Little by little, Android is becoming iOS. Starting to get very annoyed with the limitations in recent updates. First we get permalocked if we accepted 4.3 OTA update. Now I found out in 4.4, Google has prevented write access to external storage?! And there's no way around it without root? SIGH. Not not only can I not root my phone, but I can't even write to my SD card without plugging it into my PC? What's next, take away our widgets and ability to change launcher/interface? What happened to the old philosophy of Android? It's OUR devices and we should be able to do what we damn well please with them.
I and many others share your frustration!!
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Little by little, Android is becoming iOS. Starting to get very annoyed with the limitations in recent updates. First we get permalocked if we accepted 4.3 OTA update. Now I found out in 4.4, Google has prevented write access to external storage?! And there's no way around it without root? SIGH. Not not only can I not root my phone, but I can't even write to my SD card without plugging it into my PC? What's next, take away our widgets and ability to change launcher/interface? What happened to the old philosophy of Android? It's OUR devices and we should be able to do what we damn well please with them.
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Knox is next. Google said to be incorporating it in future builds..so yep..not getting any better
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ya and with 4.4 theres this icon of a shield that pops up daily for security updates i dont want them dont want anything else
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what we need is a way to erase everything off the phone bootloader included and start fresh
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ya and with 4.4 theres this icon of a shield that pops up daily for security updates i dont want them dont want anything else
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what we need is a way to erase everything off the phone bootloader included and start fresh
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That's not good enough. Sure for devices like the Note 2 it would allow a locked phone to become unlocked at any time. But what about devices that never got unlocked like the Note 3 and other future devices? This doesn't resolve their situations.
Also, yes I agree with you OP. I refuse to "upgrade" from this phone to anything else any time soon considering the way these phones are turning into locked up garbage. I'm so grateful for all the work modders and hackers managed to do with this device which allows me to run something as amazing as Cyanogenmod 11 right now. I saw what the stock 4.3+ ROM's look like, yuck. Imagining being stuck with that "forever" is like a nightmare only I'm awake.
Anyways there really is no better alternative to Android at the moment or foreseeable future. If you want a smartphone with even a hint of customizability then Android's your only option.
You are not seeing the big picture. If you want phones that you can hack away at and are not secure there are plenty out there. Verizon and AT&T teaming up with Samsung have gone after large military and commercial contracts with these phones. Therefore they have made efforts to make them as secure as possible. You can thank all the hackers in the world pulling email and banking information off your phones for that. And you probably can throw in thanks for the locked bootloader to all those that returned their bricked phones under warranty.
As I said, you have choices, Nexus, HTC, developer's editions....etc. You just need to do a little research before buying.
Agreed for many of the UI changes. But I understand. They have to appeal to Ma and Pa Kettle.
Hopefully at some point they will embrace custom ROMs with a special model like Linkysy did with their L model. But I'm guessing not.
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You are not seeing the big picture. If you want phones that you can hack away at and are not secure there are plenty out there. Verizon and AT&T teaming up with Samsung have gone after large military and commercial contracts with these phones. Therefore they have made efforts to make them as secure as possible. You can thank all the hackers in the world pulling email and banking information off your phones for that. And you probably can throw in thanks for the locked bootloader to all those that returned their bricked phones under warranty.
As I said, you have choices, Nexus, HTC, developer's editions....etc. You just need to do a little research before buying.
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Well said! This is why I'm leaving smasung and will be researching a diff phone for my next purchase/upgrade. LG G3 or HTC...not sure yet...
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Well said! This is why I'm leaving smasung and will be researching a diff phone for my next purchase/upgrade. LG G3 or HTC...not sure yet...
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I went to the HTC M8 and I hated HTC..it is a freaking fast phone!!! Unlocking and rooting was super easy! Won't have to worry about Knox until they upgrade it to L.
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I went to the HTC M8 and I hated HTC..it is a freaking fast phone!!! Unlocking and rooting was super easy! Won't have to worry about Knox until they upgrade it to L.
