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Hey everyone, this is thread is meant to centralize all of the information and questions about the kernels for this phone. I feel as though information about peoples issues, and their "triumphs" with certain kernels are scattered everywhere, so finding useful information can be tedious. I have noticed that most, if not all of the ROM threads specifically say, "No kernel questions". This is what this thread is going to be for. I also thought it would be neat to have some general discussion about kernels. for example, what kernels work best with what ROM, what are some of the issues that people run into, what works, what doesn't work, etc...
I know there is only a few kernel options now, but hopefully that list will grow and as it grows this thread will be become more useful.
there are only a few rules for this thread:
1. No flaming-one of goals for this thread is to help noobs, this thread is meant to de-clutter the ROM threads of kernel questions, (seemingly stupid or intelligent).
2. This thread is for talk of kernels only, there is a "off topic" discussion thread for everything else; and ROM threads to specifically talk about ROMS
So far i only know of three kernel types:
Faux's kernel
Stock kernels
X boarder's kernels, (different variants to go with different ROMS).
From what i understand Faux's kernels work with pretty much all of the ROM's but seem to cause boot loops.
I do not know too much about X's kernels and the issues they cause, so it would be nice if some one filled me in.
Ill start the thread by saying, I have used the stock kernel that shipped with my phone over the quick sense ROM, and the Bullet proof 2.4 ROM. the weird thing with that was, my WIFI worked. its weird because X, and everyone else says to flash one of X's or Faux's kernels or else wifi will not work. I have been apprehensive about flashing kernels because of the boot loop issues people have reportedly been having. however i went ahead and flashed the kernel that was included in the Bullet proof 2.4 ROM. i haven't used the phone all that much so no bootloop yet. the phone is fast and smooth. X's kernels are able to be overclocked and have three governors. i am very curious about Faux's kernel because he did some amazing things on the Mytouch 4g when i had it.
Jms122589 said:
Hey everyone, this is thread is meant to centralize all of the information and questions about the kernels for this phone. I feel as though information about peoples issues, and their "triumphs" with certain kernels are scattered everywhere, so finding useful information can be tedious. I have noticed that most, if not all of the ROM threads specifically say, "No kernel questions". This is what this thread is going to be for. I also thought it would be neat to have some general discussion about kernels. for example, what kernels work best with what ROM, what are some of the issues that people run into, what works, what doesn't work, etc...
I know there is only a few kernel options now, but hopefully that list will grow and as it grows this thread will be become more useful.
there are only a few rules for this thread:
1. No flaming-one of goals for this thread is to help noobs, this thread is meant to de-clutter the ROM threads of kernel questions, (seemingly stupid or intelligent).
2. This thread is for talk of kernels only, there is a "off topic" discussion thread for everything else; and ROM threads to specifically talk about ROMS
So far i only know of three kernel types:
Faux's kernel
Stock kernels
X boarder's kernels, (different variants to go with different ROMS).
From what i understand Faux's kernels work with pretty much all of the ROM's but seem to cause boot loops.
I do not know too much about X's kernels and the issues they cause, so it would be nice if some one filled me in.
Ill start the thread by saying, I have used the stock kernel that shipped with my phone over the quick sense ROM, and the Bullet proof 2.4 ROM. the weird thing with that was, my WIFI worked. its weird because X, and everyone else says to flash one of X's or Faux's kernels or else wifi will not work. I have been apprehensive about flashing kernels because of the boot loop issues people have reportedly been having. however i went ahead and flashed the kernel that was included in the Bullet proof 2.4 ROM. i haven't used the phone all that much so no bootloop yet. the phone is fast and smooth. X's kernels are able to be overclocked and have three governors. i am very curious about Faux's kernel because he did some amazing things on the Mytouch 4g when i had it.
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so ur sayin we can flash most of these roms & still have the stock htc kernel wrking but wifi might break? so how about NRG's modified stock kernel on the Energy rom,will it wrk on all amaze roms & will wifi not break?? im coming frm a mytouch 4g so this phne is a lil complicated..sorry for actin like a noob lol..i havent used that easy kernel flasher,i been using flash image gui & heard that fauxs new kernels cnt b flashed with it?
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so ur sayin we can flash most of these roms & still have the stock htc kernel wrking but wifi might break? so how about NRG's modified stock kernel on the Energy rom,will it wrk on all amaze roms & will wifi not break?? im coming frm a mytouch 4g so this phne is a lil complicated..sorry for actin like a noob lol..i havent used that easy kernel flasher,i been using flash image gui & heard that fauxs new kernels cnt b flashed with it?
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Idk about the WiFi question, I'm not educated enough on that, but what I've found to be successful is flashing the boot.img from xboarders ROM's .zip file with easy kernel flasher to get the best results. But with Energy ROM, I flash the stock kernel he provided with the stock kernel flasher. That method has worked flawlessly for me. I've never had a random reboot and I've never had a broken WiFi or BT. I've never had to flash a kernel more than once due to failed flash either.
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glacierguy said:
Idk about the WiFi question, I'm not educated enough on that, but what I've found to be successful is flashing the boot.img from xboarders ROM's .zip file with easy kernel flasher to get the best results. But with Energy ROM, I flash the stock kernel he provided with the stock kernel flasher. That method has worked flawlessly for me. I've never had a random reboot and I've never had a broken WiFi or BT. I've never had to flash a kernel more than once due to failed flash either.
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Thanks for the response.. i just wanted to read up on all this more before i flash another rom..Ive been on Energy rom since i got the phone but at first i had the wifi issue,then i went & dwnloaded his stock kernel & flashed it thru flash image gui..i dnt have access to a computer unless i go to a friend house so i rely alot on flash image gui lol.. thats why im askin if its fine to flash roms without flashin another kernel..
