As the title indicates I am interested to see what people who own the Z2 feel about shutter speed in auto 8mp wide mode and also the cameras ability to Freeze motion both indoor and outdoor shots.
I would be very interested to hear from anyone who has a G3 as I have one on pre-order and also how the camera speed compares to the M8 super speedy camera.
I have watched loads of reviews and the time it takes from pressing shutter to the camera animation / taking seems a little slow but not many reviews talk about this subject.
The reason I ask is I have fast moving kids
Thanks in advance.
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Ive found that superiour auto doesnt always work but when it does the snapspeed is very rapid with minimal bluring
Z2 can record at 120fps maximum so there is video recording (slow motion edits are fun to play with)
3200 max iso (higher =faster snap)
Z2 does get a little warm when using the camera
I dont own the other two devices so my reivews/info is from 20 mins of experiance
The M8 has a alittle better due to the dedicated HW however pictured dont look as sharp and vibrant
The G3 i havnt seen much of aside hearing that focusing hardly ever fails and the sharpness of the camera is perfect
Id say look for camera shootouts
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Thanks for reply. I like camera shootouts but they never focus (lol) on the fast moving subjects and concentrate on low light and daylight shots.
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ipmanwck said:
Thanks for reply. I like camera shootouts but they never focus (lol) on the fast moving subjects and concentrate on low light and daylight shots.
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I find that camera shootouts are hopeless for reflecting real world use (if I see another macro shot of a pink flower i'm gonna explode!).
I bought the G2 a few months ago based on the positive reviews of the camera (all landscapes and flowers of course) and boy did I end up regretting that! G2 shutter speed was woeful - it was impossible to take a good picture of my kids when the lighting was anything less than absolutely perfect. Also, the G2's noise reduction algorithm meant that even if your kids do stay still for a second, they'll end up looking like an oil painting (in less than good light).
Also the video on the G2 was shocking too - really contrasty in good light and very bad in low light - audio wasn't good either
I ended up selling the G2 and going for a Z2, and I have to say I'm very happy indeed - camera is much better than the G2 - shutter speed for capturing kids is about as good as you'll get on a phone. Video is brilliant too (its digital stabilisation is the best I've seen). In low light, the Z2 does very well indeed. There's a bit of noise, but I'd much prefer that to my kids looking like they have plastic faces!
Anyway, the G3 camera *looks* better than the G2 , but I was so disappointed by the G2 that I don't know if i can even trust the reviews as they aren't really focussed on my (and your) typical use-cases.
Anyway, that's my tuppence. I know how important it is to capture memories of the kids and I have to say the Z2 hasn't let me down.
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I find that camera shootouts are hopeless for reflecting real world use (if I see another macro shot of a pink flower i'm gonna explode!).
I bought the G2 a few months ago based on the positive reviews of the camera (all landscapes and flowers of course) and boy did I end up regretting that! G2 shutter speed was woeful - it was impossible to take a good picture of my kids when the lighting was anything less than absolutely perfect. Also, the G2's noise reduction algorithm meant that even if your kids do stay still for a second, they'll end up looking like an oil painting (in less than good light).
Also the video on the G2 was shocking too - really contrasty in good light and very bad in low light - audio wasn't good either
I ended up selling the G2 and going for a Z2, and I have to say I'm very happy indeed - camera is much better than the G2 - shutter speed for capturing kids is about as good as you'll get on a phone. Video is brilliant too (its digital stabilisation is the best I've seen). In low light, the Z2 does very well indeed. There's a bit of noise, but I'd much prefer that to my kids looking like they have plastic faces!
Anyway, the G3 camera *looks* better than the G2 , but I was so disappointed by the G2 that I don't know if i can even trust the reviews as they aren't really focussed on my (and your) typical use-cases.
Anyway, that's my tuppence. I know how important it is to capture memories of the kids and I have to say the Z2 hasn't let me down.
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Really helpful. Thanks very much. What is the time from when you press the shutter from it actually taking a pic. HTC and g3 are super fast but z2 appears to have a small delay ?
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I've taken a few photos from moving cars and they almost always turned out extremely clear. I was very impressed
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I've taken a few photos from moving cars and they almost always turned out extremely clear. I was very impressed
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Impressive. What about running kids or pets ?
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Took some pics of my son running around and kicking a football about and they all came out clear even shots with ball in the air and him running.
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Took some pics of my son running around and kicking a football about and they all came out clear even shots with ball in the air and him running.
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Wow. That's pretty good to hear. Could anyone please post samples of fast moving stuff. Would love to see a dog running being frozen or if someone could bounce a tennis ball and try to capture it whilst it's in fast motion ...not at the top of the bounce where it stops in mid air. Still trying to make a decision between this phone and g3 which I preordered. Not very confident that the g3 camera is going to be better than the Z2 ... Still deciding. Thanks for all the help.
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Will see what I can do
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Really helpful. Thanks very much. What is the time from when you press the shutter from it actually taking a pic. HTC and g3 are super fast but z2 appears to have a small delay ?
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The delay is probably because it re-focuses before it takes the picture. Fortunately the dedicated camera button comes in handy here because you have the ability to half-press the shutter button which will focus and lock the focus until you do a full-press. Means that you can be much more certain that what you see when you press is what you get when the photo is processed.
