Hey guys, I have ordered an Extra Original Battery (internal) with NFC for Note n9005. But I rarely use that battery, any way / tips to preserve that battery so that its life does not degrade not using it? (Batteries degrade over time even if not used, may also leak)
I'll be probably using that battery after 4-6 months.
I heard putting the battery in a sealed pouch and storing it in Freezer causes minimal degradation over time, but I am skeptical about it.
Any thoughts?
khonarr65 said:
Hey guys, I have ordered an Extra Original Battery (internal) with NFC for Note n9005. But I rarely use that battery, any way / tips to preserve that battery so that its life does not degrade not using it? (Batteries degrade over time even if not used, may also leak)
I'll be probably using that battery after 4-6 months.
I heard putting the battery in a sealed pouch and storing it in Freezer causes minimal degradation over time, but I am skeptical about it.
Any thoughts?
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That actually will degrade the battery. It's best to seal it and keep it at room temperature.
Just swap it out in your phone once in a while.
JimSmith94 said:
Just swap it out in your phone once in a while.
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Exactly that. It needs to be exercised or it will degrade. But if you don't want to swap it here and there, keep it charged at about 40% and do not expose it to low temperatures, freezer/cooler is very bad idea.
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Perhaps watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBKuOomv9Ko
Store them at about 65% capacity in a cool dry place.
Thank you for your inputs!
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Does my battery stats file become "misconfigured" or uncalibrated whenever I switch batteries?
I buy extra batteries to use when i'm getting low, and I like to switch them out. All including different mAh's (1000, 1700, 3500).
If so will I lose battery life? I am trying to figure why my battery is running low, had the tiamat kernel and it was beautiful with some issues though, and now i'm running bcblend and my battery is dead after 6 hours.
Switching batteries throws calibration off.
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So is there any alternative to using multiple batteries and the phone holding the ideal charge?
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So is there any alternative to using multiple batteries and the phone holding the ideal charge?
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Try a battery calibration app for root users.. The downside is... Well... You have to be rooted. This is just a suggestion but you could also buy a 4000mAh Seidio battery.. Downside is... Your phone will be super thick.
It's your call.
Akasa Fox said:
Try a battery calibration app for root users.. The downside is... Well... You have to be rooted. This is just a suggestion but you could also buy a 4000mAh Seidio battery.. Downside is... Your phone will be super thick.
It's your call.
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Thanks, I have the battery calibration app, but I think I have to fully charge and discharge the phone to get the best results....sign. Ok, just wondering.
I've been highly tempted to get the 4000mAh battery, the extra size doesn't bother me necessarily but I love my case, and I'd have to dish out for the battery, a new case (to hold the larger phone), and then probably get a phone clip in case the phone is uncomfortable in my pocket.
I bought a 3500mAh battery off ebay for like $12, but there is no case for it =/
i just got a new momax 2700mah battery still fresh from the box and put it on my phone.. initial battery level shows 22% but then after a few moment it jumps to 62% and stop charging afterwards.. i check using battery monitor app and it shows i only got about 100ma of current even though im using an AC charger to charge..
what should i do now? im puzzled because i can't even know what is my current battery level??
Try to charge it for couple of hours
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Hello,
You need to let him charged during few hours and after calibrate your battery stats with "Battery calibration".
Battery apps on the SGS2 only give a rough estimate of battery available at any given moment (a limitation of the hardware).
Non-stock batteries probably don't have the fuel gauge chip stock batteries have, so any reading you get whilst using one of these is probably going to be even less accurate than using a stock battery.
Obviously using non-stock/genuine batteries is a case of caveat emptor.
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Battery apps on the SGS2 only give a rough estimate of battery available at any given moment (a limitation of the hardware).
Non-stock batteries probably don't have the fuel gauge chip stock batteries have, so any reading you get whilst using one of these is probably going to be even less accurate than using a stock battery.
Obviously using non-stock/genuine batteries is a case of caveat emptor.
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i see.. no wonder the batt percentage suddenly rides a rocket
it charges normally now but slightly slower than stock.. definitely
so any battery apps are rather useless when using an extended battery particulary on S2?
