I'm thinking of getting the Z2 but I'm worried after seeing how many people have problems with overheating, bad build quality, self cracking so on so forth... I just wanted to know whether every Z2 has these issues or is it a game of luck? And does the batch number have anything to do with these issues? AND, did they fix the camera overheat problem (in normal, non 4k mode) via the updates or no? If not then I think it's... I don't know, lame? there's no other phone, no matter high or low end that can't stay in camera without overheating, I guess we have to pay 700$ to get that exclusive "feature" then.
Also, off topic, how is the speaker quality compared to iPhone 5S and/or Note 3? And is the amp powerful enough to power high end headphones decently?
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I'm thinking of getting the Z2 but I'm worried after seeing how many people have problems with overheating, bad build quality, self cracking so on so forth... I just wanted to know whether every Z2 has these issues or is it a game of luck? And does the batch number have anything to do with these issues? AND, did they fix the camera overheat problem (in normal, non 4k mode) via the updates or no? If not then I think it's... I don't know, lame? there's no other phone, no matter high or low end that can't stay in camera without overheating, I guess we have to pay 700$ to get that exclusive "feature" then.
Also, off topic, how is the speaker quality compared to iPhone 5S and/or Note 3? And is the amp powerful enough to power high end headphones decently?
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It is very obvious and understandable to have this doubt which you are facing right now. I had the similar apprehensions before and also post purchasing the Z2. However, the truth is far from it.
A few points we all need to understand:
1) Users on XDA Z2 forum are only a fraction of all the Z2 owners in the world. The issues depeicted here are majorly very minor when the ratio is compared to the whole lot of Z2s sold so far by Sony.
2) Had it been that majority of Z2s facing the mentioned issues, Sony would have been trashed across all the global forums, blogs and other tech portals.
Camera overheating issue is a bug. Again, this is not so rampant. And not that everyone will use 4k recording all the time for video shooting, as I can say this for all, not all of us own a 4K TV or monitor to enjoy the video. 1080p still serves the purpose.
Speaker quality is great. I say this post comparing it with S5, Iphone5s, Note 3, Nexus. However, you cannot compare it to HTC One (Both M7 &M8).
I hope I could settle a few concerns you had here. I would end saying this. Buy any device, any phone. But only when you are sure about it 100% (50% heart + 50% Mind)
-unease
unease said:
It is very obvious and understandable to have this doubt which you are facing right now. I had the similar apprehensions before and also post purchasing the Z2. However, the truth is far from it.
A few points we all need to understand:
1) Users on XDA Z2 forum are only a fraction of all the Z2 owners in the world. The issues depeicted here are majorly very minor when the ratio is compared to the whole lot of Z2s sold so far by Sony.
2) Had it been that majority of Z2s facing the mentioned issues, Sony would have been trashed across all the global forums, blogs and other tech portals.
Camera overheating issue is a bug. Again, this is not so rampant. And not that everyone will use 4k recording all the time for video shooting, as I can say this for all, not all of us own a 4K TV or monitor to enjoy the video. 1080p still serves the purpose.
Speaker quality is great. I say this post comparing it with S5, Iphone5s, Note 3, Nexus. However, you cannot compare it to HTC One (Both M7 &M8).
I hope I could settle a few concerns you had here. I would end saying this. Buy any device, any phone. But only when you are sure about it 100% (50% heart + 50% Mind)
-unease
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Thanks for replying.
I'm all up for it (heart wise) but the brain part still worries me because I'm not that rich to just get a new flagship after few days because mine is faulty.
My concern about the camera wasn't about the 4K overheating, my brother's Note 3 has 4k too, it NEVER gets used. I'm just worried because I've seen some people both on XDA and other forums/YT having overheating during normal photo shooting in SA mode.
Mk-Raul said:
Thanks for replying.
I'm all up for it (heart wise) but the brain part still worries me because I'm not that rich to just get a new flagship after few days because mine is faulty.
My concern about the camera wasn't about the 4K overheating, my brother's Note 3 has 4k too, it NEVER gets used. I'm just worried because I've seen some people both on XDA and other forums/YT having overheating during normal photo shooting in SA mode.
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Hello there, well so far (I am using the Indian variant D6502 with .314 rom) I haven't had any concerns while using the camera. So can't comment on that. Maybe, you should visit nearest retailer and play around with a demo piece before committing for a purchase.
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Hello . I got my Z2 the other day and no problems. I configurated it, updated to latest firmware, rooted and it's been working great.
I saw some issues with it overheating when charged but I didn't get that. So far no screen crack either.
I was worried about the self cracking as well but in the end I got it anyway. I really hope I won't experience it. I had a Z1 and Z ultra previously who both were great.
The speaker/mic quality sounds worse but I don't really care seeing as I will be talking with a headset anyway.
Ive just got the phone and have it for 4 days now.Switched from Xperia ZR. To be honest yes the phone overheats more when you use the camera,videorecording / 4k or 1080p doesnt metta. (comparing with the ZR). And yes,ive read alot about the cracked screens before taking the phone also but..thats the price for its classy look.you need to be careful even if you take a case / protector. The ZR had the same overheating problems when it first came out but sony gave us an update that fixed it.Soo lets hope they will manage to make 1 for the Z2 too On the other hand the Snapdragon is very close to the camera sensor so thats the thingy thats cousin the overheat.And afterall its an No fan device. Uh and for the speakers,yes,they are nice,but not the best as Unease said,but.still louder than prev Z series.cheerz
Thanks for asking these questions Op as I also have the same concerns about buying the Z2 (as I'm sure many others do as well).
Any large purchase, especially with a 2 year contract, is daunting but rest assured that the vast majority of Z2's are problem free. Certainly my week old model hasn't had any problems.
its only early model xperia Z2s which have problems, and if its a problem then sony has to replace it or repair it since its in the warrenty
All Sony Mobile device issues that are Sonys fault is covered by their 2 year warrenty, and modifacation of the device will result in a warrenty void.
Thanks for all the replies, guys.
I've waited way too long and now it's time for Z3 to be released... I know it doesn't offer much more than Z2 but I'm kinda between 2 rocks at the moment. I'd hate to spend 700$ on a flagship if it's going to be "outdated" after 20 days... I think I will though. :\
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Thanks for all the replies, guys.
I've waited way too long and now it's time for Z3 to be released... I know it doesn't offer much more than Z2 but I'm kinda between 2 rocks at the moment. I'd hate to spend 700$ on a flagship if it's going to be "outdated" after 20 days... I think I will though. :\
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buying a z3 instead of a z2 is pointless, they just look different, not much performance wise
only thing sony is doing with z series is trying to find that perfect phone by trying different things
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buying a z3 instead of a z2 is pointless, they just look different, not much performance wise
only thing sony is doing with z series is trying to find that perfect phone by trying different things
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That's exactly what I think to be honest. And the fact that rumored pictures of Z3 show that the speakers aren't front facing is enough for me to take Z2 instead.
How long do they keep updating their phones? I mean will my Z2 get its updates after Z3? and if it will, will they take ages? I haven't owned an Xperia device so I don't know how their support works for older phones.
Apart from Camera Overheating issue , I have ZERO problems for my phone dated 14 W18.
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That's exactly what I think to be honest. And the fact that rumored pictures of Z3 show that the speakers aren't front facing is enough for me to take Z2 instead.
How long do they keep updating their phones? I mean will my Z2 get its updates after Z3? and if it will, will they take ages? I haven't owned an Xperia device so I don't know how their support works for older phones.
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18 months standard, some devices get more or less depending on their popularity for support time and updates are there when they can update, not tooo often but when a version is busted they try to get another update out as soon as
Mk-Raul said:
Thanks for all the replies, guys.
