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Hi,
I am getting ready to flash my first custom ROM. I have a Hero with firmware 2.1-update1 and baseband 63.18.55.06OU_6_35.15.01. I have been following the newbie guide (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=645253) and I'm intending to flash FroydVillain 1.5.
My question is this: can I safely flash the latest radio before flashing the custom ROM? I figured this would make sense as I can check to make sure my radios work fine after the radio update before I install the ROM. Or will this cause problems?
Yep, can do if you want.
And its simple to roll back if you have issues.
Why should i upgrade my radio? I'm still running the one i got with the StockROM 1.5 and flashed like 8 CustomROMs already, but never upgraded my radio.
So, why should i upgrade my radio?
87Vortex87 said:
Why should i upgrade my radio? I'm still running the one i got with the StockROM 1.5 and flashed like 8 CustomROMs already, but never upgraded my radio.
So, why should i upgrade my radio?
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I believe the radio controls gsm/data signal and battery and some other things. So the newer the radio the better these things will be. So it's really a no brainier, but just make sure you flash the correct one or you'll no doubt brick your phone.
jpool81 said:
I believe the radio controls gsm/data signal and battery and some other things. So the newer the radio the better these things will be. So it's really a no brainier, but just make sure you flash the correct one or you'll no doubt brick your phone.
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I know what it does. But what do you mean by better? Longer battery life? I doubt so. Better signal? Maybe.
What i mean is, what does it improve exactly and in what way?
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As new towers get built their data (signature) needs to be registered to the phone before it will connect to them. The radio contains this data.
[Q] Is it more "safe" to flash the offical ota MR2 Radio than the leaked one?
Im hearing of people bricking there thunderbolts installing the gingerbread radio,now does this apply to all "officially"released radios (like the one posted by the user andrew8806) on XDA or only the leaked ones? Is it safe to go on gingerbread now or should i just stay on froyo? And can someone recommend/link me a "safe" radio to flash so i can install a gingerbread rom. i have proper understanding on how to install radios i just dont know what radio to install. and should i flash radio first then rom or it dont make a difference ?
Thanks
the only radio that had a problem was th leaked mr2 and it was causing some random reboot issues but there all fine now. theres actually an mr2.5 2.75 and 3.0 radio. im on the 3.0 radio and i have had zero problems. you can find it on mclabias website --> http://devious-intentions.info/modules.php?name=Downloads&cid=6
dak_181 said:
the only radio that had a problem was th leaked mr2 and it was causing some random reboot issues but there all fine now. theres actually an mr2.5 2.75 and 3.0 radio. im on the 3.0 radio and i have had zero problems. you can find it on mclabias website
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Is there any benefit to switching to the 3.0 radio? Forgive me if that's a stupid question, I'm pretty new to the rooting scene...only been rooted 3 days and wonder why I never did this sooner.
i get way better service than i used to on any other radio. i pretty much live in a dead zone, but after switching to the 3.0 radio i can actually make calls here 4g data is way faster as well. do it!
dak_181 said:
i get way better service than i used to on any other radio. i pretty much live in a dead zone, but after switching to the 3.0 radio i can actually make calls here 4g data is way faster as well. do it!
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hahahaha...done. Thanks for the info man
I have been on the new leak since the day it leaked and have never had any radio related issues.
Jerelie said:
Im hearing of people bricking there thunderbolts installing the gingerbread radio,now does this apply to all "officially"released radios (like the one posted by the user andrew8806) on XDA or only the leaked ones? Is it safe to go on gingerbread now or should i just stay on froyo? And can someone recommend/link me a "safe" radio to flash so i can install a gingerbread rom. i have proper understanding on how to install radios i just dont know what radio to install. and should i flash radio first then rom or it dont make a difference ?
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Short answer: No
Longer answer: It was discovered that the bricks were hardware related not software. I have flashed every radio that has been released since I purchased my T-bolt at the beginning of May and have had ZERO issues.
I c. Can you link me to a radio you reccomend. And do have any tips to prevent bricking when flashing it or using it o:?
