Hi all,
I am about to try to get my phone onto JellyBean, and have read through these two threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1238070
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=53235945
Think I get the drift, but one small question...where/what installs the newer Clockworkmod or TWRP recovery? Are they part of the ROM itself? The threads above make it sound as if they are, and if so, which versions of Jellybean use which recovery software (I can use either, per se, since I have tried both on my Nook Color, but that was easy compared to this install). If they're not, where in the process should they be installed?
Thanks in advance for pointing me in the right direction.
Eric
Yes jellybean wasn't particular about which recovery you could flash from.
Yes the ROM includes the recovery and the kernel.
yes on the fascinate the recovery and kernel are built together, and can only be installed as one item.
This is different from nearly every device.
In my listing of kernel/recoveries, that is why i tried to include which recovery it comes with and the ROM from which it was combined with so you can go back to reference if needed.
The actual functioning of the two recoveries is not different. they both do exactly the same thing just the ui it's different and some prefer one over the other...
Thanks very much...I am now successfully playing around with my 4.2.2 version of Paranoid Android.
Eric
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Hi, I am not really now to Android (have been using my Galaxy S2 from Bell for almost three months now). But have just gotten the chance to actually really look into rooting and hence, decided to root and flash my phone with Lite'ning 6.1 ROM.
What I am confused is that, while researching through the forums. I stumbled across many Custom ROMs such as Villain, Lite'ning, etc. What I am currently confused about is regarding Cyanogenmod 7. Is it a custom ROM like Lite'ning and all? or is it like a platform on which these ROMs such as Lite'ning are made on?
Furthermore, while browsing through Market, I found these ICS Theme but they mentioned that CM7 is required and the theme is applied through Theme Chooser App. So I just want to know if I'll be able to run it on my Lite'ning.
Lastly, if someone could be kind enough to post a link or teach me showing on how would I be able to flash back to my stock ROM (already downloaded it), I would greatly appreciate. I have read through the forum and is still confused.
Thank you very much for reading through my post and hoping someone could guide me through this.
I assume you used Odin to flash lightening rom. Same process with stock. Can't post links yet, but look up Intratechs post on official roms. Great guide in there.
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Litening and VillainRom are based off of Samsung's stock roms, meaning Touchwiz and everything Samsung originally included on the phone.
CyanogenMod7 and MIUI are based on AOSP, which is the android open source project. The roms are built from scratch essentially, from original sources given by Google. Any themes or mods that say they require CM7, will require CM7 to be flashed.
CM7 has special features as detailed on http://www.cyanogenmod.com/about/features, whereas Samsung-based roms have their own features like more codecs to play videos, a better camera app, built in screenshot utility, etc. Each has their advantages and disadvantages, so its more preference than anything. CM7 will be cutting-edge, but consequently have more bugs, while Samsung roms are generally the opposite (older but more stable).
poofish said:
Litening and VillainRom are based off of Samsung's stock roms, meaning Touchwiz and everything Samsung originally included on the phone.
CyanogenMod7 and MIUI are based on AOSP, which is the android open source project. The roms are built from scratch essentially, from original sources given by Google. Any themes or mods that say they require CM7, will require CM7 to be flashed.
CM7 has special features as detailed on http://www.cyanogenmod.com/about/features, whereas Samsung-based roms have their own features like more codecs to play videos, a better camera app, built in screenshot utility, etc. Each has their advantages and disadvantages, so its more preference than anything. CM7 will be cutting-edge, but consequently have more bugs, while Samsung roms are generally the opposite (older but more stable).
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Thanks so much for your reply, certainly helped me alot. If you dont mind I have another question. I came across SiyahKernel thing on the board and is confused as to what it actually is. Is is a custom ROM like Lite'ning? or something different. I am asking this because I saw a video on youtube of a demonstration of Galaxy S2 Running Cyanogenmod7 + siyahkernel.
The kernel is something different. Every rom needs a kernel to run. It handles low level stuff.
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So I could install SiyahKernel with Lite'ning? Has anyone done this already?
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So I could install SiyahKernel with Lite'ning? Has anyone done this already?
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Plenty .
jje
For my last clarification.
After I flashed 6.1 Lite'ning Rom on my phone I could see Superuser coming with it. But when i was reading through SiyahKernel I noticed that we need the program called CWM (is ROM Mananger on Market the same thing?) to flash the kernel onto the phone.
So based on my understanding, I just need to download SiyahKernel onto my SD Memory and choose 'Install ROM from SD Card' and select SiyahKernel and that's all right?
