[DISCUSSION] Xperia Overlay - Sony Xperia P, U, Sola, Go

As we know that xperia overlay is now available on 2011 lagacy xperia devices such as arc, neo, ray etc
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2799730
I am waiting for it to come on our devices , they are saying that they need some donations so that they can buy 2012 line xperia devices or anyone can help them as far as i know.
So i created a thread on discussion and latest news regarding to it, feel free to share your knowledge

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I want it !

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I, and I think many other people on XDA, don't need this KitKat modded Sony ROM.
First because I don't like Sony UI (it's personal).
And I read what says the guys who make this project. It's a mad and arrogant guy (see this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53784524&postcount=3).
After, I don't like guys want donations just for them, pretext that they really need to develop.
That's all for me.
Now please don't talk about this ROM just because this team have maked KitKat with Sony UI and apps. Look what there is behind a ROM project before.
Have a good day/night !

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I tend to agree with I4G regarding Sony's UI! It's just ugly! ?

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i think sola users already have one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-u/sola-development/rom-ultraxperia-v1-55-t2772196

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alwaysadeel said:
i think sola users already have one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-u/sola-development/rom-ultraxperia-v1-55-t2772196
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its based on cyanogenmod
im talking about complete z2 build

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Info4Geek said:
I, and I think many other people on XDA, don't need this KitKat modded Sony ROM.
First because I don't like Sony UI (it's personal).
And I read what says the guys who make this project. It's a mad and arrogant guy (see this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53784524&postcount=3).
After, I don't like guys want donations just for them, pretext that they really need to develop.
That's all for me.
Now please don't talk about this ROM just because this team have maked KitKat with Sony UI and apps. Look what there is behind a ROM project before.
Have a good day/night !
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about arrogance , well munjeni was a little arrogant too, why are everyone against them ?
about donations, well who knows they might need some
and about ui, sony has good ui better than cm11

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abbas23 said:
about arrogance , well munjeni was a little arrogant too, why are everyone against them ?
about donations, well who knows they might need some
and about ui, sony has good ui better than cm11
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This is my personal opinion after all.
Yes, munjeni was little arrogant, everyone have a part of arrogance, but this guy takes people a little too high, as if he was one of the best developer on XDA. As if everyone had something. I do not like it, I could never work with someone like that.
I know many developers on XDA who made many things about our Xperias, except that they did not ask for donations to reward their work, they just leave a donation button like many people here.
At one point, must stop abusing and mocking people.
After that remains my only and personal opinion.
EDIT: About Sony UI > :laugh:

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If you think that munjeni is arrogant you don't know munjeni.

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Info4Geek said:
I, and I think many other people on XDA, don't need this KitKat modded Sony ROM.
First because I don't like Sony UI (it's personal).
And I read what says the guys who make this project. It's a mad and arrogant guy (see this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53784524&postcount=3).
After, I don't like guys want donations just for them, pretext that they really need to develop.
That's all for me.
Now please don't talk about this ROM just because this team have maked KitKat with Sony UI and apps. Look what there is behind a ROM project before.
Have a good day/night !
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Hi, i understand your point, and you are right because its somme time that i am complaining about stuffs without doing what i shuld realy do (develop)
the problem I and our team have is that our firmware that we created is a real firmware and not a moded rom ( wich is realy dificult to explain and make pepole belive)
many pepole think that our firmware is just a moded and themed rom wich is not real, and what we ask to xda is just to ask somme developers totest and check rom structure and write a post on portal about what Xperia Overlay realy is .
in past when this project started many great devs told that its impossible , but times has changed and pepoe are inconstianely thinkink of moded rom.
we ask for donations yes but only for the project, what that means ? that mans that all donations are used to get devices that we dont have to be able tom make the firmware for them, but also ther is the need to keep the website online creat OTA update posibility (right now we use otaupdatecenter) wich will be depending on us and not third party software that need root, we also want to put the firmwares on our proper server to allow pepole to download and install them without waiting too long and havin many adds with download link like we found on dev host and onther hosting websites
i honestly dont see in how i am arrogant, i am helping pepole via PM when they have problem with rom installation , i responc to questions and take all critics to good use , for me it will be a pleasur to make our firmware for your 2012 line devices, but when we dont have the device is complicated ,
in past we trayed but we got blamed because we wasnt able to make stable builds as we can not test them and ther is too much devices and we are not so many pepole on working on it to it,
its for that reason that i asked to developers who want to join xperia overlay dev team to write us email on [email protected] so we can work with other devs to bring the firmware
right now we are separating the project by 2 part first is creation and features bugfix and all os relaeed stuffs on us (owners)
and second part are indepandent developers who will make the firmware boot for devices with all needed information and code that they need to do it
but we need that pepole know about our works and its dificult when almost everyone think that its impossible , pleas understand us
I personnaly developed since 2010 on xda and had done a lot of open source work, like gingerbread features port to froyo etc.. and put all on github, also was part of freexperia team and worked on cm bringing , then i decided to do somethink that a lot of pepoe was asking, a real and full firmware with everithink working to update theyr xperia headest, now we are close o our objective and we need the support of pepoles ,
i will say he last think about myself , is that when i was working for xperia x10 , one guy here on xda helped me a lot with donations, help etc...
once i got all needed stufs that i was needed to retake the work back and had finiched my personal releated problems i donated 2x more to that guy for his help and support, we are not here to make money but a big project without any revenue is dificult, but we always use the donations we god for developement only, now i am not asking for donations, cause right now our team is searching xperia min of 2011 line, cause we have now the neccessery money to purshace a used phone but its dificult to finde, so when we will finde one we will work on it, so if evn comunity donate to us for 2012 line of xperia devices it will not be so quick to make the firmware as we promised the firmware for 2011 line first
if you have any critics tips, suggestions we are always happe to hear from comunity wich we are part to improve our work and our policy
thank you
cheers
Achotjan