I've waited way too long and now it's time for Z3 to be released... I know it doesn't offer much more than Z2 but I'm kinda between 2 rocks at the moment. I'd hate to spend 700$ on a flagship if it's going to be "outdated" after 20 days... I think I will though. :\
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If z3 truly is thinner I wouldn't be surprised to see overheating, or at the very least CPU throttling, to be worse than z2
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If z3 truly is thinner I wouldn't be surprised to see overheating, or at the very least CPU throttling, to be worse than z2
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heating is caused by bad motherboard design
cpu is next to the camera, neither have any breathing space for cooler air, hence the extreme heating when not using the camera and even worse with using the camera
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heating is caused by bad motherboard design
cpu is next to the camera, neither have any breathing space for cooler air, hence the extreme heating when not using the camera and even worse with using the camera
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And when you are forced to cram them closer together by having a thinner casing it gets worse, don't forget a waterproof sealed casing has little air movement.
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And when you are forced to cram them closer together by having a thinner casing it gets worse, don't forget a waterproof sealed casing has little air movement.
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there is also no heat pipes like found in HTC or iphones
im hoping sony learns from their mistakes, they are slowly learning from some mistakes but not all, they seem to only listen to the majority of complaints, aka poor camera qualitys, bootloader issues
for some reason not enough people complain about heating and thats one of the biggest issues, yet i see little about this issue
I suspect that's because for MOST users it's not an issue, certainly in the week I've had mine it's got no warmer in general use than my galaxy s3 did, I'll admit I've not done any 4k videoing yet but I've not had any close downs or noticeable throttling.
If all Z2's had problems then mine would as well... But mine doesn't, ergo, not all Z2's have problems...
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Hello,
I'm currently an owner of an S3 . I've been wanting to upgrade for some time now and I just can't decide what to buy.
I love the M8, but the camera is so awful that I am just not ready to pay a flagship-phone price for a phone like that. (my old s3 beats m8's camera (!!) )
I loved the G3 too , but reading in the GSMaren's review how bad its battery is (aside from 3G talk time , it really isn't that different than my ancient S3 in terms of its battery life which is just ridiculous! )
The Z2 has a boring and an outdated UI which is just a shame for a 2014 phone.
But , its battery ,camera, overall performance are superb. At least compared to its rivals. (Though it seems that the screen is rather dim and dark compared to the S5 and M8).
But my main concern , is that Video shooting and overheating issue.
I don't need to record videos in 4K. But as far as I understand the the overheating issue occurs even when shooting an 1080p video, and that's a problem.
Does 1080p shooting cause the overheating and camera app shut down for everyone?
If you really think the UI is "boring and outdated" (really?!) it is easily remedied with any launcher of your choice..
Regarding the overheating issue, I have been recording 12 minute 4K videos (it shut down by itself) and 30 minute 1080p videos (I stopped recording, I could have gone longer the phone was warm but not hot at that point) without any issues.
That being said, based on what everyone on here has been saying my experience is not the same as most.
At the end of the day mate, it's a mobile phone. You don't have much to lose picking this over one of the other flagships.
Have you seen the phone in person and used it? I read a lot of reviews complaining about the brightness but when I got it I was quite surprised I could use it in daylight with no issues. As for the UI you can alway use a launcher or themer to change the look of the phone, as for the 4K video recording it seems to be an issue across all companies I think it's probably being an issue of the hardware not being at that level yet. I am hoping that there will be a software fix for the overheating issues. I'm not sure if you are in the US but there are sellers who are Amazon verified once in a while that will let you do no hassle returns if you dont like it. I was really impressed with the phone but ended up returning it because it was a bit too big for my tastes but I am planning on buying it again when the prices go down. Good Luck!
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Have you seen the phone in person and used it? I read a lot of reviews complaining about the brightness but when I got it I was quite surprised I could use it in daylight with no issues. As for the UI you can alway use a launcher or themer to change the look of the phone, as for the 4K video recording it seems to be an issue across all companies I think it's probably being an issue of the hardware not being at that level yet. I am hoping that there will be a software fix for the overheating issues. I'm not sure if you are in the US but there are sellers who are Amazon verified once in a while that will let you do no hassle returns if you dont like it. I was really impressed with the phone but ended up returning it because it was a bit too big for my tastes but I am planning on buying it again when the prices go down. Good Luck!
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One thing for sure when the price reduces the phone will NOT reduce in size
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Somnium1 said:
The Z2 has a boring and an outdated UI which is just a shame for a 2014 phone.
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I would have to disagree with you here. The Z2 has a beautiful elegant UI IMO, one of the best Android "skins" aside from stock Android on the flagship devices. I've owned the One M8, Galaxy S3, Galaxy Note 3, and this is my favorite device by far.
I had...well,still have a z2 (its in for repair, after three days of light use the back panel cracked).
I did want to like it, but a few things missing from it that I missed from previously having Samsungs. Yes the ui is cleaner,closer to stock android but the the features of Touchwiz for me, make android better.
Like the swipe left to call/right to text.... Vibrate when there is an unread text, scheduled text messages, block numbers etc.
Ok, apps can be installed to mimic most of these but arnt as fluid as the built in features of Touchwiz.
Also had issues with the volume of notifications and screen brightness in the sun.
Great looking phone tbh, but have a play properly with a demo unit before committing.
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Does 1080p shooting cause the overheating and camera app shut down for everyone?
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What is the ambient temperature where you will be shooting ?
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ProdigalFather said:
Regarding the overheating issue, I have been recording 12 minute 4K videos (it shut down by itself) and 30 minute 1080p videos (I stopped recording, I could have gone longer the phone was warm but not hot at that point) without any issues.
That being said, based on what everyone on here has been saying my experience is not the same as most.
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It isn't from what i can see and i'm trying to figure it out.
Go on then. Tell us what was the ambient temperature when you recorded those vids ? particularly that half hour long 1080p one.
Ryland Johnson said:
One thing for sure when the price reduces the phone will NOT reduce in size
Ryland
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Yeah I know, I got a Z1 Compact as primary would like a Z2 eventually for those times I want a bigger screen
jawang26 said:
Yeah I know, I got a Z1 Compact as primary would like a Z2 eventually for those times I want a bigger screen
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Get the Z2 tablet.
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Get the Z2 tablet.
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Haha I have an iPad already (don't judge!) like having a different eco system...We'll see hopefully I can hold out of the Z3 or Sony releases something similar in the 4.7 - 5 range.
As of now the Z2 is the best phone I've used compared to the S5 and the HTC One M8 but everyone has different preferences and tastes
I wrote a FULL REVIEW of the Xperia Z2 here - http://bit.ly/1kPjBJP
Read it and i'm pretty sure you will make up your mind easier.
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What is the ambient temperature where you will be shooting ?
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Ambient temp is around 30-40C (Sometimes more). Summers are hot here.
And I still can't understand.. the overheating issue occurs in 1080p videos too?? Or just for some..?
If it's only with 4K I can live with that, but 1080p... sucks.
It's weird that no serious mobile reviews mention that.(Engadget,GSMarena,etc.)
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It isn't from what i can see and i'm trying to figure it out.
Go on then. Tell us what was the ambient temperature when you recorded those vids ? particularly that half hour long 1080p one.
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Around 11-13C for both.
Any Middle east user out there? How is the heat problem with z2 as ambient is around 45+ C
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I'm reading answers here and it's very annoying to see some of them...
Most of us choose one brand and stick to it, why?
Just because we found something on that brand that cannot be found on others.