You can actually acheive the same result with the on-screen buttonby first pressing it (which locks focus) and then unpressing it, which will fire the shutter.
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The delay is probably because it re-focuses before it takes the picture. Fortunately the dedicated camera button comes in handy here because you have the ability to half-press the shutter button which will focus and lock the focus until you do a full-press. Means that you can be much more certain that what you see when you press is what you get when the photo is processed.
You can actually acheive the same result with the on-screen buttonby first pressing it (which locks focus) and then unpressing it, which will fire the shutter.
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Thanks. I went and had a good test of the camera in 3 UK today. I found that half holding the hardware shutter key then fully pressing it was effective. I tested it instore but found that when I waved my hand back and forward and tried to capture it in a still image of struggled a little. If I didn't half hold the shutter to lock focus I found auto focus was not that quick compared to m8 and s5. Not bad but not as quick. Timeshift is excellent and overall I think camera was quite good. I always buy phones SIM free but I would only pay 450 for one. It's currently £550 which is steep when the other handsets are around 400 now. Waiting for a good deal.
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I try to shooting the puppies while they playing with auto mode. It look ok for me.
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I try to shooting the puppies while they playing with auto mode. It look ok for me.
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Thanks for pic. Taken through glass too ! Nice. A little blurred around the foot of the moving white dog but really appreciate the pic.
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ipmanwck said:
Thanks. I went and had a good test of the camera in 3 UK today. I found that half holding the hardware shutter key then fully pressing it was effective. I tested it instore but found that when I waved my hand back and forward and tried to capture it in a still image of struggled a little. If I didn't half hold the shutter to lock focus I found auto focus was not that quick compared to m8 and s5. Not bad but not as quick. Timeshift is excellent and overall I think camera was quite good. I always buy phones SIM free but I would only pay 450 for one. It's currently £550 which is steep when the other handsets are around 400 now. Waiting for a good deal.
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For me the focus speed is much, much less important than the shutter speed. It could take a second to focus (it doesn't, obviously) and I still wouldn't care that much as long as it was able to freeze the action.
I bought mine about a month ago in store from 3 UK for £459. Price must have gone up since then. £550 is definitely quite steep.
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For me the focus speed is much, much less important than the shutter speed. It could take a second to focus (it doesn't, obviously) and I still wouldn't care that much as long as it was able to freeze the action.
I bought mine about a month ago in store from 3 UK for £459. Price must have gone up since then. £550 is definitely quite steep.
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I hear what your saying. What phone did you come from. Yes the price has shot up. 549 is a joke. Apparently ee were selling then at 429 but missed it .... Booooo.
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ipmanwck said:
I hear what your saying. What phone did you come from. Yes the price has shot up. 549 is a joke. Apparently ee were selling then at 429 but missed it .... Booooo.
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Came from a G2. Really liked it but i just couldn't live with the camera. Such a disappointment. Before that I had a Note 2, which was very good. Excellent camera. I find the pictures with the samsungs are a bit sharper which I have to admit I preferred. Z2 pics have a bit less sharpness to them. I'd take the Z2 camera all day long though as it's better in low light than the note 2.
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Came from a G2. Really liked it but i just couldn't live with the camera. Such a disappointment. Before that I had a Note 2, which was very good. Excellent camera. I find the pictures with the samsungs are a bit sharper which I have to admit I preferred. Z2 pics have a bit less sharpness to them. I'd take the Z2 camera all day long though as it's better in low light than the note 2.
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G2 camera was pretty bad. Sammy has poor low light shots. Good to hear z2 is better.
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If anyone can post more samples that would be great. Thanks.
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le_lutin said:
I find that camera shootouts are hopeless for reflecting real world use (if I see another macro shot of a pink flower i'm gonna explode!).
I bought the G2 a few months ago based on the positive reviews of the camera (all landscapes and flowers of course) and boy did I end up regretting that! G2 shutter speed was woeful - it was impossible to take a good picture of my kids when the lighting was anything less than absolutely perfect. Also, the G2's noise reduction algorithm meant that even if your kids do stay still for a second, they'll end up looking like an oil painting (in less than good light).
Also the video on the G2 was shocking too - really contrasty in good light and very bad in low light - audio wasn't good either
I ended up selling the G2 and going for a Z2, and I have to say I'm very happy indeed - camera is much better than the G2 - shutter speed for capturing kids is about as good as you'll get on a phone. Video is brilliant too (its digital stabilisation is the best I've seen). In low light, the Z2 does very well indeed. There's a bit of noise, but I'd much prefer that to my kids looking like they have plastic faces!
Anyway, the G3 camera *looks* better than the G2 , but I was so disappointed by the G2 that I don't know if i can even trust the reviews as they aren't really focussed on my (and your) typical use-cases.
Anyway, that's my tuppence. I know how important it is to capture memories of the kids and I have to say the Z2 hasn't let me down.
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This is exactly my case. Have a g2 to and can't capture nothing moving. Is a bit better after a few camera mods but is not ideal. I will buy z2, was a bit worried about camera overheat but I think I will try it anyway.
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I have seen a few threads on this, but it seems like no one has any answers, or i guess it doesn't bother them... Anyway the camera app is horrible at taking shots of anything that can move. I have tried camera fx as well and it's no better.
My captivate camera app was better, and my wifes old iphone will smoke this camera in regards of shutter speed.
