As the title indicates the 920 is amazing in low light and almost no light. I am curious why the more recent handsets like 1520, 930 and 830 still can't beat the low light photos of the 920. Even the 1020 is sometimes worst in low light.
I am currently using a z2 but managed to pick up a 920 for £50 just so I can use the camera as was disappointed with the 930 camera.
Any thoughts on why it's so good please reply especially if anyone knows what the software is doing.
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As the title indicates the 920 is amazing in low light and almost no light. I am curious why the more recent handsets like 1520, 930 and 830 still can't beat the low light photos of the 920. Even the 1020 is sometimes worst in low light.
I am currently using a z2 but managed to pick up a 920 for £50 just so I can use the camera as was disappointed with the 930 camera.
Any thoughts on why it's so good please reply especially if anyone knows what the software is doing.
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Even my 15 yo pc webcam can do better low light than lumia 920. At lower resolution and quality obviosly. For better low light its simple as tweak the cam app to autoregulate the capture brighter. Don't know why that was so easy 15 years ago, and now that seems impossible.
ipmanwck said:
As the title indicates the 920 is amazing in low light and almost no light. I am curious why the more recent handsets like 1520, 930 and 830 still can't beat the low light photos of the 920. Even the 1020 is sometimes worst in low light.
I am currently using a z2 but managed to pick up a 920 for £50 just so I can use the camera as was disappointed with the 930 camera.
Any thoughts on why it's so good please reply especially if anyone knows what the software is doing.
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The answer lies in sensor size. The lumia 920 has a 1/3.2" sensor while the 930 has a smaller 1/2.51" sensor.
A bigger sensor means more light can enter but can also mean that shots will be overexposed (too bright) at some point.
The 930 on the other hand probably does better in terms of daylight shots and speed with Rich Capture being another plus point.
but, the math says that 1/2.51" is obviously greater than 1/3.2"
The 930's camera has been pretty poor since WM10. It was great in well lit shots with denim though.
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The answer lies in sensor size. The lumia 920 has a 1/3.2" sensor while the 930 has a smaller 1/2.51" sensor.
A bigger sensor means more light can enter but can also mean that shots will be overexposed (too bright) at some point.
The 930 on the other hand probably does better in terms of daylight shots and speed with Rich Capture being another plus point.
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The sensor of the Lumia 930 (and 929=Icon and 1520) is not only much bigger, but has more pixels.
It takes better pictures in every situation. The sensor is also more modern.
These Lumia phones have an Optical Image recognition System (OIS):
920,925,928, 1020, 830,929,930,1520, 950,950 XL (and the upcoming [in 2017] "Surface Phone") & (the old prototype "McLaren")
so that they remove the small vibrations of your hand(s) allowing a longer exposure time =>
better pictures - especially at low light situations
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At first, when I heard that a WP8 smartphone was going to have a Pureview camera I was fascinated and excited, but when I saw the results, I think they are laughing at us.
Here I leave the video.
Nokia 808 vs Lumia 920 Night Video Comparison - YouTube
You can see how there is more light, but at the same time less colour contrast, less vivid colours and also unreal colours. Nokia 808 Pureview camera is more close to reality in colours and contrast, as well as in broghtnes. While in Lumia 920 we have more light, Video quality is poorer than the Symbian flagship.
To have the same picture/video quality as with the 808, the 920 would need the same size camera hump. Not viable.
before you trash pureview find out what it is
>< 41mp vs 8.7mp its not really any kind of competition "PureView" refers to nokia camera software therefore they can claim as it uses the same imaging system as the 808. could you imagine the cost of the 808 had the rest of the hardware been up to scratch
I didn't meant to do it in a scene with pretty much light. I meant with a video 1080p (they are just paired at this resolution) during the night and with some few movement, normal for a video) the result is that the 808 won in detail and overpasses the incredible night sensor of the 920 due to the large sensor. I don,t know what you think. But Nokia had to tell us that their Pureview comparison are kind tricky, as they have as winner in night mode Nokia Lumia. But the reality is that the winner is 808
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Well, there's so much to consider about that video. First off, the places are not the same place. That's not a fair comparison. That makes a huge difference as ambient light is a factor. The scene with the 808 had much more vehicle traffic and most likely more light. But even with that in mind, the L920 won't be as good mainly because of the size of he sensor. the 808 sports a 1/1.2" sensor which will beat out every other cell phone camera. There's not much competition between the two. Either way, it beats out having purple haze.
920 is second phase is Pureview, OIS and low-light. 808 is the first phase. There will be more phases... Maybe 1&2 phases together latet?
We thought that Nokia Lumia 920 was the best phone to record in the night, or Nokia told us that it was that. But they haven't done the best work they could. Their flagship, Nokia 808 Pureview, is recording better during the night. It's a pitty that Nokia starts to cheat since the very first Nokia 920 video. The super reflex camera to capture the supose Lumia 920 videos + this is amazing. Although is the best WP8 to buy, if you think it as a camera phone is better the iPhone 5 in daylight, equal in afternoon and inside and slightly better during the night.
