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I thought the galaxy s2 had gorilla glass? Got two tiny scratches on the screen, kinda pissed because the phone is so new there are no screen protectors available.
I keep my phone in a pouch in my pocket, I thought this gorilla glass was unscratchable????
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Sharp object is the probable case of scratch but odd as its in a case .
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a key in your pocket might not scratch the screen, but some grains of sand for example can really mess with it.
even gorilla glass doesn't help against sand grains.
I keep repeating this... but you most likely scratched off some of the oleophobic coating, not the actual screen. It may look like scratches in certain angles or under certain light, but I bet you it's the coating.
dinan said:
I keep repeating this... but you most likely scratched off some of the oleophobic coating, not the actual screen. It may look like scratches in certain angles or under certain light, but I bet you it's the coating.
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So really hard glass covered by an easily scratched coating. If true, is there an easy, cheap fix? If not, then sounds like a screen protector is a good idea, even if the glass itself never scratches. Which kind of defeats the purpose of the Gorilla glass and the coating.
Nothing is unscratchable, unbreakable, unbeatable. GorillaGlass has the advatage of being resistant to the "usual" sources of scratching, but dust and sand are tricky bastards, that practically surrounds us and our precious phones.
When I first got my galaxy s, as careful as I was I still managed to get a few small scratches on it within the span of a few days. The only way to see them was when the screen was very clean and there was a direct source of light on it. Looking back it probably was a bit of sand or something sand like.
I ended up getting an sgp ultra clear protector. I would really recommend it once its out. But don't worry about small scratches. As long as you don't notice them when the screens on will be fine.
I think I'll end up cleaning my pockets religiously once I get my s2.
I think we all want to keep our babies scratch- and fingerprint free. With protectors, cloths and cases we make our best effords. On the other hand, not many of us keep our phones for more than a year (I had my SGS for six months before switching to the SGS2). So, for whom are we keeping the display in mint condition? The next buyer? I'm not saying that we all should throw our phones in pockets full of sand, keys and rusty nails, I'm just saying that common sense will keep our displays away from serious harm. To get annoyed over scratches that are only visible in bright, artificial light is probably not healthy.
MrDeacon said:
Nothing is unscratchable, unbreakable, unbeatable. GorillaGlass has the advatage of being resistant to the "usual" sources of scratching, but dust and sand are tricky bastards, that practically surrounds us and our precious phones.
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I understand. I have a Gorilla glass phone and have always used a screen protector. Mostly because I read many user reports very shortly after the phone came out about getting scratches for no apparent reason. I can't know if it was the coating or the glass itself that got scratched.
My point was if they coat Gorilla glass with a more easily scratchable film, and you have to cover it with a protector anyway then the purpose of the hard glass and the oleophobic coating are both pretty much defeated. Unless you prefer to go naked, have less fingerprints and put up with the scratches. There really needs to be a coating that's as hard as the glass.
I use a protector because it's easily replaced, so new surface cheap and simple anytime I need. Without it scratches seem difficult and/or expensive to fix.
I agree. But it becomes somewhat ridiculous when we're just stepping up on the screen protection ladder. So, we have GorillaGlass, which is protecting our display from scratches. Then we're putting on a screen protector to avoid scratching the scratch protective glass. And just in case, let's put the phone in a leather case or a pouch, so not to harm the screen protector. It's like having sex wearing three condoms; you will be safe as hell, but the feeling and the experience will be practically non-existent.
I was almost certain that the whole point of Gorilla Glass was to provide a stronger glass to prevent the screen from breaking upon impact - say, dropping the phone.
I've seen a billion iPhone 3GS's with shattered screens (wtf teens?!!!?).
Gorilla Glass is supposed to stop that from happening. It will scratch as easily as anything else.
Thanks for the feedback, one question tho. I've read that you can get rid of scratches on glass using some Cerium Oxide paste, has anyone tried it?
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I was almost certain that the whole point of Gorilla Glass was to provide a stronger glass to prevent the screen from breaking upon impact - say, dropping the phone.
I've seen a billion iPhone 3GS's with shattered screens (wtf teens?!!!?).
Gorilla Glass is supposed to stop that from happening. It will scratch as easily as anything else.
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Corning says increased scratch resistance is one of its features, as well as the break resistance you mention.
