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i was wondering how hard it would be to port this over, cuz no offense to KK but im not paying that $5 a month
and if there would be a dev willing to give it a go
Julianmgn said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=816639
i was wondering how hard it would be to port this over, cuz no offense to KK but im not paying that $5 a month
and if there would be a dev willing to give it a go
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Is it just because you don't like KK? I know there is some sentiment on the forums about KK and there is some type of a flame war. Maybe some dev will pick this up.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=816639
i was wondering how hard it would be to port this over, cuz no offense to KK but im not paying that $5 a month
and if there would be a dev willing to give it a go
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Haha, dude.. If you where a developer wouldn't you want done type of compensation for your efforts? If you want something that bad just party for it. We are lucky more of these guys do all of this for us without asking for anything in return. That said, 5$ for a rom is not that bad man.. Thats less than 1 meal at a fast food place.
Support android, support our phone and the developers who make it better and better daily. I don't know, just my take on the situation.
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WOW dude u are so cheap damn these dudes stay up all day and night to make these for us and u act like 5 dollars a month is really goin to break u. SMDH that just dont make no sense no appreciation.
Julianmgn said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=816639
i was wondering how hard it would be to port this over, cuz no offense to KK but im not paying that $5 a month
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Just asking but how much are you paying for cell service? How much did you pay for the phone that came not fully functional? Seems if you want to OC to 1.3 and have it fully functional $5 is a small price to pay considering the amount of work involved.
I'm with the OP on this one. I think it's retarded to pay a subscription to be a "premium member". I don't know why people felt they needed to attack the OP....to each their own I guess.
I dont think they attacked the op, but most of this community knows that developers put alot of hardwork and effort into kernels, roms, ect. They have to put up with complaints, and people whinning. They have to offer assistance for issues, and asnwer thousands of questions. 5 dlls is a small fee to pay
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I'm with the OP on this one. I think it's retarded to pay a subscription to be a "premium member". I don't know why people felt they needed to attack the OP....to each their own I guess.
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I'm sorry if you feel we are attacking the OP. Do a quick search and you will see he has posted this same topic several times in the last 24hrs. Maybe that's part of the reason. In my opinion, if he want's that extra bump it would seem like a small price to pay. Phone is plenty fast enough for most users at 1.2 and that's free thanks to the contributions from users and the kindness and dedication of the developers here. Just my 2 pennies.
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I'm with the OP on this one. I think it's retarded to pay a subscription to be a "premium member". I don't know why people felt they needed to attack the OP....to each their own I guess.
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Yeah, at least for me, I have no problem paying developers for their hard work, but over the course of a year, 5 dollars a month becomes 60 dollars which, yeah, is really more that this is worth, especially if we want to spend it on other things as well (other software, etc). Just saying. 5 dollars once is one thing, 5 dollars / month is another.
I don't really understand what the problem is here, ask king for his code. It's the beauty of the GPL. It would be nice to get that code, Eugene's 2.2 kernel source and that nice I9000 filesystem mod all together in a neat little kernel for 2.2 on the vibrant.
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the way things are going with htc, motorola, etc. locking the roms with acutal hardware - whats the point.
if we keep gabbing over 5 bucks what is going to keep devs willing to spend their time and brains, if people are going to cry about it once they release it.
pretty soon it won't be the developers or google we are yelling about it will be the handset manufactur and the provider.
What gets me is there are several people over at KKs board right now that have paid and have received no password for platinum access nor has anyone even tried to help. That isn't right.
If you head over to kks forum under the Vibrant development you'll see several people that have paid days ago with no password nor any help. Not cool.....
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My thoughts are scattered. At one point i'd say a 1.2 oc is not going to pale much in comparison to a 1.3. My other thoughts would be a one time fee is more reasonable but also harder to swallow. Would you rather pay fifteen dollars straight up or monthly cost. I can't see anyone paying fifteen straight up.
Other thoughts. It's disappointing how much well get for free and are not satisfied. However I think donating is a good way to show appreciation I do not believe these things should be done with the intention of making money but if they at putting this much time into it and not getting enough donations to make it worth it to where they have to feel the need to charge. That's just too bad. In the end if you don't like the cost of a product don't buy it...
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My thoughts are scattered. At one point i'd say a 1.2 oc is not going to pale much in comparison to a 1.3. My other thoughts would be a one time fee is more reasonable but also harder to swallow. Would you rather pay fifteen dollars straight up or monthly cost. I can't see anyone paying fifteen straight up.
Other thoughts. It's disappointing how much well get for free and are not satisfied. However I think donating is a good way to show appreciation I do not believe these things should be done with the intention of making money but if they at putting this much time into it and not getting enough donations to make it worth it to where they have to feel the need to charge. That's just too bad. In the end if you don't like the cost of a product don't buy it...
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Yeah but you also have people over at kks forum that aren't receiving what they paid for nor any support on the matter so why would anyone that's been to that thread and seen that pay knowing they won't receive any support.
Now I've been giving money to developers for a long time but I'm not giving anyone my money that can't show a little support now and then.
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Unoffcial manufactures and carrier dev's
Yes let's not tinker with our electronics let's all run stock software on all our devices from smart-phones pc's sat receivers ect. Let's all pay out the ass every year for new hardware/software like I really need my phone oc to 1.5ghz I like being locked to a market and have to buy apps that the dev's of apps get taken for 20% by the market (apple, Google, ms) ect. I love my phone locked to the carrier that charges 10 cents a sms for 160 character e-mail. Let's just assume that a 1ghz smart-phone needs to be a quad core 4.0 with 2 gig internal ram. So I can play 3d games on a 4" screen while I work in open office on my power point pres. and sms and make a call at same time while my nice 27" computer is 20 feet away. I love having 10 old cell phones lying around love figuring out what the hell is this charger is for. For god sakes man please let me give US $$$ to the Asian countries instead.............. (they actually own everything anyway)
PC's get smaller Phones gets bigger and tablets are just baffling me. Cant's we just get an implant in our brains for all of it?