I'm not sure why, but the stock kernel worked just fine On quick sense and on bullet proof. I never had a wifi issues on those but the wifi on the energy rom didn't work. I'm using faux's kernel on bullet proof 2.4. I guess fauxs kernel is included in the bullet proof zip. I have only had 1 reboot in the past week. Also faux's kernel can be over clocked which is nice if your into that. I came from a mytouch 4g also so learning all this stuff can be a pain but once you read over everything its really not that difficult
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I finally relocked and forced the RUU (newest official version of our phone software) which puts you on the stock everything (ie kernel), and am running just fine on Energy ROM. Wifi works great, I haven't tried Bluetooth. So a far as I can tell, the stock kernel from TMo RUU 1.43 runs great and wifi is perfect. FYI.
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cmdmilitia13 said:
Thanks for the response.. i just wanted to read up on all this more before i flash another rom..Ive been on Energy rom since i got the phone but at first i had the wifi issue,then i went & dwnloaded his stock kernel & flashed it thru flash image gui....
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I bet most of the kernel issues in this thread would be from people having issues with flash image GUI. Not a fact, just a strong uneducated hunch
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glacierguy said:
I bet most of the kernel issues in this thread would be from people having issues with flash image GUI. Not a fact, just a strong uneducated hunch
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2 kernels that im aware of is flashable with flash image gui,the amaze stock kernel frm Energy rom & the faux kernel frm fast amaze rom before the new update i guess.. Other than those 2 kernels i heard EKF modules or something like that cnt b used with flash image gui.. People gotta read before flashin things lol
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glacierguy said:
Idk about the WiFi question, I'm not educated enough on that, but what I've found to be successful is flashing the boot.img from xboarders ROM's .zip file with easy kernel flasher to get the best results. But with Energy ROM, I flash the stock kernel he provided with the stock kernel flasher. That method has worked flawlessly for me. I've never had a random reboot and I've never had a broken WiFi or BT. I've never had to flash a kernel more than once due to failed flash either.
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I'm probably just educated enough to be way off-base, but it seems to me a kernel with a wifi problem would also have a BT problem. Do people tend to experience those 2 together?
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I'm probably just educated enough to be way off-base, but it seems to me a kernel with a wifi problem would also have a BT problem. Do people tend to experience those 2 together?
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Yep that's uaully the case
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I'm pretty sure it had to do with the official build each rom is based off of. I know the official update to 1.43 changed the kernel around so if people have a stock kernel from an earlier official ruu the wifi and bt break when updating to a build based off 1.43. Most all roms past xboarders beast mod 2.0 are built off 1.43 at least. I think there are some ones newer than 1.43 but I'm not sure if the kernel had any updates in those builds.
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Hi I've bought myself the SGS2 (non-G version).
now, to root, do I use the method here? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1103399
and let's say i have rooted it using CF-root 5.2, do I just pick a ROM and start flashing them? Or do I proceed to flash a Custom Kernel first before the ROM?
Anyway, I noticed that there are 2 sections for the SGS2G and the SGS2 (non-G). Which ROMS do I select from and are the ROMS variant dependent? means if I have the non-G version, I cannot install a ROM from the SGS2 Original section? A little help please! So sorry for being a noob.
Yes follow those rooting instructions, after the phone is rooted download a rom and copy it to your phone then flash it via cmw or manually via recovery mode, reboot while holding power, home and volume up.
Personally I recommend bezke UltraIcs, using it without issue
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1393569
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adrianj said:
Hi I've bought myself the SGS2 (non-G version).
now, to root, do I use the method here? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1103399
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1st thing you do: read, read, read.
You can use whatever root method you feel comfortable with. I've used CF-Root, Odia's insecure kernels, SuperOneClick, and flashing Siyah kernel. They all work fine.
adrianj said:
and let's say i have rooted it using CF-root 5.2, do I just pick a ROM and start flashing them? Or do I proceed to flash a Custom Kernel first before the ROM?
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Most ROMs come with their own kernels, so if you flash a custom kernel, then a ROM, then the kernel that came with the ROM will overwrite whatever custom kernel you flashed first.
adrianj said:
Anyway, I noticed that there are 2 sections for the SGS2G and the SGS2 (non-G). Which ROMS do I select from and are the ROMS variant dependent? means if I have the non-G version, I cannot install a ROM from the SGS2 Original section? A little help please! So sorry for being a noob.
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What 2 sections do you mean? The Galaxy S II Original Android Development, and the Galaxy S II Android Development forums?
It's important to note that these are not G and non-G. Original means developed from the ground up. (think CyanogenMod) The non-original generally means derivative from another ROM - usually stock.
I9100G ROMs are scattered throughout the I9100 forums, because there is currently no separate forum for the I9100G. The post title for these ROMs should always note that they are for the I9100G instead of the I9100 though. As long as you follow my suggestion for 1st of all above, you should be fine.
If you have the i9100g choose the roms that clearly indicates i9100G only in title, otherwise it should work just fine for i9100. Roms in original development indicate roms built completely by the developer hence the original. The Android development roms are roms that could be based off of someone else' rom or similar. You can flash roms from either section.
Just make sure to properly flash them and never forget to make a backup.
Edit: ctomgee answered.
Kaze105 said:
If you have the i9100g choose the roms that clearly indicates i9100G only in title, otherwise it should work just fine for i9100. Roms in original development indicate roms built completely by the developer hence the original. The Android development roms are roms that could be based off of someone else' rom or similar. You can flash roms from either section.
Just make sure to properly flash them and never forget to make a backup.
Edit: ctomgee answered.
