So I am considering this tablet but I haven't used Sony phones/tabs before so I am curious about a couple things:
ROM Development? is there a good dev following for Sony devices?
Is root usually straight forward on Sony devices?
Are there additional items, unlooked bootloader, s-off, and such that are advisable like HTC and other devices?
Sorry if they're dumb questions but I don't usually play in this sandbox so trying to get a lay of the land.
MG
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Rom wise usualy development is quite good, not super sure for tablets but other xperia devices usualy get enough goodies that often a dev just ports it over
Rooting usualy is since alot of xperia devices use the same firmwares, you can either do it the old way which unlocks your bootloader and voids your warrenty or the common way which is running a rootkit
Unlockable bootloader is the thing your looking for, no S on or off on xperias
Is the bootloader officially unlockable on the Z3CT?
Deltadroid said:
Is the bootloader officially unlockable on the Z3CT?
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bootloader is officialy unlockable on all Xperia Devices past 2012
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moregadget said:
ROM Development? is there a good dev following for Sony devices?
Is root usually straight forward on Sony devices?
Are there additional items, unlooked bootloader, s-off, and such that are advisable like HTC and other devices?
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Yes.
Yes.
Yes you can easily unlock bootloader on Xperia
But If you want to get start with android developing nothing s better than nexus devices
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Thanks all for the input. I picked up a used Nvidia shield for the moment and will pass that on to the kids when I pick up this unit.
MG
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I'm curious, but what is the difference between bootloader cracking on an x10 and say jailbreaking on an iphone. i see that iphone ios gets crack month after month and yet till this day we all are still struggling with a bootader on an old school xperia x10 since day one.
perhaps by the time the bootloader is crack there isn't much sense in keeping this old school phone anymore, because better stuff are out there and will perform better stock out of the box than a heavily tweaked xperia x10.
Jailbreak on iPhone = root on Android... Bootlader cracking = loading custom anything (recovery, kernel) on Android phone with locked bootloader.
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i think we getting closer to bypass SE boot loader and that will b good new
Does iphone have bootloader like android? because i dont see many post about this, or perhaps i'm not understanding their lingo and acronym.
I dont own any apple product, but i'm very tempted to get the ipad 2 to play with and i have been doing a lot of reading on various forums and following up on their discusions. but i don't see anymention about bootloader cracking on an iphone. perhaps they dont need to because they dont have a need to since they got nothing else but what is offered by apple. so they only have to battle with keeping up with ways to crack newer patched firmware.
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Does iphone have bootloader like android? because i dont see many post about this, or perhaps i'm not understanding their lingo and acronym.
I dont own any apple product, but i'm very tempted to get the ipad 2 to play with and i have been doing a lot of reading on various forums and following up on their discusions. but i don't see anymention about bootloader cracking on an iphone. perhaps they dont need to because they dont have a need to since they got nothing else but what is offered by apple. so they only have to battle with keeping up with ways to crack newer patched firmware.
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It's not the same with apple stuff at all.. The most you can do is jailbreak, and maybe change themes. You can't customize even close to like you can on android..
the bootloader is software wich is loaded/startet by the Firmware(on IBM PCs the firmware is a BIOS).It loads the Kernel.
the iphone has a bootloader too an it gives information about that google to:
iphone Linux
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iphone android
it uses a custom bootloader.
bypassing (what bin4ry hat done) means that we let the bootöpader do is thing and doesnt modify it but wen the kernel is loaded, we overwrite him in the memory and "reboot"
The locked bootloader troubles the devs were/are facing and the sideloading of apps and eventually roms, is this unique to the nook family as far as it only occuring with the tablet? Did the color have these same barriers in the beginning? And, are any of the colors groundbreakers onboard with the tablet now?
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The nook color doesn't have a locked bootloader.
i think some color devs are? but having the bootloader unlocked =
I wasn't sure. I know the purpose of the locked bootloader, and that numerous devices have had this. In the case of these other devices, have the bootloaders been unlocked, bypassed, replaced, or rewritten?
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I wasn't sure. I know the purpose of the locked bootloader, and that numerous devices have had this. In the case of these other devices, have the bootloaders been unlocked, bypassed, replaced, or rewritten?
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The nook tablet is a fairly unique situation. Plenty of bootloaders are locked but the nt is locked and signed or something to that effect. From my understanding, the devs were able to find a security flaw that allowed them to bypass the security check entirely and then make necessary modifications to allow for custom roms. I believe a similar method wasbused on a samsung device and this is where the idea was derived from.