Sorry recieving an OTA update to my head have to lay down 8 hours so I have to end this rant....... Sure hope the gas.lib gets fixed this time it's been hell farting out of my ears........
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Yes let's not tinker with our electronics let's all run stock software on all our devices from smart-phones pc's sat receivers ect. Let's all pay out the ass every year for new hardware/software like I really need my phone oc to 1.5ghz I like being locked to a market and have to buy apps that the dev's of apps get taken for 20% by the market (apple, Google, ms) ect. I love my phone locked to the carrier that charges 10 cents a sms for 160 character e-mail. Let's just assume that a 1ghz smart-phone needs to be a quad core 4.0 with 2 gig internal ram. So I can play 3d games on a 4" screen while I work in open office on my power point pres. and sms and make a call at same time while my nice 27" computer is 20 feet away. I love having 10 old cell phones lying around love figuring out what the hell is this charger is for. For god sakes man please let me give US $$$ to the Asian countries instead.............. (they actually own everything anyway)
PC's get smaller Phones gets bigger and tablets are just baffling me. Cant's we just get an implant in our brains for all of it?
Sorry recieving an OTA update to my head have to lay down 8 hours so I have to end this rant....... Sure hope the gas.lib gets fixed this time it's been hell farting out of my ears........
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Hey at least your getting your sleep OTA update. I'm still lost due to my bad GPS update and don't get me started about my frozen yogurt. I'm just trying to get a better taste in my mouth!
I don't see the point of OC-ing any more. We only have one dev doing kernels. Also because once we like 1.4 GHz stable, then those same ppl asking for that kernel is gonna be complaining about the battery being drained too quick. U can't please noobs...its impossible to keep noobs .just my .02 opinion
Check it here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17150848&postcount=685
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Check it here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17150848&postcount=685
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The soap opera continues.... I've seen a lot of stories with different takes on this. Officially, I believe they're saying they are just producing another run mainly to fulfill outstanding orders. Apparently (read: "refreshingly") they still care about their company image. In my short time with WebOS, I've come to become quite enamored with it. I hope it and the Touchpad live on. Heck, it just skyrocketed in marketshare!
Man the big deal that's being made about this by people who don't understand how manufacturing works is just mind boggling.
They had a TON of parts sitting around and a production line sitting idle. All they did was decide that they would build out quantities to use up the remaining parts that they had on hand. These parts were ordered probably two or more years in advance of need. Their possible decisions were, throw the parts in a landfill, try to resell them, or use them as originally intended. Choice three is the lowest effort and lowest risk with a guaranteed return, so, done. Simple.
HP is going to have to pay for all those touchpads anyway. They most likely have a contract with the parts and mfg companies for XXX amount of tablets. They could either stop production and pay the parts/mfg companies anyway due to contract obligations or they build and sell what was already in the que. Yes it will be at a loss but only 2/3 of that loss. They could lose 3/3. So, selling what they can is the best move for them and for us. The more TP's sold to geeks, the stronger the dev community and the higher chance a larger player will jump in and take over the hardware and OS.
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Man the big deal that's being made about this by people who don't understand how manufacturing works is just mind boggling.
They had a TON of parts sitting around and a production line sitting idle. All they did was decide that they would build out quantities to use up the remaining parts that they had on hand. These parts were ordered probably two or more years in advance of need. Their possible decisions were, throw the parts in a landfill, try to resell them, or use them as originally intended. Choice three is the lowest effort and lowest risk with a guaranteed return, so, done. Simple.
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^This.
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Rumor is that Samsung has already made a bid to buy webOS.
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Rumor is that Samsung has already made a bid to buy webOS.
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The problem is,WebOS is pretty much dead. Developers are not going to want to learn it. Think about it,if you have a choice of what to learn,you MIGHT have chosen WebOS before but now you just wont,you will learn to develop for Android or iOS. In fact,if you DO develop for WebOS ,I bet your seriously looking into iOS now,or android and I cant imagine your goign to go back and waste your time. Remember,these guys are doing this to pay their rent and put food on their table,not just to play around. Once HP abandoned it,it has that stigma associated with it and people are going to see it as a losing bet.
Hp threw a billion dollars away on Palm to get WebOS and there is no way they can get most of it back. What they SHOULD have done was drop the price of the tablet until it sold,and talk up their future plans while looking for someone to take it off their hands.
Essentially,its like they had a horse. It was having some health problems and they realized they just didnt want it any more. As such their options were,find someone else to take it off their hands or just shoot it and be done with it. What happened was they got it backwards. They shot the horse,now they are going around asking if anyone wants to take it off their hands.
the average cost of a Superbowl commercial is 3 million dollars for 30 seconds. So lost money from HP really dosent matter. To me, this was all a publicity stunt. And i'm happy, because i got a 150 dollar dual core tablet with 32GB of memory that is about to be ported to android..
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The problem is,WebOS is pretty much dead. Developers are not going to want to learn it. Think about it,if you have a choice of what to learn,you MIGHT have chosen WebOS before but now you just wont,you will learn to develop for Android or iOS. In fact,if you DO develop for WebOS ,I bet your seriously looking into iOS now,or android and I cant imagine your goign to go back and waste your time. Remember,these guys are doing this to pay their rent and put food on their table,not just to play around. Once HP abandoned it,it has that stigma associated with it and people are going to see it as a losing bet.
Hp threw a billion dollars away on Palm to get WebOS and there is no way they can get most of it back. What they SHOULD have done was drop the price of the tablet until it sold,and talk up their future plans while looking for someone to take it off their hands.
Essentially,its like they had a horse. It was having some health problems and they realized they just didnt want it any more. As such their options were,find someone else to take it off their hands or just shoot it and be done with it. What happened was they got it backwards. They shot the horse,now they are going around asking if anyone wants to take it off their hands.