It seems impossible to get any non blurry pics of my kids even just sitting there (as we all know kids don't sit perfectly still)
Long story short, is there anyway to get a quicker shutter speed? I have tried all the different ISO settings, and my anti shake is off and a bunch of other things and i still can't get this thing to take decent pictures. If you are using it on things that don't move its great! other than that, it's pretty frustrating. :/
ANY help would be greatly appreciated!!
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I have seen a few threads on this, but it seems like no one has any answers, or i guess it doesn't bother them... Anyway the camera app is horrible at taking shots of anything that can move. I have tried camera fx as well and it's no better.
My captivate camera app was better, and my wifes old iphone will smoke this camera in regards of shutter speed.
It seems impossible to get any non blurry pics of my kids even just sitting there (as we all know kids don't sit perfectly still)
Long story short, is there anyway to get a quicker shutter speed? I have tried all the different ISO settings, and my anti shake is off and a bunch of other things and i still can't get this thing to take decent pictures. If you are using it on things that don't move its great! other than that, it's pretty frustrating. :/
ANY help would be greatly appreciated!!
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Taking pics with lots of light helps tremendously. If you're going to take low light pics it certainly will induce a lot of shutter lag. Its a good camera for sure but its not a professional slr.
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For sure, I understand it is still a cell phone, but compared to my captivate and my wife's iPhone, this camera is disappointing.
Thanks for the reply! I suppose ill have to live with it for now. Maybe when the ics source comes out it will be better.
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The iPhone 4S camera still the best and fastest camera on the market (phone wise). SGS2 is a solid # 2
eortizr said:
The iPhone 4S camera still the best and fastest camera on the market (phone wise). SGS2 is a solid # 2
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It's been a while since I had a Nokia phone (N95), but those cameras were the best by far.
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The iPhone 4S camera still the best and fastest camera on the market (phone wise). SGS2 is a solid # 2
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Not according to reviews and tests.
4s can't change any settings - everything is auto. Sgs2 has nearly full control or auto. This device was also released 8mo ago... so if you give it that, its understandable why the 4s might have a slight edge.
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Well I'm not going by reviews, just personal experience. my wife has the 4S and that camera is freaking fast when compared to the SGS2 and the picture quality is better. I hate Apple and their products.. but the true is the true
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I have seen a few threads on this, but it seems like no one has any answers, or i guess it doesn't bother them... Anyway the camera app is horrible at taking shots of anything that can move. I have tried camera fx as well and it's no better.
My captivate camera app was better, and my wifes old iphone will smoke this camera in regards of shutter speed.
It seems impossible to get any non blurry pics of my kids even just sitting there (as we all know kids don't sit perfectly still)
Long story short, is there anyway to get a quicker shutter speed? I have tried all the different ISO settings, and my anti shake is off and a bunch of other things and i still can't get this thing to take decent pictures. If you are using it on things that don't move its great! other than that, it's pretty frustrating. :/
ANY help would be greatly appreciated!!
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I would also agree that the Captivate's camera was better, but more for white balance in warmer light.
As for your issue, i'm a bit confused. Is your problem shutter lag (the time between when you press the shutter and when the exposure starts) or that the shutter speed seems really slow?
If it's the later, could you post a sample photo along with the EXIF info? Also try at different amounts of light.
Hi guy's,... I thought the camera was good until i view it on my computer...it's kinda granny with lots of noise... it looks good in the 1080p display but not on FB or in my computer rofl. I guess something is really wrong with the camera.
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Hi guy's,... I thought the camera was good until i view it on my computer...it's kinda granny with lots of noise... it looks good in the 1080p display but not on FB or in my computer rofl. I guess something is really wrong with the camera.
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Welcome to mobile cameras, they all throw pixel count at you when what they really need are better sensors. I have NEVER had a phone camera take pictures that didn't have tons of noise and look like complete **** on a decent monitor. In my experience thus far, this camera is no different than others I've seen.
Agree^^
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In my experience thus far, this camera is no different than others I've seen.
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Can you compare to Maxx HD?
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Great minds think alike．
Disagree.. maybe its your laptop... The pics from my rezound look awesome on my laptop
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Nokia has killer cameras. Even the old models, wish others would follw them
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Have been playing with the camera all day today. Compared to iphone5 this shows lot of noise especially in low light. When cmpared to gs3, noise is marginally higher in low light photos. Under good light conditions, this seems to produce most faithful color reproduction.
Just my observation
Yea, I just compared gsiii and DNA cameras, I think gsiii is better most of the time, but not in color reproduction. But honestly, they are both awful. :thumbdown:
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I just downloaded camera 360 from the market, and its so much better than the stock camera.
I went downtown Detroit last night after Dinner, and even though I said that the S3 Camera is better, I'll retract my statement (different thread) after taking some low lights pics. The Low Light Pics on my S3 looked horrible.....but was pleasantly surprised by this camera. I attached a few pictures to show that the pics in low light actually look pretty damn good, especially since it was taken with a Phone, and I was a bit tipsy after drinking too much at Dinner (hands weren't exactly steady).
