Exactly what subject says.
Can it?
a.mcdear said:
Exactly what subject says.
Can it?
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I don't believe so. From what I understand, XLTE utilizes the 750MHz and 1700MHz bands. The Rezound only supports the 750MHz band.
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Exactly what subject says.
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XLTE is just a branding of Verizon's newer LTE network and deployment of VoLTE (Voice over LTE)
The Rezound only supports 700Mhz Band 13 LTE...
Verizon's implementation of VoLTE/XLTE is using 1700Mhz Band 4 LTE...
So, not possible in it's current implementation by Verizon.
Most LTE handsets are capable of VoLTE, technically speaking, but it appears carriers seem to be implementing it in a very non-generic way. In the US carriers (Verizon especially so) are still worried about keeping their LTE networks locked down to their own subsidized handsets only. Implementing a standardized VoLTE implementation could open up their network to third party handsets, and VZW don't like that.
Cool guys, thanks for the info!
I've noticed a huge slowdown of data speeds recently...maybe it's the unlimited throttling thing maybe XLTE implementation, I'm not sure, but I don't like it. (Los Angeles, CA). Just putting it out there, not sure if others have noticed as well.
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I recently saw that the HTC Thunderbolt will support simultaneous 1X Voice and EV-DO Data (SVDO 3G). Does anybody know if existing phones such as the Fascinate can support this?
I don't think fascinate does that.
I believe the phone requires special hardware to be able to support SVDO, which the Fascinate probably lacks.
Possibly, but we're likely missing a crap load of software that would be required for it to work, and potentially hardware. Feel free to look into getting it to work on our phones as well. I'm sure many people would like to know how it's done.
Isn't this one of the perks of being on GSM network? Afaik, LTE is a GSM technology, and therefore would support SVDO.
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SVDO means that the phone supports simultaneous 1x voice and EVDO data. Has nothing to do with LTE as far as I know.
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Isn't this one of the perks of being on GSM network? Afaik, LTE is a GSM technology, and therefore would support SVDO.
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No, this is called SVDO, basically it take's two radio's so it can run 1X which is the CDMA2000 voice standard and EVDO which is the CDMA2000's 3G evolution and run both at the same time which previous radio's couldn't. Nothing to do with LTE.
Also LTE isn't GSM, it's an evolution of UMTS. GSM cannot do simultaneous voice and data, only 3G UMTS/HSPA can achieve that.
No, at the moment the thunderbolt is the only phone on verizon capable of SDVO.
Does anyone know if it is possible to use Verizon's LTE on the Evo LTE? Kind of like the Verizon roaming hack that was available for a little bit?
It might be too soon to tell....just wondering if anybody knew.
champ052005 said:
Does anyone know if it is possible to use Verizon's LTE on the Evo LTE? Kind of like the Verizon roaming hack that was available for a little bit?
It might be too soon to tell....just wondering if anybody knew.
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Sprint's and Verizon's LTE operates on different freqs, and afaik, the phone only is set to operate on Sprint's freq. So not possible.
Not Possible....
What they said.
LTE service will be more fragmented than 3G service.
All the major players are not paying nice with each other's frequency.
Señor Poo said:
What they said.
LTE service will be more fragmented than 3G service.
All the major players are not paying nice with each other's frequency.
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Not the case. Each provider uses certain bandwidth that they "purchased" by auction from the FCC. They can only use those frequencies allocated (licensed) to them transmission wise. The hardware has to be type certified by the FCC for use only on the providers licensed frequencies. See the FCC doesn't care what frequencies you receive, but more on what/where you transmit in the RF spectrum.
You'll never see cross-licensing. For two reason's. The law won't allow it (monopoly/anti-trust), and the companies won't (one big winner, and nobody wants to be one of the losers).
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Not the case. Each provider uses certain bandwidth that they "purchased" by auction from the FCC. They can only use those frequencies allocated (licensed) to them transmission wise. The hardware has to be type certified by the FCC for use only on the providers licensed frequencies. See the FCC doesn't care what frequencies you receive, but more on what/where you transmit in the RF spectrum.