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/faqs/all?page=1
"Gorilla Glass is better able to survive the real-world events that most commonly cause glass to scratch, chip, or break."
http://pdf.directindustry.com/pdf/corning/gorilla-glass-product-information-sheet/12631-67069.html
"High resistance to scratch damage"
But if they put an oleophobic coating on it the scratch resistance is nearly pointless. So you're rationale could make the most sense.
I agree that sand can really mess it up. My S2 has a scratch on the screen which can only be explained by sand from the beach. Even though I never brought my phone to the beach, it may have gotten inbetween my Samsung leather flip case somewhere, sometime, somehow in my shorts pocket.
I keep my phone away from small change and keys and all of a sudden, there is a small 3mm scratch near the middle to the right.
Honestly though? Everything about this phone is better than my old Motorola Milestone (which has been to many beaches), but the Milestone's glass touchscreen seems more durable.
So note to everyone with an S2 in a case: apparently sand can destroy the screen.
Wow i just noticed today ...I got the screen at the perfect angle of light & my screen is riddled with 1 inch scratches
I treat my GS2 like my baby ...it only goes in & out of my pocket
This is what made me to literally throw my iPhone in the garbage & I stopped developing for iPhone ...because of there marketing lies
I am developing a website to expose Samsung of all there lies ....it is probably totally true that Samsung endorses/pays/ gives people free devices to make YouTube videos .....To mislead people into thinking that Gorilla Glass doesn't scratch .....a crock of [email protected]%t !!
If I put my device in a series of angles I can see......mmmmmmmmmmmm 2 very, very tiny scratches. It takes like 10 min in proper light to spot them.
BTW: I did try to scratch it with a couple of keys back in may to show off; nailed it.
Actually rethinking ....I shouldn't be so hard on Samsung ...there maybe other factors involved ..that are sensible
& Corning/Gorilla glass is manufactured by Corning ...so it's not really "assumed" Samsungs fault for claiming that it is unscratchable !
But was wrong .....its Corning that claims there glass is unscratchable ...lol
Yes sand would scratch for sure ...but is it only sand !? ..or other rock particles ....metal doesn't seem to do anything ...maybe depending on type of metal ....winter road salt ?
Ehhm a key ..i think is way to blunt to scratch .....it could be from hitting the metal rivets on front jean pockets ...when sliding it out of my pocket ...but those are blunt also
Or so i either have sand in my pants or diamond particles :silly:
Just put a plastic tub on top of my phone by accident, was nothing in it so there was no weight in it. Then I looked at my phone and now there are really fine scratches, you cant feel them with your finger nails and has to be good lighting but they are there. I've seen people try to scratch this glass with keys and knifes, yet laying a plastic box on it has caused minor scratches.
I have to believe there is some sort of coating on the glass, probably oleophobic, that is showing these scratches. The only thing that can scratch glass is something harder than glass on the Mohs scale. And plastic certainly isn't one of them. That being said, it still sucks and makes the phone look bad. I wonder if the coating can be removed...
Apparently you can re-coat it but probably a specialist job and doubt you'll find many company's doing it for at least a few years.
To me it is just ridiculous to go through all that research and development to create a scratch proof glass then coat it with a substance that is easily scratched. It kind of defeats the purposes doesn't it?
You can buff scratches out.
how and what with ?
I'm getting more and more concerned about this "new and improved" GG2. I have had incredibles with no case and throw it around left and right with no screen cracks and barely scuffs.
I wouldn't try buffing them out if I were you. I read that one xda member tried this on his phone and stuffed it up completely.
Ok I've decided the Samsung galaxy S3 glass is useless. My dad works in a double glazing factory which is dusty and full things that could scratch his HTC sensation screen, yet his phone is scratch free. Mine I never put it anywhere other then my pocket except for the one miss hap. Yet my phone has acquired more screen scratches. It's so irritation, they are not deep they are only noticeable in full sunlight when the screen is clear from finger prints.
A sells guy at a samsung showroom was bragging about how strong the screen is by hitting it with his keys... I took the phone, angled it towards the light and I could clearly see deep scratches.
Glass being scratched only by harder elements is only a myth. Even dust can scratch it, just have a closer look at your car's windshield, it's probably full of scratches yet you never rub it with a diamond.
You must have sand or other fine particles in your pocket. Keys and such shouldn't be your biggest worry, most glass resists scratches from these. Sand and other fine particles is where you are screwed.