Edit 3: Well more news. I have found that it's a problem with OTA and the new base with ICS builds. Seems like the cpu settings aren't wanting to stick at all. It's min/max is set at 100%. Disabling Perflock with Antutu and Setcpu seem to not be working as well. I saw on a different forum that someone else was having this same problem and was suggested to flash BAMF's new sense boot img. This unfortunately did nothing. Am and two other people only having this issue? If so, man i'm unlucky
So I ran the OTA from Con247's thread here And now I am having crazy issues:
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1) Battery is overheating like crazy. Staying at 114F consistently
2) Had the "Dead Battery + CWM" issue like seen [URL="forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1489687"]here[/URL]
Now I have resolved the second issue, pain in the ass but solved. I was wondering if anyone had any advice for the first problem? Or if running an older RUU I'm thinking RUU_Vigor_VERIZON_WWE_1.02.605.6_Radio_RS_0.95.00.1013r_3161E_9K_NV_8k_1.12_9k_1.83_V_APT_release_221502_signed.exe
Any issues with going back? Is it even possible? This is a good arguement for having S-off so I can flash whatever I want. Thanks for the help!
Edit1: After further testing I have found that I can run GB with the battery hovering around 88F-92F while doing nothing and about 94F-96F while syncing. (Just flashed CleanROM GBE 1.7.5 for testing) Stock (from RUU) is running cool at 82F-86F
Edit2: Can anyone also give me some insight to normal battery temperatures? OC, stock, Heavy Use w/4g, Heavy Use Wifi, Screenoff... ect.)
My experience was similar. I think something in the OTA kernel is eating battery and causing heat. When I used that same process it didn't work quite right for me. I ended up RUUing to the latest official build and that helped some. Con's process does update your boot loader though and the old RUU will see that and fail. Your mainver should be updated too... So that can cause problems going back too.
I went to an ICS from and that helped my overheat issue some. I recommend the RUU and checking out one of those . You should see some improvement.
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My experience was similar. I think something in the OTA kernel is eating battery and causing heat. When I used that same process it didn't work quite right for me. I ended up RUUing to the latest official build and that helped some. Con's process does update your boot loader though and the old RUU will see that and fail. Your mainver should be updated too... So that can cause problems going back too.
I went to an ICS from and that helped my overheat issue some. I recommend the RUU and checking out one of those . You should see some improvement.
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So run the acutal RUU? The latest or an older version?
If you took the OTA, you have to run the latest RUU. 2.01.xxx.xx.
So it seems that running the older RUU wouldn't work because it detects your version and will tell you that you have a newer version.
There's a new tool from drellisdee that will change your mainver using a script.
HERE: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1526316
So... I think you can use that and put yourself back to 1.x and run the 1.x RUU. You might want to check in that thread though. Also, I don't know for sure that it will revert your hboot and radios and such by running the older RUU or not. Worth a try though.
I also think I've read something about being able to revert the radios back to the original ones, not sure where that was though, and may have just been a post of someone else who thought it was possible.
Yeah good idea, I was thinking that too. I unfortunately cannot find an older RUU that isn't uploaded to FileFactory. Man that place is the worst. So what if every other uploader has shutdown in fear of persecution. And because of that they're severely overloaded. I need my RUU's dammit.
Can anyone also give me some insight to normal battery temperatures? OC, stock, Heavy Use w/4g, Heavy Use Wifi, Screenoff... ect.)
I mis spoke above... When I used Con's manual method it updated my HBOOT (not bootloader) which caused the 1. RUU to fail (I was using an older method to rewrite my mainver to 1.000.00.000, or whatever).
I used the newest official RUU which I found on football's sticky'd post in the dev section. If that's missing now let me know and I can hook you up the flash able RUU file.
As for norms, there a a few threads on the topic, but I usually max out at like 125 when playing games or surfing on 3G 4G. That's too hot IMO, but I saw 140 once playing GTA when I was in the same place you are now.
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Yeah good idea, I was thinking that too. I unfortunately cannot find an older RUU that isn't uploaded to FileFactory. Man that place is the worst. So what if every other uploader has shutdown in fear of persecution. And because of that they're severely overloaded. I need my RUU's dammit.