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Achotjan said:
if you have any critics tips, suggestions we are always happe to hear from comunity wich we are part to improve our work and our policy
thank you
cheers
Achotjan
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I appreciate your coming all the way here to answer queries and telling us your plans. But don't you think your saying that you will only develop for 2012 devices when you get that device is a little too much. There are many great devs for our devices like the aosx team etc. And development is all about teamwork. If i make a great rom thats bcoz of works of so many good people who enjoy working with others and appreciate the open spirit of Android .
Who will know us is if there are not people who appreciate and continue our work. No one will take away what you did, it's yours, but it's how u handle it will decide how many people know about it.

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alwaysadeel said:
I appreciate your coming all the way here to answer queries and telling us your plans. But don't you think your saying that you will only develop for 2012 devices when you get that device is a little too much. There are many great devs for our devices like the aosx team etc. And development is all about teamwork. If i make a great rom thats bcoz of works of so many good people who enjoy working with others and appreciate the open spirit of Android .
Who will know us is if there are not people who appreciate and continue our work. No one will take away what you did, it's yours, but it's how u handle it will decide how many people know about it.
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Hi, i maybe writed to quickly and ther is misunderstood... i has told that right now i am locking for 2011 MDPI (mini) device on wich i will work,
and i told that we dont need donations right now cause we need to work for 2011 first, i will not develop for 2012 xperia devices only... i will work for them all, cause i am working on the firmware bringing and want to separate the developement in 2 partie,
1st me and my team will work on z2 z3 etc... firmware rewriting,
and the teams or independent developers who want tojoin us will get all needed informations and souce code that they need to make it boot on their devices.
about the source code , i dont like the fact that everyone are blaming me to not share them , they will not do it if they had created it, just because they would have juridical problems with sony mobile, we had somme rules to respect and one importent one is not make xperia overlay source public, wich i personnaly promised to sony mobile,
pleas understand us, we work for xperia, but when source code available all device developers can make it work on theyr devices wich will be a hudge problem,
we are respecting the rules gived by Sony Mobile wich is :
- not share source code
- not build firmware for non sony/ericsson devices
and we are respecting those rules
by the way, even if we release the source code of it in every new android version the firmware change compleatly wich means that we need to do all from scrash, i already gived the way on howto make it, and how we do, ther is no magic
for all developers who want to do what we done its realy simple, decompile the framework packages, compare with AOSP framework package and see the changes that are done, and then rewrite all that into aosp source code by translating from smali languages to java
cheers
Achotjan

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Achotjan said:
for all developers who want to do what we done its realy simple, decompile the framework packages, compare with AOSP framework package and see the changes that are done, and then rewrite all that into aosp source code by translating from smali languages to java
cheers
Achotjan
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Talk about die hard Xperia ui fan, reverse engineering Sony code.
I might as well create a new rom with that skill.

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alwaysadeel said:
Talk about die hard Xperia ui fan, reverse engineering Sony code.
I might as well create a new rom with that skill.
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ok guys as i see i am not apreciated at all here, well what can I say.. i will let you discuss and
I will work on my side .....
cheers
Achotjan

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Achotjan said:
ok guys as i see i am not apreciated at all here, well what can I say.. i will let you discuss and
I will work on my side .....
cheers
Achotjan
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No its not that, ur work might be awesome and everything. But i will know when i use it. Till then good luck
Sent from my Nexus 7

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I seem to be a noob here among the big developers but let me say something
Its a discussion thread guys, you need to unite not divide stop fighting please
Sent from my Xperia Sola using XDA Free mobile app

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BTW can you share the camera app ? And how did you manage to make it work ?
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abbas23 said:
BTW can you share the camera app ? And how did you manage to make it work ?
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wich camera app ?
cheers
Achotjan

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The one you have used in xperia overlay
Is it only compatible to that rom or it works on all kk roms such as cm11 ? Sorry for asking too much
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abbas23 said:
The one you have used in xperia overlay
Is it only compatible to that rom or it works on all kk roms such as cm11 ? Sorry for asking too much
Sent from my Xperia Sola using XDA Free mobile app
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it is compatible with other aosp or cm11 rom, tray to install the app and see if it work, i havent put any extra dependency, this is not my creation my xperia overlay camera is in developement and when done it will replace current camera app, however new one will be rom dependent
cheers
Achotjan