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Beat you by 2 min. It was a long post though, so it took me a while.
simbesh said:
Yes follow those rooting instructions, after the phone is rooted download a rom and copy it to your phone then flash it via cmw or manually via recovery mode, reboot while holding power, home and volume up.
Personally I recommend bezke UltraIcs, using it without issue
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1393569
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I'm downloading as we speak! Seems good! Love the ICS theme though. Are u using a custom kernel?
ctomgee said:
1st thing you do: read, read, read.
You can use whatever root method you feel comfortable with. I've used CF-Root, Odia's insecure kernels, SuperOneClick, and flashing Siyah kernel. They all work fine.
Most ROMs come with their own kernels, so if you flash a custom kernel, then a ROM, then the kernel that came with the ROM will overwrite whatever custom kernel you flashed first.
What 2 sections do you mean? The Galaxy S II Original Android Development, and the Galaxy S II Android Development forums?
It's important to note that these are not G and non-G. Original means developed from the ground up. (think CyanogenMod) The non-original generally means derivative from another ROM - usually stock.
I9100G ROMs are scattered throughout the I9100 forums, because there is currently no separate forum for the I9100G. The post title for these ROMs should always note that they are for the I9100G instead of the I9100 though. As long as you follow my suggestion for 1st of all above, you should be fine.
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Thank you so much for the prompt reply! Finally I've got the answers to my questions! Btw, what ROM are you currently using? What I'm particularly concerned about is the custom Kernel that can help me optimize my battery.
adrianj said:
I'm downloading as we speak! Seems good! Love the ICS theme though. Are u using a custom kernel?
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Please be aware that though simbesh said he is using it without issues, ICS is NOT officially released. Some users have issues with ICS ROMs that others use with absolutely no problems.
As Kaze105 said, ALWAYS make sure you make a backup before you flash. (in case you need to go back)
adrianj said:
I'm downloading as we speak! Seems good! Love the ICS theme though. Are u using a custom kernel?
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Nice, yea the ics theme is very slick. It was updated this morning to v2.1 with the latest i9100 kernal XXLPB
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simbesh said:
Nice, yea the ics theme is very slick. It was updated this morning to v2.1 with the latest i9100 kernal XXLPB
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nice! this will be my first ever custom rom! this rom is for the i9100 (non-G) right? cuz it didn't say 'G' in the title. just making sure.
ctomgee said:
As Kaze105 said, ALWAYS make sure you make a backup before you flash. (in case you need to go back)
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This this this
Yes standard i9100, it will be very clear if its i9100G or i9100 at&t etc if its a special rom
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ctomgee said:
Please be aware that though simbesh said he is using it without issues, ICS is NOT officially released. Some users have issues with ICS ROMs that others use with absolutely no problems.
As Kaze105 said, ALWAYS make sure you make a backup before you flash. (in case you need to go back)
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and by making a backup, i use the CWM nandroid backup? to restore from back up is through the same CWM?
adrianj said:
Thank you so much for the prompt reply! Finally I've got the answers to my questions! Btw, what ROM are you currently using? What I'm particularly concerned about is the custom Kernel that can help me optimize my battery.
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I am on stock XXKI3, which is 2.3.5, with Siyah Kernel 2.6.4. There are newer firmwares, and newer versions of Siyah, but I feel no need to upgrade as of now. I've modded my firmware myself pretty heavily, and prefer to do all the tweaks myself. Helps me understand how my phone works better.
If you're interested in a kernel that will help with battery, look at SpeedMod, then maybe Siyah. SpeedMod users swear by their battery life. I use Siyah because it has more features, and has more customization. But it's a preference thing.
adrianj said:
and by making a backup, i use the CWM nandroid backup? to restore from back up is through the same CWM?
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Correct
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adrianj said:
and by making a backup, i use the CWM nandroid backup? to restore from back up is through the same CWM?
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Yes, should be. Though be careful - flashing some kernels automatically installs certain versions of CWM. If your backup is made in a different version of CWM than what you are trying to restore from, it may not work.
ctomgee said:
I am on stock XXKI3, which is 2.3.5, with Siyah Kernel 2.6.4. There are newer firmwares, and newer versions of Siyah, but I feel no need to upgrade as of now. I've modded my firmware myself pretty heavily, and prefer to do all the tweaks myself. Helps me understand how my phone works better.
If you're interested in a kernel that will help with battery, look at SpeedMod, then maybe Siyah. SpeedMod users swear by their battery life. I use Siyah because it has more features, and has more customization. But it's a preference thing.
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seems pretty interesting the way you mod your phone! and by modding the phone yourself, you mean you take apart tweaks from different ROMs and install them in your phone? I hope im not imposing but do you mind sharing with me the tweaks that you have done to your stock rom? i might do the same if the ICS rom doesn't work the way i want it to.
adrianj said:
seems pretty interesting the way you mod your phone! and by modding the phone yourself, you mean you take apart tweaks from different ROMs and install them in your phone? I hope im not imposing but do you mind sharing with me the tweaks that you have done to your stock rom? i might do the same if the ICS rom doesn't work the way i want it to.
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The more involved mods I have are:
Phone.apk tweaked to have Noise Reduction off by default in phone calls
Battery icon with % in status bar
CRT-off animation on screen off
Rotation animation in UI
The first three involved decompiling the files involved, editing the files, and recompiling. The rotation animation involved downloading some files that another kind soul posted that were from the Galaxy Note and installing them on my phone in place of the files that were already there. All require root. You can find all of these in the forums with a search...