As for other devices, my xoom was locked but Motorola made it so you cannot unlock it in fastboot. My photon needed to be hacked, but doing so breaks 4g. I think the droid x still has a locked bootloader but they managed to find a way to flash roms. The new transformer prime is locked down pretty hard; 128 bit encryption. Luckily asus has promised to deliver a method to unlock it. Well see if they deliver.
So yeah, kinda a case by case thing. The nt was probably one of the harder ones though.
and this is why i come here! LOL. in the space of 3 short paragraphs, i have a better understanding of bootloaders and how it applies to us and the NT. thanks guys!
For further reading, reddit has a nice write up on bootloaders. Also the r/android subreddit is awesome, very active and very helpful.
The r/nook subreddit is decent, I try to help as much as I can there
The signed bootloader is now irrelevant because several flaws were found in the chain of commands when checking for a secure boot. Many manufacturers are trying to make the software unhackable because they want to control where you purchase additional software from.
Apple products are exclusive, and if you want to compete with them but are incapable of developing your own software like palm or blackberry, you have to turn to google and their android package. The problem with this is that Android is open source and they are required to release their software to the public. All android devices are programmed with the same language and can be stripped down and reinstalled to basic android software. This means that any hardware, released with android, can be hacked and unlocked to use the basic android market. "Resistance is futile."- borg
Albert-
I've been reading through several of the dev threads having to do with 'Cracked bootloader' and am a little confused...ok, a lot confused. There seems to be 2 different methods of attack to bypass the signed bootloader. I believe AdamOutler's method involves installing a modchip in the NT (I would think most nt users would not be willing to do that) and it sounds like you are saying there is another way/simpler way to sneak around the signed bootloader without hardwiring a chip. Am I wrong? Will we really have to install a 'modchip'?
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Albert-
I've been reading through several of the dev threads having to do with 'Cracked bootloader' and am a little confused...ok, a lot confused. There seems to be 2 different methods of attack to bypass the signed bootloader. I believe AdamOutler's method involves installing a modchip in the NT (I would think most nt users would not be willing to do that) and it sounds like you are saying there is another way/simpler way to sneak around the signed bootloader without hardwiring a chip. Am I wrong? Will we really have to install a 'modchip'?
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From my understanding, the two methods were conceived very close together time wise. The hardware mod way was first, but shortly after they found some security flaws that allowed them to bypass the bootloader security check and make modifications to it from there.
I want to make this provocatoty question because after more than one month our XPS is the most locked phone here in XDA.
The fact is that we can only swap original firmwares, there is no way to root the phone in an easy way, without unlocking bootloader, and there is no recovery available.
I'm new in a similar situation after many smartphones owned; yes, the software is not bad, nor has big issues, but the plus of Android is also the openess...
What do you think?
Dude what the... we have root, can unlock the bootloader on the first day of the device how much easier and open can you get? I'm guessing you have never owned a Motorola phone before as u will then know the meaning of "locked tight".
Clockworkmod is coming like everything else, if you want to speed up the process you should help out perhaps, we can never have too many modders, rom makers, tweakers etc.
-smc
I've owned two motorola phones, and from what I see they did not have the bootloader not accepting unsigned software, even if locked. This make big difference as for now only official firmware are loadable and without a Sony change the situation remain without solutions.
...Okay
The phone has been out less than a month, and it's not even out globally yet (see the gigantic India thread, and others floating around at the moment, it's only available via import in a lot of locations)
Another thing...it is all being worked on at the moment. You want a custom firmware? be patient. There can't be any custom kernels yet because there is a bug in the bootloader at the moment (or something, I won't pretend to know how that works as i'm not a developer) that's keeping Doom and other developers from moving further with the development. Doom also doesn't own the S yet, so he can only do soo much at the moment.
There is already Mods available, but there isn't any modified firmwares out yet, because no one is making any, which I don't blame them because ICS is on its way. You can do it all yourself (read themes and apps section, maybe learn a bit about how to modify phone?), and until the bootloader thing is fixed, thats the best thing to do really.
There's no way to root without unlocking the bootloader -yet-.
It has been adressed many times, that there may be one in the future, but unlocking the bootloader is the current solution, and it works just fine. Also, keeping your bootloader locked (and it can even be relocked) limits your phone anyways. Unlocking your bootloader doesn't void your warranty, it just may if you do something stupid (read overlocking and frying phone) they may or may not (if they even see that you broke your phone by your own doing) fix it under warranty.
Also, if you havent noticed...there isn't a lot of developers on the Xperia S train yet, it all takes time.
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I want to make this provocatoty question because after more than one month our XPS is the most locked phone here in XDA.
The fact is that we can only swap original firmwares, there is no way to root the phone in an easy way, without unlocking bootloader, and there is no recovery available.
I'm new in a similar situation after many smartphones owned; yes, the software is not bad, nor has big issues, but the plus of Android is also the openess...