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Loved the look of that phone and I am not a HTC fan, but that phone looked good.. Contract is not up until next year and I think a move to a different carrier and phone manufacturer is in my future.. Just not sure what yet
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Loved the look of that phone and I am not a HTC fan, but that phone looked good.. Contract is not up until next year and I think a move to a different carrier and phone manufacturer is in my future.. Just not sure what yet
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I always liked the sense interface compared to TW, I've got till Jan, then I'm making a change. keep us posted on your choice L18, would love to run your ROMs!
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Little by little, Android is becoming iOS. Starting to get very annoyed with the limitations in recent updates. First we get permalocked if we accepted 4.3 OTA update. Now I found out in 4.4, Google has prevented write access to external storage?! And there's no way around it without root? SIGH. Not not only can I not root my phone, but I can't even write to my SD card without plugging it into my PC? What's next, take away our widgets and ability to change launcher/interface? What happened to the old philosophy of Android? It's OUR devices and we should be able to do what we damn well please with them.
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A fix is in the works.
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You are not seeing the big picture. If you want phones that you can hack away at and are not secure there are plenty out there. Verizon and AT&T teaming up with Samsung have gone after large military and commercial contracts with these phones. Therefore they have made efforts to make them as secure as possible. You can thank all the hackers in the world pulling email and banking information off your phones for that. And you probably can throw in thanks for the locked bootloader to all those that returned their bricked phones under warranty.
As I said, you have choices, Nexus, HTC, developer's editions....etc. You just need to do a little research before buying.
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None of the alternatives have the S-pen or any analogous stylus, which I regard as essential.
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None of the alternatives have the S-pen or any analogous stylus, which I regard as essential.
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Then perhaps a carrier that does not lock bootloader like Sprint or T-Mobile?
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Then perhaps a carrier that does not lock bootloader like Sprint or T-Mobile?
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Assuming I lived and traveled exclusively in areas where one of those carriers had a decent signal, that could be a good approach. Unfortunately that's not the case.
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Hello all, I'm currently using a Nexus One on T-Mo but am probably going to jump back to Sprint here soon. I had been looking to get the Evo3D, but fear that it's going to be locked down as the Thuderbolt was. I understand you guy were able to gain root on the Thunderbolt recently, but only because you got an engineering something or other, I don't remember exactly. My question here is, what would the chances have been of the phone being rooted the normal brute force way. Would we have been looking at possibly months or more, or was it just a matter of days. I ask cause if the Evo3D is going to be locked down and may take months or more to crack, I may just go with the Nexus S for now.
Well it looks like HTCs phones are going to be locked up tight. Not really sure about the EVO3D but I wouldn't be surprised if it had a locked bootloader etc.
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Well it looks like HTCs phones are going to be locked up tight. Not really sure about the EVO3D but I wouldn't be surprised if it had a locked bootloader etc.
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Yeah... HTC makes me sad all day for locking their bootloaders, samsung is looking more and more attractive. Sammy's phones don't even put up a fight, sometimes getting root before they're even released to general public
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Yeah... HTC makes me sad all day for locking their bootloaders, samsung is looking more and more attractive. Sammy's phones don't even put up a fight, sometimes getting root before they're even released to general public
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Cause the TB wasn't rooted before it came out right?
Samsung is looking attractive just because they don't lock their bootloaders? What kind of logic is that? Look at the Galaxy series, those phones were crap, full of lag, horrible GPS, etc.
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Yes and our GPS works flawlessly
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Mine sure does. A thousand times better than my Facinate did.
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Cause the TB wasn't rooted before it came out right?
Samsung is looking attractive just because they don't lock their bootloaders? What kind of logic is that? Look at the Galaxy series, those phones were crap, full of lag, horrible GPS, etc.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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I was just referring to the first "Galaxy" set that came out. The S 4G, S II, and their releases this year have been stellar. But neither of those are on VZW . I would snatch up the SII in a second if it was on VZW.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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I'm in the same boat. I'm not going to buy a phone that's locked up tight. HTC better learn real quick that there are a lot of people like this. I was going to buy a honeycomb tablet if they came out with one because based on their phones I figured it would be pretty open. Now it looks like I'll have to go elsewhere. Maybe since a tablet won't be tied to a carrier they'll be more relaxed. I hope anyway...