While I'm sure everyone is aware of the difficulties in scratching a Gorilla Glass scratches, I have recently discovered the keyboard dock's ability to hold pieces of sand nightly on the glass. Because it is not the tightest joint, the wiggling leads to scratches. Like the tiny one I now have.
TL;DR: Be sure to clean the keyboard dock joint DAILY to prevent scratches.
Parastie said:
While I'm sure everyone is aware of the difficulties in scratching a Gorilla Glass scratches, I have recently discovered the keyboard dock's ability to hold pieces of sand nightly on the glass. Because it is not the tightest joint, the wiggling leads to scratches. Like the tiny one I now have.
TL;DR: Be sure to clean the keyboard dock joint DAILY to prevent scratches.
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Its no secret GG doesnt scratch with metal from keys or blades because the glass is harder than the blade. It WILL, however, be abraised by sand or even gritty dust. (Dont think sand box, think pocket lint or random dust like what might be picked up from every day uses)
How many times must it be said? your screen is not indistructable. Use a screen protector, be cautious of where things move against it.
pileot said:
Its no secret GG doesnt scratch with metal from keys or blades because the glass is harder than the blade. It WILL, however, be abraised by sand or even gritty dust. (Dont think sand box, think pocket lint or random dust like what might be picked up from every day uses)
How many times must it be said? your screen is not indistructable. Use a screen protector, be cautious of where things move against it.
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then explain how my SGSII with the same gorilla glass has 0 scratches on it and I have had it longer with no screen protector and use it daily in my pocket, in the car thrown around compared to my prime that scratches when you practically blow on it?
the gorilla glass on the prime stinks compared to other devices, its like they cheaped out and either didn't coat the glass or coated it too lightly to save money.
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then explain how my SGSII with the same gorilla glass has 0 scratches on it and I have had it longer with no screen protector and use it daily in my pocket, in the car thrown around compared to my prime that scratches when you practically blow on it?
the gorilla glass on the prime stinks compared to other devices, its like they cheaped out and either didn't coat the glass or coated it too lightly to save money.
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Yeah, because the Prime uses a cheaper version of Gorilla glass , right....
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then explain how my SGSII with the same gorilla glass has 0 scratches on it and I have had it longer with no screen protector and use it daily in my pocket, in the car thrown around compared to my prime that scratches when you practically blow on it?
the gorilla glass on the prime stinks compared to other devices, its like they cheaped out and either didn't coat the glass or coated it too lightly to save money.
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No, I don't think it stinks. You take your SGII and place a piece of sand on it with a sheet of metal holding the sand to the glass. Now, move the metal bank and forth for about 5 minutes (remember to use light pressure) in a spot about 1mm in diameter. Now tell me if you get a scratch. I'll bet you do, and that's what happens when you have sand in the dock socket.
So i have read rants on the Z1 having self breaking glass, and alittle on the ultra. Most of the threads on the ultra though have been, slight to moderate abuse (sat on)(backpack of stuff) causing breaks. Not the classic Z1 of "took phone out of front pocket". My normal routine is only having the phone in my front pocket when going from my desk to the car. Other than that its on my desk or left in my car (i hate walking around with a phone in my pants).
Mines coming this week and i kinda want to take some preventive steps, and wondering if sony really is replacing "not blown to bits" screens under warranty in at least the USA.
I hear it comes with a factory "screen protector" that you should leave on, and put another screen protector on top of it. Is that true or is the factory protector just the stock "tabbed" film that should be removed right after opening the box? I have a front/back screen protector coming, but wanted to know if i should peel off the factory one first.
nightanole said:
So i have read rants on the Z1 having self breaking glass, and alittle on the ultra. Most of the threads on the ultra though have been, slight to moderate abuse (sat on)(backpack of stuff) causing breaks. Not the classic Z1 of "took phone out of front pocket". My normal routine is only having the phone in my front pocket when going from my desk to the car. Other than that its on my desk or left in my car (i hate walking around with a phone in my pants).
Mines coming this week and i kinda want to take some preventive steps, and wondering if sony really is replacing "not blown to bits" screens under warranty in at least the USA.
I hear it comes with a factory "screen protector" that you should leave on, and put another screen protector on top of it. Is that true or is the factory protector just the stock "tabbed" film that should be removed right after opening the box? I have a front/back screen protector coming, but wanted to know if i should peel off the factory one first.