They're not useless, but there's no way to absolutely 100% accurately measure how much juice you've got left, even with stock batteries. The numbers reported by battery apps are normally 'close', but you can sometimes see all kinds of weird results like the ones you saw with that battery you just got.
Gorjess said:
i see.. no wonder the batt percentage suddenly rides a rocket
it charges normally now but slightly slower than stock.. definitely
so any battery apps are rather useless when using an extended battery particulary on S2?
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They're not useless, but there's no way to absolutely 100% accurately measure how much juice you've got left, even with stock batteries. The numbers reported by battery apps are normally 'close', but you can sometimes see all kinds of weird results like the ones you saw with that battery you just got.
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ok, i get it.. but would it affect to the actual battery life?
i mean battery life should scales according to its battery capacity right? even though the phone thinks that it still running on stock battery..
No, it shouldn't have any bearing on the life of the battery.
Yes, at the end of the day you'll get the right 'capacity' regardless of any inaccuracy shown by a battery app at a given point in a charge cycle. For example, I have a 2000mAh Samsung battery, and my testing shows I do indeed get on average around 20% more juice out of it compared to the original 1600mAh one that came with the phone.
Tho non stock batteries are notorious for often not having a capacity the same as what they're advertised at. I bought a 3500mAh non-Samsung battery in December, tested it out for two weeks & found it was only roughly 1800mAH. It also used to get really hot (45°C) when charging so I took it back to the place I bought it from & got a refund then bought the Samsung 2000mAh.
Gorjess said:
ok, i get it.. but would it affect to the actual battery life?
i mean battery life should scales according to its battery capacity right? even though the phone thinks that it still running on stock battery..
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No, it shouldn't have any bearing on the life of the battery.
Yes, at the end of the day you'll get the right 'capacity' regardless of any inaccuracy shown by a battery app at a given point in a charge cycle. For example, I have a 2000mAh Samsung battery, and my testing shows I do indeed get on average around 20% more juice out of it compared to the original 1600mAh one that came with the phone.
Tho non stock batteries are notorious for often not having a capacity the same as what they're advertised at. I bought a 3500mAh non-Samsung battery in December, tested it out for two weeks & found it was only roughly 1800mAH. It also used to get really hot (45°C) when charging so I took it back to the place I bought it from & got a refund then bought the Samsung 2000mAh.
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Will check for improvements soon after 2-3 cycles..
Wait, what? So ur saying that the bigger the capacity the more inefficient it gets? How did you know the actual capacity of the battery ur using?
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I didn't know the actual capacity for certain because I don't have the equipment to test that kind of thing, but my testing gave me around 10-15% more juice than the stock battery so I figured it was around 1800-1900.
Not exactly scientific, but after two weeks and a bunch of charge/discharge cycles, it was nowhere near the 3500mAh it was alleged to be, so I returned it. For me, I'd rather stick to a 2000mAh Samsung battery which was the same price as the genuine 2000mAh battery (~$40). I get fantastic battery life as it is, and 2000mAh is plenty for me. Plus I have the original 1600mAh which I store/keep charged @ 60/70% as a spare which I can charge to full quickly if I need it.
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Will check for improvements soon after 2-3 cycles..
Wait, what? So ur saying that the bigger the capacity the more inefficient it gets? How did you know the actual capacity of the battery ur using?
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Mugen Power 5400mAh Extended Battery for AT&T Galaxy Note SGH-i717 w/ Battery Door
Just got it in the mail today. I'll post more later.
First impressions are:
1) great sturdy battery door, very good fit
2) total height is approx 11 quarters (SEE PICS)
3) adds approx 9.55mm
4) Battery weights 97 grams (FYI, OEM battery weights 50 grams)
Day 2: The included instructions said to charge the battery (in the phone) for 8-12 hrs. So I just finished that step and will report in tonight with some battery stats. I hadn't looked for cases (I didn't use one prior to getting the Mugen extended batery).
Day 3: 25 hrs on battery w/ 25% left (with moderate to heavy use throughout the day and night). I'm a true believer that this battery is the real deal. The extra thickness is a drawback but the way the battery door tapers does help some. I don't know how to test the NFC capabilities with the new battery door, maybe someone can tell me a way to do this. The inside to the battery door sure looks like it has the NFC hardware built in.