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I'm in the same boat. I'm not going to buy a phone that's locked up tight. HTC better learn real quick that there are a lot of people like this. I was going to buy a honeycomb tablet if they came out with one because based on their phones I figured it would be pretty open. Now it looks like I'll have to go elsewhere. Maybe since a tablet won't be tied to a carrier they'll be more relaxed. I hope anyway...
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I hear you. Some company will eventually embrace modders and devs, I just wanted it to be HTC. Oh well, sad day
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It seems we've gone a bit off topic. I have been reading all the comments and have learned that Sammy isn't doing what HTC is starting to do with locking their bootloaders, something I didn't know before this thread, good to know. But the question I presented hasn't really been answered yet. How long, rough gestimation, would it take to crack the bootloader of the new phones HTC is coming out with. Are we talking weeks or months or more. I know this a question that can't be easily answered with a specific answer, but I'm looking more for how likely they are to be cracked in a timely manner. I'm not a hacker, cracker or code breaker so I really don't even know where to begin with trying to answer this question, hence why I put it forth here, on the forum of a phone that was locked and got unlocked hoping a dev could give me some info on weather getting the forthcoming Evo3D is a good idea for someone who want's to root the phone. I am however leaning back towards the Nexus s 4G because of this thread, but since money won't allow that at the moment, I'm exploring my options until the time I can afford a new phone.
The thunderbolt was rooted becuase we reverted to an older leaked rom which allowed us to bypass the whole signed bootloader. (I think) You might want to look into the incredible s which was released several months ago and has yet to me cracked. The security measures taken to lock down the G2 are not the same as the ones used on newer HTC devices. I don't think we'll be seeing any permanent root access HTC in a long time. Months at the very least.
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The thunderbolt was rooted becuase we reverted to an older leaked rom which allowed us to bypass the whole signed bootloader. (I think) You might want to look into the incredible s which was released several months ago and has yet to me cracked. The security measures taken to lock down the G2 are not the same as the ones used on newer HTC devices. I don't think we'll be seeing any permanent root access HTC in a long time. Months at the very least.
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Thank you, that was exactly what I was looking for. Sad news indeed. I'm guessing the Nexus S 4G is where I'm headed then, unless a Galaxy S 2 is slated to come out on sprint anytime soon that is. I'd really like to get a root-able, dual core, high resolution, bad ass phone if I'm going to be upgrading from my N1.
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Thank you, that was exactly what I was looking for. Sad news indeed. I'm guessing the Nexus S 4G is where I'm headed then, unless a Galaxy S 2 is slated to come out on sprint anytime soon that is. I'd really like to get a root-able, dual core, high resolution, bad ass phone if I'm going to be upgrading from my N1.
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I've been reading around about this (disappointing) news of HTC's lockdown using signed bootloaders, etc. and from what I have read, it seems like the crackers have indicated they are going to have a helluva time. A few tweets from jcase's twiiter page (whose opinions I personally value, YMMV):
If you want root, don't buy an yet to be rooted phone
[email protected] signed recovery, signed kernel, signed hboot, and write protection. won't buy [email protected] devices like that
HTC now MORE dev unfriendly than Motorola.
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Looks pretty dreary for new HTC phones.
Droid, which has signed bootloader, is still locked, and it's pretty long on the market. It's a matter of years, if not eternity. It's f***ing hard to crack those keys.
What I don't understand is why HTC is doing this. You might think that it's the carriers pressuring them, but if Sammy, Sony Erricson, and Moto are or are soon going to be releasing phone without locked bootloaders, why does HTC feel the need to start now when they haven't in the past?
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What I don't understand is why HTC is doing this. You might think that it's the carriers pressuring them, but if Sammy, Sony Erricson, and Moto are or are soon going to be releasing phone without locked bootloaders, why does HTC feel the need to start now when they haven't in the past?
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It's a pretty simple answer. Money.
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It's a pretty simple answer. Money.
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How does a locked bootloader equal money?
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How does a locked bootloader equal money?
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Easy, keeps people using htc products, and makes us pay for tethering. Also makes sure that they know what ruu you're using.... Sucks
Edit: or whatever manufacturer made your device
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Easy, keeps people using htc products
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How
and makes us pay for tethering.
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The carriers have already shown that they can detect unofficial tethering
Also makes sure that they know what ruu you're using
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Why does it matter?