What do you think?
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Are you blind or what ? there is root, unlocking bootloader is offered DIRECTLY by SONY, so no need to hack...
Sony has released sources for almost anything on this phone, so if you're able to you can edit and rebuild...
there is also a modded kernel...
what you want more ?
if you want you can download sources, and start to learn how to build the kernel... there are guides on the sony developer site.
it's not easy to find something to mod, when everythinq works VERY GOOD with stock... but if there are requests... we can start to mod...
Nope, If you read relating posts, there is no way to make roms as in other phones, due to the bootloader bug, that is related to Sony not to developers.
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Are you blind or what ? there is root, unlocking bootloader is offered DIRECTLY by SONY, so no need to hack...
Sony has released sources for almost anything on this phone, so if you're able to you can edit and rebuild...
there is also a modded kernel...
what you want more ?
if you want you can download sources, and start to learn how to build the kernel... there are guides on the sony developer site.
it's not easy to find something to mod, when everythinq works VERY GOOD with stock... but if there are requests... we can start to mod...
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Please be polite, and read problems involved in development. Doom has locked his thread until there are news from Sony.
So OP's suggested solution for all these difficulties is just close the development section, then everything else will automatically be solved without anyone working, testing and exchanging ideas on it? Kudos to OP!
Actually I smell troll here.
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Although there is a bug in the bootloader I see no reason to close the whole thread .
There are other things that can be worked on and at the moment. It's a good place to get Stock Firmware that can be flashed . Always good to have a heavy variety of Stock ROMs to fall back too.
As stock firmwares are developed hopefully the bug will be fixed and Devs will be able to continue.
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Kudos to OP!
Actually I smell troll here.
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It was a provocatory post to show difficulties in developing software. If you look at the section it seems really abandoned.
If that's trolling, I submit to moderators judgement, and accept their decisions.
Is there any way I can unlock it using a Mac? Didn't find anything to do it yet, but maybe I am blind
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They are already working on cyanogen roms at mo for S. And the free xperia team have spoke to Sony and there will be a bootloader fix in a new fw soon. As people say we have a very new device. Good things come to those who wait
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It was a provocatory post to show difficulties in developing software. If you look at the section it seems really abandoned.
If that's trolling, I submit to moderators judgement, and accept their decisions.
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Yeah, I agree, the section with the second highest posts is totally abandoned...
...If we follow this guideline, I think we should close the Accessories section, due to lack of gadgets to go with our phones! (can you see the sarcasm?)
Really, just be patient, it's a new phone, stop whining, or how you say "being provocative".
Edit: Okay sorry, maybe that was a bit harsh...but really, I feel you don't really have the right to judge the speed of fixes and developments when you aren't doing it yourself. The best thing you can do is deal with it for now. They are doing what they can.
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They are already working on cyanogen roms at mo for S. And the free xperia team have spoke to Sony and there will be a bootloader fix in a new fw soon. As people say we have a very new device. Good things come to those who wait
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Good news, thanks
Hi guys im planning to buy this phone, but does it has an unlocked bootloader? How good is developer support for this cellphone?
the bootloader is locked and with that you cannot load a fully working custom kernel thus there are not many dev involved.
Hope something improves in future...
Until then I statisfy my rom flashing sickness with my HD2
Would you recommend me buying this phone ? Or an xperia play?
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Would you recommend me buying this phone ? Or an xperia play?
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I would buy this. The Xperia play was not tat great in my opinion.
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Would you recommend me buying this phone ? Or an xperia play?
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I recommend you the razr. Its a good phone overall especially the build quality.
No match with the play unless you are a heavy gamer.
I think you will find a positive answer for either device within its own forum.
So grain of salt aside, I like the Razr, but from a slightly technical person that likes to experiment with things, It was fun to flash a couple ROM's when I first got it and settled on one. After finding Eclipse thats what I've stuck to permanently. Its fast, its compact, and most importantly everything just works out of the box. So really, no more fun experimenting...
If you want to take your chances on some ICS leak that you may never be able to flash from in the future, or an ICS build over the old kernal with things not working or some things kinda working. I dunno... "fun"?
With no unlocked BL its seems that the development for this phone is somewhat castrated. Don't get me wrong, out of the many phones I tried, this one was the nicest as far as speed, screen, and touch/feel. Phone-wise anyway its the better. Development... not so much. We are all in here keeping our fingers crossed for one of two things... 1) Kholk gets his BL bypass working to where someone actually wants to develop for it but outlook not-so-good on that one, or 2) Motorola actually keeps their word for once and eventually gives us a BL unlock. (again "outlook not-so-good")
I just wish there were more fun things to do with our Razr like there are for other phones, Xperia Play included since you can unlock the BL with that, and just glancing in the development section of their forum can attest to that.