Day 4: 24 hrs since last charge with 68% battery left (low to moderate use).
Power Brick!!! Hows the battery life compared to stock?
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
I like it... do you know if there any cases to support the extra size?
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Yeah have you found any cases? I guess I wouldn't mind then extra size for almost double their battery life. I'm guessing they Otter box won't fit on it? Also is it really that much bigger have you gotten used to it? Are all hopes lost for trying to fit it into your pocket?
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When you can, drop me some battery stats. I'm looking into getting one myself.
I purchased this for my offbrand extended battery. Curious if it will fit. It says it will fit hyperion and other after market batteries. http://www.ebay.com/itm/270972317633?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
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So any updates on the battery life are you looking it so far?
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Thinking of getting one, just would like to know if the sweet armor bumper would still fit.
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How sturdy is the kickstand? Has the sound quality changed? Does it have the gold contacts for the nfc inside of the cover? Does it charge the phone and battery at the same time when plugged in? And finally, do you now walk with a limp with it in your pocket lol?
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How sturdy is the kickstand? Has the sound quality changed? Does it have the gold contacts for the nfc inside of the cover? Does it charge the phone and battery at the same time when plugged in? And finally, do you now walk with a limp with it in your pocket lol?
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Reply: (Kickstand) The kickstand is sturdy (with no side-to-side movement when deployed at all). It stays in the battery door and only comes out when its pulled out. I guess time will tell if it stays this way. (NFC) Yes, the gold contacts are inside the battery boor. I still have not tested the NFC, mainly because I don't know how when running Gingerbread. (Charging) The phone can be on or off while the battery charges when plugged in. (Carrying Around) The size (the weight is fine) is taking some getting used to. I do like the way the extended battery door tapers.
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So any updates on the battery life are you looking it so far?
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REPLY: The battery life is noticeably more. The second night I was trying to drain it as fast as I could. After about one hour of tethering, video playback, max screen brightness, virus scanning, and continually syncing all running at the same time, the battery dropped from 35% to around 27% of charge left. I was trying to get the battery low so I could start another 8-12 hrs charge (per the battery's initializing instructions), but gave up and had to charge it the next day after lunch when the battery had 15% left.
Oh wow lol seems to be pretty good then so when you carry it do you put it I'm your pocket is it comfortable?
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Screenshot some battery stats if you please.
Will any case fit on it? i still want to protect my note
circuit.007 said:
Will any case fit on it? i still want to protect my note
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Im pretty sure the cases for the note won't work with it. I know people want to protect their phones but do you really want it bigger than it is with the extended battery?
parcsalooc said:
I purchased this for my offbrand extended battery. Curious if it will fit. It says it will fit hyperion and other after market batteries. http://www.ebay.com/itm/270972317633?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
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Did you ever get the case to fit?
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justquan2 said:
Screenshot some battery stats if you please.
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See pic
Just from the looks, the sweet armor cases may fit.
That's pretty epic. I want to use my note as a bluetooth music player at work all night long from 11pm to 8am. I think this would finally get my xoom out of my side [cargo] pocket at work.
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There is an app on the market specifically for the purposes of draining the battery as fast as possible. It does this by turning every feature on the phone on (LED for the camera, uploading data via the cellular network, screen brightness at max and several others as well), you can select manually which items you specifically dont want to use (for example, cellular data might be an issue if you are on a limited plan). You need to be careful however, draining the battery too quickly raises the temp of the battery VERY fast. I ran it on the stock battery and in 10 minutes, the battery temp jumped to over 50 degrees C (someone can convert this to F, right now Im a bit too sleepy to do the math) and drained the stock battery from 90% to 62% in this same ten minute period. Search the market for battery drain and look for a description that isnt in very good English, the screenshots will show a list of 5-8 checkboxes with things to do to drain the battery quickly.
how much better is the battery with it, i got it and the battery is the same
EclipzeRemix said:
how much better is the battery with it, i got it and the battery is the same
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Im on my 4th day of using the 1900 one. it seems regular to me. ive been fully charging and draining it for a few days now. havent seen a great improvement. oh and props on the supser sayain rom playa. I got like 2 days of battery life with that. are you going to make the newer versions for the 351.3 leak? or does it not really matter.