I do not currently have a solution, just posting my question/idea (that i'm sure someone thought of already but just in case).
Has anyone looked into trying to disable whatever it is that's causing our temp root to stop working after 5 minutes.
I disabled some of the automatic system services that start up, and was able to with the temp root method. Using apps such as "Autostarts (paid)" and "Gemini App Manager" I disabled all the VZW bloat and then some, but still lose root shortly after applying the process. I was wondering if it's possible to find a process (if that's what's causing us to lose root) to disable to allow perm root?
There are a lot of auto-start processes, though I did disable a lot of them, I'm not sure what they all do so I was just guessing. I'm not trying to brick my phone, so if it's not possible to get perm root this way, I'd like to know if I'm wasting my time . If any devs have knowledge or experience with this please feel free to chime in . Thank you.
Not sure about all that, but I was wondering about that whole HTC sponsored root process... whatever happened with that? They promised an official way to root their phones not long back.
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Not sure about all that, but I was wondering about that whole HTC sponsored root process... whatever happened with that? They promised an official way to root their phones not long back.
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They did, but the carrier has the final say. Verizon, wanting to be in control of everything, obviously said no.
I am sure there is a way to game the system and get it working... Internally these phones are basically the same when they use the same SOC.
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I am sure there is a way to game the system and get it working... Internally these phones are basically the same when they use the same SOC.
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True but when htc patches a know exploit, a new one needs to be found. It's takes much skill and time to accomplish that LOL....so
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True... tricking the unlocker to think a phone is a different model is the hard part. Probably best to just hack in anyway.
Wish HTC would be tricky and leave a deliberate backdoor for us with a wink followed by inattentive gaze. Wishful thinking I know...
Of course for security reasons said door would need to be made so that physical access to the device and a computer would be required. Thats the hard bit right there.
As it stands I will probably be picking one of these up on the Amazon penny sale. Unless I choose to go sprint and then get the Galaxy S 2... (more of a fan of HTC devices though so who knows) Dropping t-mobile possibly... unless they give me a darn good reason not to.
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True... tricking the unlocker to think a phone is a different model is the hard part. Probably best to just hack in anyway.
Wish HTC would be tricky and leave a deliberate backdoor for us with a wink followed by inattentive gaze. Wishful thinking I know...
Of course for security reasons said door would need to be made so that physical access to the device and a computer would be required. Thats the hard bit right there.
As it stands I will probably be picking one of these up on the Amazon penny sale. Unless I choose to go sprint and then get the Galaxy S 2... (more of a fan of HTC devices though so who knows) Dropping t-mobile possibly... unless they give me a darn good reason not to.
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Haha, I've often wondered that too. If HTC really is trying to be DEV friendly, but they have to pander to Verizon as well, why keep patching the holes? Why not just leave a hidden backdoor that's not too easy to find, but that a skilled DEV would know where to look?
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Haha, I've often wondered that too. If HTC really is trying to be DEV friendly, but they have to pander to Verizon as well, why keep patching the holes? Why not just leave a hidden backdoor that's not too easy to find, but that a skilled DEV would know where to look?
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So they don't get sued by Verizon. Also they would be losing one of the major carriers of their phones.
There is always a way in, look how many people have bootlegged version of everything.
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So they don't get sued by Verizon. Also they would be losing one of the major carriers of their phones.
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I highly doubt Verizon would have any clue about anything to do with where the code is placed to "patch" a bootloader. Their degree of any form of coding expertise when it comes to these things seems minimal at best.
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So they don't get sued by Verizon. Also they would be losing one of the major carriers of their phones.
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While this is probably true, I also think that if Verizon can sue HTC for making their bottloaders easy to unlock, I should be allowed to sue Verizon for loading my phone up with bloatware and crap apps that I don't need or want and can't remove...
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While this is probably true, I also think that if Verizon can sue HTC for making their bottloaders easy to unlock, I should be allowed to sue Verizon for loading my phone up with bloatware and crap apps that I don't need or want and can't remove...
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I wonder if there's potential for a class action suit for stuff like this. Perhaps if some of the software could be shown to compromise phone security or privacy?