You'll never see cross-licensing. For two reason's. The law won't allow it (monopoly/anti-trust), and the companies won't (one big winner, and nobody wants to be one of the losers).
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From PC Mag:
"...Verizon and AT&T both run their LTE networks in the 700-MHz band. But Verizon's network is mostly in 746-787MHz, while AT&T's will be primarily in 704-746MHz. Some Verizon and AT&T spectrum overlaps in an area called the "lower B block," but not much..."
More on why you won't see it happen:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2388526,00.asp
Just wondering why Sprint doesn't continue to use Wimax on devices like the E4GLTE? With GSM carriers they're incorporating 3g along with HSPA+ and rolling out LTE (AT&T), wich is great because between all 3 options you should be able to get some awesome data speeds pretty much all the time. Wouldn't it be great if you lived in a Wimax area with LTE you could fall back on one or the other depending on wich had a stronger signal. Im just wondering why Sprint is not going this route. With all of the reviews of the E4GLTE the one resounding fact is that there is currently no LTE anywhere and 3G speeds are horrid. It seems like keeping Wimax and using it when you can would have been a good option, at least temporarily. Any ideas?
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Just wondering why Sprint doesn't continue to use Wimax on devices like the E4GLTE? With GSM carriers they're incorporating 3g along with HSPA+ and rolling out LTE (AT&T), wich is great because between all 3 options you should be able to get some awesome data speeds pretty much all the time. Wouldn't it be great if you lived in a Wimax area with LTE you could fall back on one or the other depending on wich had a stronger signal. Im just wondering why Sprint is not going this route. With all of the reviews of the E4GLTE the one resounding fact is that there is currently no LTE anywhere and 3G speeds are horrid. It seems like keeping Wimax and using it when you can would have been a good option, at least temporarily. Any ideas?
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Well...umm...
1. Wimax requires a different radio. LTE is built into the CPU, so you'd have to have a separate chip for wimax.
2. Wimax sucks. Its only claim to fame is that it was the first 4G available. Building penetration is crap.
3. Having both in the phone would cause power drains like you wouldn't believe.
4. Sprint is shutting down Wimax to focus on LTE. I imagine the expense of keeping both running is pretty high.
Just sit back and be patient. LTE will be there soon enough. Or stick with your current wimax phone and wait until you have LTE to upgrade. If your main reason for the upgrade is LTE then you should reconsider your options.
Remember HD DVDs? and BluRay? Which one is still around?
Also, Plasma, DLP, LCD, LED technologies in TVs. Its a 'technology war' thing.
WiMax and LTE were two technologies like this. LTE won as BluRay did and to keep up, Sprint has to rebuild their network. Also, the reasons stated above in smw6180's post.
I actually could care less about which one I have as I'm on wifi most of the time. This was truly "Just a question". But isn't HSPA+ a dead technology but its still being included into GSM devices even the ones with LTE. Im just wondering why it is and Wimax isnt. And where I'm at Wimax is awesome I get anywhere from 4-8mbs when im on it.
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HSPA+ isn't dead at all. The rest of the world uses it. Try a T-Mobile or At&t phone on HSPA+ 42.
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I most certainly would love to. I hope the International GS3 has HSPA+ and I can get it unlocked and use it on T-mobile. I miss GSM but dont really care much for ATT and I read somewhere T-Mobile is revamping there prepaid data plans, so hopefully I will get to try it out.
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HSPA+ isn't dead at all. The rest of the world uses it. Try a T-Mobile or At&t phone on HSPA+ 42.
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smw6180 said:
Well...umm...