Wow. I just hit 500 posts. Crazy.
ctomgee said:
The more involved mods I have are:
Phone.apk tweaked to have Noise Reduction off by default in phone calls
Battery icon with % in status bar
CRT-off animation on screen off
Rotation animation in UI
The first three involved decompiling the files involved, editing the files, and recompiling. The rotation animation involved downloading some files that another kind soul posted that were from the Galaxy Note and installing them on my phone in place of the files that were already there. All require root. You can find all of these in the forums with a search...
Wow. I just hit 500 posts. Crazy.
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congrats on your posts! anyway, those mods are build dependent? or universal?
adrianj said:
congrats on your posts! anyway, those mods are build dependent? or universal?
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The first three I think are build dependent. Some people have tried different versions on other firmwares and had some success, but others, not so much.
The rotation animation one, I'm not sure about.
Hi all,
I'm fairly new to the i9100 part of the forum. My current phone is the skyrocket, but my gf has the i9100. On the skyrocket side, things seem to be different from the 9100.
I have read it somewhere that the kernel and recovery are linked together. I realized that there are couple of main kernels in the forum: siyahKernel, Shun, DarkKnight and Dorimanx. Some have Touch recovery included and some don't. If I were to do the recovery by myself, which is the best one out there? On Skyrocket, there are TWRP and CWM touch. I'm not sure if there are other things or newest version on this end and which is more recommended.
Any input would be great.
THANKS!
sumkee said:
Hi all,
I'm fairly new to the i9100 part of the forum. My current phone is the skyrocket, but my gf has the i9100. On the skyrocket side, things seem to be different from the 9100.
I have read it somewhere that the kernel and recovery are linked together. I realized that there are couple of main kernels in the forum: siyahKernel, Shun, DarkKnight and Dorimanx. Some have Touch recovery included and some don't. If I were to do the recovery by myself, which is the best one out there? On Skyrocket, there are TWRP and CWM touch. I'm not sure if there are other things or newest version on this end and which is more recommended.
Any input would be great.
THANKS!
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Hey there, welcome to the I9100 side of things :angel:
As far as I know, and for my entire experience of using the Galaxy S II, yeah, the kernel and the recovery are linked. There very well could be ways to flash a recovery independent of your kernel, but I advise against it. Especially because of lot of recoveries are customized to suit the kernel they come with, and have additional features/layouts suited to it.
Personally, up until a few days ago I was using SiyahKernel and if you're looking for, more than anything, a stable, fast, and smooth kernel with a multitude of features, you can't go wrong with gokhanmoral's work. Other than that, I've been trying out N.E.A.K. ICS and Fluxi ICS lately, so I can't give you any input on the others you listed. However, I know for a fact that SiyahKernel, N.E.A.K. and Fluxi all come with modified CWM-touch.
Hope I've answered your questions?
screamworks
Thanks for the response. It helped a lot. One more basic question if it's okay.
On the Skyrocket side, flashing a new ROM will replace whatever kernel that's currently on the ROM, how about the i9100? Do I have to flash the kernel each time after flashing a different ROM?
sumkee said:
Thanks for the response. It helped a lot. One more basic question if it's okay.
On the Skyrocket side, flashing a new ROM will replace whatever kernel that's currently on the ROM, how about the i9100? Do I have to flash the kernel each time after flashing a different ROM?
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Not a problem :angel:
Yeah, that's pretty much exactly the same here. For example, each day or two I flash a new nightly build of CyanogenMod 9, and when I do I immediately flash SiyahKernel/<whatever kernel I'm using> afterwards, otherwise it'll revert back to whatever's bundled with CM9.
screamworks
sumkee said:
Thanks for the response. It helped a lot. One more basic question if it's okay.
On the Skyrocket side, flashing a new ROM will replace whatever kernel that's currently on the ROM, how about the i9100? Do I have to flash the kernel each time after flashing a different ROM?
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Generally.
ROMs tend to have kernels packaged within them. (I've yet to see a ROM that DOESN'T have a kernel packaged...)
So if you want a different kernel than what comes in the ROM, you'll have to flash the desired kernel after you flash the ROM.
EDIT to add: screamworks, I promise I'm not following you around.
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EDIT to add: screamworks, I promise I'm not following you around.
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That's what all my stalkers say
Awesome. All Qs A-ed. Thanks a lot guys!
Hey Guys,
I have been reading a few threads but I am a bit confused (to say the least). I am trying to get the following questions answered
1a) Siyah 4.1 Kernel - Does this also do CWM? I got to Siyah based on creepnyncrawley's thread on doing CWM using Siyah but am now stuck with #1b below
1b) Siyah 4.1 Kernel only has a w/ mswap option. Per what I read this should be used only if we use I9100 ROMS. Can someone confirm/deny this? Also, is there a without mswap Kernel available
2) Jellybean - Being that I am still new to this any idea as to when we will get a stable jellybean build. The rationale being that as I am new to this I want to ensure that I use something stable so as to not brick the phone etc.
As said earlier - I have tried reading through things but admit to being a noob at this. Hope I am not asking folks to waste a lot of time
Thanks
TSP
theSilentProwler said:
Hey Guys,
I have been reading a few threads but I am a bit confused (to say the least). I am trying to get the following questions answered
1a) Siyah 4.1 Kernel - Does this also do CWM? I got to Siyah based on creepnyncrawley's thread on doing CWM using Siyah but am now stuck with #1b below
1b) Siyah 4.1 Kernel only has a w/ mswap option. Per what I read this should be used only if we use I9100 ROMS. Can someone confirm/deny this? Also, is there a without mswap Kernel available
2) Jellybean - Being that I am still new to this any idea as to when we will get a stable jellybean build. The rationale being that as I am new to this I want to ensure that I use something stable so as to not brick the phone etc.