I just hope someone comes up with something soon. An unrooted phone is so worthless I feel. Can't wait to get rid of the bloat ware and customize the phone the way I truly want it.
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Practice patience. It simply takes time and the phone has only been out for a week.
But they already unlocked the Galaxy Nexus...... Lol
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Go get one.haha
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i think me, like many others, are checking these forums frequently to see if any updates or news to the roms for HDX, especially since the last waves of rooting happening all the way to newest OTA update, however the heat has seemingly died off with the hopes of updates, and that glimmer of hope with bootloader unlock that we all waiting for. I understand as long as this doesn't happen we are still limited to the Amazon kernel.
im not a developer but a savvy user like many others so im in no position to measure the difficulty of creating updates for the device, however with the floodgate opened before i was really hoping for lots of new roms and updates to existing, coupled with powerful hardware at cheap prices, and what seems to be wide audience, but didnt seem to be the case.
does anyone think there's any hope left for this device? should we just jump on to Tegra K1 bandwagon soon?
Last I saw the had unlocked the boot loader but was working more kinks and gonna charge for it. That was like 3xweeks or more ago. Who knows.
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Last I saw the had unlocked the boot loader but was working more kinks and gonna charge for it. That was like 3xweeks or more ago. Who knows.
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Yeah, that's what I last saw too. I think they're charging because they don't want Amazon to find out or something.
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Yeah, that's what I last saw too. I think they're charging because they don't want Amazon to find out or something.
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Yeah, not only does it delay Amazon's ability to patch the hole, but it also helps the developers of the exploit earn the money they deserve. I'm just currently concerned after that argument in the fire phone thread they may not be releasing the exploit due to legal reasons, which is bothersome.
I don't know but it really sucks and I also know this thread is not development related. As far as being in the development section I mean.
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Yeah, that's what I last saw too. I think they're charging because they don't want Amazon to find out or something.
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im sorry but thats a sorry excuse. theyre gonna charge $25 so that a multi billion dollar company cant find out? if it slows them down itll slow them down for a couple of hours and thats it.
lets be realist... theyre charging so that they can profit. theres nothing wrong with that and i dont have a problem with it but its a lil insulting if they expect us to believe that
I check every couple of weeks or so, but honestly just running the xpose framework module makes me happy. The only thing I was missing was the play store, and it allows me to have that. The Fire user interface has actually grown on me.
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Yeah, not only does it delay Amazon's ability to patch the hole, but it also helps the developers of the exploit earn the money they deserve. I'm just currently concerned after that argument in the fire phone thread they may not be releasing the exploit due to legal reasons, which is bothersome.
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The argument in that thread about whether bootloader unlocking is legal in the US or not is not even touching on the real issue. First, bootloader unlocking IS legal. Second, what is not legal though is hacking a device put out by a company and then charging other people and making money off of your exploit. And even if it were legal, it is against XDA TOS for members to charge for things like ROMs, kernel, bootloader unlock, etc. We can donate sure, but specifically charging people for access is a no-no.
Even still, Id pay for it. I really want to see some real development going on for this tablet. The Thor and Appolo gapps ROMs are great, but it would be nice to have a true AOSP build working.
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The argument in that thread about whether bootloader unlocking is legal in the US or not is not even touching on the real issue. First, bootloader unlocking IS legal. Second, what is not legal though is hacking a device put out by a company and then charging other people and making money off of your exploit. And even if it were legal, it is against XDA TOS for members to charge for things like ROMs, kernel, bootloader unlock, etc. We can donate sure, but specifically charging people for access is a no-no.
Even still, Id pay for it. I really want to see some real development going on for this tablet. The Thor and Appolo gapps ROMs are great, but it would be nice to have a true AOSP build working.
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Are you kidding? Lol working fastboot and files would make alot of ppl happy right now.