1. Wimax requires a different radio. LTE is built into the CPU, so you'd have to have a separate chip for wimax.
2. Wimax sucks. Its only claim to fame is that it was the first 4G available. Building penetration is crap.
3. Having both in the phone would cause power drains like you wouldn't believe.
4. Sprint is shutting down Wimax to focus on LTE. I imagine the expense of keeping both running is pretty high.
Just sit back and be patient. LTE will be there soon enough. Or stick with your current wimax phone and wait until you have LTE to upgrade. If your main reason for the upgrade is LTE then you should reconsider your options.
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Totally agree, and number "2" is definitely a must for me I have tested it here and wimax well you said it, and more now is adding both radio and battery on-board will give a A+ with power as well
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Just wondering why Sprint doesn't continue to use Wimax on devices like the E4GLTE? With GSM carriers they're incorporating 3g along with HSPA+ and rolling out LTE (AT&T), wich is great because between all 3 options you should be able to get some awesome data speeds pretty much all the time. Wouldn't it be great if you lived in a Wimax area with LTE you could fall back on one or the other depending on wich had a stronger signal. Im just wondering why Sprint is not going this route. With all of the reviews of the E4GLTE the one resounding fact is that there is currently no LTE anywhere and 3G speeds are horrid. It seems like keeping Wimax and using it when you can would have been a good option, at least temporarily. Any ideas?
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GSM carriers include 3g, HSPA+, and LTE because HSPA+ is an extension to 3G, using the same radio. Therefore there are still only two radios in the device: WCDMA (which is 3G with HSPA+) and LTE. Sprint's doing the same thing - their equivalent is having 1xAdvanced, EVDO rev B, and LTE.
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GSM carriers include 3g, HSPA+, and LTE because HSPA+ is an extension to 3G, using the same radio. Therefore there are still only two radios in the device: WCDMA (which is 3G with HSPA+) and LTE. Sprint's doing the same thing - their equivalent is having 1xAdvanced, EVDO rev B, and LTE.
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Great answer my friend. I completely understand now. I didn't know what 1x advanced and EVDO rev B were before. Now are any of those capable of the speeds HSPA+ is though?
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Great answer my friend. I completely understand now. I didn't know what 1x advanced and EVDO rev B were before. Now are any of those capable of the speeds HSPA+ is though?
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No, HSPA is in its own class of speed, CDMA doesn't have anything close to it. And it's not like sprint's network could handle much anyway, since there's plenty of dirtbags abusing the Unlimited service.
Simple question: why is Sprint starting to roll out one spectrum of LTE now, and then changing it to a different one later (2013 and on)? Why not start off with the superior one that penetrates walls better to begin with? Any advantages to the frequency currently being built up?
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They're starting on 1900 then adding 800 not replacing 1900. Both will be used LTE in 2013. Also they can't use 800 till Iden is off it. IDEN on 800 won't be dead till 2013. Sprint is decommissioning iden towers now in preparation for the shutdown. They are trying to migrate people over to sprint direct connect which uses the cdma network for direct connect.
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This site is the best for sprint LTE info...
http://s4gru.com/
okay, this will be fun to try and explain. first of all, my source is this:
http://www.hightechforum.org/low-versus-high-radio-spectrum/ and logic
Data is sent through wavelengths across different frequencies. Basically, the higher the frequency the higher the capacity and the lower the frequency the higher the coverage.
Sprint's WiMax runs on 2500 MHz, which explains the crappy coverage. Verizon has great LTE coverage because it runs on 700 MHz. The reason Sprint went with the higher frequency was probably to meet the demands of an "unlimited data" community because it would have a much much greater capacity than the 700 MHz spectrum Verizons running. This is also why cell providers with much better coverage (ones near 1000 MHz) have to throttle so hard and limit the amount of data usage: because they have much lower capacities (bandwidth) to share with their consumers in those frequencies.
Of course, cell companies dont only use one band of the spectrum. They send it across one low and one high to accomodate both capacity and coverage (i believe Verizon uses 700 and 1400 MHz). What david279 said is correct, Sprint will use both 800 and 1900 MHz eventually, so its gonna have a great LTE network.