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one year in, and no glass breaking
your routine won't break the phone, i'm sure
screen protector, i have one on top of the anti shatter film provided with the phone, both front and back, and both scratched to hell, but too lazy to replace
Definitely put a aftermarket screen protector over the anti shatter film. The ASF is too soft, but is a pain in the arse to remove by all accounts
I've had my ZU for about 9 months now and have dropped it 3 times onto concrete, once without any screen proctor or case, the other two times has been with a wallet/flip case. The last time I dropped it the case even broke - still the screen is intact.
I too thought it wont happen to mine, till it really did, of course it's not self breaking glass for no reason, but more likely the most logical reason I could think of is, the stress accumulated from the daily use, a bit of pressure while in pocket, or backpack, along with the heat / cold temperature, whatever other bull crap from regular use, over a period of time, that stress cause the glass to be broken.
I pretty much babied my Z Ultra, have back casing, Glass M on the front, Skinomi on the back, never dropped, all in like new condition. Then last Sunday I was on my bike ride, put it inside my backpack, along with my wallet, then couple hours later, took it out from my backpack only to find the glass, under the M Glass screen protector, under the original ASF, has a hairline crack, and pretty much as good as brick, since it wont register any touch, I can see a call coming in, but cant answer it since the display doesnt work.
OP said it happens with Z1, I read that it happens with Z2, and it happens with my Z Ultra, so I think it's just something on their glass quality along with their full glass design, it is impacting a small number of them, not all, just small number, but still the problem indeed does exists.
But I still buy another Z Ultra in a heart beat without much thinking, as a matter of fact already got another one from expensys, with the price is so cheap now, the smoothness, the crisp display, the waterproofness, it still worth every penny.
Mine broke in the pocket, and so did others.
It can break. But with that said, the risk yours will break in the pocket with no abuse is small.
Sony aren't very consistent in handling these cases. Sometimes they get it fixed on warranty, sometimes they're not. But if you get a first negative answer just send in a complaint and they might turn around (as in my case).
I just got mine back. I had the asf removed on the previous one, I'm not taking it off now. And I'm doubling up with tempered glass protectors.
i personally recommend removal of the anti shater layer, if you live in humid climates, as it can cause the residual moisture and oils from your fingers to cause key presses. i had a bad issue with this till i spend an hour with a razor blade removing it.
some people also claim that removing the layer voids your warranty, but i had the phone replaced about a month back with my extended warranty and had no issues with replacement regardless of having the film removed.
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i personally recommend removal of the anti shater layer, if you live in humid climates, as it can cause the residual moisture and oils from your fingers to cause key presses. i had a bad issue with this till i spend an hour with a razor blade removing it.
some people also claim that removing the layer voids your warranty, but i had the phone replaced about a month back with my extended warranty and had no issues with replacement regardless of having the film removed.
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There is so much wrong with this post.
boystuff said:
i personally recommend removal of the anti shater layer, if you live in humid climates, as it can cause the residual moisture and oils from your fingers to cause key presses. i had a bad issue with this till i spend an hour with a razor blade removing it.
some people also claim that removing the layer voids your warranty, but i had the phone replaced about a month back with my extended warranty and had no issues with replacement regardless of having the film removed.
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i live right on the equator, and have not had any problems with this (i also use a screen protector on top of the antishatter film). do you mean to say by removing the anti-shatter film, the glass doesn't pick up any fingerprints and oil? a screen can only be oleophobic for so long.
To those who have had the screen crack in their pockets: were you using a hard case to provide rigidity to the device?
I also just received a Z Ultra and read through the massive threads on Sony's forums on these problems. It just seems the device is so thin it has too much flex in the pocket. I'm even hesitant to use the leather flipstyle case if it doesn'tt provide enough rigidity.
I'm thinking maybe the aluminum bumper case with GlassM protectors on both sides would work nicely together. Hopefully the aluminum won't degrade the signal quality too harshly.
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To those who have had the screen crack in their pockets: were you using a hard case to provide rigidity to the device?
I also just received a Z Ultra and read through the massive threads on Sony's forums on these problems. It just seems the device is so thin it has too much flex in the pocket. I'm even hesitant to use the leather flipstyle case if it doesn'tt provide enough rigidity.