To compare touchwiz and Sony UI is... Hmm...let's say odd..
Why to compare?
I like Sony UI and I'm using Xperia devices, for years.
I don't like touchwiz so I don't use it.
Sony UI isn't outdated, dev brought UI on XS and older devices back in 2012/2013 but it wasn't meant to be for those devices.
Sony UI (new UI) was built for Honami, for Z1 and that's not old guys...
I thought I won't buy Z2, I own Z1 and Z2 now and I can't tell which one is Z2 from distance...so, yeah, there's not much new when you look device while it's off.
But...
When you take Z2 in your hands, when you feel it, when you see that fantastic IPS screen - you'll see the difference.
While I'm talking about screen I'll say just a few things about heating, not overheating.
If you watch 4K video or shoot one, play heavy games - it'll be hot, quite hot but there'll be no apps crashing or device freezing - that's the difference between heating and overheating.
That's perfectly normal and I'm sure next update will reduce that a bit...
Also, screen is a bit dark and you'll have trouble to watch video outside on bright sun.
You won't see problems in menus and other apps but video is hard to watch...
That's minus, at least for me...
But that's something next firmware releases could fix without any problems.
Even custom kernels could fix something like that...
If you can wait, wait for next Xperia device, it'll be better, that's for sure.
But comparing this device with Z/ZL/ZR/Z1 I can say this is not just a better device, Z2 is something new from Sony...
Believe me, I'm using Z1 at the same time and comparing them all the time - Z2 is really, really something else...
Is it better then competitions flagships?
For me it is but if you like Sony and their ideas it'll be best for you as well...
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Ambient temp is around 30-40C (Sometimes more). Summers are hot here.
And I still can't understand.. the overheating issue occurs in 1080p videos too?? Or just for some..?
If it's only with 4K I can live with that, but 1080p... sucks.
It's weird that no serious mobile reviews mention that.(Engadget,GSMarena,etc.)
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Wait for a new update and we'll confirm if that heating is fixed.
55 has that problem and I think next one has it to (I think it's 402 or 420, I'm not sure) so next firmware update could fix that problem.
Wait for that and you'll know...
BTW, I just tried to shoot 1080 / 60fps video.
I recorded 3.20mins and played it, so it's almost 7 mins of 1080p videos and no heating at all.
Device is just a bit warmer (top back) but that's nothing.
It's not hot at all....
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I have the M8 and Z2. The screen on the Z2 is brighter than my M8.
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jawang26 said:
Yeah I know, I got a Z1 Compact as primary would like a Z2 eventually for those times I want a bigger screen
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A suggestion. If you have the Z1 compact as your mobile phone and desire on times a larger viewing area I would skip the Z2 and go for the Xperia Z Ultra. Prices are incredibly low now and its one hell of a viewing experience. I own the Ultra and Z2 and think the Ultra is certainly better quality in terms of materials used and construction methods. Nothing wrong with the Z2 but I was some what surprised when I received it last week. I used to own the Xperia Z and that was, despite many negative comments, a very good phone. I am unsure if the jump in size from the compact to the Z2 would be worth the financial outlay. Now the Ultra has a far greater viewing area and its less than half the price of the new Z2.
Again, just some food for thought. Your choice will be right for you I am sure of that. Good luck with what ever you purchase.
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Why I like the Xperia Z2 over other competitors (Galaxy S5, One M8, G3). Below are just my personal opinion and observations. I have used my Z2 for 3 weeks now. This is my first noob review so please bear with me.
Camera
I was disappointed when I first heard that Sony limited its Superior Auto mode to 8MP only, I admit Im one of the people who believes more megapixel the better, but I was wrong. Even at 8MP, Z2 captures amazing shots, HDR is not as great as Galaxy S5s HDR shots, but as a whole camera, its better. Color accuracy is near perfect as I have compared through reviews. 4K video, although it heats up the phone quickly, I dont often use them. 1080p video recording is great, with a choice of 30fps or 60fps, sound is loud. Shots are fast and focus is 90% hit. Dont mind about HTC One M8's "Ultrapixel", they shoot awful shots.
Battery
3200mah Z2 vs 3200mah G3? G3 with QHD screen undoubtly will eat up more battery that Z2's FHD screen. Galaxy S5's 2800mAh and HTC One 2600 will normally never last longer than Z2. Rocking the phone for 24 hrs is a piece of cake. Dont forget Sony's Stamina mode that saves up a significant amount of juice.
Screen display
Although many people have been complaining about Z2's screen a bit dim. In my opinion its not too dim or too bright that I have to squint to see what im looking at. In my observation, Z2's brightness bursts from 75% and above. Previous flagships use TFT LCD and that was a big deal breaker for me. I could have got the Z1 if the screen was IPS. Texts and icons are sharper and brighter. Images are more vivid and accurate. Coming from Galaxy S4, I am used to those AMOLED displays, downside is that its not as sharp as IPS LCD, plus X-Reality does the job well done to movies and pictures (sharper and more vivid). As for HTC One M8, screen is comparable to IPS, but gives a bluish tint as I have read. Imagine yellows with blueish/colder colors.
Stereo Speakers/Sound
HTC is undoubtly the champ. But we are pinning Z2's dual front facing stereo speakers at 2nd, ahead of Galaxy S5 or G3 with one speaker. Sound is a bit soft/low even at 50%. You wont even notice a significant change from 1%-50% volume. Volume bursts from 50% and above. Thats just my opinion. Theres a little bit of trick with Z2's speakers to sound great or at least better. Watching movies or listening to music in landscape greatly improves the audio experience. Its probably because sound is distributed well to your left and right ear.
Noise-cancelling headphones
Its my first ever high-end earphones ever had. I was amazed how it cancels out 98% of background noise. And its 0 outside noise when im playing music. I couldnt even hear my friend shout at me. Bass is good, im not a boomboom person but I think its better than my GS4 generic headphones, or my Sony MDR ZX100. Definitely a steal.
Design/Build Quality
Coming from GS4, im loving my premium Z2. The glass and metal finish it has over Samsung's plastic, and horrible GS5 design, GS3 was good though. M8s design is good too, but that camera and battery . G3 is a bit big for me, and the back buttons are something that needs to get used to. Although heavy (Z2), Im getting used to it. Im using Spigen Ultra Fit case for increased grip and protection. I believe its a must for cases because the sides of the Z2 is kinda slippery. And I dont wanna scratch the back glass, lol.
User Interface and features
I find Z2 a wee bit lacking of features, like Touchwiz S-Beam. Palm tap to mute, especially calls and alarm and Smart Stay. Nevermind smart scroll and Air view stuff, they are hardly useful. The Sony UI feels light, not much bloated than Samsung. And it doesnt lag!! Unlike Samsung. Generally speaking. The UI is simple and snappy, though personally I feel its getting old/outdated. Needs to freshen up the icons and apps. With the new Quick Settings tab under notification, its a big improvement from older android versions with only limited and un-editable quick settings
Conclusion:
Coming from Galaxy S4, I am not disappointed that I ditched GS4 for Xperia Z2. With the screen improved from TFT LCD to IPS LCD, with 2 front facing stereo speakers, with the much improved camera than the previous Z1, the premium noise cancelling earphones, a premium phone made with glass and aluminum, water-proof, and ofcourse the massive 3200mAh battery. You cant go wrong buying the Xperia Z2.
Upon writing this lousy review back from a fresh shower, I just dropped my Z2 (with case ofcourse, 2nd time) from shoulder height to the floor tiles, and survived. Not a single scratch or crack.