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For my last clarification.
After I flashed 6.1 Lite'ning Rom on my phone I could see Superuser coming with it. But when i was reading through SiyahKernel I noticed that we need the program called CWM (is ROM Mananger on Market the same thing?) to flash the kernel onto the phone.
So based on my understanding, I just need to download SiyahKernel onto my SD Memory and choose 'Install ROM from SD Card' and select SiyahKernel and that's all right?
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When they refer to flashing .zips from CWM, they mean ClockWorkMod Recovery. That's usually a recovery system packaged with the kernel, accessible by holding [up volume] + [home button] + [power button] when the phone is off. Then, there will be an option that says 'install zip from sd card.'
In your scenario, I'm not sure whether you have CWM Recovery, but its not necessarily needed. As you can see on the download site (www.gokhanmoral.com), there are links to both TAR and ZIP files.
Download the TAR file and flash it in the PDA section using Odin, the same way you flashed Litening Rom. Simple as that. After that when you try going into recovery mode, you'll see CWM Recovery with tons more options.
Specifically, the main benefit of CWM Recovery is that you can backup your entire phone, which you should do immediately. If anything goes wrong in the future while flashing a new ROM, you can always turn the phone off, restart in recovery mode, and restore that backup (restores the phone exactly to the same point you were at when you did the backup, but doesn't back up the external sd card which shouldn't have been affected anyway). It makes trying new ROMs entirely safe and painless.
This is the first time I rooted my phone and I used step 6 on this link in your forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1238070 . Everything went fine but I then downloaded rom manager and when I select flash clockworkmod it only gives me the choice of choosing the samsung epic4g or the samsung galaxyS i9000. It does not give me the option of choosing the fascinate. I selected the i9000 but stopped there because I figured that I should try to fix this situation and be able to select the fascinate, before I move foward. Please help me move foward so I will be able to put a rom on my phone. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
lucash312 said:
This is the first time I rooted my phone and I used step 6 on this link in your forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1238070 . Everything went fine but I then downloaded rom manager and when I select flash clockworkmod it only gives me the choice of choosing the samsung epic4g or the samsung galaxyS i9000. It does not give me the option of choosing the fascinate. I selected the i9000 but stopped there because I figured that I should try to fix this situation and be able to select the fascinate, before I move foward. Please help me move foward so I will be able to put a rom on my phone. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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rom manager is useless for the fascinate...
I also ran into this issue. If your CWM is not "sticky" (it goes to System Recovery <3e> when you reboot recovery), you must flash the appropriate version of CWM with ODIN before a ROM flash. (CWM ALL.tar for bml roms [anything that is not cm7, MIUI, or ICS] or cwm4_fixed_for_cm7.tar for MTD ROM's [cm7, MIUI, or ICS])
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I also ran into this issue. If your CWM is not "sticky" (it goes to System Recovery <3e> when you reboot recovery), you must flash the appropriate version of CWM with ODIN before a ROM flash. (CWM ALL.tar for bml roms [anything that is not cm7, MIUI, or ICS] or cwm4_fixed_for_cm7.tar for MTD ROM's [cm7, MIUI, or ICS])
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if the op would of followed the guides instructions correctly, he would not of ran into that issue in the first place...
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rom manager is useless for the fascinate...
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But if that's the case, why does Koushik make a ROM for the fascinate and have it available on his site?
(Does the Epic4G simply represent all CDMA phones, and the i9000 GSM? Don't see why that would matter anyway tho)
(I can't post a direct &#% link yet, but it's on his website.
This makes absolutely no sense!? He's got ROMs up there for just about every Android phone on the market, all to be used with ROM Manager.
I wanted to install it via Odin but naturally that would be too simple: it's a zip file and Odin won't recognize anything but tar and 2 others formats.
You can flash any .zip ROM with CWM. There's no need for ROM Manager. BTW, you can post a link if you uncheck "parse links in text automatically."
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But if that's the case, why does Koushik make a ROM for the fascinate and have it available on his site?
(Does the Epic4G simply represent all CDMA phones, and the i9000 GSM? Don't see why that would matter anyway tho)
(I can't post a direct &#% link yet, but it's on his website.
This makes absolutely no sense!? He's got ROMs up there for just about every Android phone on the market, all to be used with ROM Manager.
I wanted to install it via Odin but naturally that would be too simple: it's a zip file and Odin won't recognize anything but tar and 2 others formats.