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I went downtown Detroit last night after Dinner, and even though I said that the S3 Camera is better, I'll retract my statement (different thread) after taking some low lights pics. The Low Light Pics on my S3 looked horrible.....but was pleasantly surprised by this camera. I attached a few pictures to show that the pics in low light actually look pretty damn good, especially since it was taken with a Phone, and I was a bit tipsy after drinking too much at Dinner (hands weren't exactly steady).
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Damn... I was going to pick up that phone today but after seeing these pics I don't think I am. A good camera is very important to me, maybe I'll get the Lumia 920 instead...
Well, what do you expect from a phone's camera? Whatever the camera's hardware is, if 90% of its settings are controlled automatically, the result is most probably going to suck. In a darker scene, this phone's software may want to bump the ISO higher than another phone's software, hence this noise and lack of detail. But anyway, a different camera app and you knowing how to use it will most probably show better results.
For me, a cellphone's camera is not much more than a barcode scanner.
Exactly. Phone cameras will always suck compared to a quality Point&Shoot. Smaller sensor, few manual settings, and software made by phone manufacturers, not Canon/Nikon. It's fine for a decent landscape shot or portrait on a sunny day but some people just have ridiculous expectations.
People spend thousands of dollars on camera equipment that works well in low light or for fast action. Maybe the iPhone 5 is marginally better than this, but I've played with my family's new iPhones and IMO the camera is still just a phone camera. If I wanted to take a good picture I'd bring something else.
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Some people didn't like my review of the DNA saying that I was too harsh on the 1080p 440ppi display. How could it possibly be worse than the 720p S3 panel? Well, I think these will speak for themselves:
First a short video shot by an iPhone 4S...DNA vs S3 playing Underworld Awakening. It's a bit hard to show how much the S3 dominates because it's a video of video playback, but the most accurate part is when Selene and Michael are kissing. You can see the skin tone is MUCH better:
http://db.tt/Z597Hcuc
Then the friend with the iPhone 4S and I went out and took some shots. He's taller than me, so the angles are a bit off, but you get the idea. 4S is on the left, DNA on the right:
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http://db.tt/cBAcLDwo
http://db.tt/9sHcE6yO
http://db.tt/hORDltQq
http://db.tt/G3pabYog
As you can clearly see, the DNA gets smoked when it comes to color and brightness. Either I have a bad panel or sensor or this camera/video playback is just simply inferior right out the box.
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Damn... I was going to pick up that phone today but after seeing these pics I don't think I am. A good camera is very important to me, maybe I'll get the Lumia 920 instead...
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Don't forget-I was NOT really holding the camera steady (Tipsy), but my spouse had my S3 and the DNA's pics actually look better in those low-light shots than on the S3. I need to go to the Conservatory and take some daylight shots of all the tropical plants. THAT'S where I usually take my dSLR and even when I took the S3 there, the pics came out great,popping colors, etc.... Let's see how the DNA can handle those.
The difference is amazing!!!
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I just downloaded camera 360 from the market, and its so much better than the stock camera.
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I just downloaded the Camera 360 Ultimate from the Play Store and the difference is very, VERY noticeable. EVERY DNA owner needs to switch immediately. It's COMPLETELY a software issue. I'll be testing other camera apps right now, but this was a drastic improvement!!!
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I went downtown Detroit last night after Dinner, and even though I said that the S3 Camera is better, I'll retract my statement (different thread) after taking some low lights pics. The Low Light Pics on my S3 looked horrible.....but was pleasantly surprised by this camera. I attached a few pictures to show that the pics in low light actually look pretty damn good, especially since it was taken with a Phone, and I was a bit tipsy after drinking too much at Dinner (hands weren't exactly steady).
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On my monitor those pictures look absolutely horrible, grainy and pixely. Are you using a stock camera or a 3rd party one?
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Exactly. Phone cameras will always suck compared to a quality Point&Shoot. Smaller sensor, few manual settings, and software made by phone manufacturers, not Canon/Nikon. It's fine for a decent landscape shot or portrait on a sunny day but some people just have ridiculous expectations.
People spend thousands of dollars on camera equipment that works well in low light or for fast action. Maybe the iPhone 5 is marginally better than this, but I've played with my family's new iPhones and IMO the camera is still just a phone camera. If I wanted to take a good picture I'd bring something else.
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Well no camera will ever be like buying a nikon but getting normal point&shoot quality pics isn't much to ask for, nokias are able to achieve it, seems to be just a part of the phone being skimped on. Nothing to stop me frfom buyin though, they are "good enough"
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Some people didn't like my review of the DNA saying that I was too harsh on the 1080p 440ppi display. How could it possibly be worse than the 720p S3 panel? Well, I think these will speak for themselves:
First a short video shot by an iPhone 4S...DNA vs S3 playing Underworld Awakening. It's a bit hard to show how much the S3 dominates because it's a video of video playback, but the most accurate part is when Selene and Michael are kissing. You can see the skin tone is MUCH better:
http://db.tt/Z597Hcuc
Then the friend with the iPhone 4S and I went out and took some shots. He's taller than me, so the angles are a bit off, but you get the idea. 4S is on the left, DNA on the right:
http://db.tt/edmZQvMD
http://db.tt/cBAcLDwo
http://db.tt/9sHcE6yO
http://db.tt/hORDltQq
http://db.tt/G3pabYog
As you can clearly see, the DNA gets smoked when it comes to color and brightness. Either I have a bad panel or sensor or this camera/video playback is just simply inferior right out the box.
