Hello all
How often should you clear cache or fix permission using CWM?
Jim
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Personally I do it when ever the ROM that I am on starts acting a bit quirky. Which is not very often if you are running a stable build like VeganTab, CM7 or even the Froyo ROMs that have been out for a while. If you ever see yourself loading up a bunch of apps and running them allot. Over time you might would want to clear the cache and definitely fix permissions to get things back in order.
jweir said:
How often should you clear cache or fix permission using CWM?
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They're not something you need to do often, or even occasionally, as part of some preventive maintenance regimen.
If you switch ROMs, then you will have to clear cache. Actually, it's best to do a "wipe data/factory reset" in CWM in this case--cache will get formatted in the process.
You would want to clear cache if you upgrade the current ROM; it is better, though, to instead wipe dalvik-cache. Similarly, if you upgrade an app manually--ie. not via the Market or the usual Android update process: eg. by overwriting an app in /system/app or /data/app and rebooting the system--you might want to clear cache.
You might have to clear cache after powering on the tablet after a long (weeks, months) period of inactivity. In this case, the battery will go flat and the system will lose its date and time--going back in time, so to speak. This might, in turn,cause cached data to go out of whack--though Android should take care of this normally.
The "fix permissions" step is needed even less. This link explains why you would want to use it: Again, it might be needed after a ROM update, and not otherwise. This means that doing a fix permissions after a SD card repartition or a wipe data/factory reset step is nonsensical--the fix_permissions script operates on existing data.
hi,
this ROM works very nice for me, thanks all the deveopers!
i have few questions:
(1) since this ROM has OTA updater (it seems, from the changelog), next time when the new version is realeased, can i just update the ROM via OTA updater?
(2) i dont really understand what “Wipe cache/dalvik” and “Wipe data / factory reset” really do. my guess is that “Wipe data / factory reset” repartitions the internal flash memory of the original memory, so we can use all the memory for our purpose. (not like original Nook Tablet, in which they dedicate only 1GB for personal usage)
if i understand all these correctly, this means next time if i flash the new ROM and want to keep the old data, i should not do "Wipe data / factory reset", but only need to do "Wipe cache/dalvik"? is this correct?
thanks so much,
Jun
junkoi said:
hi,
this ROM works very nice for me, thanks all the deveopers!
i have few questions:
(1) since this ROM has OTA updater (it seems, from the changelog), next time when the new version is realeased, can i just update the ROM via OTA updater?
(2) i dont really understand what “Wipe cache/dalvik” and “Wipe data / factory reset” really do. my guess is that “Wipe data / factory reset” repartitions the internal flash memory of the original memory, so we can use all the memory for our purpose. (not like original Nook Tablet, in which they dedicate only 1GB for personal usage)
if i understand all these correctly, this means next time if i flash the new ROM and want to keep the old data, i should not do "Wipe data / factory reset", but only need to do "Wipe cache/dalvik"? is this correct?
thanks so much,
Jun
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Wipe data/factory reset is an option in CWM Recovery. Really all it does (from the screen messages) is format both /data and /cache.
Assuming you have CWM Recovery (though I imagine that there are similar entries in TWRP, I've just never used it), to wipe both of the caches you will first need to go to the entry "Wipe Cache Partition", which I believe is directly below Wipe Data/Factory Reset. Do that 3x (that's always been the recommendation, anyway) then go to Advanced and click on Wipe Dalvik Cache (again, 3x).
Again, assuming CWM Recovery, when you're in the recovery Vol Up/Down goes up and down in the list, the 'n' key is for Enter, and the Pwr button goes back.
I don't know about the OTA Updater. I always download and install ROMs (on both my phone and my NT) via Recovery.
Since this is a CM10 based rom you probably don't want to do the ota updater since that is a Cyanogenmod feature. This rom is optimized for the Nook from the CM10 Source I would presume. I personally tried the ota uldater since i get the notifications all the time but i get an error message something like "can't verify the source with a string of numbers". Stick to the recovery based flash installation.
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I agree with liquidzoo that you should probably do the wipe cache, wipe dalvik cache and factory reset 3times seems like overkill but you can never be too safe. Also i use twrp recovery and click the system button and wipe system a few times as well.