I came from the SIII and certainly don't regret it. My main concern was the size. Whilst I have got used to it, it definitely is not pocket sized. In fact, ignoring weight and thickness it is the same size as my first ever mobile, the Ericsson Hotline EH97! Ok, the screen is a bit larger
On the plus side, the biggest improvement is the battery. I always struggled to get one day out of the SIII but get a day and a half comfortably now.
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Somnium1 said:
Ambient temp is around 30-40C (Sometimes more). Summers are hot here.
And I still can't understand.. the overheating issue occurs in 1080p videos too?? Or just for some..?
If it's only with 4K I can live with that, but 1080p... sucks.
It's weird that no serious mobile reviews mention that.(Engadget,GSMarena,etc.)
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How long do you want to shoot 1080p ? Also if you don't use stabilisation then it will last longer. But this may not always be an option you want.
Not a problem for those that shoot at half the temperature.
The thread on undervolting looks promising. There apparently is a difference with .420, maybe they will lower it further in future updates.
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While I'm talking about screen I'll say just a few things about heating, not overheating.
If you watch 4K video or shoot one, play heavy games - it'll be hot, quite hot but there'll be no apps crashing or device freezing - that's the difference between heating and overheating.
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Sounds like a fair way to draw a distinction
People tend to use it in a relative way though, this other device does not get so hot so Z2 gets hotter than them therefore it overheats.
Hi guys!!!!!I have a galaxy ace 2 and an xperia tablet z,but now its time to upgrade my phone...
Im thinking the z2 and the g3.if i put it side by side i would choose the z2 for these features
1 water proof and dust proof
2 front speakers
3 bigger battery
and of course the 3 gb ram
the experience i have from my tablet is perfect,never had a problem and has a huuuuuuge battery (6000mha)
the only thing that put me into thoughts is that everyone are saying about the poor service of sony and that is a shi**y company
.I dont see that on my tablet but i feel that i must ask you what do you think about these two phones now that they are in our hands
do you have any problems about z2? what do you think?
No problems with Z2 here, I had same dilemma I bought the Z2 over G3 because of the RAM, real world battery performance seems much better due to larger battery and no 4k screen and camera.
For me, majority of customer service are sh**tty they will try evade from warranty repair or replacement but in the case of there is a money involved im pretty sure you will be entertained. Anyway for me, I don't judge based on customer service but the product itself and updates of software. So for me, z2 is much more reliable and better than others cause of overall aesthetics, usefulness of application such as walkman, camera and movies, water resistant my how I loved this feature, and lastly the great battery life. The wishlist only I have is a better front facing camera. Qhd is just a gimmick for me I did compare from z2 and its not a really big difference to compromise the battery life. Rather had a great battery life than a little difference of display quality. I hope sony doesn't bring that qhd from z4 and unless they dont compromised size and battery.
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Z2 all the way
Great design, best battery life,good performance and of course the waterproof!!!
g3 is overrated with qHD and bigger screen!!!
what about the warming problem that many say? Any lag problem? Have you had any software upgrade?
And the last thing that im really curius,why the other brands dont make a 3 gb ram phones?(except the big and pricy G3)
in my eyes the z2 even though it is close to 1 year old phone,is equal than the g3
last question(i promise) if i take the z2 is it possible to have 3 years more with the latest firmwares(custom roms) etc
and will it be possible to run the future apps?
Ive personaly compared those 2 and i can say that the camera of the G3 is better than the Z2 (z2 makes better daylight ones tho). 2 Gb of RAM can still handle everything and it will be like that for a long time (3Gb are a showoff for now). The screen of the G3 is way better and we know why , Just the battery backup is abit worse for the G3. For videos Z2 also wins. With a mod G3 can reproduce 60fps of 1920x.. and its still laggy. I personaly can't talk about design..Z2 wins in every aspect + the waterproofness aswell as you mentioned.Speakers of Z2 are better also. Its up to you.LG have a vry friendly interface with good stuff in it and ofcourse a infrared and a vry helpful buttons on its back.
Thank you guys, I'm probably going for the z2, I ll try to watch more reviews but I think that the xperia is going to be my next phone.... Thanks again
Hello there,
After much inquiry, I've become undecided about this phone. I have been looking for a 4.7-5in phone with a good and snappy camera, battery, USA bands, and micro sd support, and the z5 compact seems to fit the bill. However, I keep reading problems about this device mainly concerning its software and camera. I really like the device given all it has to offer but I'm just not inclined to dish out $500+ on a device that has a problematic camera i.e. blurred edges caused by software or hardware, no warranty (here in the USA), over-heating, sony ui, etc. I currently have an LG G4 which absolutely meets my needs but like I said, I'm looking for a smaller phone for traveling and one hand handling.
So my question for those who own the Z5c, is it really THAT bad and will the firmware update fix the purported problems of this device? I'm concerned about the blurry edges being a hardware issue and perhaps Sony is just covering their tracks by saying that an "update" will fix that problem. If you have updated your device, could you post a sample of the fixed camera or at least let us know here?
Really appreciate your time and input!
Coming from the z1 compact and z3 compact, although I loved those phones I did find the camera sub par, and the external speaker volume too low and muffled, the front and back screens were finger print magnets and easily scratched.
But I love the compact series and put my hope and money back into the z5-compact.
Had mine for 2 weeks now (Arctic white) and I love the new design, the no finger print frosted rear glass and the front screen also just doesn't seem to attract finger prints either!, improved and much louder external speakers, the camera has improved dramatically. I have none of the reported issues of blurred edges, slow camera opening etc it's all good. Oh and the fingerprint scanner is awesome!
I love this phone to death it's perfect in my eyes. It will be hard to part with this when it comes time to upgrade to the z6 compact ☺
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Coming from the z1 compact and z3 compact, although I loved those phones I did find the camera sub par, and the external speaker volume too low and muffled, the front and back screens were finger print magnets and easily scratched.
But I love the compact series and put my hope and money back into the z5-compact.
Had mine for 2 weeks now (Arctic white) and I love the new design, the no finger print frosted rear glass and the front screen also just doesn't seem to attract finger prints either!, improved and much louder external speakers, the camera has improved dramatically. I have none of the reported issues of blurred edges, slow camera opening etc it's all good. Oh and the fingerprint scanner is awesome!
I love this phone to death it's perfect in my eyes. It will be hard to part with this when it comes time to upgrade to the z6 compact ☺
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Does the software seem good and fast? No stutters or lag?
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Does the software seem good and fast? No stutters or lag?
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There were stutters and lags, but since the last update they all are gone.
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There were stutters and lags, but since the last update they all are gone.
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I'm so confused because some say there is still lag after the update. Ugh lol
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I am one of those who would say that the lags are gone after the update. And whatever that guy said, I agree wholeheartedly. This phone is a beast. I also come from a Z3 Compact and I am loving the Z5c. Especially the camera
It was a little stuttery straight out of the box but I downloaded Sony PC companion (just googled it) and then downloaded the latest firmware 32.0.A.6.152 (it took a couple of hours, which by all reports is normal) then updated my phone.
Happy to report it is buttery smooth with no stutters or lags all super fast.
Interesting to see that the pre installed photo analyzer app (Sony) which was reportedly causing some lag, had disappeared in the latest firmware.
I hope this has helped you with your decision.
Cheers
Do you still have the blurry edges or has it been fixed?
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Do you still have the blurry edges or has it been fixed?
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99% sure it's good. You be the judge. Just a quick picture, tried to place items on every edge/corner.
I'm sitting at the park, it's dusk and a little cloudy. No flash, superior auto, 8mp.