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Very good analogy. The only way I could see Samsung biting on a WebOS deal is if they could somehow work it similarish to how Blackberry is trying to do it, and have Android apps run on top of WebOS. WebOS would be their hedge against a Google/Motorola partnership, although doing it this way wouldn't be that good of a hedge because there still wouldn't be any native WebOS apps if in fact Samsung had to break away from Google/Android.
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The problem is,WebOS is pretty much dead. Developers are not going to want to learn it. Think about it,if you have a choice of what to learn,you MIGHT have chosen WebOS before but now you just wont,you will learn to develop for Android or iOS. In fact,if you DO develop for WebOS ,I bet your seriously looking into iOS now,or android and I cant imagine your goign to go back and waste your time. Remember,these guys are doing this to pay their rent and put food on their table,not just to play around. Once HP abandoned it,it has that stigma associated with it and people are going to see it as a losing bet.
Hp threw a billion dollars away on Palm to get WebOS and there is no way they can get most of it back. What they SHOULD have done was drop the price of the tablet until it sold,and talk up their future plans while looking for someone to take it off their hands.
Essentially,its like they had a horse. It was having some health problems and they realized they just didnt want it any more. As such their options were,find someone else to take it off their hands or just shoot it and be done with it. What happened was they got it backwards. They shot the horse,now they are going around asking if anyone wants to take it off their hands.
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Source - http://allthingsd.com/20110829/samsung-eyeing-webos/
webOS will still be supported (According to HP) and patched and also the Palm Pre3 is coming with it on it. With Google making the Motorola deal it makes total sense for Samsung to acquire webOS. And you are right, HP spent $1.2 billion on Palm, you think they are just going to lay everyone off and dissolve the company? Sell it, make some cash. I listen to Wall Street which is usually right about these things because there's money involved. I am with everyone else, I got a TouchPad which works fine for $149. I could care less if anyone ever develops anything for it, it does pretty much everything right now, pretty well. If Android ports to it I will go there but for $149 it was less than my phone.
This entire TouchPad story is the biggest publicity that HP has had in 20 years. With HP in a tailspin, who knows what will happen. On WSJ.com read the article "HP's One Year Plan". That pretty much explains it. If I hear of TouchPads popping up I will report them here. I hope all XDA folks can get one, it's a great deal.
Publicity stunt? Yea, "look at us,we just flushed a billion,dollars of our shareholders money down the toilet,and followed it up by flushing another hundred million away instead of trying to sell off the remaining inventory in a controlled way,or use it as an incentive to drive other sales (buy an hp pc,get a 500 tablet free). On top of that,we want to sell of our pc division,so rather than just doing it,we decided to talk about it for 6 months first so there is plenty of time to be sure everyone can talk up what a loser it is and drive the market price down." I know they say "any publicity is good publicity,but thats really stretching it. It sounds more like "our company is falling apart so we desperatly want someone to take the worst parts off out hands and hope that we can generate enough cash to finance our desperate plan to cling to life"
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From the WSJ SMART MONEY Blog
PAY DIRT // AUGUST 31, 2011, 2:35 PM
At 75% Off, the H-P TouchPad is No Bargain
By Kelli B. Grant
A 75%-off sale is usually both a lure and warning: get cheap now what nobody wanted to pick up at full price.
Shoppers enticed by the fire sales on the $99 H-P TouchPad would do well to keep that in mind, some experts say. H-P recently discontinued the once $399-plus tablet, marking down the remaining inventory to as low as $99. Now the company says it plans to make one last small production run, to be sold this fall for an as-yet-unannounced price.
As today’s Wall Street Journal points out, the decision is odd from a business perspective: It costs H-P $306 to make one 16GB tablet, so selling it for $99 results in a $207 loss. (Analysts say H-P is likely just using the last of its pre-purchased parts.) But the real head-scratcher is why consumers are so eager to now buy a tablet that was roundly reviewed as disappointing for its heft, so-so operating system and lack of apps, says Andrew Eisner, director of content for Retrevo.com. “Unless you have $99 burning a hole in your pocket, you might want to wait,” he says.
After all, the tablet market is nothing if not competitive. The iPad 3 could be coming our way as soon as October, and Amazon is months away from releasing two tablets expected to cost less than $300, Eisner says. Tablet-makers are also likely to offer more incentives during the busy holiday shopping season, says Louis Ramirez, a senior feature writer for sale site DealNews.com. Two days after H-P discontinued the TouchPad, for example, sales popped up on Samsung’s Galaxy tablet, dropping the price from $340 to as low as $280. Deals will be at their best during the week of Black Friday, he predicts.
Material costs make it unlikely that other tablet manufacturers can go much below the $199 price point right now, says Chris Connery, vice president of PC and IT displays for market researcher DisplaySearch. Yes, that’s twice the price of the TouchPad, but those tablets also come with operating systems that have support and updates going forward; the TouchPad has that for now, but H-P has discussed spinning off or selling WebOS, which makes the future of that support uncertain, he says. That also means there’s no incentive for developers to come up with apps that work on the tablet.
Still, the $99 H-P TouchPad provides the best opportunity for consumers who don’t want much more than a cheap way to surf the Internet from their couch, Eisner says. “It might make a nice collector’s item,” he says.
Clarification: A previous version of this story was unclear about H-P’s commitment to support the TouchPad and WebOS.
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Publicity stunt? Yea, "look at us,we just flushed a billion,dollars of our shareholders money down the toilet,and followed it up by flushing another hundred million away instead of trying to sell off the remaining inventory in a controlled way,or use it as an incentive to drive other sales (buy an hp pc,get a 500 tablet free). On top of that,we want to sell of our pc division,so rather than just doing it,we decided to talk about it for 6 months first so there is plenty of time to be sure everyone can talk up what a loser it is and drive the market price down." I know they say "any publicity is good publicity,but thats really stretching it. It sounds more like "our company is falling apart so we desperatly want someone to take the worst parts off out hands and hope that we can generate enough cash to finance our desperate plan to cling to life"
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Check this - http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904787404576535211589514334.html?mg=reno-wsj
thuddome said:
Check this - http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904787404576535211589514334.html?mg=reno-wsj
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That was a very entertaining read.