I'm thinking maybe the aluminum bumper case with GlassM protectors on both sides would work nicely together. Hopefully the aluminum won't degrade the signal quality too harshly.
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Those hair thin aluminum bumper cases wont do squat, the thick glassM m shields wont do squat. The device is just too long and think. Your best bet is to treat it like a full size tablet. Dont sit with it in your pocket, dont put it in your bag without being in a separate compartment. The poor thing is like 1/4" thick and made out of aluminum and glass. I still dont know why they choose this glass. I can take my droid incredible with gorilla glass and pound the screen on the corner of a desk over and over, no scratches. This sony phone just doesnt have any flex for the glass.
I just through an iLLumiShield on the front and back so i can throw it on the table and not worry about scratches.
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Those hair thin aluminum bumper cases wont do squat, the thick glassM m shields wont do squat. The device is just too long and think. Your best bet is to treat it like a full size tablet. Dont sit with it in your pocket, dont put it in your bag without being in a separate compartment. The poor thing is like 1/4" thick and made out of aluminum and glass. I still dont know why they choose this glass. I can take my droid incredible with gorilla glass and pound the screen on the corner of a desk over and over, no scratches. This sony phone just doesnt have any flex for the glass.
I just through an iLLumiShield on the front and back so i can throw it on the table and not worry about scratches.
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But if flex is the issue then wouldn't a solid metal frame that doesn't bend around the perimeter of the phone rectify such concern?
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But if flex is the issue then wouldn't a solid metal frame that doesn't bend around the perimeter of the phone rectify such concern?
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Yes but the aluminum bumper case is very flimsy stamped aluminum. You would need something with zero give like aircraft grade. An aluminum or plastic shell would be the way to go, but That bumper case is just to prevent chiping of the sides, and give a mm lip when laying the phone on its front/back.
I just use a rubber back cover and THAT'S IT. No problems for me. And yes i keep it in my jeans' pocket most of the time. It does hinder my movement a little though
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The better way to deal with the size is not to put in jeans pocket. In winter, jacket pockets I guess are ok. In summer, I guess the best way would be to buy a camera bag or something for this. I think that would solve this problem.
I just got the phone and I am kinda surprised to see how thin it is. Definitely not a phone you should stress too much.
Hi All,
Was enjoying some righteous sushi the other day and spilled a glass of water on my 6p.
Immediately dried it off, removed from case (water was in-between phone and case) sucked out water from the USB, speaker grills, headphone jack (yuck!, but you do what you have too). Was not fully immersed, about half glass of water splashed directly on screen of phone.
Seems to be working fine today, but only time will tell if corrosion damage rears it's ugly head.
Protected by: Spigen clear case + glass screen protector.
Bummer. Next time drink Saki instead of water...
I've taken my phone to the beach, it's been rained on in the field, I've dropped it face down from about 4 feet, still going strong and very minor scuffs on the corners. I have it in a Spigen "Rugger Armor" TPU case and intelliGLASS HD screen protector, which upon initial inspection I thought my screen had cracked on the bottom half. After lifting the screen protector up to verify, it was actually the protector that cracked and not the actual screen glass. I was surprised because I didn't realize the protector had similar characteristics to actual glass. I would definitely purchase again.
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Hi All,
Was enjoying some righteous sushi the other day and spilled a glass of water on my 6p.
Immediately dried it off, removed from case (water was in-between phone and case) sucked out water from the USB, speaker grills, headphone jack (yuck!, but you do what you have too). Was not fully immersed, about half glass of water splashed directly on screen of phone.
Seems to be working fine today, but only time will tell if corrosion damage rears it's ugly head.
Protected by: Spigen clear case + glass screen protector.
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You should have turned it off asap and let it dry for a few days before use, the real damage occurs when electricity tries to flow with water interruption, if its completely dried after you should have no issues.
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I've taken my phone to the beach, it's been rained on in the field, I've dropped it face down from about 4 feet, still going strong and very minor scuffs on the corners. I have it in a Spigen "Rugger Armor" TPU case and intelliGLASS HD screen protector, which upon initial inspection I thought my screen had cracked on the bottom half. After lifting the screen protector up to verify, it was actually the protector that cracked and not the actual screen glass. I was surprised because I didn't realize the protector had similar characteristics to actual glass. I would definitely purchase again.
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It's good to know the device can go the distance and not be damaged!!