So to answer the original question, Sprint was probably confident to launch the 1900 MHz frequency by itself because it is a good medium. 700 and 2500 MHz are at the ends of the spectrum. The best speed results would be more towards the middle. Instead of having great coverage and LTE speeds as low as 1gb/s with the 800 MHz frequency, or poor coverage with WiMax speeds of ~3gb/s (about what i've gotten) with the 2500 MHz frequency, Sprint's settling with good coverage with LTE speeds of Xgb/s (higher than 3, for sure) with the 1900 MHz frequency with coverage later to be improved once the 800 MHz frequency is included
So be ready in 2014 to buy the EVO 4G LTE+, since our phones can't pick up the 800.
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So be ready in 2014 to buy the EVO 4G LTE+, since our phones can't pick up the 800.
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Could that be fixed by a software update, or is it strictly hardware related?
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PsiPhiDan said:
Could that be fixed by a software update, or is it strictly hardware related?
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Strictly hardware. It's also one of the reasons lte roaming isn't in the cards.
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Wow, very informative!
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Verizon only uses 700mhz for their LTE Network, Not 1400mhz. I believe 1400mhz is a government used band. Also, Sprint cant use 800mhz until the 3GPP and FCC clear that band for LTE use. On top of that Clearwire will be doing TD-LTE on 2500, which will have international roaming compadibility in europe, and yes Sprint did sign a deal with clearwire so they can use that band as well for their customers.
TD-LTE is LTE used on a spectrum that does not have a upload frenquency only download.
FDD-LTE is normal LTE used with a frenquency that has both download and upload.
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Verizon only uses 700mhz for their LTE Network, Not 1400mhz. I believe 1400mhz is a government used band. Also, Sprint cant use 800mhz until the 3GPP and FCC clear that band for LTE use. On top of that Clearwire will be doing TD-LTE on 2500, which will have international roaming compadibility in europe, and yes Sprint did sign a deal with clearwire so they can use that band as well for their customers.
TD-LTE is LTE used on a spectrum that does not have a upload frenquency only download.
FDD-LTE is normal LTE used with a frenquency that has both download and upload.
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1400 MHz is allocated for WMTS (Wireless Medical Telemetry) as primary user, secondary is non-medical telemetry. 1400 MHz was military until 1999 when it was "sold off" to the highest bidder.
Radio has got to be one of the greatest discoveries of man. Up there with antibiotics, ya?
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typhoonikan said:
Radio has got to be one of the greatest discoveries of man. Up there with antibiotics, ya?
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And one of the greatest addictions as well. I own a fairly large (though shrinking) collection of all things radio.
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No LTE roaming?
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Strictly hardware. It's also one of the reasons lte roaming isn't in the cards.
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No LTE roaming? Does that mean the EVO 4G LTE can't make or receive roaming calls, or just that it won't use the LTE network for them?
While I'm asking newbie questions, I gather the switch to LTE doesn't make Sprint phones (except the iPhone & one Motorola phone) usable in foreign countries, even countries with LTE networks. Is there any way to make it work overseas (without major surgery)?.
I'm probably going to get this phone when I upgrade, but it would be nice to be able to use it when I travel. International functionality is the only reason I'm still slightly tempted by the iPhone. Well, that and the boffo camera software on the iPhone.
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Radio has got to be one of the greatest discoveries of man. Up there with antibiotics, ya?
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Well except for the radiation lol
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No LTE roaming? Does that mean the EVO 4G LTE can't make or receive roaming calls, or just that it won't use the LTE network for them?
While I'm asking newbie questions, I gather the switch to LTE doesn't make Sprint phones (except the iPhone & one Motorola phone) usable in foreign countries, even countries with LTE networks. Is there any way to make it work overseas (without major surgery)?.
I'm probably going to get this phone when I upgrade, but it would be nice to be able to use it when I travel. International functionality is the only reason I'm still slightly tempted by the iPhone. Well, that and the boffo camera software on the iPhone.