I think you will see lots of devs building apps for webos. There is a large vacuum to fill here, android and ios are already saturated with apps.
My thoughts, there are a few advantages to HP:
1. They have an parts or a contract for X number of units. Seeing the demand it is more cost effective to build these units even if they are taking a loss. Canceling the contract may have cost the the same amount or more.
2. With the number of unites now on the market there will be more incentive for developers to deliver more WebOS apps. The expanded ecosystem also give WebOS more value for potential licensees or buyers.
This makes sense - http://blogs.wsj.com/cfo/2011/09/01/h-ps-touchpad-relaunch-may-limit-write-downs/
And the hits keep coming... - http://professional.wsj.com/article...27390510.html?mod=WSJPRO_hps_MIDDLESecondNews
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And the hits keep coming... - http://professional.wsj.com/article...27390510.html?mod=WSJPRO_hps_MIDDLESecondNews
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Well, she got the job. Time will tell if Ms. Whitman is what they needed or whether she is the same "Nut-Meg" that blew $100 million dollars on her failed gubernatorial attempt.
Seeing as how her business savvy did make her a billionaire at eBay, I want to see if her consumer-focused attitudes will also help us out with WebOS. If she is smart, she will have realized the TP firesale phenomenon is a sign that they could even restart production and sell quite a few more, just not at the original MSRP. Obviously, they can't afford to sell them at $99 again, but they COULD sell them at $249 or so and make up the difference with a heavily expanded software catalog. Hell, add a truly functional USB host and SD Card expandability and I would pay $300 for the thing today.
Amazon is willing to sell their tablet at a loss, hoping for potential revenue from online books and movies.
A team up with Amazon to sell them, sell movies, music, apps, etc., would be a match made in heaven in my opinion.
I've used IOS, Android and WebOS on a tablet.
I'll take how WebOS works every time.
However, the browser is terrible and the apps (or lack thereof) suck...
Put Amazon behind them, devs will jump on board for the product and apps...
Kind of makes me feel better missing the great deal, though at $100, the current function still makes the device a bargain.
Based on the time that has passed, seems a easy to install for the masses and 100% functional Android firmware gets more remote, as time passes.
I would still buy one in a second for $100
So you don't have a touchpad right?
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Kind of makes me feel better missing the great deal, though at $100, the current function still makes the device a bargain.
Based on the time that has passed, seems a easy to install for the masses and 100% functional Android firmware gets more remote, as time passes.
I would still buy one in a second for $100
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1. You are an idiot
2. Search for cm7 progress for th touchpad.
rushless said:
Kind of makes me feel better missing the great deal, though at $100, the current function still makes the device a bargain.
Based on the time that has passed, seems a easy to install for the masses and 100% functional Android firmware gets more remote, as time passes.
I would still buy one in a second for $100
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Yawn........
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1. You are an idiot
2. Search for cm7 progress for th touchpad.
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I didnt have the energy to reply to his question, lol, well done mate for your strength
It makes me sick how misinformed people are about the Android port, just because it isnt in their pocket 24 hours after they bought the product...
Its coming, and so is ICS for us, if you bought this tablet for even 300 pounds you got a bargin because it will have the most advanced mobile operating system on it very soon so well done
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I didnt have the energy to reply to his question, lol, well done mate for your strength
It makes me sick how misinformed people are about the Android port, just because it isnt in their pocket 24 hours after they bought the product...
Its coming, and so is ICS for us, if you bought this tablet for even 300 pounds you got a bargin because it will have the most advanced mobile operating system on it very soon so well done
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It makes me feel so better missing the great deal... hahaha, from that line all you know thats coming is garbage. lollol
If you bought the TP, well done... This guy obviously got left behind and is showing his grief by trying to make us adopters look like we have made a mistake...
If you think a 1.2ghz dual core adreno chipset with an ips screen and wolfsen audio chip being sold for 100 dollars is not a missed opportunity, then i dont know what is!
Pat yourselves on the back TP buyers, you rock and know a future bargin when you see one
Rant Over There are just too many threads like this, and all they really do is just totally suck!
JD
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All you TPers are retarded for buying 330 in hardware for 100 dollars because an OS that needs to be assembled from nearly scratch isn't out yet!!
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Treello said:
All you TPers are retarded for buying 330 in hardware for 100 dollars because an OS that needs to be assembled from nearly scratch isn't out yet!!
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no1 cares about your opinion.
If you dont likeit , never visit the TP section.
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no1 cares about your opinion.
If you dont likeit , never visit the TP section.
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lol i was confused by this too, for he put /sarcasm AFTER his comment he was joking im sure
just to ratify WHY someone should have bought one:
http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/HP-TouchPad-Carries-$318-Bill-of-Materials.aspx
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lol i was confused by this too, for he put /sarcasm AFTER his comment he was joking im sure
just to ratify WHY someone should have bought one:
http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/HP-TouchPad-Carries-$318-Bill-of-Materials.aspx
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for 500 dollars it was a ,joke. Its slow, the browser is buggy,freezes randomly for up to a few minutes and the cases develop cracks. If I had paid 500 bucks for mine,I would be very upset.
I paid 168 for mine though. For that price,I got a 32gb tablet with technical specifications similar to 500 dollar tablets. It all of the problems except the poor quality plastics are solvable when we get android. Since I'm the sort of person that likes Lessig around with my computers and phones (and now tablets) a tablet with an open is is something I like. Mine seems only to have developed a single crack. In hp s defense I'm told they will fix it,but if I send it in,I'll get a refurb that could be worse than what I have so I fixed it myself by prying the crack apart and applying a uL of a solution of 20% ethyl acetate and 80% tetrahydrofuran (home made plastic glue) and then I drilled a relief hole at the end of the crack with a very very small drill bit. if I had paid 500 I would be very angry at this. For 168 bucks,I can live with it.