I check everyday. Lol
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I check everyday. Lol
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My HDX is still in the mail and I check here everyday. I hope the unlock sees the light of day before the HDX becomes obsolete eventually.
i dont have high hopes at this rate, this device target audience is opposite of most android users in the sense they're not the type to tinker with the software
its not like a Nexus device where most of the users going for it are expected with rooting and roms, i cant blame them, even the rooting process and safestraping rom slots is not common for android devices
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I check everyday. Lol
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Same here
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I check everyday. Lol
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This this device has turned me into a troll something horrible(@least three times a day). But at least I try to stay helpful when I'm here .sometimes the attitude pops out from the,dangled just before me rage. .. Got to love to hate this sh*t .. Been circling this carcass of a device for a months like a freaking vulture..waiting.. waiting waiting ....out of ten tablets nhouse i maintain 4 are hdx ...and currently no bricks lol
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stapler85 said:
i dont have high hopes at this rate, this device target audience is opposite of most android users in the sense they're not the type to tinker with the software
its not like a Nexus device where most of the users going for it are expected with rooting and roms, i cant blame them, even the rooting process and safestraping rom slots is not common for android devices
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I agree totally ,, and it also seems like this device is a favorite for parents to buy kids as convenient media babysitters and then the children think they need to come here and start modifying Bricking and crying ... It has been a bitter roller coaster ride I just want my unlock and fastboot stuff so I can unlock, archive the rest,and be on the next device. Uhg and I am sorry but this forum has given me fantasies such as hoping the next update will come with a choke Bart emoji on my keyboard;-p lmao only because of the face palming is starting to leave a mark ; (
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Are you kidding? Lol working fastboot and files would make alot of ppl happy right now.
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Someone was able to get fastboot working on Linux if your interested in taking a look at it in this thread here.
Apparently
shimp208 said:
Someone was able to get fastboot working on Linux if your interested in taking a look at it in this thread here.
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Your idea of working in my idea of working or two different things nobody has been able repair a brick device via our fastboot , I mean flash any files system files kernels or what ever as far as I know nothing has worked for this is to what I am referring .
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Your idea of working in my idea of working or two different things nobody has been able repair a brick device via our fastboot , I mean flash any files system files kernels or what ever as far as I know nothing has worked for this is to what I am referring .
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fyi, once unlocked, the normal fastboot behavior works.
uhg
Hashcode said:
fyi, once unlocked, the normal fastboot behavior works.
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HASHCODE
You sir, are a meanie and a tease. LMAO, no but really that is the only reason I've been trolling these threads since Christmas.. Since then I have bought two more... so how about some hot salt in the wound then tell us about your KitKat on your HDX buahahahah
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fyi, once unlocked, the normal fastboot behavior works.
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Hi hashcode. Any info you can feed us would be appreciAted. I understand things are hush hush for numerous reasons but people here are starting to lose interest in our device and the longer we wait for a unlock the more talent we lose and, undoubtedly, potential donaters.
Your teasing and previous posts show u have some inside knowledge of the unlock. Any info would be great but specificAlly what is the snag the devs have run into? And I know it's rude to ask but how much longer are we lookin at for release?
I know u dint owe us anything but we thank u for ur support.
I'd really like to participate in today's Fire Sale (pun intended), but I'm not keen on getting a device that can't be unlocked. Decisions, decisions...
anthony2131 said:
Hey everyone, bootloader is finally almost done i will be posting thread shortly and will also be posting my perma root solution. I have a post on aicp/lollipop community on google
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I am in the final stages of coming out with a apk called PERMA root. It will root while also giving you the option to unlock bootloader. I am testing on two more devices before release. I want to leave nobody unhappy. Therefore any device you may have will work. As new phones are introduced it will only take a couple days to activate from my end. Please be patient because as you already know this is some hard work and long hour testing.
Tested devices: (list includes all carriers) (multiple devices in each listed brand tested to include s4 and s5) Lg, Samsumg, htc, and currently testing last of others. Thanks for the patience.
Be welcome to share accross XDA
[Root][/community][bootloader][/community]
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Until it's released and confirmed working, I'm extremely skeptical but time will tell I suppose.
zerocool79346 said:
Until it's released and confirmed working, I'm extremely skeptical but time will tell I suppose.
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I feel you but we can only hope.
zerocool79346 said:
Until it's released and confirmed working, I'm extremely skeptical but time will tell I suppose.
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Let me test it
thegamerdarkseid said:
I feel you but we can only hope.