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kobhomye said:
I agree with liquidzoo that you should probably do the wipe cache, wipe dalvik cache and factory reset 3times seems like overkill but you can never be too safe. Also i use twrp recovery and click the system button and wipe system a few times as well.
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I wipe /system 3x as well (under Mounts in CWM Recovery) when I'm installing a new ROM.
liquidzoo said:
I wipe /system 3x as well (under Mounts in CWM Recovery) when I'm installing a new ROM.
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I'm not picking on you personally, but deleting and/or wiping partitions (in the case of /system) or directories (dalvik-cache) three times as opposed to once is completely unnecessary. You'll gain nothing by running the command three times over running it once, assuming you received no errors the first time.
When wiping the dalvik cache, both CM recovery and TWRP perform an "rm -rf /data/dalvik-cache" command using the shell. It's not Windows, and is unlikely to fail when passed the "-f (force)" option along with the "-r (recursive)" option.
In the case of wiping the /system partition, again both CM and TWRP write out zeros to clear the data on the partition. I would be suprised if CWM acted differently from CM and TWRP when wiping dalvik-cache and /system.
The only reason I bothered to look into what these commands actually do is to prevent a user from thinking there's a corellation between a failure to wipe 3x versus a problem they're having. If a 3x wipe "fixes" something for you, whatever the problem was, it's very unlikely that the second or third wipe was what fixed it but instead it was more likely a result of a clean install of the ROM.
References from source:
TWRP Wipe Dalvik - https://github.com/TeamWin/Team-Win...548de276b62c0e9af8661e/extra-functions.c#L986
TWRP Wipe/Format System - https://github.com/TeamWin/Team-Win...8de276b62c0e9af8661e/mtdutils/mtdutils.c#L498
CM Wipe Dalvik - https://github.com/CyanogenMod/andr...aa7ff3d06d5dd115b16c/extendedcommands.c#L1292
CM Wipe/Format System - https://github.com/CyanogenMod/andr...aa7ff3d06d5dd115b16c/mtdutils/mtdutils.c#L498
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No worries, it's just something I've always done as it's been recommended to me in the past (there are some ROM developers that recommend 5x, actually). I'm not saying that 3x over 1x is any better, but I've never had issues. YMMV, but it doesn't take much more time and I like being thorough.
liquidzoo said:
Wipe data/factory reset is an option in CWM Recovery. Really all it does (from the screen messages) is format both /data and /cache.
Assuming you have CWM Recovery (though I imagine that there are similar entries in TWRP, I've just never used it), to wipe both of the caches you will first need to go to the entry "Wipe Cache Partition", which I believe is directly below Wipe Data/Factory Reset. Do that 3x (that's always been the recommendation, anyway) then go to Advanced and click on Wipe Dalvik Cache (again, 3x).
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sorry, but can you confirm that when i upgrade to the new ROM (from the same author), it is really necessary to Wipe cache &Dalvik cache?
i am confused because somebody told me that i can just flash the ROM by installing the ZIP file (containing the ROM), and reboot the Nook without having to wipe or clean anything.
thanks,
JK
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junkoi said:
sorry, but can you confirm that when i upgrade to the new ROM (from the same author), it is really necessary to Wipe cache &Dalvik cache?
i am confused because somebody told me that i can just flash the ROM by installing the ZIP file (containing the ROM), and reboot the Nook without having to wipe or clean anything.
thanks,
JK
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I don't know if I am doing it right or wrong but I have flashed numerous ROMs and lately have flashed every version of SGT7+CM10+Cherry Picks,By meghd00t. from 24/09 thru my current installation of 08/10 with only one glitch and that was when I flashed enhancements v2 on top of v1.
I have never had any other issues with the above mentioned ROMs except when I flashed 04/10 with enhancement v2. I didn't have the tablet option.
The way I do it is as follows:
1. format /system
2. format /data
3. Flash ROM
4. Flash CWM emmc
5. Flash GAPPs
6. Reset Factory/format data
7. Remove CWM SD card put in data SD Card with Flash Player (no longer avail on Google Play)
8. Boot from CWM menu
Takes awhile to boot this first time. When booted up I bypass the setup screens.