I've had the Z5C for a week now and I can't comment too much on certain details because this is my very first Android phone - I am coming straight from a Nokia 808. The phone is compact, slick-looking, seems incredibly fast to me and I am liking the Android experience as a whole, although a few things Symbian had were simpler and more elegant (changing phone profiles, searching for contacts under phone, for instance).
The one issue I have, and that is a big one and it is so big of an issue that I registered today on XDA to ask for help, is the extremely poor photo/camera quality. I cannot understand what is going on here. This is a $600 2015 brand new release phone. Something must be wrong either with the software or hardware on my phone, which sucks since I purchased it for US operation (no warranty). I do not know how to express in words how disappointed I am with the camera. Let's just say that my 2012 Nokia 808 takes photos comparable to my SLR system. I was expecting at least equivalent photo quality from a modern/newer phone.
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I've had the Z5C for a week now and I can't comment too much on certain details because this is my very first Android phone - I am coming straight from a Nokia 808. The phone is compact, slick-looking, seems incredibly fast to me and I am liking the Android experience as a whole, although a few things Symbian had were simpler and more elegant (changing phone profiles, searching for contacts under phone, for instance).
The one issue I have, and that is a big one and it is so big of an issue that I registered today on XDA to ask for help, is the extremely poor photo/camera quality. I cannot understand what is going on here. This is a $600 2015 brand new release phone. Something must be wrong either with the software or hardware on my phone, which sucks since I purchased it for US operation (no warranty). I do not know how to express in words how disappointed I am with the camera. Let's just say that my 2012 Nokia 808 takes photos comparable to my SLR system. I was expecting at least equivalent photo quality from a modern/newer phone.
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What are your thoughts on the quick photo I posted? All standard settings in quite average light? Do you see any of the issues you are experiencing on your phone?
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What are your thoughts on the quick photo I posted? All standard settings in quite average light? Do you see any of the issues you are experiencing on your phone?
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For the resolution posted, I dont see any issues. What I see on my photos is some sort of sharpening which causes details to be lost when zooming in. And believe me, I am not even remotely pixel-peeking, just basic cropping for creative purposes.
I'll try to post some sample photos to illustrate what I am facing here.
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BB
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The one issue I have, and that is a big one and it is so big of an issue that I registered today on XDA to ask for help, is the extremely poor photo/camera quality. I cannot understand what is going on here. This is a $600 2015 brand new release phone. Something must be wrong either with the software or hardware on my phone, which sucks since I purchased it for US operation (no warranty). I do not know how to express in words how disappointed I am with the camera. Let's just say that my 2012 Nokia 808 takes photos comparable to my SLR system. I was expecting at least equivalent photo quality from a modern/newer phone.
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If you haven't already, you might want to check the main Xperia Z5 subforum about this issue, specifically this thread where they talk about the camera, and the best settings for particular lighting. It could be you have a defective camera though, and if so, I feel for ya since I also imported my device.
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If you haven't already, you might want to check the main Xperia Z5 subforum about this issue, specifically this thread where they talk about the camera, and the best settings for particular lighting. It could be you have a defective camera though, and if so, I feel for ya since I also imported my device.
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Exactly how my photos look like! Thanks for linking me to this thread, even though what I learned from it is not exactly great news!
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Exactly how my photos look like! Thanks for linking me to this thread, even though what I learned from it is not exactly great news!
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Same problem for me. It's a very expansive phone and you have to read pages of forums to understand how to make the most of it.
But still, the camera to me is a complete disaster. The app is cheap, very laggy, menus are terrible and the most improtant part, it takes poor photos.
Oversharpened and zooming in a tiny bit on a 23Mp pictures is just horrible.
The photo shared a few post back in the park is just awful too, sorry bro no offense, but it's not a defective camera it's just what is sold.
When you come from other brands, you are automatically disapointed.
P.S. videos are quite amazing though, especially in 60fps and the management of the edit app of videos is very good too.
I just switched to the nexus 5X, and there are no comparaison. Much much simpler, you don't need to test every little setting to take a good pic and zooming in is incredible, the best.
Yet I really loved the compact shape and overall build quality of the z5 device.
Comments non related to the camera is : the system is quite good as it is very similar to stock android but a little disappointed too by the performance.
I don't speak about lags and everything as it is quite fluid, but it just takes time to open or reload apps compared to my other devices.
I am still keeping the device to see if there will be improvement (there should be a major camera app update this month) but i don't believe in miracles, i don't think that will solve the pictures quality.
If you know how to use it (8mp at SA for darker scenarios, 23mp manual for bright daylight) it's been reviewed in a number of places as the best camera currently on the market. It's interesting to me how polarizing the camera is for people though. People either think it's the second coming, or the antichrist. I imagine that the improvements to the software promised with the Marshmallow update will go a long way to getting a lot of naysayers to give it a second look.
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If you know how to use it (8mp at SA for darker scenarios, 23mp manual for bright daylight) it's been reviewed in a number of places as the best camera currently on the market.
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That is a very interesting perspective on the topic; so basically it boils down to misuse by users! And I suspect this is from someone that has never even tried the phone!
Let me propose the exact opposite, and I suspect a portion (if not majority) of people complaining about the imaging performance on these Z5 phones are actually far from amateur photographers and do understand what is achievable and should be expected in terms o quality. There is no way to slice this or put a twist on it, and I don't care about DXO ratings.
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That is a very interesting perspective on the topic; so basically it boils down to misuse by users! And I suspect this is from someone that has never even tried the phone!
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No, it's certainly been by those who've tried the phone. By the looks of it you didn't get too far into that thread I previously recommended, but Timaustin2000 and a few others in that thread really turned the tone around with their investigations on the ability of the camera, and comparison shots. They've even had an influential effect on reviewers. So for instance, it wasn't till TimAustin pointed out to the reviewers at Android Authority that they were crippling the phone by using the 23mp in low light scenarios that they took into consideration the supersampling of the 8mp default settings. From there a number of other reviewers, bloggers, vloggers, and the like took a second look at the camera in the phone and tested appropriately with often very very positive results (many of these reviews and videos are also mentioned in that thread).
Let me propose the exact opposite, and I suspect a portion (if not majority) of people complaining about the imaging performance on these Z5 phones are actually far from amateur photographers and do understand what is achievable and should be expected in terms o quality. There is no way to slice this or put a twist on it, and I don't care about DXO ratings.
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From the recent reviews that I've been reading and watching, that doesn't appear to be the case, but of course, you're free to come to your own conclusions.
Haven't had much experience with the Z5C camera yet, only had it for a week.
But one thing, it takes so long to open. This is my 1St Android phone, been an ios user for around 4.5 years & the iPhones were just easier to access their camera. Slide up, click camera & it opened. On the Z5C, you press & hold the camera button, feel it vibrate, let it go... & wait.
After a second or so, the screen goes black, then the camera opens, then the screen starts to set itself up.
Just tried then & it was around 4 seconds.
I love the phone so far, but it seems to really struggle with normal usage.
By normal usage, for me, I mean it lags. Playing YouTube videos, it lags, I'm in Oz & we have an online streaming movie/TV service called Stan.... It doesn't work on the Z5.
Switching between tasks can give the phone a heart attack. For example, I was playing Clash Of Clans & some one tried to call me, the box popped down, I clicked answer & nothing happened.
I clicked answer two or three more times, before clicking back to the home screen, the phone call went to message bank while my phone locked up, went black & I had to wait around 30 seconds for it to sort itself out.
Even typing this it lags every now & then.
8 Ball Pool is laggy... If messages pop while playing, it gets even worse.
I do love the phone, I am enjoying Android (I miss a few ios advantages), but I just wish that the phone didn't feel like it was made with enough Ram to run the OS & one app at a time.