As said earlier - I have tried reading through things but admit to being a noob at this. Hope I am not asking folks to waste a lot of time
Thanks
TSP
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1. No. just leave it how it is. changing recovery inside the kernel is not for noobs. our device is different from the rest.
b. mic swap/ no mic swap. one is for touchjizz and the other is for AOSP and yes, both are available.
stay away from the i9100 forums untill you know exactly what your doing. While these are similar devices, they are very much different.
2. ETA's are frowned on, asking for them even more so.
stable ROM has nothing to do with bricking. JB is stable for most. but still very much so under development.
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In a horrible mood. FML. But im gonna be nice today o.0
To add more info, Siyah kernel includes CWM already, all custom kernels for I777 include CWM; it's in fact the only way to get CWM onto your phone. An additional warning: do not try to update/change CWM separately, as it's built into the kernel.
If I'm not mistaken, all custom ICS and JB ROMs are I9100 based, hence the need for mic swap/no mic swap. At least, Samsung-based ones are, not sure about AOSP/AOKP. And if you flash the wrong one, no big deal, your phone won't brick or anything, you just will sound very quiet to callers and you'll know you need to switch.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong in any way.
theSilentProwler said:
Hey Guys,
I have been reading a few threads but I am a bit confused (to say the least). I am trying to get the following questions answered
1a) Siyah 4.1 Kernel - Does this also do CWM? I got to Siyah based on creepnyncrawley's thread on doing CWM using Siyah but am now stuck with #1b below
1b) Siyah 4.1 Kernel only has a w/ mswap option. Per what I read this should be used only if we use I9100 ROMS. Can someone confirm/deny this? Also, is there a without mswap Kernel available
2) Jellybean - Being that I am still new to this any idea as to when we will get a stable jellybean build. The rationale being that as I am new to this I want to ensure that I use something stable so as to not brick the phone etc.
As said earlier - I have tried reading through things but admit to being a noob at this. Hope I am not asking folks to waste a lot of time
Thanks
TSP
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1a) includes cwm.
1b) this will work with all current i777 jb ROMS since they're all aosp based.
2) CyanogenMod 10 (cm10) is stable enough for daily duty for most people and will definitely not brick your phone. Any instability you'll see will be in the form of battery drain, random reboots..that type of stuff. Not phone bricking instability. My advice is to try it. If you're one of the unlucky ones that has problems with freezes or battery drain then it's simple enough to flash back to something else. Either way, as long as you're following directions and flashing stuff made for your phone you will not brick your phone. The CyanogenMod team do excellent work and our maintainer, Entropy512 has put out a very good JB firmware.
My personal daily driver is cm10 with Siyah 4.1.1. I couldn't be happier compared to any ICS based roms.
I think the previous two posters have said it very well. I just want to add a couple of points on JB.
Since you are still new at this, perhaps you want to stick with ICS for now. JB roms for our phones, i believe, still have some kinks that need to be worked out, because, as i understand it (please correct me if I'm saying something dumb) Samsung has yet to release source code for certain key pieces devs need to build "native" jb roms for the 777. So, all else being equal, ics roms are more mature.
If you do stay with ics roms, you don't need to install Siyah 4.x, you can use Siyah 3.x with no problems. Siyah 4.x was created to add jb support, which you don't need if you stick with ics. The first post in Ktoonsez's Siyah thread will tell you which version you need (mic swap or not) depending on which rom you use...most roms, if not all, will already have the correct kernel built in.
oh yea, siyah does have a version of CWM huh. Always forget that its still CWM.
I was thinking OP wanted to change the version/style.
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If I'm not mistaken, all custom ICS and JB ROMs are I9100 based, hence the need for mic swap/no mic swap. At least, Samsung-based ones are, not sure about AOSP/AOKP.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong in any way.
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Your wrong. Crap in the ported section is from i9100.
android development is from source, or ours.
Mic swap has nothing to do with i777 or i9100. AOSP ROM's need a mic swap for the way the code is.
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oh yea, siyah does have a version of CWM huh. Always forget that its still CWM.
I was thinking OP wanted to change the version/style.
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Your wrong. Crap in the ported section is from i9100.
android development is from source, or ours.
Mic swap has nothing to do with i777 or i9100. AOSP ROM's need a mic swap for the way the code is.
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You're probably right about the mic swap, but you misunderstood what I meant about ICS and JB ROM bases.
What I meant is that the Original Development section houses ROMs that use an I9100 base, but are built for the I777 (Ported Development contains I9100 ROMs that have only been hellraised and are otherwise built for I9100). For example, ShoStock uses XWLPT- 4.0.4 as its base. That's obviously I9100, since there aren't any 4.0.4 stock bases for I777. The only ROM I'm aware of that uses an I777 ICS base is Semi, it uses the stock UCLE5 base. But these rules seem to only apply to Samsung based ROMs, and I have no idea how AOSP ones work. Can someone else clarify? I'm really starting to get confused now.
He Guys,
I have not gone AWOL on you. Have read the thread but have not been close to my PC to act on suggestions
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To add more info, Siyah kernel includes CWM already, all custom kernels for I777 include CWM; it's in fact the only way to get CWM onto your phone. An additional warning: do not try to update/change CWM separately, as it's built into the kernel.
If I'm not mistaken, all custom ICS and JB ROMs are I9100 based, hence the need for mic swap/no mic swap. At least, Samsung-based ones are, not sure about AOSP/AOKP. And if you flash the wrong one, no big deal, your phone won't brick or anything, you just will sound very quiet to callers and you'll know you need to switch.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong in any way.