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only the lte is limited to the sprint network. you can still use the phone in countries that use the same cdma network as sprint. plug in the country you'll be going to in that link - if it says cdma, you're probably ok. But if international roaming is important to you, this probaly isn't the phone to get (depending on where you go, anyway).
CDMA HSDPA and LTE
How can ATT use LTE Band V2,17,4 Etc. which is 700, 1700, 1900 if other carriers are using those bands. I don't see anybody updating the Wikipedia from day to day with who has what. I see that the Chinese manufacturers are not producing phones for the US carriers except for a few high end phones like the Oneplus One. Is something going on that only Samsung seems to care about, producing a phone with 6 Bands or are the manufactures just waiting for the dust to settle? Don't you agree that a user who buys their phone wants to be able to switch carriers if they move, allowing for more freedom, or what ever reason, should have a phone that handles multiple frequencies. Most of the newer models coming out of china are set for TD SCDMA in their county only and have eliminated WCDMA altogether in those phones. Shopping around is much more difficult because allot of these vendors say little about signal compatibility on the web sites selling these phones.
Guys, I want to buy new HTC Droid DNA, but the seller said, if I used for GSM network its only can running on EDGE only (still locked). any idea how to get full range on GSM Ntework (HSPA / 3G)?
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+1 to this. I have the DNA in hand but unactivated and have heard mixed things from carriers and online. T-Mobile won't really discuss the refarm of their 1700Mhz to 1900/2100. According to information online they have completed a lot of the refarm so that more GSM unlocked devices can run on their high speed data network. A common denominator from each case is that data constantly switches between low and high speeds. I'm thinking of checking out straight talk or net10 although I've heard negative things about them both and simple mobile. Still looking for a great review of this phone on one of these carriers.
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+1 to this. I have the DNA in hand but unactivated and have heard mixed things from carriers and online. T-Mobile won't really discuss the refarm of their 1700Mhz to 1900/2100. According to information online they have completed a lot of the refarm so that more GSM unlocked devices can run on their high speed data network. A common denominator from each case is that data constantly switches between low and high speeds. I'm thinking of checking out straight talk or net10 although I've heard negative things about them both and simple mobile. Still looking for a great review of this phone on one of these carriers.
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Do it, its fine. Mine has never seen a day of service on Verizon, I use T-Mobile and get H+ all over the place. The fluctuating does occur as they're still refarming towers but it doesn't cause much of a problem.
The refarm isn't for more devices its to move the bands down and use LTE on the 2100 or whatever band instead. It just happens to mean non T-Mobile or pentaband phones gain 3g/H+ ability on their network. Just means phones like the DNA without the higher band support gain faster speeds, or I guess I phones will to, whatever doesn't use the higher bands from at&t networks.
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Do it, its fine. Mine has never seen a day of service on Verizon, I use T-Mobile and get H+ all over the place. The fluctuating does occur as they're still refarming towers but it doesn't cause much of a problem.
The refarm isn't for more devices its to move the bands down and use LTE on the 2100 or whatever band instead. It just happens to mean non T-Mobile or pentaband phones gain 3g/H+ ability on their network. Just means phones like the DNA without the higher band support gain faster speeds, or I guess I phones will to, whatever doesn't use the higher bands from at&t networks.
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When I said "more devices" I meant the handsets that are only 1900/2100 capable and not 1700 capable. The former is supported by more devices hence "more devices"
It depends on your carrier. On most carriers, like AT&T, it works fine and dandy, on the other hand with carriers like t mobile, it's complicated
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It depends on your carrier. On most carriers, like AT&T, it works fine and dandy, on the other hand with carriers like t mobile, it's complicated
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complicated meaning what exactly...can you be more specific. Somebody chimed in and said HSPA+ is indeed working on their DNA on T-Mobile. The coverage obviously varies but do you have any information that would suggest it wouldn't work on T-Mobile?