9. Manually set up wireless (need to access auth web site at work and need wireless to be working to accomplish that)
10. Browse to a web site and get redirected to auth page.
11. Auth
12. Set up Google account and other settings, especially under Security <Install from other locations>
13. Download apps I want from Google.
At this first boot SD card is not mounted.
14. Shut down and do a cold boot.
Now I can see SD Card.
15. Install Flash Player from External SD Card.
16. Install Crackle from Play Store.
Now I check Pandora for Audio, Crackle for Video, other apps I use, utilities, keyboards, launchers, games, etc.
So far since Version 24/09 everything has worked for me with the two exceptions above, tablet mode with 04/10 with enhancement v2 and when I flashed enhancement v2 over enhancement v1.
I am now running 08/10 and am very happy with the performance, battery drain is more than CM7 but that is to be expected from a fairly new ROM but not so bad that it is unacceptable, to me at least.
I have never had a black screen or arbitrary reboot (knock on wood). However I do turn my tablet off when I am finished using it, so don't know about deep sleep. I'm using OnDemand, and three launchers without one being the default....Apex, Nova and Trebucket.
All I can say is these developers really ROCK, way to go guys!
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MojoGB said:
The way I do it is as follows:
1. format /system
2. format /data
3. Flash ROM
4. Flash CWM emmc
5. Flash GAPPs
6. Reset Factory/format data
7. Remove CWM SD card put in data SD Card with Flash Player (no longer avail on Google Play)
8. Boot from CWM menu
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You don't need to re-flash CWM every time you flash a ROM. Also, it doesn't make sense to me why you would do a factory reset/format after flashing the new ROM, I would think it would be done prior to flashing the ROM but maybe it doesn't make a difference, I don't know.
I've got TWRP installed to the emmc so I just download the new ROM to the SD with GooManager, reboot into recovery, do a backup, factory reset, flash new ROM & GApps and reboot. Only takes a few minutes.
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LifeWOutMilk said:
You don't need to re-flash CWM every time you flash a ROM. Also, it doesn't make sense to me why you would do a factory reset/format after flashing the new ROM, I would think it would be done prior to flashing the ROM but maybe it doesn't make a difference, I don't know.
I've got TWRP installed to the emmc so I just download the new ROM to the SD with GooManager, reboot into recovery, do a backup, factory reset, flash new ROM & GApps and reboot. Only takes a few minutes.
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Tried it as you mentioned, doing a factory reset before flashing the ROM and got a black screen and wouldn't boot. May have been a fluke but the way I mentioned above gives me a good image and alway boots. Don't know why, but if it works for me, I will continue to do it this way as long as it works for me. I have flashed numerous other ROMs the same way with good results each time.
junkoi said:
sorry, but can you confirm that when i upgrade to the new ROM (from the same author), it is really necessary to Wipe cache &Dalvik cache?
i am confused because somebody told me that i can just flash the ROM by installing the ZIP file (containing the ROM), and reboot the Nook without having to wipe or clean anything.
thanks,
JK
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For an update, yes it is recommended to clear both caches. To be clear, this is only for an update. If it is a new ROM, or if the author recommends it, you should also wipe /data and /system first.
You can just flash without clearing them, but you might run into unexpected issues, so it's not recommended.
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Tried it as you mentioned, doing a factory reset before flashing the ROM and got a black screen and wouldn't boot. May have been a fluke but the way I mentioned above gives me a good image and alway boots. Don't know why, but if it works for me, I will continue to do it this way as long as it works for me. I have flashed numerous other ROMs the same way with good results each time.
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I get a black screen for a while on first boot too, but it only last a couple minutes at the most and if you shine a bright light at the screen you can see the CM logo spinning. Are you sure it was hung?