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I forget exactly what I was doing a few days ago. I installed AOKP JB on friday as my secondary ROM. Running Siyah 4.1.1 I had JB as seconary, and stock ICS as primary. When calling from STOCK ICS, I was very quiet, like I was down a hallway from the phone. That is when I found out about service mode and all that. Ultimately though, tuning noise suppression on or off (I can't remember which completely fixed the way I sounded, but it's an in-call toggle so you can test it easy. Then after that I swapped ROMS to that stock was secondary, and JB was primary. Everything was fine except when plugging in aux cable in car, I had to crank car volume up because phone was really low. There are other threads about that particular issue, but I never ran into it until then. So, all this to say, mic-swap might not be that big of a deal with two roms. I'm a noob, so all I can do is speculate.
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I forget exactly what I was doing a few days ago. I installed AOKP JB on friday as my secondary ROM. Running Siyah 4.1.1 I had JB as seconary, and stock ICS as primary. When calling from STOCK ICS, I was very quiet, like I was down a hallway from the phone. That is when I found out about service mode and all that. Ultimately though, tuning noise suppression on or off (I can't remember which completely fixed the way I sounded, but it's an in-call toggle so you can test it easy. Then after that I swapped ROMS to that stock was secondary, and JB was primary. Everything was fine except when plugging in aux cable in car, I had to crank car volume up because phone was really low. There are other threads about that particular issue, but I never ran into it until then. So, all this to say, mic-swap might not be that big of a deal with two roms. I'm a noob, so all I can do is speculate.
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Its extremely obvious, you sounded far becauze you are using MIC SWAP! Mic swap on stock ics means the mic where you would normally talk gets swapped with the noise cancelling mic. Just my 2cents+common sense
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Its extremely obvious, you sounded far becauze you are using MIC SWAP! Mic swap on stock ics means the mic where you would normally talk gets swapped with the noise cancelling mic. Just my 2cents+common sense
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Yeah you can't use stock rom and AOSP rom without sounding far in one of them.
FYI.. I am currently trying Cyanogen 10 build. So far so good. Thanks for the help. Please close the thread if need be
Works pretty good with Shostock2
I recently picked up a GP 4.2. I immediately got it rooted so now I'm running a 2.3.6 stock rom with root. What's the next step in terms of getting a recovery installed and maybe moving up to an ICS or JB rom? I've kind of poked around a bit but it's some what confusing with all the other types of GPs in the same area. Does anybody have a recovery and rom they'd recommend? Is using rom manager to push CWM feasible?
I would recommend the ChaOS ROM/Kernel which includes CWM. It is one of the few available ROMs for this device right now but offers a lot of great features. You can also install an S3 or Jelly Bean theme with the ChaOS ROM. Here's the link to the ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2279806. I do not believe using ROM manager to push CWM is feasible on this device. Also, CM7 will most likely make it on to this device very soon. I would recommend watching for that in the near future. I know it can be a hassle trying to weed through the Galaxy Player forums to find 4.2 information but it's all we've got. Hope this helps and welcome to the SGP 4.2 community!
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I would recommend the ChaOS ROM/Kernel which includes CWM. It is one of the few available ROMs for this device right now but offers a lot of great features. You can also install an S3 or Jelly Bean theme with the ChaOS ROM. Here's the link to the ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2279806. I do not believe using ROM manager to push CWM is feasible on this device. Also, CM7 will most likely make it on to this device very soon. I would recommend watching for that in the near future. I know it can be a hassle trying to weed through the Galaxy Player forums to find 4.2 information but it's all we've got. Hope this helps and welcome to the SGP 4.2 community!
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Thank you for the info Meta. I'm somewhere around the mid-high mid level with flashing and rooting but slogging through trying to find the right info for a GP 4.2 was getting a bit hectic. I think part of it was the way some people abbreviate the model compared to others. I just wanted to make sure I didn't brick the device.
I got it mainly for a perm, in-car music and GPS/navigation provider instead of always looking to my phone to do it. One thing I noticed about the rom, it mentions installing it via CWM. If I don't have CWM yet, can this rom get pushed by odin or do I have to get CWM first and then flash the rom?
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Thank you for the info Meta. I'm somewhere around the mid-high mid level with flashing and rooting but slogging through trying to find the right info for a GP 4.2 was getting a bit hectic. I think part of it was the way some people abbreviate the model compared to others. I just wanted to make sure I didn't brick the device.
I got it mainly for a perm, in-car music and GPS/navigation provider instead of always looking to my phone to do it. One thing I noticed about the rom, it mentions installing it via CWM. If I don't have CWM yet, can this rom get pushed by odin or do I have to get CWM first and then flash the rom?
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you should flash CWM via odin first and then flash the ROM via CWM
Would the instructions here be the right thing to do?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MbHDbjph8A
MetaMav said:
I would recommend the ChaOS ROM/Kernel which includes CWM. It is one of the few available ROMs for this device right now but offers a lot of great features. You can also install an S3 or Jelly Bean theme with the ChaOS ROM. Here's the link to the ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2279806. I do not believe using ROM manager to push CWM is feasible on this device. Also, CM7 will most likely make it on to this device very soon. I would recommend watching for that in the near future. I know it can be a hassle trying to weed through the Galaxy Player forums to find 4.2 information but it's all we've got. Hope this helps and welcome to the SGP 4.2 community!
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Do you know if CM will come to the 3.6 as well? And from what I understand, to get CWM on the 3.6 you have to flash a custom kernel?
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Would the instructions here be the right thing to do?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MbHDbjph8A
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Yes. Those instructions are correct. However, you do not need to run the adb dev tool like the person does in the beginning of video in order to boot into download mode. You can just hold the power, home, and down-volume button to boot the phone into download mode before using Odin. Zaclimon's CWM kernel can be found here (along with the wifi fix): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2198444 and installed with the instructions in the youtube video.