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Dude, something is definitely wrong with your lens. Half those pictures look flat out BLURRY. There are a bevy of example shots from the DNA, just google some and take a look. I'd upload some of my own if it werent for the fact they're already out there. Those pictures you took look like something my 2001 blackberry pearl took.
OIS on the G2 kills the competition check this out http://www.tinhte.vn/threads/so-sanh-camera-galaxy-s4-lg-g2-va-sky-a880.2160586/ only go for the low light shots!
night shots look good, but damn.. some of those gs4 daytime shots look better. bah!
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night shots look good, but damn.. some of those gs4 daytime shots look better. bah!
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I'd say they split the daytime shots. some better on the G2 and vis versa. But let's be honest. The camera is fantastic on the G2. That combined with everything else makes it a no-brainer. Just wish it was waterproof like the Z1 :laugh:
mhm. I'm def getting it. I'm hearing people say verizon stores don't know if they'll have it Thursday.. i'm pissed.
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I have to take example pics like those with a grain of salt. Most of my pics are indoors and I always take more than one shot because the settings seem to change a bit with almost every shot. There is always one that looks better than another. But overall it does seem like the G2 (by way of image stabilization) can take better low light pics when used as a point and click.
My S4 has a Auto Detect Night Mode that works pretty good and I would probably use it for some of those shots. I wonder how the comparison would have looked if it was used.
I must get one.I'll sell my phone for it.Great battery life,great camera,great one hand use(at least for me),great display.What else does someone want in a phone?
The OIS on Android phones are pathetic (HTC One, LG G2, Note 3) because they try to do the bare minimum and keep the size small. Sony is even worse. They don't have OIS at all, to keep that 8.5mm body flat with no camera bulge. OIS is only as good as the size. The bigger the springs and ball bearings, the better the OIS. That's why the Lumia 920/925/1020 have such smooth OIS and great night shots. The HTC One also has great night shots because of its gigantic pixels, but the resolution and OIS sucks. If only there was an 8MP version of the HTC Ultrapixel camera with Nokia's OIS. That would be the best low-light shooter around.
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I must get one.I'll sell my phone for it.Great battery life,great camera,great one hand use(at least for me),great display.What else does someone want in a phone?
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Nothing. Considering my last 2 devices have been the orginal Incredible and the Gnex, I'm beyond due for some friggen battery life. Cam, display and SD800 are just a bonus. This will be my first ever LG, looking forward to trying something different.
it looks Brutal in low light... the poicture comes out gold lol.... the A880 was much better with acuracy in low light.... left is lg g2 and right is the A880
Unbelievable how slow this camera is...
Makes it almost unusable, especially with moving objects.
Is it just me?
Really my g2 takes pictures quite fast...no issues here
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Definitely faster than my Galaxy S2 on launch and taking a picture.
This camera has literally made me want to throw the phone against a wall.
What makes it worst is the results are the same with every camera application.
It has to be hardware.
I'm thinking I should've fixed my DROID DNA.
Taking pictures of moving objects is painful to say the least. It makes you wonder how they were able to get those pictures on their commercial...
I would of thought with optical stabilization that moving objects picture taking would be improved.
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I would of thought with optical stabilization that moving objects picture taking would be improved.
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Optical Stabilization has nothing to do with that. It has to do with "shake" caused by handholding the camera. OIS has nothing to do with moving objects. That's shutter speed.
+1 getting good pictures of my child is a PITA. It's just too slow
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Caught the soccer ball midflight without any fuss...
I would say the slowness of the camera is my biggest/only? gripe of the entire phone. This should get fixed soon, but we need to put the word out to them that this is a major concern of its users.
Taking pictures of the kids is ridiculously hard!!!! I have to put it on time shot so it takes multiple shots
TL;DR: A cellphone camera is a lot less flexible than a dedicated camera. If a scene is extremely well lit (read: direct sunlight), a cameraphone should be able to freeze frame, such as that soccer photo that was posted above, but if it's not well lit and/or the camera is biased towards slow shutter speeds, good luck. Gotta use the right tool for the job, and a cellphone isn't it.
Here comes the long version:
To create a picture, a specific amount of light is needed - too little, and you're underexposed, everything is too dark, too much, everything is over exposed; white. There's two primary factors controlling light taken in: Aperture (amount of light let in) and shutter speed (how much light is collected). Imagine filling a cup: aperture is how much you open the tap, and shutter speed is how long you keep it open. However, there's an additional factor: sensor sensitivity (ISO), which is a multiplication factor, but introduces noise when used. Think of measuring rainfall with a big bucket or a small glass. The glass will give you a ballpark figure, but the bucket will be much more accurate.
However, in all cell phones, the aperture is fixed, leaving only iso and shutter speed to be adjusted, and in most cell phones the max ISO is low due to the abysmal noise performance of these tiny sensors. In the case of the G2, it only has 4 stops of adjustment in ISO, where most compact cameras can manage 6 (iso 100-3200) and DSLRS can manage 8 or more. And, you really don't want to be using the last 2 stops if you can at all help it.
Problem is, the shutter speed can only go so low until hand shake becomes an issue. The whole point of image stabilization is to allow slower shutter speeds than could normally be used, with the ancillary benefit of less shaky video. Slower shutter speeds mean a lower ISO can be used, which results in better image quality. IS is one of the big selling points of this phone, so it's not a surprise they've decided to make it heavily favor its usage to increase image quality.