Can anyone also give me some insight to normal battery temperatures? OC, stock, Heavy Use w/4g, Heavy Use Wifi, Screenoff... ect.)
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Don't know what to tell you. You can't run the older RUU even if you set your main version back. It will see the newer hboot and fail.
I did not change anything from the OTA update package. I just added root and turned it into a flashable rom. Any problems that you have are likely due the new radios or the new OTA rom itself. Alot of people have had back luck with the OTA rom and new radios/firmware. That is HTC's fault. All I did was simplify the install for rooted users.
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Don't know what to tell you. You can't run the older RUU even if you set your main version back. It will see the newer hboot and fail.
I did not change anything from the OTA update package. I just added root and turned it into a flashable rom. Any problems that you have are likely due the new radios or the new OTA rom itself. Alot of people have had back luck with the OTA rom and new radios/firmware. That is HTC's fault. All I did was simplify the install for rooted users.
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con... I read a post by someone who thought you had a method to go back to the old radios... Was that incorrect?
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No I don't have one. It is not possible without S-OFF. Whoever posted that does not know what they are talking about.
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Don't know what to tell you. You can't run the older RUU even if you set your main version back. It will see the newer hboot and fail.
I did not change anything from the OTA update package. I just added root and turned it into a flashable rom. Any problems that you have are likely due the new radios or the new OTA rom itself. Alot of people have had back luck with the OTA rom and new radios/firmware. That is HTC's fault. All I did was simplify the install for rooted users.
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For the record, I wasn't hating on what you put together, I had an error during my first try, and once I got it to take something was just still off. I'm sure it was a user error!
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For the record, I wasn't hating on what you put together, I had an error during my first try, and once I got it to take something was just still off. I'm sure it was a user error!
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I am fully aware that you aren't hating lol... I was just making sure that you know that you would have had the same experience if you had installed from the RUU.
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No I don't have one. It is not possible without S-OFF. Whoever posted that does not know what they are talking about.
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Yeah, I think they were mistaking what your Stock OTA ROM was for. Thanks for clarifying.
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OP updated with more findings. Also I re-read some of what I posted. I wasn't trying to place any blame on any one. Especially con247. You've, from what I've been seeing, have been a huge help around the community and I meant no disrespect.
Also-- coming from the 3D forums have really made me post apologies just to make sure nothing is taken the wrong way. I don't want to piss anyone off and have them not participate anymore. Effin haters are driving devs from our forums..
i am having the same problem with new new radios and firmware. nothing i have tried has given me the good battery life and low temps i had before the new radios. i really want s-off or someway of flashing the old radios. i was even wondering if ou could add the radio from the old ota to the new leak ruu and trick it into flashing the old radios but i doubt that would work.
Try using Scotts super wipe tool and re flashing the ROM. That's what helped me, I think my manual wipes kept missing things and freaking my phone out. Also reinstall everything from the market, my experience with restoring backup apps on a new rom has caused problems. Anyway these are all just suggestions that have helped me! Good luck!
Edit: since doing the above steps my Rezound hardly ever goes above 100 unless I'm tethering on 4g. And my battery life is good enough to get me through the day on the stock battery
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Esandorf said:
Try using Scotts super wipe tool and re flashing the ROM. That's what helped me, I think my manual wipes kept missing things and freaking my phone out. Also reinstall everything from the market, my experience with restoring backup apps on a new rom has caused problems. Anyway these are all just suggestions that have helped me! Good luck!
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thanks I'm going to try them.
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nev310 said:
thanks I'm going to try them.
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Scott is testing a new kernel in the dev forum to try and help address the issues if what I already suggested doesn't work, check it out!
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Scott is testing a new kernel in the dev forum to try and help address the issues if what I already suggested doesn't work, check it out!
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ive been trying the kernel he posted and I'm still haveing the same issues.
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Just curious, if I'm s-off and can/have flashed new radio and kernel is there still any reason to install the latest and greatest ruu? Are there any other benefits? Maybe I'm missing something but the latest roms from our awesome devs are being rebased on the latest leaks...I just don't see why flashing a ruu is needed. If I'm wrong or missing something please let me know. Thanks in advance.