Damn that sucks. Right now I'm just using the external battery pack when I can't plug in my phone.
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Yeah same here. Not really a huge noticable difference. Then again a change in only about 200mah is not that much anyways. 1700 vs 1900mah
I have an Anker 1900 also. The life of the battery depends on how its conditioned. I also charge it in the phone and not with an external charger and I have noticed the battery life last longer.
I let the battery drain till the phone shuts off then charge it to 100%. I do that with my stock one as well. After a couple of days of doing that I reset my batt stats in recovery (4EXT of course) and continue the process over again.
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i have an anker and chichitec. both are better than the oem one. given that the oem one crapped out, i'm not sure how accurate my observations are, though.
One of the first things I did was get an Anker battery and honestly I couldn't tell that much of a difference. Granted I only had the OEM battery for about a week, but it seems like it drains at about the same rate, it might last just the tiniest bit longer, but its not much of a difference.
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how much better is the battery with it, i got it and the battery is the same
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My OEM is slightly better than either of my two Anker 1900 batteries.
I have not noticed any difference really. I have to charge me batt. every night after a days use. I keep an original batt charged and another anker. I switch them out. no ground breaking changes.
Hello everyone,
Just ran across this site. It looks very good and explains a lot about charging and overcharging Lithium-ion batteries. Hope you find it useful.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
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I have not noticed any difference really. I have to charge me batt. every night after a days use. I keep an original batt charged and another anker. I switch them out. no ground breaking changes.
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the difference between stock amaze batt and anker (i doubt it's full 1900mAh anyway) is about 170mAh. def. not groundbreaking lol
After conditioning my Anker batteries (0-100 charge/discharge 5 times as recommended) using the external charger. I found that on average my batteries lasted about 30% longer than stock. Also I was getting random reboots, the grey battery icon error, incorrect battery % reports with the stock battery. All of that has stopped when using the Anker battery. I have also found that charging with the external charger will allow the Anker to last longer than charging in the phone. The Anker battery seems to operate at a lower temperature also. Overall I have definitely seen a substantial increase in battery life over stock. Although obviously not ground breaking it is a worth while investment especially with it being relatively inexpensive.
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After conditioning my Anker batteries (0-100 charge/discharge 5 times as recommended) using the external charger. I found that on average my batteries lasted about 30% longer than stock. Also I was getting random reboots, the grey battery icon error, incorrect battery % reports with the stock battery. All of that has stopped when using the Anker battery. I have also found that charging with the external charger will allow the Anker to last longer than charging in the phone. The Anker battery seems to operate at a lower temperature also. Overall I have definitely seen a substantial increase in battery life over stock. Although obviously not ground breaking it is a worth while investment especially with it being relatively inexpensive.
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I also conditioned mine, and they don't last as well as OEM, certainly not 30% better. Maybe your OEM was defective.
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If you want to compare properly – you need to calibrate each battery and use it with its own calibration profile. The results will be quite approximate otherwise.
I asked about app to switch battery profiles – nobody answered yet…
Even if it exists, it’ll work for rooted phones only, most likely…
ApokrifX said:
If you want to compare properly – you need to calibrate each battery and use it with its own calibration profile. The results will be quite approximate otherwise.
I asked about app to switch battery profiles – nobody answered yet…
Even if it exists, it’ll work for rooted phones only, most likely…
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I should think that a battery would work so long as it was stronger than the profile being used (the % might not be accurate, but it would at least run), but you bring up a good point.
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http://www.amazon.com/Official-Capa...Note-Blue/dp/B008VPQIF2/ref=pd_sim_sbs_cps_16
did a quick search and didnt find anyone post these yet... thinking about trying one out since its pretty cheap unless someone already has?
what u guys thnk?
I'd give it a try. Looks likes it is the same size as original so it would fit without a new back cover
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Review?
May u do a review on the battery?
Is that another fake 3450mah? Theoretically, it should give extra 38% battery life, however, even if it gives extra ~15% i will give it a try
I'm curious too.. Seems too good to be true
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If and when someone buys the battery, can we get a report whether it fits under the OEM battery cover and does it last 38% longer than the OEM battery?