But, for moving stuff, you want fast shutter speeds.... with a bias towards slow shutter speeds, well, there's your problem. Sometimes there is a sports mode which will change the bias towards faster shutter speeds, but the G2's doesn't seem to do that (or it doesn't help much). I'd say, set ISO to max (800) and pray.
Or, if you are talking about focusing on a moving subject, either tap on something on the right plane as the moving subject, and take the picture when the subject is in the right spot. In the case of the G2, you have another option, which is to use manual focus. Either works.
Wow, the entire time I thought my camera was defective. The commercial makes a point of shooting pictures while the subject is moving and getting a still shot. In real life with this phone it's pretty impossible.
For most part the G2's camera has been fine for me but I usually don't take moving pictures with my cell phone camera.
It's true. I hope LG addresses this issue so long as it is a software defect. I'm concerned that it could be a hardware limitation though. capturing moving subjects is near impossible even in good lighting. However, the camera app opens fast enough, faster than SOME other devices. The shutter speed also gives the impression that it is faster than the nexus or moto camera. Galaxy devices are faster and then iOS has fastest shutter speed.
As for still subjects or scenes, this phone has arguably the best camera on any android device. In some instances, it is better than the iphone 5s, in others it is not. Low light shots are heavily softened yet the shot is brighter than any other camera I've seen. The smartphone camera that beats all of them is of course the lumia 1020, which many HAVE also complained to be slow.
Well I have a 9 month old and this thing doesn't miss a beat. I do however have that auto intelligence on and that snap is instant.
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Zigzag is point on. This is cell phone camera. I find it to be one of the best overall in that area. Every cell phone I have owned has had one weakness or the other. If you need quality pictures of moving objects then you need dslr. Or, snap a bunch and take the best one.
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craigbailey1986 said:
Well I have a 9 month old and this thing doesn't miss a beat. I do however have that auto intelligence on and that snap is instant.
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The camera drives me nuts as well. Every time I read about it someone chimes in saying "well its a cellphone camera" but I have had more cellphones than most people and never had such trouble taking pictures of my son/nephew/nice, etc. To get a child to stand still for a picture is tough and sometimes it takes up to 7 seconds (I've counted) to take the picture. That's an eternity as a parent. I love everything about this phone except that aspect of the camera and the fact that Verizon doesn't offer it in white, which I'm hoping is fixed tomorrow. From there I just have to hope LG has an update for this. I don't care about the science of taking pictures, how it let's in light, I don't care if they have little Indonesian kids working in a little micro-sweat shop drawing pictures. It takes way too long to take a picture in anything but perfect sunny daylight, and thats not because it's a cellphone camera, that's comparing it to many other cellphone cameras.
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The camera drives me nuts as well. Every time I read about it someone chimes in saying "well its a cellphone camera" but I have had more cellphones than most people and never had such trouble taking pictures of my son/nephew/nice, etc. To get a child to stand still for a picture is tough and sometimes it takes up to 7 seconds (I've counted) to take the picture. That's an eternity as a parent. I love everything about this phone except that aspect of the camera and the fact that Verizon doesn't offer it in white, which I'm hoping is fixed tomorrow. From there I just have to hope LG has an update for this. I don't care about the science of taking pictures, how it let's in light, I don't care if they have little Indonesian kids working in a little micro-sweat shop drawing pictures. It takes way too long to take a picture in anything but perfect sunny daylight, and thats not because it's a cellphone camera, that's comparing it to many other cellphone cameras.
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I wasn't saying it drives me nuts... I was saying I don't have an issue with the camera... my son is crawling now and becoming more playful everyday. I don't have any issue with the camera. It does a great capturing him moving around. Not sure what some of you guys are going through because what I use it for it does an awesome job......
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The camera drives me nuts as well. Every time I read about it someone chimes in saying "well its a cellphone camera" but I have had more cellphones than most people and never had such trouble taking pictures of my son/nephew/nice, etc. To get a child to stand still for a picture is tough and sometimes it takes up to 7 seconds (I've counted) to take the picture. That's an eternity as a parent. I love everything about this phone except that aspect of the camera and the fact that Verizon doesn't offer it in white, which I'm hoping is fixed tomorrow. From there I just have to hope LG has an update for this. I don't care about the science of taking pictures, how it let's in light, I don't care if they have little Indonesian kids working in a little micro-sweat shop drawing pictures. It takes way too long to take a picture in anything but perfect sunny daylight, and thats not because it's a cellphone camera, that's comparing it to many other cellphone cameras.
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I meant to quote the person on top of your post, not your post. The strangest part is that I had the phone for about a week and didn't notice any problem with the camera. I rooted it and still didn't even notice any issue. I uprooted back to stock so I could hopefully return it for a white one If it comes out in the next couple of days and it wasn't until that point I noticed it. I took many pictures the following days as I ended up in Great Wolf Lodge and took many unsuccessful pictures of the kids, but I wonder if it was working OK and then gave me a hard time after either rooting or unrooting or if it just took me a few days to get out of the honeymoon stage to realize it. I'm curious to see what happens if I do get the option to switch my phone in the coming days, if it'll still be a problem or not.