Looking at the progress of cm7,its impressive. ICS will be amazing.
still worth the money, and Android's obviously right around the corner
the primary reason i bought mine ($200CAD w/ targus case) was because the hardware for that price is OUTSTANDING! its the same specs as the HTC sensation/evo3d, and i always knew android would be possible because of this. my biggest concerns for android efficency were the partition table and the fact that everything is done in userspace.
...but then again, i knew it was a challenge that CMteam couldnt resist ;P
why is this retards thread still active?
Because we as a community support the mentally challenged and support the diversity in our forums. Mainly because we are bored and hasn't been any real or good information on this forum in 2 months. Just people asking for the alpha of the cm build( that in itself is retarded)
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1. I basically posted would like one and was joking the "I was glad", since clearly posted- I would like one (aready have a Flyer and Thrive, but $100 is too good to pass up).
2. CM7 is not fully functional, in regards to all hardware on the device is working and stable.
3. Calling people idiots and morons is rude and usually comes from people in forums sitting in a dark room, eating Oreos and chugging Cokes. That said, I spent years in the Marines protecting freedom of speech, so have at it.
You twisted what I posted to your own defensive and "brilliant in our own mind" way.
Last time I checked, I have NEVER posted rude things about people in any thread. You people that were condescending can sincerely and respectfully bite it real good.
BTW, last time I checked, I have an under grad in computer electronics and an MBA with focus on economics. See, even "mentally challenged" former Marines can do well and rightfully so.
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1. I basically posted I would like one and was joking the "I was glad", since clearly posted I would like one and at $100 (aready have a Flyer and Thrive, but $100 is too good to pass up).
2. CM7 is not fully functional, in regards to all hardware on the device is working and stable.
3. Calling people idiots and morons is rude and usually comes from people in forums sitting in a dark room, eating Oreos and chugging Cokes. Then again I spent years in the Marines protecting freedom of speech, so have at it.
You twisted what I posted to your own defensive and "brilliant in our own mind" way.
Last time I checked, I have NEVER posted rude things about people in any thread. You people that were condescending can sincerely and respectfully bite it real good.
BTW, last time I checked, I have an under grad in computer electronics and an MBA with focus on economics. See, even "mentally challenged" former Marines can do well and rightfully so.
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your first post did come off as sour grapes, but this one made up for it lol. damn basement dwelling oreo eaters
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your first post did come off as sour grapes, but this one made up for it lol. damn basement dwelling oreo eaters
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Not sour, but surprised the Touch is more difficult to bake a 100% functional and stable rom than expected. Probably 80% of the people that bought this hoping they can get Android on it will have no clue how, unless installs as easy as an OTA (including root process), which probably is not likely.
As long as people appreciate it is still a bargain without a dead easy Android solution, they still will be happy. I do believe mentioning this in the OP as well. My Flyer and Thrive are great devices, so nothing but good wine here.
Just would like a low cost Christmas present, but another $100 or so will cover that if not.
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If I had posted this in the dev section, I could then kind of possibly seen a just ribbing, but the rudeness is childish. I would say "mentally challenged", but that would insult and demean people that are.
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1. I basically posted would like one and was joking the "I was glad", since clearly posted- I would like one (aready have a Flyer and Thrive, but $100 is too good to pass up).
2. CM7 is not fully functional, in regards to all hardware on the device is working and stable.
3. Calling people idiots and morons is rude and usually comes from people in forums sitting in a dark room, eating Oreos and chugging Cokes. That said, I spent years in the Marines protecting freedom of speech, so have at it.
You twisted what I posted to your own defensive and "brilliant in our own mind" way.
Last time I checked, I have NEVER posted rude things about people in any thread. You people that were condescending can sincerely and respectfully bite it real good.
BTW, last time I checked, I have an under grad in computer electronics and an MBA with focus on economics. See, even "mentally challenged" former Marines can do well and rightfully so.
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Thank you for your service. Semper Fi.
rushless said:
1. I basically posted would like one and was joking the "I was glad", since clearly posted- I would like one (aready have a Flyer and Thrive, but $100 is too good to pass up).
2. CM7 is not fully functional, in regards to all hardware on the device is working and stable.
3. Calling people idiots and morons is rude and usually comes from people in forums sitting in a dark room, eating Oreos and chugging Cokes. That said, I spent years in the Marines protecting freedom of speech, so have at it.
You twisted what I posted to your own defensive and "brilliant in our own mind" way.
Last time I checked, I have NEVER posted rude things about people in any thread. You people that were condescending can sincerely and respectfully bite it real good.
BTW, last time I checked, I have an under grad in computer electronics and an MBA with focus on economics. See, even "mentally challenged" former Marines can do well and rightfully so.
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obviously if you are even half as smart as you are portraying yourself to be, you would know this isn't a simple as making a ROM. They are importing an entirely new OS. If its so easy and should have already been done, then why couldn't your smart ass do it?
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obviously if you are even half as smart as you are portraying yourself to be, you would know this isn't a simple as making a ROM. They are importing an entirely new OS. If its so easy and should have already been done, then why couldn't your smart ass do it?
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Never said I was smart, but that even apparently "mentally challenged" can get ahead with their education.
The folks that work on CM7 are precisely why I am surprised. Point being, if they can not do it, it is NOT as easy as a lot of people assumed when they got the Touch.
Even if there is not a 100% stable and functioning Android OS, the device has more than enough function to cover the $100. Then again, the Touch would probably be selling pretty well to begin with if HP did not get so warm and fuzzy with Web OS. Seems having Android rather than Web OS to begin with would meant no $100 tablet liquidation sale to begin with.