For the price, I'm taking the plunge. I ordered it yesterday. It should arrive sometime next week. Once I get it I'll let you guys know if it's good or not.
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Ordered it on the day I saw the OP, got it delivered yesterday.
1. Yes, it fits in the stock I717 cover, without having to force anything. You can tell it's not a stock OEM battery, but it fits just fine.
2. Charged it to full capacity using a Samsung external charger (took an hour or so) and then started using it.
3. Off the bat, it appeared to keep a charge significantly better than my stock batteries, but I'm not sure how much of that was because it was just a newer battery vs the higher mAh.
4. Using the phone HEAVILY (flashed a ROM, a couple kernels, mods, etc, did a couple Nandroid backup/restores, ran the v6 SuperCharger script), I'd say I got about 20% better battery life. I'll have to go through a couple cycles on it and do some comparisons with Better Battery Stats, etc (under more "daily use" scenarios), in order to truly evaluate the difference.
My way-too-early conclusion:
A noticeable improvement in battery life, while not mind-blowing, was IMO absolutely worth the price (which isn't too bad)... especially since the boost in power doesn't come at the expense of a ridiculous extended back cover. I'd say don't claw over someone to get a hold of one, but if you were already thinking about adding a battery to the mix - I say go for it.
You need to be systematic with testing. It's not very useful to "use the phone like normal" when that varies a lot. For example, simply putting my phone on a different side of my desk will yield a different battery life because the cell signal changes by a bar or two.
To avoid this, I test by setting airplane mode, a specific brightness (usually brightest) and then playing a video on loop using the software decoder on the same version of video software. No standard sized battery will go past 4 hours in my experience.
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You need to be systematic with testing. It's not very useful to "use the phone like normal" when that varies a lot. For example, simply putting my phone on a different side of my desk will yield a different battery life because the cell signal changes by a bar or two.
To avoid this, I test by setting airplane mode, a specific brightness (usually brightest) and then playing a video on loop using the software decoder on the same version of video software. No standard sized battery will go past 4 hours in my experience.
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But that 4 hours is for CONTINUOUS use. The "test" he did reflects more of real life use, although it is not scientific.
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But that 4 hours is for CONTINUOUS use. The "test" he did reflects more of real life use, although it is not scientific.
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What you said doesn't actually say anything?
If the stock battery lasts 3.5 hours and the test battery lasts 4 hours under the same conditions then we know it's actually better. This will translate into real-life.
"Real Life Conditions" just means "didn't use it the same way" and cannot translate back into "worse case scenario". Placing my phone on the other side of my desk means I lose 15-20% more battery life over a workday.
You simply _must_ use the same conditions to actually be able to tell if it's better.
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But that 4 hours is for CONTINUOUS use. The "test" he did reflects more of real life use, although it is not scientific.
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Getting 15-20% more life from a NEW li-ion battery vs a used li-ion is not exactly shocking. The fact is, thinking that any third parties are going to achieve a greater power to mass ratio than OEM is pretty naive. Any battery the sane size as the Sammy battery being 2.5Ah or less is highly probable unless there's a change in battery technology.
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Just wanted to touch base again with an update...didn't mean to start a flame, just trying to report my results for anyone interested.
That said, my "continuous use" described above is (as much as I hate to admit) generally the norm, not the exception, with my usage habits. I used it just as I used the stock battery immediately prior, and I did notice the improvement. I didn't go to great lengths to make sure I eliminated every single variable for testing purposes, but it was one of those "I could just tell" type of things.
HOWEVER, at this point the new battery has been 4 or 5 cycles, and unfortunately is pretty much interchangeable with my other two stock batteries in terms of battery life. As I pondered in my first post, as well as being mentioned by someone above, it seems my improvement was probably just chalked up to the battery being significantly newer than the others. In fact, considering the older batteries have a good 8 months of age on this new battery, you could almost say that they're improving BETTER than the i9220 battery - considering the circumstances. Also I've noticed the battery can be prone to overheating at times of heavy use (more so than the stock battery). So take that FWIW I guess.