Didn't mean for such a long post, sorry. Just following the lead of the thread, "Blowing Off Steam."
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I read somewhere (most likely on here) that the Optimus PRO had the same issue for a while with the slow shutter and was eventually fixed with a software upgrade. I never had LG before (mainly because it isn't a heavily supported brand, which is frustrating with this one as well) so I don't know how they've been in the past.
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I meant to quote the person on top of your post, not your post. The strangest part is that I had the phone for about a week and didn't notice any problem with the camera. I rooted it and still didn't even notice any issue. I uprooted back to stock so I could hopefully return it for a white one If it comes out in the next couple of days and it wasn't until that point I noticed it. I took many pictures the following days as I ended up in Great Wolf Lodge and took many unsuccessful pictures of the kids, but I wonder if it was working OK and then gave me a hard time after either rooting or unrooting or if it just took me a few days to get out of the honeymoon stage to realize it. I'm curious to see what happens if I do get the option to switch my phone in the coming days, if it'll still be a problem or not.
Didn't mean for such a long post, sorry. Just following the lead of the thread, "Blowing Off Steam."
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I have read others with your issue and then those like me with no issue. Could be bad batch ois in some of the phones.
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Thanks HTC for bring a bigger mp camera to a phone that's suppose to be the little brother of the m8.........
http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/5/...tes-the-companys-flagship-phone-in-a-trimmed
...because we're ALWAYS complaining about the MP on our camera when we just upload the photos to instagram and fb..
You can't say that for ALL users. A lot of people don't need a expensive camera to take pics. Especially if you want to use that pic past Facebook etc. All I'm saying is instead of adding a second camera. HTC could have added more to the m8 to help keep it from being the same camera with a second camera. End of the day 4mp camera is a 4mp camera
When I want to use my pics past loading onto social apps. I use my note 3. But if I want to use this pic to upload then yes either my m8 or note 3 will do the job just fine
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I'll agree that what smartphone camera is "better" depends on how you in particular use the camera. But just because a camera has more MP, does not make it "better" either. We'll have to wait and see if the camera on the One Mini 2 actually yields better quality images than the M8.
Unless you are blowing up or cropping photos a lot, 13 MP is too much and a joke for a camera phone. High MP smartphone cameras really struggle in low light. And unless you are taking pictures outdoors in broad daylight, its often low light.
I'll agree that HTC probably should not have opted for the dual camera on the M8. Kinda cool at times, but also pretty gimmicky. The money probably would have been better spent improving image quality on the single rear camera (even if not to increase the MP).
It's kinda a slap in the face to a certain degree. Here is the new m8 with the same camera with a secondary camera which is mostly gimmicky while nice at the same time. Then they decide to make the new HTC one mini from a 5 mp camera to a 13MP camera...........
Now will it have better pics? Probably not or probably so. For most people it don't matter, but after being in retail when trying to sell a customer the one the camera is its downside cause on PAPER the 4mp camera doesn't sound good at all compared to the other smartphones out in the market. People will buy the mini 2 because of it has higher mp count than the m8. While the m8 blows the mini in other specs that 13MP camera looks a lot better to somebody who doesn't care to have the latest and greatest specs.
While a higher mp count doesn't make a camera phone any better yes, but why bring the same thing to the table for your flagship but have a mid range phone with a better spec camera on paper WHEN it comes to mp count. .
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but after being in retail when trying to sell a customer the one the camera is its downside cause on PAPER the 4mp camera doesn't sound good at all compared to the other smartphones out in the market. People will buy the mini 2 because of it has higher mp count than the m8.
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Unfortunately, Average Joe is always going to fall for that marketing gimmick of chasing big numbers, without having any real understanding of what they mean. How many times have you seen someone with a fancy, big screen 1080p TV; and the owner just has a standard definition program on it; and not even in the right aspect ratio (so the picture is all stretched out to fill the screen). That kinda crap drives me crazy!
I for one applaud HTC for turning their nose up at the megapixel arms race. Its gotten absurd. I mean seriously, do we really need a smartphone with a 41 MP camera? Of course not (I understand its actually a really good camera, but not because its 41 MP).
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While a higher mp count doesn't make a camera phone any better yes, but why bring the same thing to the table for your flagship but have a mid range phone with a better spec camera on paper WHEN it comes to mp count. .
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That is a really good point. Why push a certain marketing strategy (and one that particularly bucks the trend) for one device, then do nearly the exact opposite for another device.
In any case, I don't think that the Mini 2 will really compete directly with the M8. Price point alone, even the Average Joe Blow is going to know its a flagship versus a "budget" phone. Don't know about the One Mini in particular, but for the most part, any HTC phone aside from the "flagship" tends to sell in extremely low numbers. At least here in the US (don't know about other regions).
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Unfortunately, Average Joe is always going to fall for that marketing gimmick of chasing big numbers, without having any real understanding of what they mean. How many times have you seen someone with a fancy, big screen 1080p TV; and the owner just has a standard definition program on it; and not even in the right aspect ratio (so the picture is all stretched out to fill the screen). That kinda crap drives me crazy!
I for one applaud HTC for turning their nose up at the megapixel arms race. Its gotten absurd. I mean seriously, do we really need a smartphone with a 41 MP camera? Of course not (I understand its actually a really good camera, but not because its 41 MP).