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Do you know if CM will come to the 3.6 as well? And from what I understand, to get CWM on the 3.6 you have to flash a custom kernel?
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From what I have read I know that SerkTheTurk is currently compiling CM for the 4.2. I would imagine either him or some other 3.6 dev will take up the task of CM for your device. And, the answer to your second question is yes, you do have to flash a custom kernel similar to how the 4.2 requires a custom kernel.
Hope that helps.
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Yes. Those instructions are correct. However, you do not need to run the adb dev tool like the person does in the beginning of video in order to boot into download mode. You can just hold the power, home, and down-volume button to boot the phone into download mode before using Odin. Zaclimon's CWM kernel can be found here (along with the wifi fix): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2198444 and installed with the instructions in the youtube video.
From what I have read I know that SerkTheTurk is currently compiling CM for the 4.2. I would imagine either him or some other 3.6 dev will take up the task of CM for your device. And, the answer to your second question is yes, you do have to flash a custom kernel similar to how the 4.2 requires a custom kernel.
Hope that helps.
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Ok thanks. I also have a question regarding flashing kernels. In the linux world (and other os world), randomly changing your kernel is a big no no that would lead to major compatibility issues. I don't understand how people can mix and match kernels, roms, firmware, bootloaders, recoveries and everything else? There won't be conflicts?
Regarding the kernel available for the 3.6: what do I do if I encounter stability issues with it and, say, the upcoming CM7? I wouldn't be able to go back to my original kernel because I didn't have CWM to back it up in the first place. Won't I be stuck with a potentially faulty kernel?
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Ok thanks. I also have a question regarding flashing kernels. In the linux world (and other os world), randomly changing your kernel is a big no no that would lead to major compatibility issues. I don't understand how people can mix and match kernels, roms, firmware, bootloaders, recoveries and everything else? There won't be conflicts?
Regarding the kernel available for the 3.6: what do I do if I encounter stability issues with it and, say, the upcoming CM7? I wouldn't be able to go back to my original kernel because I didn't have CWM to back it up in the first place. Won't I be stuck with a potentially faulty kernel?
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In changing kernels in the android world, you have mixed results. There are times a kernel can cause some issues but for the most part (we're talking like 98%), if an XDA dev posts a kernel and lets you know you can use it, you can trust it. These devs no matter the device spend painstaking hours ironing things out. Also, many of them have a select group of people testing the kernel for faults and issues. In a very active community, if a well known dev posts a kernel, you can trust it. HOWEVER...no matter what we think or believe or what we're told, every device is a unique and beautiful snowflake. Back up back up back up BACK UP BACK UP BACK UP your stuff. If you want to be super ULTRA safe, take the back up and download it to your PC or somewhere safe.
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In changing kernels in the android world, you have mixed results. There are times a kernel can cause some issues but for the most part (we're talking like 98%), if an XDA dev posts a kernel and lets you know you can use it, you can trust it. These devs no matter the device spend painstaking hours ironing things out. Also, many of them have a select group of people testing the kernel for faults and issues. In a very active community, if a well known dev posts a kernel, you can trust it. HOWEVER...no matter what we think or believe or what we're told, every device is a unique and beautiful snowflake. Back up back up back up BACK UP BACK UP BACK UP your stuff. If you want to be super ULTRA safe, take the back up and download it to your PC or somewhere safe.
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Well that's my dilemma because in order to backup my kernel I first need to flash the custom kernel to get CWM. What do I do?
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Well that's my dilemma because in order to backup my kernel I first need to flash the custom kernel to get CWM. What do I do?
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Just flash the cwm kernel because its basically the stock kernel but with cwm, and it shouldnt brick but if it does you can flash the stock kernel back again
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Just flash the cwm kernel because its basically the stock kernel but with cwm, and it shouldnt brick but if it does you can flash the stock kernel back again
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Where could I find a stock kernel?
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Where could I find a stock kernel?
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US version: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1885374
International: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1884071
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US version: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1885374
International: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1884071
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Ok thank you. However, will this work with YP-GS1?
But about kernels, on the webpage where I downloaded the stock rooted rom http://tau.shadowchild.nl/attn1/?p=166 it says specifically that the Wifi module in system and kernel must MATCH. This is what I'm talking about in regards to kernel compatibility with roms. How do I know if a kernel I'm downloading will have changes applied to it that will work with another rom like with this stock rom/kernel?
Well in order-I used odin to flash CWM. Once it rebooted, I saw the Galaxy SII boot anim. Used Rom Manager to have it boot to CWM. From there I flashed wifi fix, the rom and then the mod pack. My build number is gingerbread-ueld3. From what I can tell, I think I'm all done. At first I was like hrmmmmm. Doesn't look much different. When I hit the toggle bar though, I could tell it had changed. The process was all very simple after I got headed in the right direction with CWM. That was my only confusing start point for this.
Edit-my bad. The rom didn't take on the first flash. I could tell by the build number. Reflashing the rom and the s3 addons. Hrmmm. Might be boot looping. It's going through the comet and coming up to the white samsung, vibrates a few times after a bit and goes back to the comet with no sound.
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Well in order-I used odin to flash CWM. Once it rebooted, I saw the Galaxy SII boot anim. Used Rom Manager to have it boot to CWM. From there I flashed wifi fix, the rom and then the mod pack. My build number is gingerbread-ueld3. From what I can tell, I think I'm all done. At first I was like hrmmmmm. Doesn't look much different. When I hit the toggle bar though, I could tell it had changed. The process was all very simple after I got headed in the right direction with CWM. That was my only confusing start point for this.
Edit-my bad. The rom didn't take on the first flash. I could tell by the build number. Reflashing the rom and the s3 addons. Hrmmm. Might be boot looping. It's going through the comet and coming up to the white samsung, vibrates a few times after a bit and goes back to the comet with no sound.