Their strategic blunder got a LOT of people a great deal on a tablet.
Hate to spoil this love-fest w/data, but what the heck:
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?5682-Build-Progress-Updated-10-9
I'm out.
rushless, you should check out the build progress thread on rootzwiki
if you really graduated with a degree in computer electronics you should know that writing an OS for a hardware that is made for another OS is a very difficult task because everything has to be written or acquired (by the graces of the manufacturer of either the device or part) from the ground up. This also includes writing the driver and also creating a kernel that is able to understand the communications between the device (hardware) and android.
whether or not they are 100% functional, it is to be noted that they have done ALOT and at an amazing speed.
Just because you haven't heard any news doesn't mean the chances of android diminishing. Fortunately for the rest of the world, you being up to date with the latest info does not affect the chances of progress happening. That's about it.
p.s. thank you for your service for our country.
This is a discussion about the Gs3's future sales after the announcement of the most popular phone on the market, there have already been numerous 'comparison' threads closed, lets not turn this into one of those.
After today's underwhelming announcement of the iPhone5, the people sitting on the fence about whether to switch to the Galaxy S3 or Note2 (or something else) have to make a decision.
I've been reading comments on Android fan sites, Apple fan sites, and 'Neutral' tech sites, and the general feeling I got from all of them is that the iPhone5 just hasn't done enough to persuade a lot of people to stick with them.
Now, obviously, this thing will sell like hotcakes for the people that don't know any different to make an educated decision / that actually like the iPhone anyway / have bought too heavily into the apple ecosystem to switch now.
But those that are in the know, like everyone who watched the olympics... the S3 was plastered all over the place ... and the people that were keeping up with the patent trials (anyone who reads the news) will now know that there are better offerings out there and most likely opt for a Gs3.
So, do you think we will see a significant boost from the already 20m phones already sold?
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Samsung has done a wonderful job with the SGS3 and I'm sure the sales will keep up for some time, but it's not easy to convert Apple fanboys to Samsung. I don't think the sales are going to rise much further. The iPhone caught up pretty good (at least in the eyes of casual users).
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Samsung has done a wonderful job with the SGS3 and I'm sure the sales will keep up for some time, but it's not easy to convert Apple fanboys to Samsung. I don't think the sales are going to rise much further. The iPhone caught up pretty good (at least in the eyes of casual users).
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Even those that have been sitting on the fence the last couple of months to see what Apple has to offer?
Also, a personal insight, my mom and sister got a gs3 shortly after release, and genuinely with no persuading from me. They aren't tech heads, but they knew a class phone when they seen it.
The guys waiting for today to make their decision i think will go galaxy.
i think so, seen people taking 99$ deal on amazon right now
it will not be huge spike but there is going to be one.
for me the new iphone disappoint
no new tech or old favorites like fm radio, xenon flash, still LCD and only 4'
i mean 4.5 would have been fine
I wouldn't under estimate the loyalty a large percentage of smartphone users have towards Apple. Most of us probably had an iPhone at one time and moved to Andriod because we expanded our knowedge to include other smartphones and made an informed decision. There are a lot of people that don't realize there are options and will still buy the iPhone 5. Not sure if they will sell 20M after what I saw today but I have learned to never under estimate people with loyalties...
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I wouldn't under estimate the loyalty a large percentage of smartphone users have towards Apple. Most of us probably had an iPhone at one time and moved to Andriod because we expanded our knowedge to include other smartphones and made an informed decision. There are a lot of people that don't realize there are options and will still buy the iPhone 5. Not sure if they will sell 20M after what I saw today but I have learned to never under estimate people with loyalties...
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My boss wanted to buy the iphone 5. He is very loyalty to Apple. But he started liking my S3. He already have doubts about buying iphone or not.
My mission: convert him into an android guy and wake him up to the reality
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I wouldn't under estimate the loyalty a large percentage of smartphone users have towards Apple. Most of us probably had an iPhone at one time and moved to Andriod because we expanded our knowedge to include other smartphones and made an informed decision. There are a lot of people that don't realize there are options and will still buy the iPhone 5. Not sure if they will sell 20M after what I saw today but I have learned to never under estimate people with loyalties...
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Of course, they'll sell shed loads. But the huge advertising campaign with the Olympics, the recent trial and those already on the fence should have the gs3 planted in their heads! I think Samsung will steal a good few of them.
Htc might get a wee jeg too if they get in the news regarding the lte patents (if that even happens)
Exciting times for sure.
I've cleaned up the mess fellas. Please remember to be polite and let's not get too far into the "you know what" discussion. :highfive:
A guy named John Pirsig (sp?) wrote a book titled, 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance' a couple of decades back. In it he proposes there are 'Romantic' and 'Classical' people. He and a friend rode across the US (in the book & maybe in real life) on bikes. He had a Harley and the friend a BMW. (patience, it's coming... ) When they rode up the Rockies, the bikes started playing up and while he stopped and worked on his bike, and finally realised it was the reduction in atmospheric pressure needing just a tweak to fix, his mate went and paid a small fortune in a town garage to get his BMW fixed.
Pirsig talked for a bit about those who want an end-result experience and those who wanted to enjoy the journey. Some people forever focus on the end result and miss all the learning and fun along the way, 'big picture' people for whom the nuts and bolts are a horror to be avoided at all costs - literally in the case of his BMW mate.
At the time, as a Helpdesk person, I realised most Mac users are Romantics, people for whom computers are very much NOT fun and who use them solely to get a result and because they have to. Windows users were often some of the same sort, using Windows simply because their work said they had to, but far more of them would, if the subject was explained in terms they understood, become interested in the process and learn to fix their own printer/Word/Excel issues etc.
Apple have polarised the world again with their same-old, same-old tactics. The recent court case against Samsung proves Apple have not lost their litigious attitude towards protecting things they stole in the first place. (WIMP from Rank Xerox) And again we are shown the division between the Romantics and the Classicals - these forums are full of Classicals - look around and you will see lots of people who post about how wonderful this or that version of a ROM is, only to upgrade instantly a new version or even a different ROM comes along.