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all you need to do is boot into cwm recovery via the power menu and flash away. the problem with rom manager on the fascinate is getting into the right recovery...causes more problems than its worth on this device. make sense yet? probably not since you have not been down this road yet, but many of us have. so take the advice given or dont and learn the hard way.
Honestly, I am trying to take the advice given but not all of it fit my situation.
I'm definitely something of a noob to Android (Not to linux or IT though). I've had my phone for all of a month and rooted it only days ago.
It's all starting to come together, finally. It's tricky for a noob because there are so many different versions of the phone hardware, versions of Android, this or that kernel that only works with these ROMs, old/newer versions of those, old posts and advice, newer posts with adjusted advice.. etc.. It's been a week long crash course!
Anyhoo, I couldn't flash/upgrade CWM because it didn't stick from the original Odin install. When I rebooted, I'd always return to the stock <3e> recovery. Even after two more installs of CWM via Odin.
I used the cwm-recovery-all.tar in your guide, Droidstyle. (great job BTW)
I followed the directions in Section 6 to the letter. I even printed it out and highlighted key sections.
So you see, I was in a catch-22; I needed CWM to flash CWM? Odin was my only option at that point.
Then I read on another thread here about renaming the /system/recovery-from-boot.p script, and installing CWM once more.
That worked, so now I can finally boot into CWM recovery like a happy man. (I also tried a more specific version of CWM for good measure: cwm4-bml-i500.tar, not really sure if that made a difference)
So I made my first real nandroid backup last night.
Next on my list is a new kernel. Still deciding between KGB, lean, and whatever else is out there.
I still don't get the whole mess with ROM Manager though. I agree with you, DS, I just don't get why he'd have zips for every phone under the sun but his own app doesn't seem to allow them to be used. It's bizarre. The latest reviews on the market are not flattering either.
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It's tricky for a noob because there are so many different versions of the phone hardware
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You are on the Samsung Fascinate. If it is Verizon then it is model number i500. If it doesnt say Fascinate or i500 it isn't for your device and you don't need to worry about it. If you flash something that isn't stated as being for the i500 or VERIZON Fascinate then you will have a lovely new temporary paper weight.
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Anyhoo, I couldn't flash/upgrade CWM because it didn't stick from the original Odin install. When I rebooted, I'd always return to the stock <3e> recovery. Even after two more installs of CWM via Odin.
I used the cwm-recovery-all.tar in your guide, Droidstyle. (great job BTW)
I followed the directions in Section 6 to the letter. I even printed it out and highlighted key sections.
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You couldn't have followed it to the letter because it is a well known fact that if you boot up with a stock kernel still flashed it will replace your recovery. Droidstyle certainly knows this and certainly accounted for it in his guide. So, you need to either boot directly into CWM or flash a non-stock kernel prior to rebooting the phone.
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Then I read on another thread here about renaming the /system/recovery-from-boot.p script, and installing CWM once more.
That worked, so now I can finally boot into CWM recovery like a happy man. (I also tried a more specific version of CWM for good measure: cwm4-bml-i500.tar, not really sure if that made a difference)
So I made my first real nandroid backup last night.
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Yeah it sounds like that will work...not the most elegant way to take care of it...but it sounds like it would be okay.
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Next on my list is a new kernel. Still deciding between KGB, lean, and whatever else is out there.
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We already talked about the kernel situation. Consider Geewiz if you want something thats all-in-one and pretty much impossible to mess up. KGB is good. Leankernel always gave me the best battery life but YMMV.
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I still don't get the whole mess with ROM Manager though. I agree with you, DS, I just don't get why he'd have zips for every phone under the sun but his own app doesn't seem to allow them to be used. It's bizarre. The latest reviews on the market are not flattering either.
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He showed no interest in helping the devs here get ROM manager working (again) on the phone. If you gave him money, blame him for not providing the support and resources to get it working on this phone. Some people are umm...."lacking in people skills."
Oh, and as great as the Gingerbread ROMs are...the mtd ICS roms blow them out of the water
OK so it started with having a well balanced stock rooted 4.0.1
the main reason i root is for tethering
i had a carrier update that i was hoping was 4.1 cuz i am dying for google now
ran that but got stuck in the boot (as in not a boot loop but just infinite boot)
i would simply like to have my phone back on a stock rooted ROM* preferably ICS
i attempted "solutions" i found on here for using odin to "plop" a stock rooted ROM* on there but it turned out to be Gingerbread -_-
so i am currently dealing with that and what appears to be a stock Bootloader*
*i barely understand all these terms so please let me know i love to learn and i just cant wrap my head around all of it but any tips would be great. as far as i understand the boot loader is like the boot menu on a computer in the bios and is accessed when holding down all three hard buttons and gives you the selection menu, and the ROM is like the OS, and i think flashing is whenever you use odin to install the ROM instead of the boot loader for some reason.