That is a really good point. Why push a certain marketing strategy (and one that particularly bucks the trend) for one device, then do nearly the exact opposite for another device.
In any case, I don't think that the Mini 2 will really compete directly with the M8. Price point alone, even the Average Joe Blow is going to know its a flagship versus a "budget" phone. Don't know about the One Mini in particular, but for the most part, any HTC phone aside from the "flagship" tends to sell in extremely low numbers. At least here in the US (don't know about other regions).
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The same reason we need 4k Tv's and 2k screen on smartphones. To keep making them money lol! Exactly why say your not going to follow the trend but all your other phones are right in the trend? Lol but HTC could have tried a little harder for the m8 speaking of the camera of course. The phone is rock solid but don't have these commercials making fun of these mp trends and being different when your other devices join right in with today's trends.
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Some of my favorite shots have come from the camera on my M8. In terms of higher quality, I'm actually looking at the Sony G Lens, since it is supposed to take really nice shots, and is $200 at my local best buy.
Some people such as my self want a phone with camera and some prefer cameras that can be used as a phone.
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You can't say that for ALL users. A lot of people don't need a expensive camera to take pics. Especially if you want to use that pic past Facebook etc. All I'm saying is instead of adding a second camera. HTC could have added more to the m8 to help keep it from being the same camera with a second camera. End of the day 4mp camera is a 4mp camera
When I want to use my pics past loading onto social apps. I use my note 3. But if I want to use this pic to upload then yes either my m8 or note 3 will do the job just fine
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If I want to use my pics for something worthwhile, I use my Canon EOS.. otherwise I use a crappy phone camera.
lets all cut the crap. the camera is nice on the M8 and i do agree. to a certain degree. mega pixels don't make the camera. but it sucks for details when blowing up pictures or zooming we dont need 20 mp. but i think we should have something alittle higher
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lets all cut the crap. the camera is nice on the M8 and i do agree. to a certain degree. mega pixels don't make the camera. but it sucks for details when blowing up pictures or zooming we dont need 20 mp. but i think we should have something alittle higher
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reviews for the one mini 2 have started surfacing. in ideal conditions it is resolving a lot more detail, by a huge margin. but anything other than ideal and the m8 takes it.
i think the 2.0 pixel size is great and all, but i think we couldve benefited a lot for 1.8 sized pixels and an extra megapixel. that configuration shouldn't lead to a large camera hump.
i'm happy with what i got either way, i do miss the old OIS from my old m7. but whatever, the m8 has proven to be a capable shooter. and my nx300 is always on stand by in case i need a real camera
Any advice on rooting the Mini 2. I receive it tomorrow from carphone warehouse (379sterling.) Has the original Mini gained from official CM11 support thus far?
Any insight on how to root my forthcoming mini 2 and gaining cwm and porting roms would be greatly appreciated.
Does anyone know what phone o could potentially port from for the Mini 2.
How difficult to root and install a custom cwm recovery?
Hello community!
I have just bought the new HTC One Mini 2, it is locked with EE network. It looks like I am unable to get the unlock code anywhere. Do you have any suggestion or advice?
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what sucks is having a super light sensitive camera.. while living in Florida. It's always bright unless you paint your windows black.
So what if it has a camera with higher MPs. That doesn't make it a better phone than m8. Unless HTC comes up with a device having the same internals as the m8 but a better camera resolution, I don't see what is there to fuss about.
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what sucks is having a super light sensitive camera.. while living in Florida. It's always bright unless you paint your windows black.
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I'm not so sure that having a more sensitive sensor (while better for low light situations) necessarily means that there will be too much light in bright situations. The camera controls the sensitivity (ISO based on the old "film speed" terminology) as well as the aperture (f-stop). It might be that the automatic exposure that the camera is trying to achieve (balance between ISO, aperture and shutter time) is too bright for your local conditions. In which case, you can manually lower the exposure by tapping the 3-top menu button in the camera app, tap EV and lower the exposure value.
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I'm not so sure that having a more sensitive sensor (while better for low light situations) necessarily means that there will be too much light in bright situations. The camera controls the sensitivity (ISO based on the old "film speed" terminology) as well as the aperture (f-stop). It might be that the automatic exposure that the camera is trying to achieve (balance between ISO, aperture and shutter time) is too bright for your local conditions. In which case, you can manually lower the exposure by tapping the 3-top menu button in the camera app, tap EV and lower the exposure value.
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I've messed with all the settings. I appreciate the feedback though...
Unfortunately, if i have any picture with a bright spot from the sun the whole picture gets washed out. Full indoor is fine and full outdoor is fine. But daytime pictures indoors with sun coming in the window- washed out. Granted- if i still lived in Philly (or most parts of the country) i doubt it would be an issue.
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I've messed with all the settings. I appreciate the feedback though...
Unfortunately, if i have any picture with a bright spot from the sun the whole picture gets washed out. Full indoor is fine and full outdoor is fine. But daytime pictures indoors with sun coming in the window- washed out. Granted- if i still lived in Philly (or most parts of the country) i doubt it would be an issue.
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Any camera will have issues if there are areas in the frame which are very bright, or spotty lighting (mix of bright and darker spots). Or does it seem worse with the phone? Often forcing the focus to a different spot by tapping the screen helps a lot.