For most XDA'ers, I think the journey IS the end result - we tend to be travelling along with no particular goal in mind apart from a nebulous 'perfect phone' concept, and if all the developers stopped producing new ROMs to try we'd be heartbroken.
The Apple is good enough for most Apple users, be it Mac, iPad or iPhone. We will never convince them otherwise because they have sipped at the Kool-Aid fountain and like most religious people, they cannot even SEE the contrary information. It doesn't matter if the new iPhone has an A5, A6, A15 or quad or dual, it will be better in their eyes because it powers an Apple. They don't MIND buying expensive corsds ands connectors of all kinds because it is for Apple.
And they definitely don't see an ongoing development process as being a thing of benefit - Apple has spent far too many dollars convincing their world that you don't ever upgrade your device software, you just buy a new device. It is the proud boast of many Apple users that their product is far more stable than Windows, but my old enemy Microsoft constantly produced product that would work (most of the time) on any PC made across a spread of about 10 years, while Apple only ever made software for a very specific hardware platform - if you like, MS made an OS while Apple made glorified Firmware.
The same scenario is happening right now with Android. Android is being made to support all kinds of devices, with a legion of eager supporters providing updates and fixes. (on more of a Linux model than a MS one) Apple will not produce an iOS6 for their old phones, just for the brand new one you have to pay a small fortune for. Samsung (and other Android vendors) are producing updates so you get more life from your phone, providing a level of support to their clients Apple has never tried to match.
And eventually, the numbers will tell - just as in the PC/Mac wars, Apple had to compromise in both hardware and software, (Intel chips and running Windows on Macs) they will find eventually their tactics fail them. In my opinion, Android is the up-and-coming world of phones and pads, and Apple is the dinosaur relying desperately on massive programming... sorry, I mean advertising to keep their victims... I mean customers, loyal.
I think there will be a swing away from Apple as the actuality of the new phone falls far short of expectations and even the glitz Apple will give things will not hide the fact that all they have done is copy what is already being sold for hundreds less. But don't go expecting those weaned on the Kool-Aid to be coming over any time soon - the religious always resist the encroaching reality checks of the real world.
And on a personal note? I LIKE Apple for their litigiousness and mean spirit. If they had been sensible back in the late 80's/early 90's, we'd all be using Macs and locked down so tight I wouldn't have had a 25 year computer career helping others. For more than 2 decades I've had a job description of, 'I'm a bloke, and I fix stuff' that would never have been possible if Apple had treated their customers as anything other than sheeple to be fleeced to the maximum. Their greed allowed PC's to develop and become what we see, and now Apple's greed and contempt will allow Android the space to grow and become the new ubiquitous OS for mobile devices.
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A guy named......
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I didn't quote it all for obvious reasons, but god damn it, that is the best comment I have seen on xda in months.
If I could thank you twice I would.
Hats off to you sir, you have made my day. :thumbup:
I'm also gonna link this in my signature.
"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
^^ possibly the most eloquent post I have ever read. Bravo Sir.
Edit, nodstuff was too quick and got in the way..
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^^ possibly the most eloquent post I have ever read. Bravo Sir.
Edit, nodstuff was too quick and got in the way..
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Why thank you very much! I apprecia.....
Oh. You weren't talking about my post...
"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
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"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
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*grins* In 1987 I bought an XT clone (1MB Ram, twin 5.25" FDD's - envy of the few I knew with PC's because I could put my programs floppy AND my data one in at the same time ) to write books. I was sick of having to re-type a page or more just to change a sentence. 3 months later the PC got me a new job supporting WPO's at 3 grand per year more than I was getting. and I still haven't written my SciFi books. Working on it now and of course, along comes bloody Samsung S3 with Android and I'm fighting against techo distractions again... le sigh...
Forums like XDA will help greatly with selling Android; some older members need to recall that they once didn't know stuff but mostly folk are very helpful and there is a LOT of info to be had here. Mind you, it suffers a bit from popularity - search for something you want to know and you get like 5000 threads to look through. Needs an Advanced Search function, or maybe I just haven't found it yet. And why can't I search on the entire Samsung S3 forum? le sigh...
I think the reaction from a number of sites about how the court case showed Apple users how they could get everything Apple offered for far less if they stepped away from the Kool-Aid spigot shows an interesting facet to the competition. I haven't seen such comment before, even for Mac/Pentium battles. Usually it was about the differences, not the fact you could get the same thing. It could make a difference, particularly if the members here make a point of posting such a view on any/all forums they are members on.
5th column... the ONLY Army to join...
It is surely a good day for people that knows stuff from the gadget world but for common people they are still awed no matter what. The power of Apple's marketing can even turn a pile of scrap metal into gold.
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I didn't quote it all for obvious reasons, but god damn it, that is the best comment I have seen on xda in months.
If I could thank you twice I would.
Hats off to you sir, you have made my day. :thumbup:
I'm also gonna link this in my signature.
"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
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I'm gonna quote that to my signature too.-
bbc news, sky news.... ripping into the iPhone. They say it boring, more of the same... and they mention the s3 a few times in each article.
This is big.
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bbc news, sky news.... ripping into the iPhone. They say it boring, more of the same... and they mention the s3 a few times in each article.
This is big.
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Source?
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A guy named John Pirsig (sp?) wrote a book ...
Excellent, tanks
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Source?
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just Search : iPhone 5: Consumer Anger Over £25 Adaptor
I'd link but not allowed :fingers-crossed:
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http://news.sky.com/story/984469/new-iphone-is-more-of-the-same-from-apple
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19557497
Guys this is my two cents worth. Purchase your note 7 supplies like cases etc... at a discount price. Wait a few weeks and get the new fixed Note 7 most likely at a discounted price. If the note 7 never comes back then returned the goodies no problem.