All that aside, as a Razr owner, I can recommend it as a very nice, advanced featured, smartphone that does everything I could ever dream of. heh
Of course we can use custom kernels. Just a short time remaining until the new kernel source will be released, then kexec will work with both cores and fully working custom roms will become available.
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I think you will find a positive answer for either device within its own forum.
So grain of salt aside, I like the Razr, but from a slightly technical person that likes to experiment with things, It was fun to flash a couple ROM's when I first got it and settled on one. After finding Eclipse thats what I've stuck to permanently. Its fast, its compact, and most importantly everything just works out of the box. So really, no more fun experimenting...
If you want to take your chances on some ICS leak that you may never be able to flash from in the future, or an ICS build over the old kernal with things not working or some things kinda working. I dunno... "fun"?
With no unlocked BL its seems that the development for this phone is somewhat castrated. Don't get me wrong, out of the many phones I tried, this one was the nicest as far as speed, screen, and touch/feel. Phone-wise anyway its the better. Development... not so much. We are all in here keeping our fingers crossed for one of two things... 1) Kholk gets his BL bypass working to where someone actually wants to develop for it but outlook not-so-good on that one, or 2) Motorola actually keeps their word for once and eventually gives us a BL unlock. (again "outlook not-so-good")
I just wish there were more fun things to do with our Razr like there are for other phones, Xperia Play included since you can unlock the BL with that, and just glancing in the development section of their forum can attest to that.
All that aside, as a Razr owner, I can recommend it as a very nice, advanced featured, smartphone that does everything I could ever dream of. heh
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Kholk is apparently waiting for th 3.0.8 source from motorola in order to get the second cpu working
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Long story short, I just won the tablet s (see androidpolice)
Anyway, I have had a look around, and as far as I can see, no CWR/TWRP or CM (9/10/10.1)
I have compiled CM for Nexus 7 before, so I may give a go porting CM to the tablet S. There seems to be a lack of kernels and stuffs availble from Sony.
Has anyone made any progress on porting CM 10/10.1 to the tablet S? Has anyone got any tips?? Has anything interesting been developed for it yet??
(Disclaimer: I have never porteed before and it is quite likely I won't have the time/skill required for this to work)
If you wouldve taken the time and read 2-3 threads asking the same questions, you wouldve came to the conclusion that the tablet S and the XTS have locked bootloaders (which can be unlocked) and root is only possible in the earlier FW versions. So.. yeah. Thats it.
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If you wouldve taken the time and read 2-3 threads asking the same questions, you wouldve came to the conclusion that the tablet S and the XTS have locked bootloaders (which can be unlocked) and root is only possible in the earlier FW versions. So.. yeah. Thats it.
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OK. I guess I forgot about needing to unlock bootloader, since having got a nexus device, I had forgotten the woes of unlocking tricky bootloaders. (Correct me if I'm wrong ) Before HTC dev, plenty of people unlocked bootloaders themselves using exploits (like advance ace hack kit).
I'd be quite disappointed though to not get paranoid or cyanogenmod on it. I'm going to contact sony and ask for some help (doubt that I'll get anywhere)
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OK. I guess I forgot about needing to unlock bootloader, since having got a nexus device, I had forgotten the woes of unlocking tricky bootloaders. (Correct me if I'm wrong ) Before HTC dev, plenty of people unlocked bootloaders themselves using exploits (like advance ace hack kit).
I'd be quite disappointed though to not get paranoid or cyanogenmod on it. I'm going to contact sony and ask for some help (doubt that I'll get anywhere)
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I tried but it did not go anywhere and they did say that there modified version of the OS is not open source.
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I have also just noticed, the sony tablet S is different to the xperia tablet S.
I own the latter.
xperia tablet S doesn't even have an xda page. I'm stuck now lol. I wonder if it even has root?
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I have also just noticed, the sony tablet S is different to the xperia tablet S.
I own the latter.
xperia tablet S doesn't even have an xda page. I'm stuck now lol. I wonder if it even has root?
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Xts has root but not latest version
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i suspect you had this bug asswell already http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeEHWfHpt0M
Anyway sony is treating tablet s1 and xperia tablet s owners like crap atm they jelly bean many times delaying it every time.
even promising fix then withdrawing their post for fix few day's later.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...chedule/td-p/102681+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca
Apearntly sony never heared of google cache i suspect they very afraid now to promise anything..
https://www.change.org/petitions/sony-release-updates-much-faster-and-fix-issues anyway here's ongoing petition atm.
Just signed. Tablet S1 is a useless piece of junk.
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