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mmw68666 said:
Let me test it
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Not my software and I've got no control over its release, just found it in the S5 forum and figured most over here would want to see even if it is a longshot.
zerocool79346 said:
Not my software and I've got no control over its release, just found it in the S5 forum and figured most over here would want to see even if it is a longshot.
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Send me the link to the forum
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Send me the link to the forum
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2728051
Don't get excited people. That thread has become an all out flame war and I see warnings and/or bans coming instead of root.. Oh well... ?
is he saying that the app will be able to unlock the bootloader on the verizon retail version of the note 3? Can i have the link to that thread? Thanks.
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is he saying that the app will be able to unlock the bootloader on the verizon retail version of the note 3? Can i have the link to that thread? Thanks.
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He was claiming root and bootloader unlock. But instead of getting everyone riled up he probably should have made it a covert job and then "Bam" here you go. Kinda like when the Rezound got s-off. But the thread got way out of control and it's locked now until he can prove he has something substantial. If you'd like to check it out see the first post in this thread and go to original post quote.
While I love the xda community and have been along time member and highly appreciative of the devs.
I'm just about ready to toss this phone in the garbage.
I miss the days of flashing my phone every week to the latest and greatest when I had my original galaxy note for 2 years.
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Wow really your going to get frustrated and throw out a phone that costs 400-700$ because you can't flash roms endlessly yeah i get tw sucks and I want to have better options for roms but even if I lost root I would not throw out my note 3.
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Wow really your going to get frustrated and throw out a phone that costs 400-700$ because you can't flash roms endlessly yeah i get tw sucks and I want to have better options for roms but even if I lost root I would not throw out my note 3.
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I feel the same way about my galaxy bloat 3. First and formost i need a phone that works as a phone. This phone has the worst service and software out of any phone i've owned. As far as the sortware goes i thought i would be able to fix it with cm11 but thanks to verizon and me not doing my home work a head of time i'm stuck with the ****tiest phone i've ever owned. I can't wait for july to replace it with a motorola product.
I must be getting old. I don't see a problem with the stock note 3 and the bloat. Yeah the signal could be better but that is on Samsung more than Verizon. And yes Verizon could shorten the approval process for updates and Samsung could drop tw and put out updates in line with the nexus line as all manufactures should the ui should be a app on the app store and be little more than a launcher for people to choose to use if they want.
Not going to happen. If your on big red you likely don't have a choice or it is the best service in your area or your grandfathered into unlimited. The Samsung phones were the only ones with 2 features I am unable to give up battery that is removable and sd card.
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Wow really your going to get frustrated and throw out a phone that costs 400-700$ because you can't flash roms endlessly yeah i get tw sucks and I want to have better options for roms but even if I lost root I would not throw out my note 3.
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If this phone doesn't end up with Lollipop that's rootable or an unlocked bootloader before February, I'm throwing mine at my Verizon Rep's face and picking up a Note 4. We bought Note 3's for only two reasons. The first reason was that the other Note's were easy to root and flash to CM and the second reason was because of the S-Pen. At this point I would take a loss on the S-Pen functionality just to be rid of all of the Samsung Bloat on my phones.
Wow. sounds like you all should be buying an international variant. trashing you phone or going to a N4 with a locked bootloader is not going to solve your problem. I am pleased with my Rooted N3 and have no issues and will stay with Samsung for a while. Root is nice but it's not going to cause me to put my phone in the trash, there are other things in life that are far more important
Yeah way to stick it to Samsung by throwing out last quarters model and buying the brand new one.
I see both sides, though we didn't have ten or fifteen roms to flash, this phone was not a waste at all. It's a solid phone for my use. But flashing roms has become a hobby and I don't like not doing that either. So even though most of the developers are going to the Nexus. I just don't like having no SD or removable battery either. And how are they handling any replacements for a phone currently not carried by Big Red? May not be the place for me to ask that but I'm curious.
You might want to check out the Note 4 forum for scripts that can disable a ton of the bloatware without root. I am still rocking rooted MJE so I can't test it with kitkat. It supposedly will run on most android phones. Just wanted to mention a potential solution until root achieved.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2972263
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If this phone doesn't end up with Lollipop that's rootable or an unlocked bootloader before February, I'm throwing mine at my Verizon Rep's face and picking up a Note 4. We bought Note 3's for only two reasons. The first reason was that the other Note's were easy to root and flash to CM and the second reason was because of the S-Pen. At this point I would take a loss on the S-Pen functionality just to be rid of all of the Samsung Bloat on my phones.