I apologise for the noobieness but this is like the only way i learn...from direct Q&A :/
thank you in advanced
First off, download:
UCLE5 ICS- This is the stock AT&T GS2 ICS and is already rooted.
Fire up Odin, and:
Code:
Put UCLE5_Stock_Rooted.tar in the PDA slot in Odin.
Reboot your phone.
Oh and, a ROM is sort of a firmware that runs atop a kernel. Usually ROMs and kernels are put in ZIP files for flashing via ClockworkMod Recovery, but in specific cases (such as with Samsung), you can flash them via Odin or Heimdall in .tar formats.
Basically an Android phone needs both a ROM and kernel in order to run. From my very limited knowledge, a kernel is what controls overclocking and other processor related tasks. It also can help define the keylayouts for this particular device. It also contains the system recovery. A ROM holds all the system framework files that arguably makes the phone what it is to the average user. There are many ROMs that are available, such as Touchwiz (Stock/Modded Samsung), AOSP (Stock/Modded Android), Miui (Based off of either Samsung or AOSP, sort of it's own thing).
EDIT: Also, don't be sorry! Feel free to ask questions (as long as you've searched already), and remember that everyone starts somewhere.
We understand that you're new but please attempt to search your problem. Also, 4.0.1 does not and has never existed for our device so I don't know where you got that. Everything else though is easily found on Google, I don't buy that "I need spoonfeeding" line for a second.
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PM me and I can give you further instructions if you still can't figure it out.
Hey thanks for your response!
I haven't had the time to try it out just yet (super busy lately) but as soon as i get the chance i will leave a reply as to how it goes.
Also thanks for the explanation. That really helps. I have always wanted to get more into the android field to learn more about the devices i'm using every day.
Ps: The reason for the apologetic sorry is to stand as a polite understanding tone from people who frequent the forums and discourage new posts while assuming no research has been done. i have searched for a good two hours but finding something relevant enough that i would be comfortable progressing through is very difficult and as i mentioned earlier i do learn better from direct Q&A. Thank you for understanding.
~Killubear
estabien said:
First off, download:
UCLE5 ICS- This is the stock AT&T GS2 ICS and is already rooted.
Fire up Odin, and:
Code:
Put UCLE5_Stock_Rooted.tar in the PDA slot in Odin.
Reboot your phone.
Oh and, a ROM is sort of a firmware that runs atop a kernel. Usually ROMs and kernels are put in ZIP files for flashing via ClockworkMod Recovery, but in specific cases (such as with Samsung), you can flash them via Odin or Heimdall in .tar formats.
Basically an Android phone needs both a ROM and kernel in order to run. From my very limited knowledge, a kernel is what controls overclocking and other processor related tasks. It also can help define the keylayouts for this particular device. It also contains the system recovery. A ROM holds all the system framework files that arguably makes the phone what it is to the average user. There are many ROMs that are available, such as Touchwiz (Stock/Modded Samsung), AOSP (Stock/Modded Android), Miui (Based off of either Samsung or AOSP, sort of it's own thing).
EDIT: Also, don't be sorry! Feel free to ask questions (as long as you've searched already), and remember that everyone starts somewhere.
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Hello everyone.
As the title says I recently got my hands on a Samsung Vibrant. I have it from a friend who just left the apartment we lived in together for 5 months as she didn't need it anymore. It currently has a MIUI ROM on it and I'd like to change it to sada23's unofficial CM 11.0
The problem is however that my only previous experience with flashing ROM was with a Samsung Galaxy Chat when I slapped Jelly Bean on it which was only released in a few countries. So I went right ahead but found the amount of things I have to do overwhelming compared to when I just used ODIN on the old phone.
I'm trying to tell what the current status is of the phone and this is what I've been able to come up with so far. (also after googling what everything is and does lol)
- MIUI present so custom ROM install definitely possible
- When I booted into recovery mode I saw it has: "Semaphore CWM Recovery v6.0.1.9" (which I presume is outdated)
- BY default the MIUI ROM apparently has a superuser app (which lead me to think that the device is rooted), however everytime I try to use an app that requires root I encounter errors.
