon as it is possible and a method is detailed!
KOLIOSIS said:
Looking forward to it....
I'd be open to getting the phone again,provided the version you'll be getting won't be locked-down,as far as Auto-Start/RAM/recents/app permissions go.
If you've perused the threads here,you're aware of the limitations the users have with the Chinese version,I sure hope your experience is leaps & bounds better.............. :good:
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I am positive for a better experience on the Indian version which is already better in terms of bloat and hopefully we can do a workaround for the other issues. I will keep you posted. Currently it's a long wait as the tentative delivery is 5th August so I'll share my inputs after playing with the machine for a couple of days
Many thanks for your inputs so far and the adb workaround for bloat.
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