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When you clear the Dalvik cache, it clears out data stored in your applications. When you turn on your Nook after clearing the Dalvik, the first thing it does is it rebuilds the Dalvik cache, that's why it seemed like it hung on startup. I believe the long black screen in the beginning is when it rebuilds Dalvik for core Android apps and then when it says "Optimizing Apps", that's for the rest of your applications. The more apps you have, the longer it will take to build the Dalvik. No need to freak out, just a little patience is all you need. Correct me if I'm wrong, however, as I'm still pretty much a noob at this... :laugh:
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topdawg7793 said:
When you clear the Dalvik cache, it cleares out data stored in your applications. When you turn on your Nook after clearing the Dalvik, the first thing it does is it rebuilds the Dalvik cache, that's why it seemed like it hung on startup. I believe the long black screen in the beginning is when it rebuilds dalvik for core Android apps and then when it says "Optimizing Apps", that's for the rest of your applications. The more apps you have, the longer it will take to build the dalvik. No need to freak out, just a little patience is all you need. Correct me if I'm wrong, however, as I'm still pretty much a noob at this... :laugh:
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Well fhe screen was black, no light at all and I waited for over five minutes for the Flash Screen to come up and it never did. Yes I know when you are waiting time drags. But due to the ROMS always taking awhile to boot up the first time I actually pay attention to how long it takes. No more then 2 minutes in my experience. I had to hold the power button in for a long time until it finally booted in B&N Recovery. Used my sequence mentioned in earlier post to flash the ROM again and everything worked as it should, GREAT. The number of APPs shouldn't be an issue as these ROMS only have the very basic apps.
I have read this forum and see the various and asundry errors some are getting, so far I have never gotten a major error, except for when I forgot to do the Wipe Data/Factory Reset after flashing.
I also got the "No Tablet Mode Option" with 04/10 with enhancement v2.
But I consider these minor issues and currently am running 08/10 with no issues, works smoother then any version of Microsoft Windows I have dealt with.
These developers are exceptional.
MojoGB said:
I don't know if I am doing it right or wrong but I have flashed numerous ROMs and lately have flashed every version of SGT7+CM10+Cherry Picks,By meghd00t. from 24/09 thru my current installation of 08/10 with only one glitch and that was when I flashed enhancements v2 on top of v1.
I have never had any other issues with the above mentioned ROMs except when I flashed 04/10 with enhancement v2. I didn't have the tablet option.
The way I do it is as follows:
1. format /system
2. format /data
3. Flash ROM
4. Flash CWM emmc
5. Flash GAPPs
6. Reset Factory/format data
7. Remove CWM SD card put in data SD Card with Flash Player (no longer avail on Google Play)
8. Boot from CWM menu
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oh, so you always reset factory every time you upgrade the ROM? that way will delete all the old data/apps you installed, so you need to install all the apps again?
this is my concern, because i dont want to reinstall apps, or lose my data. so i think i just need flash the new ROM, then Wipe cache/Dalvik cache, and hopefully all the old apps and data are still intact.
thanks.
MojoGB said:
I don't know if I am doing it right or wrong but I have flashed numerous ROMs and lately have flashed every version of SGT7+CM10+Cherry Picks,By meghd00t. from 24/09 thru my current installation of 08/10 with only one glitch and that was when I flashed enhancements v2 on top of v1.
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i have some questions on the "Enhancements":
(1) the correct way to install them is to flash version 1 first, then immediately flash version 2 right after version 1 (without having to reboot first)?
(2) i am not sure what i will get with this "enhancements". they will make video/audio playing more smoothly? is the quality improvement really noticable? anything else, like they make the battery last longer, for example?
thanks,
Jun
If you're running 08/10, the enhancements are not needed. That's my understanding at least. I had problems with V2 so I decided to not install them while on 04/10.
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junkoi said:
i have some questions on the "Enhancements":
(1) the correct way to install them is to flash version 1 first, then immediately flash version 2 right after version 1 (without having to reboot first)?
(2) i am not sure what i will get with this "enhancements". they will make video/audio playing more smoothly? is the quality improvement really noticable? anything else, like they make the battery last longer, for example?
thanks,
Jun
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If you flash enhancement v2 on top of version 1 you will have problems, UI will stop. If you only flash v2 you will not have the Tablet Mode Option. So my understanding is that you can use either v1 or v2 but not both.
ROM 08/10 does not need either enhancement as indicated by the developer. ROM 08/10 works great by itself is my experience.
If I'm installing a ROM, backup the existing ROM and wipe everything.
If I'm installing a .zip package like GApps or an enhancement, backup the existing ROM, wipe Data/Dalvik.
Folks, these are development ROMS. Thar be bugs in thet thar code. It's going to take you longer than the time you think you're going to save by doing a dirty flash, and then having to restore the thing to stock (worse case) only to start all over.