I just did a backup using the recovery mode with semaphore cause I saw this is usually a first step in all the guides I've read. However from here on out I am completely clueless on what to do because all the guides were so different from eachother and I have a feeling my phone is in a vague situation. (root/not rooted?)
So I was hoping someone here could point me into the right direction and help me get to CM from MIUI. Thank you in advance.
I'll be following this thread.. kinda in a similar situation. Although a bit worse. I had an old vibrant in a drawer from years back in mint condish!.. last thing I did was root and install recovery. Unfortunately I'm a stooge and without thinking threw a 4.4 rom zip on the phone.. booted to recovery and cleaned and tried to flash.. bottom line i'm in a bootloop now... and I gave up when odin wasn't detecting the phone.. I"ll figure that out eventually, but it would be great to just have a 4.4 Odin tar for a quick and painless install... or at least a tar from a 4.0 with root and recovery to make the 4.4 upgrade easy.
Also would be interested in knowing if the 4.4 roms work well.. Gps will be most important to me since I plan to use this as my jogging phone.
alrighty.. let's get this party started!
Edit - I think the best thing for you to do is odin back to stock then root install custom bootloader and then flash your new rom, I've heard that you can go straight to kk from stock but the guy who posted above me has problems because of that so I would try flashing an ICS ROM for the recovery first, and don't forget to make a nandroid backup
You can find all the files and programs you'll ever need here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1982728 in NOOB_IN_NEED 'S ref thread
Hope I was of some help if I was hit the thanks button
sent from the depths of paradise - Jamaica
using SGH-T959
ROM: unofficial CM11 4.4.4 by sada
Kernel: stock
I'm trying really hard to do this without being dopey. I want to get my Galaxy Tab 10.1 P7510 to slim down and speed up, so I want to root and apply a new ROM. This much I'm pretty sure of. I understand that I need to replace the recovery code, which will allow me to replace the stock ROM with a modded ROM. (How am I doing?). I think I need Odin running on my PC to load the new recovery. I understand booting into recovery mode (I think). I've read about putting the new ROM on my device and rebooting into it. I believe I then need to install google apps to get some of the basic stuff (like Play store) back on the device. I assume that is because they are not part of the modded ROMs? But... how the heck does one decide WHICH recovery, WHICH ROM, WHICH gapps and the right versions of each? I'm going around and around. I'm willing to do the research, but I'm not even clear on the high-level process and steps, let alone the details, finer points. I'm a retired app developer (client server, Oracle, Powerbuilder) so I have some idea of what I'm doing. Just some. Thanks in advance if anyone cares to help.
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I'm trying really hard to do this without being dopey. I want to get my Galaxy Tab 10.1 P7510 to slim down and speed up, so I want to root and apply a new ROM. This much I'm pretty sure of. I understand that I need to replace the recovery code, which will allow me to replace the stock ROM with a modded ROM. (How am I doing?). I think I need Odin running on my PC to load the new recovery. I understand booting into recovery mode (I think). I've read about putting the new ROM on my device and rebooting into it. I believe I then need to install google apps to get some of the basic stuff (like Play store) back on the device. I assume that is because they are not part of the modded ROMs? But... how the heck does one decide WHICH recovery, WHICH ROM, WHICH gapps and the right versions of each? I'm going around and around. I'm willing to do the research, but I'm not even clear on the high-level process and steps, let alone the details, finer points. I'm a retired app developer (client server, Oracle, Powerbuilder) so I have some idea of what I'm doing. Just some. Thanks in advance if anyone cares to help.
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A custom ROM can be installed via custom recovery or Odin, so you don't really need a custom recovery before installing it, however it is higly advised.
To say it all, you don't even need root to flash a custom recovery. Some custom recovery like CM also come already rooted.
It is because they are not part of the custom ROM, since including gapps source code would take up more space and some other issues. Regarding the fact about which recovery and ROM to choose... the fact that there is a lot of them doesn't mean that they are very different. Some are based on the source code of another and just add little features that one must be looking for in order to be interested. Generally, TWRP and CWM are the ones most documented. With a simple google comparision research you should be able to decide. Custom ROMs are also based on two vastly documentet projrcts: CM and AOSP. Start with the regular ones, try them both, stock with one if you don't need anything else or start looking around among the forks.
However, I started using custom ROMs with an objective: build source code. For this scope, I decided to use CM for it's huge documentation, since I was looking for a kernel that did one particolar thing, but there wasn't one so I did it on my own. Just to say, I don't know how it feels like to be in decisive about what ROM to pick up.
Ciuffy's SM-G900F CM 12.1 spirit hath marked this way.