Oh... The audio is quiet, it doesn't go as loud as my iPhone 4 did, with my Bose head set & it lacks the same bass, but does sound alright.
The included Sony ear plugs are uncomfortable, have no sound advantages, have annoying different length ear cords & no volume control.
No supplied quick charger.
The back of the phone tends to get quite hot.
Sid3wayz said:
Haven't had much experience with the Z5C camera yet, only had it for a week.
But one thing, it takes so long to open. This is my 1St Android phone, been an ios user for around 4.5 years & the iPhones were just easier to access their camera. Slide up, click camera & it opened. On the Z5C, you press & hold the camera button, feel it vibrate, let it go... & wait.
After a second or so, the screen goes black, then the camera opens, then the screen starts to set itself up.
Just tried then & it was around 4 seconds.
I love the phone so far, but it seems to really struggle with normal usage.
By normal usage, for me, I mean it lags. Playing YouTube videos, it lags, I'm in Oz & we have an online streaming movie/TV service called Stan.... It doesn't work on the Z5.
Switching between tasks can give the phone a heart attack. For example, I was playing Clash Of Clans & some one tried to call me, the box popped down, I clicked answer & nothing happened.
I clicked answer two or three more times, before clicking back to the home screen, the phone call went to message bank while my phone locked up, went black & I had to wait around 30 seconds for it to sort itself out.
Even typing this it lags every now & then.
8 Ball Pool is laggy... If messages pop while playing, it gets even worse.
I do love the phone, I am enjoying Android (I miss a few ios advantages), but I just wish that the phone didn't feel like it was made with enough Ram to run the OS & one app at a time.
Oh... The audio is quiet, it doesn't go as loud as my iPhone 4 did, with my Bose head set & it lacks the same bass, but does sound alright.
The included Sony ear plugs are uncomfortable, have no sound advantages, have annoying different length ear cords & no volume control.
No supplied quick charger.
The back of the phone tends to get quite hot.
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Previous iPhone only user here too. Have you updated to the latest firmware? My camera takes about 2 seconds to come up pressing the side button since the update. Further improvements are expected with the Marshmallow update.
Also, I have no lag since the latest firmware, but I'm also using the Nova Launcher which you can get for free in the Play Store (not sure if that makes any difference or not).
I also have a problem with the volume, especially from the front speakers. Thought having two speakers instead of one, as I did on my iPhone 2G, 3G, 4S. and 6S would make it louder, but it's not. Still, honestly, I don't find it much quieter than those devices either. the 6S was maybe a tick louder, but not by much. I still want more punch from the front speakers, and I'm hoping that's something I can fix by doing some sort of ROM tweak. If not, I suppose I can live with it, but its the biggest disappointment about the device for me, not because its so much quieter than my iPhone devices, but because it doesn't stand head and shoulders above them.
I don't know about you, but my Sony ear plugs are way way wayyyyy more comfortable than my iPhone headphones. In fact, they're the most comfortable in-ear headphones I've ever worn. The different length on the cords I don't really have much issue with, since I usually drape the longest cord behind my head to my right ear (which is how I'm assuming they're meant to be worn). I will admit that they seem slightly cheap-ish, and I was hoping that where the volume button was (which I DO have on my pair) also had a mic so I could answer in-coming calls, but overall, I think they're pretty okay. Again, they're much more comfortable than the headphones that came with my iPhones. As far as loudness in the headphones is concerned, they're loud enough, but I definitely wouldn't mind if they were louder. I'll probably end up getting some sort of thin amp/dac like the dragonfly or the Aqua to boost the volume. Shame I have to do that, but oh well.
Again, its interesting to me how varied people's reactions are to this device. I'm FAR more happier with this device than I am my previous iPhones. Its not perfect, but it hits so many of the checkboxes for me that its hard to complain.
Edit: Oh, also, I got a quick charger with my device, but I bought the Taiwan version, so maybe that accounts for the difference in headphones and charger.
Lastly, after the initial setup, and especially after the update, my phone doesn't get very hot. Maybe I'm not using the same intensive programs that you are, though. The phone gets a little warm with Candy Crush and Asphalt 8, but my iPhone 6S also got pretty hot just using the camera (which is something my mother noticed when I handed her the phone to see some pictures).
First some background:
I've been doing a lot of reading on the Z5C since I'm torn between buying the Z5C or the X Compact. Here in Sweden the phones basically cost the same (the XC is 30 dollars more expensive) so the price is not the issue, but I'm still leaning towards the Z5C since it's waterproof, has the 4k and has mods.
To my question:
The downsides of the Z5c that I read about are that 1) battery isn't great 2) it gets hot 3) photos can be blurred on the edges -> can these issues be eliminated/minimized by rooting and using current camera mods?
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First some background:
I've been doing a lot of reading on the Z5C since I'm torn between buying the Z5C or the X Compact. Here in Sweden the phones basically cost the same (the XC is 30 dollars more expensive) so the price is not the issue, but I'm still leaning towards the Z5C since it's waterproof, has the 4k and has mods.
To my question:
The downsides of the Z5c that I read about are that 1) battery isn't great 2) it gets hot 3) photos can be blurred on the edges -> can these issues be eliminated/minimized by rooting and using current camera mods?
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My answer is yes. But consider others opinion as well.
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My answer is yes. But consider others opinion as well.
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Thanks! Options like what? After battery and camera, size is the most important thing.
I had a z3c (loved it), it broke and I bought a Oneplus X which is 5" and it's already too big.. I can't really find any worthy alternative when looking at below 5" phones
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Thanks! Options like what? After battery and camera, size is the most important thing.
I had a z3c (loved it), it broke and I bought a Oneplus X which is 5" and it's already too big.. I can't really find any worthy alternative when looking at below 5" phones
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According to me 4.6 inch is the best screen size. It is the one of the main reason i opt to this cell.
Xperia X Compact has laser autofocus and new RGB-IR sensor whicn is quite awesome.. but the ugly thing is that it does not have 4K recording and water resistance. So if 4K and Water-resistantance is not your concern. For that price i recommend you to pick X Compact.
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According to me 4.6 inch is the best screen size. It is the one of the main reason i opt to this cell.
Xperia X Compact has laser autofocus and new RGB-IR sensor whicn is quite awesome.. but the ugly thing is that it does not have 4K recording and water resistance. So if 4K and Water-resistantance is not your concern. For that price i recommend you to pick X Compact.
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I forgot, root with DRM patch/workaround is almost the most important thing of all.. might be months before we get that on the X.
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I forgot, root with DRM patch/workaround is almost the most important thing of all.. might be months before we get that on the X.
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Well that's a good point! Now it's up to you. X Or Z :silly: :laugh:
z5c has crap mic, same on my friends phone.
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z5c has crap mic, same on my friends phone.
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ok, but what about the issues I wrote about above?
No, these problems cannot be solved with mods.
1) it gets hot rarely in normal use, but if you use heavy games it could become REALLY hot. It's Snapdragon 810 no way around it. Either you decrease CPU power (as the thermal engine does) or you keep it hot in these occasions.
2) As you know, water resistance isn't really there until you test it in realworld conditions. There's at least one story (and many in the Z3 line) about water damaged Z5 line phones. So I would not consider it a great advantage of the Z5 line over the X line, but it's just my opinion.
3) Battery (particularly, idle battery drain) got a big improvement with MM 6.0.1. You can probably reach 1,5 days with normal use.
4) margin blur is there on my device, but it is not serious and i can see it only if i focus on that. Other users had serious blur issues. I don't know any kind of mod that can solve this problem, as it seems hw related. I might be wrong, though.