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Nah its has the same fw as last one just few bug fixed in software level
I'm not saying specifically the last one, I mean in general as new ruus come out. If vzw doesn't eol us that is. Thanks though.
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in term of battery life i would stick to gb fw
but u can ics with patch and still got nice battery life
I've been rooted day one and s-off from the first day it was available and running cleanrom ics. GB sucked with sense for the half a day I used it. This was just an overall general question of "what's the point" and i'm sure others had similar thoughts. I'd hate for anyone to run a ruu for no reason just to have to re-setup their "got it the way I want it" rom of choice.
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If you're flashing the radio and perhaps hboot updates every time, probably not. I guess the good thing about the RUU is that you flash everything together in a package that is known with some certainty by the manufacturer to all play nice. You can always nandroid your custom ROM back on afterwards.
That said...I independently flashed hboot once or twice, and radio several times, on my old Incredible without incident. I've only done the RUU, and only one time, on the Rez.
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If you're flashing the radio and perhaps hboot updates every time, probably not. I guess the good thing about the RUU is that you flash everything together in a package that is known with some certainty by the manufacturer to all play nice. You can always nandroid your custom ROM back on afterwards.
That said...I independently flashed hboot once or twice, and radio several times, on my old Incredible without incident. I've only done the RUU, and only one time, on the Rez.
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Yeah I've update the hboot with latest jb and flashed the latest radio and kernel, no issues thus far and all is well...so I conclude ruus are a waste unless that's what you want to roll with is stock
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I'm just wondering if this will be the best method and save me from having to fastboot flash kernels to use newest roms based on 2.13 I'm currently hboot1.15 with 1.22 firmware.
Thanks in advance. Ps not a noob so not afraid to "go deep" with my phone
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Some people are holding out for a possible s-off, this will allow for firmware updates and the like while maintaining full write access to NAND. If this isn't a concern you can go ahead and update. The newest base doesn't really add much that isn't already in custom roms, it does cause some instability with a few roms that haven't updated their base. HBOOT 1.15+ requires you to fastboot kernel regardless. Some people have reported worse performance after OTA
Ok cool. So no big benifit of updating? I'm thinking of running latest Mean but honestly never fastboot flashed kernels b4. This is the first device I've got locked into a wack hboot that doesn't allow s-off.
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You should read my guide, it has a lot of really helpful info. It will help answer a lot of questions and get you going faster. But in response to your question, you can run any rom/kernel provided its the same base. You can not however, flash firmware updates to your device without taking OTA
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You should read my guide, it has a lot of really helpful info. It will help answer a lot of questions and get you going faster. But in response to your question, you can run any rom/kernel provided its the same base. You can not however, flash firmware updates to your device without taking OTA
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Great guide, reading now thx
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Thankyou, I've been pushing it harder then a politician with an agenda
I would highly recommend spending 0.99 to purchase Flash Image Gui. It makes it really easy for S-On to flash the kernel form the ROM zip, and then reboot to recovery and flash the full ROM. And no PC required to use the fastboot/ADB method.
You should take the update, those that don't will have problems, the new OTA includes a major upgrade to the radios. Those that have not taken the update and just use the new kernel with the new base software are having all kinds of problems with wifi, bluetooth, and holding their lte connections. All of these items were fixed in the new radio.
Now, the s-off argument, it is a fantasy! If you didn't s-off with the original bootloader 1.12 than you might as well upgrade to the full firmware of the new ota. You maybe waiting so long for a 1.15 s-off solution that your phone will have already been replaced with the next great phone that is released. Why handicap your phone with old firmware and radios when if you take the update now, you can still unlock your bootloader, flash twrp, and enjoy any of the custom rooted roms that are rocking the new base. Sense 4.1 and ICS 4.04 are worth the upgrade.
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You should take the update, those that don't will have problems, the new OTA includes a major upgrade to the radios. Those that have not taken the update and just use the new kernel with the new base software are having all kinds of problems with wifi, bluetooth, and holding their lte connections. All of these items were fixed in the new radio.