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So locked note 3 to a locked down note 4 when you are stuck with the options of motorola or sony for unlockable phones that are on verizon.
IF you really have to have CM 12 you are going to have to either make sure the phone you get at that time has an unlockable bl or is a nexus.
And as for the note 4 it is only a slight upgrade over the note 3 and both will someday get lollipop note 4 sooner than the note 3...
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Yeah way to stick it to Samsung by throwing out last quarters model and buying the brand new one.
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LOL
Any one trying to root this phone?
WhiteReign said:
Any one trying to root this phone?
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I was just looking for this same thing. I ran across a website that shows it can be done, don't know how valid this is though.
Bright future
It seems the G6 is poised for a bright future if it just catches on...
Samsung always takes the cake though
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Samsung always takes the cake though
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I'm wondering if anybody plans on root at all in the future before buying this phone. Don't want it if there's no development on it!
There's nothing. Which is a shame because I would be rocking this thing already
This is the first phone I have gotten that I don't have the need to root
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I like to have AdAway, Folder Mount, Quick Boot, and Xprivacy, which need root.
The lack of root is the only thing keeping me from getting this with the Best Buy deal
Best buy deal was too good to pass up and I got one for a family member coming from an ancient Galaxy S3. Really hoping we see root.
Glad I'm not the only one. I traded in for the V20 but it has to be shipped first and I'd much rather keep the G6.. Awesome phone.
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Best buy deal was too good to pass up and I got one for a family member coming from an ancient Galaxy S3. Really hoping we see root.
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I really want to get it, but the complete lack of discussion about it tells me it's not happening anytime soon.
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I really want to get it, but the complete lack of discussion about it tells me it's not happening anytime soon.
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Agreed. I feel like nothing will ever get root again on verizon unless you buy an unlocked phone for a ton of money or a last year model on swappa - but I always buy new.
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Agreed. I feel like nothing will ever get root again on verizon unless you buy an unlocked phone for a ton of money or a last year model on swappa - but I always buy new.
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I don't know what changed. It seems like there's a new push to lock down Android, it might have to do with Android Pay. It's really a shame. I don't understand the lack of people looking for exploits. Maybe they just aren't posting about it like they used to.
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I don't know what changed. It seems like there's a new push to lock down Android, it might have to do with Android Pay. It's really a shame. I don't understand the lack of people looking for exploits. Maybe they just aren't posting about it like they used to.
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Google has created nearly as much of a "walled-garden" as Apple have. Clearly the "security" concerns of the extreme few have caused quite a panic and nearly all of the major manufacturers have locked down their bootloaders and exploits are being punished legally in some cases. Crazy considering it is all based around "open source" code.
VZW is by far the worse offender and I am only on their network because the others all suck in my area. Not that it matters anymore since practically none of them have rootable devices. Unfortunately the best bet this year is the headphone jackless HTC U11 for a whopping $650 for the unlocked, bootloader mod-allowed version.
Has any one tried Kingo Root?
https://www.kingoapp.com/bootloader-unlock/how-to-unlock-lg-bootloader-on-android-device.htm
I may look into it later this week. I have a few things to try.
What a shame. This phone is fantastic, the LG V20 just showed up for me to pick up and I find myself reluctant to pick it up. I know it has root, as I roofed it for my boyfriend, after extreme difficulty it worked but all the custom ROMs for it made it where he can't receive texts or calls. Haven't gone looking for the fix yet. I may wait.
Crossing my fingers at the above post. You'd be my saving Grace. (;
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Oh and for KingORoot, you need to ask for the OEM unlock code through LG but this phone isn't apart of their available devices. Exploit please!
I fixed his V20, now is rooted with custom ROM and calling and text officially work. Is it enough for me to give up my G6 for root? Still reluctant. Yes, that's how good it is.
Autoprime just posted in the main G6 dev area, it sounds like he is doing a bit of poking at the platform.
It doesn't directly help vs988, but any sign of an experienced developer working the G6 is great.