4) for that price i would buy Xperia X compact, especially for the +1 GB of RAM
If you mind root and warranty, however, i must remember to you that root exploit for TA partition backup was gained after 7 months, by a developer from the Z3 scene that was kind enough to work on it after receiving the exploit skeleton from another member of xda. I have no idea about the Xperia X scene here on xda, but you have a little chance of not seeing a working root exploit ever or for many months if no developer with hacking skills appears on the scene. I'm speaking about this considering the X line like the previous Z5 line, in terms of bootloader, TA partition and Sony warranty management.
I love the phone concept and phone elements of the Sony phones: the wrist strap, the real camera, the micro-card memory, the screen, the size, the build, blah blah blah. The battery life and heating issues are fatal flaws. Screen brightness is probably a flaw for me here in Indonesia. I lived with a Sony travel camera for a few years where I learned to accurately estimate what I was shooting, because I couldn't see the shot on the screen in the sunlight. When Sony solves battery life, heating, and screen brightness... count me in.
I could agree partially on battery life and heating.
I have none of those issue or at least they are not fatal to me.
I end the day around 20% battery with 6 hour screen on time (and playing some CPU/GPU intensive game) and i have no overheating issue. I feel more heat only when charging during play with the option to bypass battery when you play and charge.
the sunlight issue is a common issue, and it can't be solved. Even pretty much every pro Reflex and mirrorless have visibility issue of the display if you use it in sunlight.
Thanks for the intelligent reply. I am encouraged to continue with your response. I am quite exacting in my needs this purchase. On the other hand, is it too much to ask of 1 phone? I don't game and am very careful to manage battery draining apps. But I do want to be able to spend time long periods on Goofle maps for nav, 40 K bike trips, video & photo, and WhatsApp for communication in Bali without carrying 2 phones and lots of gear with me . I also listen extensively to classical music concerts that I collect. I'll take a look at the phones in Singapore in Jan-Feb but I do want to be able to see what I am shooting on the camera / video apps. I do have a predisposition for the Sony as I must say though, poor battery life and over heating is boring. Do the engineers real life test the pre-production builds? The other thing is that time is on my side. I would expect large sensors be a big part of 2022 offerings. I temper that grass is greener 2022 thought though. I don't care for the processed photo/video looks of other manufacturers.
If they managed to solve all those with a perceptible increase in the already hard to swallow price, will you still go for it?
The heat is all Qualcomms fault. The only thing Sony can do is install a more effective heatsink, at the cost of higher price and thicker body. it is well know that Qualcomm is not caring about heat management at all in the last few generations of their socs and this wont change anytime soon seeing they have an effective monopoly. You simply have no other choice if you want a soc for a flagship camera phone.
The screen is hard to say. The only way to fix this is that they should stop using their 4k screens. I believe the main issue is that this is a very small niche. There are some people that maybe can enjoy such a high dpi screen to its fullest. Because they are the only brand buying up supplies of such small 4k screens, they can't really pour in that much money into RnD to their screen supplier. They have to take whatever their supplier offers them. The supplier will demand alot more RnD money compared to other screens, seeing that once they invest time and money into improving their tech further, in the end the only customer is Sony, they have to recoup all their costs somehow.
Losing their 4k screen however loses their niche market attraction, which is what Sony is riding on now. I doubt they'd abandon it and just slowly accept whatever minor improvements they get from newer 4k screens, if they get any. Without catering to this niche, why would you buy a Sony?
Lastly, the battery life. This is mainly tied to Sonys choice of 4k screen. And I'm not just talking about the resolution or the fact it only runs a fixed 120hz. Im talking about the overall power consumption of the entire screen system. There are many other components that make up a screen, contributing to its power consumption. As mentioned above, without pouring more money into RnD to improve power consumption of the screen, Sony is stuck with whatever they are supplied with.
All this can of course be remedied faster with money. Are you willing to pay for an even more bigger price increase when such an improved phone comes? So many of Sonys advantages mentioned above, you notice they are not available on nearly all other flagship phones. Being a niche, means they have less power to dictate the prices of those components. The other option is to drop all those Sony niceties you mentioned, which will give more RnD money, more chassis space for a bigger battery and better cooling, as well as getting better power efficient components that are mass produced to perfection.
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I for one, will still buy a Sony phone when the time comes even though those same disadvantages are there. They are not fatal. It is something we deal with. I rather deal with those and keep all the nice things Sony still have on their phones, rather than deal with the lack of those things on other phones, which for me is a real deal breaker.
Thanks for the very detailed and intelligent comments. Chips: Yah, SDragon deosn't give a rat's ass about heat generation. Let's see if Sony responds in coming iterations with a heat sink and if SDragon can breath less fire. But, didn't Apple, Goofle, and reportedly other phone makers design their own chips. Certainly Apple has killed it with their new chips. Goofle I think is demonstrating that less power and performance are possible with some of their recent and phones.
Niche phone: Yes it is. And they are assembling components like many other makers. I don't know their unit numbers, but the numbers probably break fractions below 1%.
Fatal: OK. Not fatal. You have a point and all the comments have been moving me that way. So I have taken the moved Sony off the fatal list and back to the living choices. I probably won't get to the Sony store in Singapore until late January or early February. And who knows with the pandemic travel rule changes. Maybe Sony will put out another iteration to really confuse me! Best. Thanks again.
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Thanks for the intelligent reply. I am encouraged to continue with your response. I am quite exacting in my needs this purchase. On the other hand, is it too much to ask of 1 phone? I don't game and am very careful to manage battery draining apps. But I do want to be able to spend time long periods on Goofle maps for nav, 40 K bike trips, video & photo, and WhatsApp for communication in Bali without carrying 2 phones and lots of gear with me . I also listen extensively to classical music concerts that I collect. I'll take a look at the phones in Singapore in Jan-Feb but I do want to be able to see what I am shooting on the camera / video apps. I do have a predisposition for the Sony as I must say though, poor battery life and over heating is boring. Do the engineers real life test the pre-production builds? The other thing is that time is on my side. I would expect large sensors be a big part of 2022 offerings. I temper that grass is greener 2022 thought though. I don't care for the processed photo/video looks of other manufacturers.
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Same here. I really don't want photo processing made by the camera application. The less processing made before saving the photo the better. I usually take photo with manual with only RAW file when photo quality matter. I use basic/auto with jpeg only when i have to photograph documents or other stuff for work.
Btw yeah, this SD with the 4k display are an issue when using phone a lot. I was used to keep BT and GPS off when not using it but i imagine that if someone use a lot gmaps that's a problem. screen always on plus GPS could kill your battery juice very fast.
Real life test? NOPE, never. That's the same of MPG or KPL on cars. I NEVER, and i say NEVER drived a car that is coherent with carmakers declaration XD
Same for phones. Probably they all think that people use phones something like 2 hours per day XD
Evil_Sephiroth said:
Same here. I really don't want photo processing made by the camera application. The less processing made before saving the photo the better. I usually take photo with manual with only RAW file when photo quality matter. I use basic/auto with jpeg only when i have to photograph documents or other stuff for work.
Btw yeah, this SD with the 4k display are an issue when using phone a lot. I was used to keep BT and GPS off when not using it but i imagine that if someone use a lot gmaps that's a problem. screen always on plus GPS could kill your battery juice very fast.