Now, the s-off argument, it is a fantasy! If you didn't s-off with the original bootloader 1.12 than you might as well upgrade to the full firmware of the new ota. You maybe waiting so long for a 1.15 s-off solution that your phone will have already been replaced with the next great phone that is released. Why handicap your phone with old firmware and radios when if you take the update now, you can still unlock your bootloader, flash twrp, and enjoy any of the custom rooted roms that are rocking the new base. Sense 4.1 and ICS 4.04 are worth the upgrade.
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You may or may not be right about the 1.15 s-off being a pipe dream, but I for one am having ZERO issues with the old firmware and the newest MeanROM. Wifi works fine, bluetooth works fine. No LTE here yet, so I don't know if that will be an issue. Until I see a problem that requires new firmware or a new radio, I'm sitting tight and keeping my fingers crossed.
Hey it may be a dream and a solution may not be found until the next latest and greatest but on custom firmware I can keep my fairly beastly phone running just as good if not better then a stock latest and greatest 2 years from now. I have no problems with 1.15 and there's no lte here yet. My WiFi works wonderfully and kushdeck is killing it with CM10. I'd just as soon wait
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You should take the update, those that don't will have problems, the new OTA includes a major upgrade to the radios. Those that have not taken the update and just use the new kernel with the new base software are having all kinds of problems with wifi, bluetooth, and holding their lte connections. All of these items were fixed in the new radio.
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I can say from my personal experience that this comment is absolutely false. I am sure that the new radios in the latest firmware are an improvement. However, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I am HBOOT 1.15, S-On, running MeanROM 3.9 with latest kernel flashed via Flash Image Gui. I live and work in a well covered LTE area. I am having none of the problems that you mention. LTE speeds of ~25Mb down, 18 Mb up. Wifi is working great at home, work, or the coffee shop. Bluetooth sounds just a clear as it always has.
So, it is very functional as-is. I am sure there may be improvements in the latest firmware, but to say you absolutely will have problems is just a lie. My LTEvo is running smooth like butter and fast as a rocket.
Not to mention the fact that some ROMs are on the old base and have issues with the new base, there was quite a few threads here and in other forums about people wanting to jump back to an older base
Well, if you want to keep running old firmware, that's your option. Thankfully I am s-off and rocking MeanRom 3.9 with the latest firmware and very happy. The op asked a question and got a lot of one sided answers from the "wait for s-off crowd" and I wanted to chime in. I have seen a lot of posts in the MeanRom thread and others that they have wifi and bluetooth problems and the common denominator is running the old firmware with the new kernel and base. Also seen hundreds of posts by people in LTE fringe areas unable to hold their LTE without it constantly switching back to 3g which is one of the fixes with the new radios. And to the old base custom roms not working well with the new firmware that is false, the new radios work fine with those old out of date custom roms. Step into the future and enjoy a fast trouble free phone.
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All true but I have seen plenty of people brick trying to jump back to earlier firmware
Thanks for all the comments. Currently I am rooted using HTC dev method. I have newest twrp recovery by using goo manager to overwrite the old twrp version that I had after using an older manual method to root.
I am running MeanRom 3.9 now. Found flash IMG app on play store pretty quick and its easy to use. Basically my phone is almost back to fully customized. I asked the question right when I got my replacement yesterday. Although I would like the benifits of the update, I'm kinda with the if it ain't broke don't fix it crowd. I'm not a fan of using adb to root but it def wasn't difficult at all. I'm just worried now that at this point to go back, ruu, update and such could be more harm then good at this point. Am I right?
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There's really not much harm, the biggest problem updating had been ROM compatibility and most developers are on the new base or are currently in the middle moving over. Those of us sticking with 1.15 are hopelessly awaiting an soff exploit that nay or may not come
Glad to see you're on MeanRom. Mikey is a great dev and fast with the updates. Since he is currently updating all of his tweaks to the new base, expect an update almost every day. The great thing about MeanRom is you don't have to wipe data between installs. And since you're already on the new kernel, when you update you won't have to flash it again, just the rom. Mikey now uses the ota updater app so you can use it to download the new rom each time and perform the install.
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