Don't ask how I know.
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If I'm installing a ROM, backup the existing ROM and wipe everything.
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so it is possible to back up the existing data/apps, then restore them back after the new ROM is flashed? could you please confirm this?
if so, how & what is the right steps to do the backup? can we still use CWM, or use ROM Manager, or other tools?
thanks
Recently I flashed my phone with Cookiesandcream-quincyatt-1012 rom and my phone went all laggy and slow.
restored back to my CM10quincyatt that i had prior to cookiesandcream, and now that was acting all laggy.
I have tried several different roms(slim bean, liquid jb, cm9, cm10, and jelly beer, which seems to be working the best at least) and all of them seem to have the same issue, they act slow as soon as I use the volume rocker, and then my volume delays 10 seconds or so before it actually changes, and there not even sound coming from my phone. and is just laggy and has delays when i touch apps/settings etc.
aswell as soon as i boot up the phone after a flash, i get the gapps welcome setup screen(wifi setup, google account stuff, etc.)
i click "OK" and the button turns blue and will stay blue for 10 seconds before it actually does anything.
I have done factory reset, cache, dalvik cache, internal storage wipe.
Nothing seems to work.
It worked a tiny better after internal storage wipe, but i just need my phone in a useable state right now.
can anyone help? :s
Beelee29 said:
Recently I flashed my phone with Cookiesandcream-quincyatt-1012 rom and my phone went all laggy and slow.
restored back to my CM10quincyatt that i had prior to cookiesandcream, and now that was acting all laggy.
I have tried several different roms(slim bean, liquid jb, cm9, cm10, and jelly beer, which seems to be working the best at least) and all of them seem to have the same issue, they act slow as soon as I use the volume rocker, and then my volume delays 10 seconds or so before it actually changes, and there not even sound coming from my phone. and is just laggy and has delays when i touch apps/settings etc.
aswell as soon as i boot up the phone after a flash, i get the gapps welcome setup screen(wifi setup, google account stuff, etc.)
i click "OK" and the button turns blue and will stay blue for 10 seconds before it actually does anything.
I have done factory reset, cache, dalvik cache, internal storage wipe.
Nothing seems to work.
It worked a tiny better after internal storage wipe, but i just need my phone in a useable state right now.
can anyone help? :s
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Data.......you likely have either old data that is intended for a different architecture...
, or you are restoring data into the builds by using a restore app like titanium backup.
Several of the roms you mention are very fast and smooth when set up properly, but it is very important to clean the device before a flash, and keep it clean by installing applications from market..
Many users do restore apps via titanium backup and other applications designed to do so, but you must never restore the data associated with the apps from a previous build, unless it is the same build.
Wipe cache
Dalvik cache
data
and system...prior to any new build, and again, do not restore apps that contain data.....g
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Data.......you likely have either old data that is intended for a different architecture...
, or you are restoring data into the builds by using a restore app like titanium backup.
Several of the roms you mention are very fast and smooth when set up properly, but it is very important to clean the device before a flash, and keep it clean by installing applications from market..
Many users do restore apps via titanium backup and other applications designed to do so, but you must never restore the data associated with the apps from a previous build, unless it is the same build.
Wipe cache
Dalvik cache
data
and system...prior to any new build, and again, do not restore apps that contain data.....g
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I have done all of the above many times, and installed new roms, the roms always end up laggy, the improve over time,
but once the phone restarts, it becomes laggy again.
also i have no sound coming from my phone at all.
music wont even play. I press play and it immidiatly pauses. even if i try to press play again.
and i have never used titanium backup, the only time i restore, is using the restore function in TWRP using a backup of a previous rom i had. I never ported any data from any apps using programs like that.
by the way, when i look through my mounts and storage(using CWM), it shows that all my things say "mount /efs" or "mount /data" and so on.
are all of these supposed to say unmount?
EDIT: Solved problem, Unrooted the phone using odin3 v3.04 and stock I717RUXLF4_I717RRWCLF4_I717RUXLF4_HOME.tar.md5 and re-rotting solved the problem.
Data corruption .....
I'm glad you found the cause .....g
than go flash black star, no chance of that problem