Real life test? NOPE, never. That's the same of MPG or KPL on cars. I NEVER, and i say NEVER drived a car that is coherent with carmakers declaration XD
Same for phones. Probably they all think that people use phones something like 2 hours per day XD
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Hahaha... I carefully learned to restrict applications unless I am using the app on the first 3 Goofle phones I owned. I don't think those phones had any battery at all. That brings us to the big takeaway here. Xperia gives us many legacy items that never should have been taken away: the. 3.5 audio jack, micro catd memory, audiophile listening camera button.... Why not a replaceable battery in the next iteration?
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Hahaha... I carefully learned to restrict applications unless I am using the app on the first 3 Goofle phones I owned. I don't think those phones had any battery at all. That brings us to the big takeaway here. Xperia gives us many legacy items that never should have been taken away: the. 3.5 audio jack, micro catd memory, audiophile listening camera button.... Why not a replaceable battery in the next iteration?
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replaceable battery are TOP, but with all the "new" recent features like water resistant, wireless charging and aluminium/glass body it's a problem.
A removable rear could lead to lot of problem for normal user in opening the device to change battery, the same go for removing the display to access the battery, too many possibility to tear the flat cables.
Another issue is that people want slim phones and a removable battery, even if a little could lead phones to be a little thicker.
I will exchange a little more thickness with a swappable battery anytime, but that's just me.
Jesu Krikey. You are an engineer's worst nightmare. Don't over think this. You obviously never had a phone with a removable battery.
You peel the back off and chuck the live charged replacement cells in for the dead ones then put the back on again. Then we can make money selling waterproof cases for the stupid phone and a charging case. It's a slam dunk. We can also sell crap replacement batteries so the punters have to keep ordering more. I already made up at leat 2 new businesses. Like I say, "slam dunk." Shouldn't we talk to marketing about this?
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Jesu Krikey. You are an engineer's worst nightmare. Don't over think this. You obviously never had a phone with a removable battery.
You peel the back off and chuck the live charged replacement cells in for the dead ones then put the back on again. Then we can make money selling waterproof cases for the stupid phone and a charging case. It's a slam dunk. We can also sell crap replacement batteries so the punters have to keep ordering more. I already made up at leat 2 new businesses. Like I say, "slam dunk." Shouldn't we talk to marketing about this?
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Ahahahahah i work in the repair business for computer and phones as an ACIT and ACMT certified technician for Apple now and before for Dell. When off work i just make the same work for friends and people willing to pay a little less, and that's why i'm overthinking about this (Brain burned from disambly and assembly hardware all day from 18 to 34 year right now.
Mmmmh i think that some (Famous) company already arrived before you on crap replacement to earn more Ahahahahhaha
All this tech stuff needs a Saturday Night Live subsidiary. We take it all too too seriously. And the companies take our money too easily. Going to sleep here in Bali. We're all ways at least 13 hours ahead of you punters. Stay in touch. Best.
hi everyone,
i need to know about mobile signal and downloads, using 4g or 5g please
as we know sony xperia 1 ii had lots of mobile signal issue
thanks
alleshi said:
hi everyone,
i need to know about mobile signal and downloads, using 4g or 5g please
as we know sony xperia 1 ii had lots of mobile signal issue
thanks
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In Italy no signal problem with the main operator under 4G. 5G lack signal coverage in lot of area then i can't help you on that
Evil_Sephiroth said:
In Italy no signal problem with the main operator under 4G. 5G lack signal coverage in lot of area then i can't help you on that
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thank you my friend
marcus01432 said:
I love the phone concept and phone elements of the Sony phones: the wrist strap, the real camera, the micro-card memory, the screen, the size, the build, blah blah blah. The battery life and heating issues are fatal flaws. Screen brightness is probably a flaw for me here in Indonesia. I lived with a Sony travel camera for a few years where I learned to accurately estimate what I was shooting, because I couldn't see the shot on the screen in the sunlight. When Sony solves battery life, heating, and screen brightness... count me in.
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True all you have said.
Sadly, sony is not interested in solving the problems. Same problems are with xperias since years and I can tell you they did literally NOTHING to fix it. Poor screen brightness and battery life is something Sony is known for in mobile industry. They also decided to cut the costs on software hence removed almost all the apps we loved.
Nowadays not that much is still "xperia". It's rather chinese random device with ugly stock Android and "sony" name glued to it.
They still are not able to add 21:9 mode in pictures which is their screen sie lol! So you have to take shots with huge black bars on the left and right. That's really stupid...
Brightness there were rumors mark 3 will be 1300nits brightness. Ended with little over 600 that is one of the worst results in industry.
If you add huge price all together will result in sales and tell you where sony is positioned in global market share. I think it is 0.2%?
Not all is bad with these devices but for sure there are better options. Especially in software. It degrade each year more and more.
In past they copied new iteration of Android from google to their flagship device in December, before year end. And this year where is it? December ending and there's no any word on it ...
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Hahaha... I carefully learned to restrict applications unless I am using the app on the first 3 Goofle phones I owned. I don't think those phones had any battery at all. That brings us to the big takeaway here. Xperia gives us many legacy items that never should have been taken away: the. 3.5 audio jack, micro catd memory, audiophile listening camera button.... Why not a replaceable battery in the next iteration?
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3.5 audio? I tried to use it with older sony headphones that has jack a d it does not work at all. Stating "device not compatible". Why? Because new mark 3 degraded audio jack and it no longer supports noise cancelling hence any headphones that has additional pin for noise cancelling will not work... Hence it's useless. You can throw away all your noise cancelling jack headphones into garbage.
All of this thank's to sony!
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Thanks for the intelligent reply. I am encouraged to continue with your response. I am quite exacting in my needs this purchase. On the other hand, is it too much to ask of 1 phone? I don't game and am very careful to manage battery draining apps. But I do want to be able to spend time long periods on Goofle maps for nav, 40 K bike trips, video & photo, and WhatsApp for communication in Bali without carrying 2 phones and lots of gear with me . I also listen extensively to classical music concerts that I collect. I'll take a look at the phones in Singapore in Jan-Feb but I do want to be able to see what I am shooting on the camera / video apps. I do have a predisposition for the Sony as I must say though, poor battery life and over heating is boring. Do the engineers real life test the pre-production builds? The other thing is that time is on my side. I would expect large sensors be a big part of 2022 offerings. I temper that grass is greener 2022 thought though. I don't care for the processed photo/video looks of other manufacturers.
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Large sensors?
Don't you know sony cannot make a good camera that takes best pictures?
They included physically 1" sensor in xperia Pro-I and geuess what? They failed again as they packed it with 12MPx only which means camera can only make use of part of entire 1" sensor ... Entire world is laughing. What a shame such a flop.
They constantly make flops here and there, many old issues not fixed. A lot of advertising on their cameras used in Xperias and results are still worse than those made by shamesung or apple. And Pro-I has no any proper zoom. But does it hurts? For some for sure. But looking how poor is max 4.4x zoom from mark III not sure it is worth. They should use proper zoom as huawei does with mirrors. Old P30 Pro still has better camera and zoom than mark 3 :/
They had their great 960fps memory stacked camera that was great, only xperia gad it with 1080p. Instead of packing it with software that can combine each of those short videos into one with nice transitions between they did what? Removed it from next xperia...
Sad but true.
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They still are not able to add 21:9 mode in pictures which is their screen sie lol! So you have to take shots with huge black bars on the left and right. That's really stupid...
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The Cinema Pro system application creates 21: 9 images
Great, you need to start recording video in separate app that in order to take a "screenshot" of 21:9. Not to mention all possibilities / adjustments available in Photo Pro are not available there...
Thank's but that's not what I need.
Looks like it is a huge challenge for sony devs and business to make such decision to add 21:9 ratio to Photo Pro app... + ...
Pathetic.
no need to start recording a video