I can't wait for my discounted Note 7 fully fixed
Good luck
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Wut?
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Makes absolutely no sense.
Of course it does you think people are gojg to purchase note 7 full price after a massive recal for a major safety issue like going up in flames. No way some incentives are needed to get people back. You will see.
Makes no sense, this also goes to show whats wrong with this generation of entitlement. Samsung does not owe us any type of compensation for what has happened with the Note 7. Stuff happens. If they just so happen to feel generous then so be it but other than that be happy with your phone or go else ware.
hey, think, think, you really believe samsung is going to sell note 7 a the price of a second rate device? come on, be serious
We will see ......I like Samsung and I wiill get one no matter what, I have s Note 3 now but lets face Note 7 for the mass consumer its pretty much dead. It blows up dude that is not jst an antenna problem. It will take a pretty heavy dutty propaganda campaign to turn the tide on this one. Samsung will offer incentives how much its any ones guess but right now you can get cases etc for it at a pretty low price. Check Amazon.
https://goo.gl/XC7koY
The Note 7 recall could change how the public sees Samsung smartphones, and that is arguably the biggest challenge that the company is facing right now.
Read this ar another forum exactly my point.
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Makes no sense, this also goes to show whats wrong with this generation of entitlement. Samsung does not owe us any type of compensation for what has happened with the Note 7. Stuff happens. If they just so happen to feel generous then so be it but other than that be happy with your phone or go else ware.
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I disagree.
They have put consumers in danger and for some caused injuries and damage. I would say that goes beyond "stuff happens".
For others whose devices have not exploded (like mine) it has certainly cause differing levels of stress and nervousness having the device not knowing if or when it will pop. Im a pretty chill guy but Id be lying if I said it didnt worry me at this point when i charge device. And this whole ordeal has changed how I use my device day to day which is not acceptable.
Then there is samsung asking for everyone to power down the devices and use what exactly in place of it? Not everyone is fortunate to have multiple devices lying around.
Then there is the train wreck of a recall...ive signed up for it and called numerous times and none of the CSRs knows anything and all give different answers which then causes more stress and uneasiness as you have no clue whats going on and clearly neither do they.
Oh and they expect us to drive and drop the defective devices off at drop points. Easy enough for some not for others...me personally im not lifting a finger to drop my old one off anywhere...i have better things to do. You want it...come and pick it up...you screwed it up in the first place.
Then theres the issue of going on an airplane with it...not even going to go there.
Oh yeah.. what about those of us who spent $50+ for ghost armour or similiar things front and back? Of course i have to pay for it AGAIN when i get my new device...whenever the hell that may be. Thats also not acceptable, samsung should be paying for it.
So yeah....your damn straight they owe us, the people who pre ordered and do so every single year and buy multiple samsung devices each year for many years all outright. And in the Note 7s case If I pay $1200 for a device i damn sure do not expect it to blow up in my face...literally
I am the least self entitled person and anyone here who knows me knows thats true but im this case yes I am expecting compensation from samsung for this major screw up.
Stuff happens this is true, but if it was that minor would the US and CAN governments be involved? Highly unlikely.
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https://goo.gl/XC7koY
The Note 7 recall could change how the public sees Samsung smartphones, and that is arguably the biggest challenge that the company is facing right now.
Read this ar another forum exactly my point.
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This will absolutely change the publics opinion and trust in samsung....to a massive degree.
Its not the recall thats going to cost them its the loss of trust from the public which equals lost current sales and future sales and in the long run market share. Their market share has already droppef and it will get worse before it gets better.
They will need to bend over backwards with incentives and freebees to get people back to where we were in buying samung products.
This goes well beyond mobile as well...dont think for a second this wont hurt their other areas of interest..TVs,appliances etc
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For informational purpose only how come you paid 1200 dollars for your phone? In US is onky around 650 and hiw come you can't return it and get your money back? Here you can get your money back or get another phone.
I still think once they fix it it wil be cheaper to get one or there will be great incentives.
Time will tell i am waiting a month or two to upgrade to one once the problems are fix.
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For informational purpose only how come you paid 1200 dollars for your phone? In US is onky around 650 and hiw come you can't return it and get your money back? Here you can get your money back or get another phone.
I still think once they fix it it wil be cheaper to get one or there will be great incentives.
Time will tell i am waiting a month or two to upgrade to one once the problems are fix.
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Im in canada...and bought it outright..no upgrade.they cost $1050 plus taxes which puts the total cost around $1200
Then i traded my crap locked snapdragon model for a exynos unit (new). I am getting another one...just hasnt shown up yet.
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Where do you gwt the enyos one and how do I know if it will work with my carrier
If the battery was removable this problem will go a way in a second.
Thanks
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Where do you gwt the enyos one and how do I know if it will work with my carrier
If the battery was removable this problem will go a way in a second.
Thanks
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Some guys got them on Ebay i bought mine at a store local to me here in Toronto.
Swiftronics
What carrier are you?
sent from my Note 7 or S6
They gave my a free galaxy J5 which I sold for $250 nzd. I feel plenty compensated.
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Sprint or t mobil
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Of course it does you think people are gojg to purchase note 7 full price after a massive recal for a major safety issue like going up in flames. No way some incentives are needed to get people back. You will see.
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Then Samsung will have to drop the price or do a bundle to get back buyers.
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Then Samsung will have to drop the price or do a bundle to get back buyers.
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They will need to both and then some
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I believe the Note 7 its pretty much a done deal. Only people like us that really want the phone will purchase one. Main stream I believe the note 7 missed the station long time ago. On the other hand even died hards like us dont like to give our money away. I have been searching and I will consider something like the moto z force if the price of the Note 7 remains the same. Remember its on a no fly list and will take a while to be removed if ever. Note 7 its a tainted phone untill the day it dies. Its sad but in reality , the bad perception out there will not change.