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Well I had to flash this kernel http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2198234 to get CWM on mine. I haven't actually flashed anything with CWM because there doesn't seem to be any good roms for the 3.6 unless CM7 comes out sometime. I used Odin to flash a stock rom from here http://tau.shadowchild.nl/attn1/?p=166
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Well in order-I used odin to flash CWM. Once it rebooted, I saw the Galaxy SII boot anim. Used Rom Manager to have it boot to CWM. From there I flashed wifi fix, the rom and then the mod pack. My build number is gingerbread-ueld3. From what I can tell, I think I'm all done. At first I was like hrmmmmm. Doesn't look much different. When I hit the toggle bar though, I could tell it had changed. The process was all very simple after I got headed in the right direction with CWM. That was my only confusing start point for this.
Edit-my bad. The rom didn't take on the first flash. I could tell by the build number. Reflashing the rom and the s3 addons. Hrmmm. Might be boot looping. It's going through the comet and coming up to the white samsung, vibrates a few times after a bit and goes back to the comet with no sound.
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Poop. I think I bootloped the sucker. I can use Odin to reflash the stock, rooted rom just like I did when I got it first rooted right? Do we have another rom for the 4.2 I could try flashing? Not sure why it has bootlooped. I even went back into CWM, did a factory reset, flashed only the rom (no addons) and same thing. Possible bad download? It is flashing from the internal SD as my CWM is not seeing my external SD.
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Poop. I think I bootloped the sucker. I can use Odin to reflash the stock, rooted rom just like I did when I got it first rooted right? Do we have another rom for the 4.2 I could try flashing? Not sure why it has bootlooped. I even went back into CWM, did a factory reset, flashed only the rom (no addons) and same thing. Possible bad download? It is flashing from the internal SD as my CWM is not seeing my external SD.
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I have been meaning to post this on the dev thread for awhile. I thought this problem might only be for certain people but I think it applies to US and maybe non-EU devices. I believe that the ChaOS ROM will bootloop on US (YP-GI1/XAA) devices if you do not install ChaOS's Enhanced Stock ROM (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2279450) for whatever reason. I spent days trying to install his ROM and bootlooping.
The way I successfully installed (if I remember correctly):
-Do a factory reset of rooted stock ROM
-Boot to CWM (meaning you have already flashed the custom kernel) and install ChaOS's Enhanced Stock (put all install files on internal SD)
-Boot to CWM, wipe davlick cache under "advanced", wipe cache partition, and install the ChaOS ROM
-Wait a little while and your device should boot up properly
I hope this works for you. If it doesn't let me know and I can help you further. If this does work for you too then I will post this on the ROM's thread for other users.
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Well that's my dilemma because in order to backup my kernel I first need to flash the custom kernel to get CWM. What do I do?
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SerkTheTurk said it very well, you do not need to worry, but if you also want to do a backup before you install the custom kernel you could use the adb tools on the computer to backup the device. I'm sure you could learn how to do that with a quick Google search.
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I have been meaning to post this on the dev thread for awhile. I thought this problem might only be for certain people but I think it applies to US and maybe non-EU devices. I believe that the ChaOS ROM will bootloop on US (YP-GI1/XAA) devices if you do not install ChaOS's Enhanced Stock ROM (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2279450) for whatever reason. I spent days trying to install his ROM and bootlooping.
The way I successfully installed (if I remember correctly):
-Do a factory reset of rooted stock ROM
-Boot to CWM (meaning you have already flashed the custom kernel) and install ChaOS's Enhanced Stock (put all install files on internal SD)
-Boot to CWM, wipe davlick cache under "advanced", wipe cache partition, and install the ChaOS ROM
-Wait a little while and your device should boot up properly
I hope this works for you. If it doesn't let me know and I can help you further. If this does work for you too then I will post this on the ROM's thread for other users.
SerkTheTurk said it very well, you do not need to worry, but if you also want to do a backup before you install the custom kernel you could use the adb tools on the computer to backup the device. I'm sure you could learn how to do that with a quick Google search.
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ell there's not really much point in backing up the kernel when I've already downloaded it on my computer.
I've since flashed KingOS rom and don't really notice any differences at besides a few color changes... what's all the hype about?
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ell there's not really much point in backing up the kernel when I've already downloaded it on my computer.
I've since flashed KingOS rom and don't really notice any differences at besides a few color changes... what's all the hype about?
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Xen-it seems GPlayer development is still fairly newish. the work you see from devs now are all ground work. For the 4.2 and 3.6, they seem a little less dev populated than the 4 and 5. People will build upon the work of early devs and eventually get kernels that can OC and maybe ICS and JB roms. At this stage, we likely won't see anything like ZOMG earth shattering until people spend time with the devices. Seems Serk is on his way to doing the best he can for 4.2 but I am not sure who is tackling 3.6
It's weird how roms for devices go. I learned this when I had a tbolt and shockingly saw a FUNCTIONAL JB rom for my old Eris while the tbolt was still hanging back in ginger land with not even a really good ICS rom let alone JB. I asked the Tbolt community-why? How is it the dinosaur Eris has JB and not us? It all depends on what the devs can do with the sources provided. Sometimes certain hardware points are sticky. you can have beautiful JB rom for a device that can't talk to the camera if the hardware source isn't made available (reference the HP TP for many years)
For now, flash what you're comfortable with and and learn what you do and don't like. Also learn if you want to play things safe and not experiment or take on potentially beta builds. For the tbolt, tackling an ICS rom was too dicey so I never did. On my new Rezound, I eat up JB roms as they are in much better shape