Some videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cPm20esQYc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o4CeHt04xQ
The Nokia video you are talking about was misunderstood and the blown out of proportion. The goal of the video was to demonstrate the benefit of the Optical Image Stabilization (OIS) technology, not the phone itself. If anything, Nokia can be chastised for not putting a disclaimer making that unambiguous.
It is indeed tricky to compare the 920 with the 808 esp since they are both called "Pureview". But, the key difference between the two is that the 920 has OIS (which the 808 doesn't) and the 808 have a much higher MP.
I dont think anyone ever claimed that the 920 was a better camera than the 808... you'd have to be crazy to think so
it does take low light pics easier than the 808 but if you had rock solid steady hands or a mini tripod you could mitigate the advantage
as for the "fiasco" i agree i was a bit appalled that nokia stooped to competitor strategies but they did come out with actual footage from the 920 which showcased the OIS just as well and so have users (check out some nokia blogs)
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I dont think anyone ever claimed that the 920 was a better camera than the 808... you'd have to be crazy to think so
it does take low light pics easier than the 808 but if you had rock solid steady hands or a mini tripod you could mitigate the advantage
as for the "fiasco" i agree i was a bit appalled that nokia stooped to competitor strategies but they did come out with actual footage from the 920 which showcased the OIS just as well and so have users (check out some nokia blogs)
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I think you are mistaken. Nokia did show us the Lumia 920 as the best camera in low light conditions on a phone. That is not true and I think this reviews are good because maybe you know 808 is better camera in all ways, but some people are interested and doesn't know it.
I've read a good news from here : http://360dmobile.com/184/. It said that lumia 920 camera issue was fixed. It's such a great news, is there any lumia 920 users can confirm this fix
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I've read a good news from here : http://360dmobile.com/184/. It said that lumia 920 camera issue was fixed. It's such a great news, is there any lumia 920 users can confirm this fix
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Engaget posted a crapload of example photos
http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/17/lumia-920-camera-fix/
Until any of us lowly users gets the update that's all the conformation we get.
I am glad there is a thread about this!!!
For all the hype behind that nokia camera!! i found it was TERRIBLE!!! my gf's HTC One X takes amazing pics compared to this Nokia 920!
The One X is featured in this test and doesn't fare as well as the 920 does.
http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/16087_PureView_shootout_Nokia_808_vs.php
Don't blame your camera for poor results, a camera is only as good as the person using it. If a good camera could create brilliant photographs in the hands of anyone then photographers wouldn't be in a job. Good light, subject matter, thoughts on framing and angles make good pictures, the camera is just there to record the result.
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The One X is featured in this test and doesn't fare as well as the 920 does.
http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/16087_PureView_shootout_Nokia_808_vs.php
Don't blame your camera for poor results, a camera is only as good as the person using it. If a good camera could create brilliant photographs in the hands of anyone then photographers wouldn't be in a job. Good light, subject matter, thoughts on framing and angles make good pictures, the camera is just there to record the result.
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lol this entire thread is based on the 920 camera being balls
that said.. 920 point and click.. One X point and click.. One X wins..
I can say with surety that after the update the camera is MUCH better.
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I can say with surety that after the update the camera is MUCH better.
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thanks! makes me feel a lot better knowing that there is hope!
Puff1911 said:
lol this entire thread is based on the 920 camera being balls
that said.. 920 point and click.. One X point and click.. One X wins..
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I realise that. But photography is my hobby and if the 920 is guilty of anything it is having output that isn't extensively post processed. If you look at what the iPhone outputs it is photos that are sharpened and have increased contrast. If it saved what was captured at the sensor it would be very dull.
So with the 920 fix they've either reduced noise reduction which shouldn't have been applied in daylight or applied more post processing.
One X can't beat the 920 at video, especially concert footage, the sound of the 920 is much better, no distortion.
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I realise that. But photography is my hobby and if the 920 is guilty of anything it is having output that isn't extensively post processed. If you look at what the iPhone outputs it is photos that are sharpened and have increased contrast. If it saved what was captured at the sensor it would be very dull.
So with the 920 fix they've either reduced noise reduction which shouldn't have been applied in daylight or applied more post processing.
One X can't beat the 920 at video, especially concert footage, the sound of the 920 is much better, no distortion.
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Fair enough.. I haven't done any video with the 920.. so I have no comments on that.
I too can confirm improvements on the camera. I just did night photos with night mode on and off. Literally, the difference is night and day. LOL
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I too can confirm improvements on the camera. I just did night photos with night mode on and off. Literally, the difference is night and day. LOL
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Complaints have never been about night photos, but about "soft" daytime photos.
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I've noticed some slight improvement in the sharpness of the photos, but it's still nowhere as sharp as the photos taken with my Samsung Infuse, which is a horrible let-down.
a possible explanation
It's been suggested that maybe only the AT&T firmware carries the camera fix. That would explain why some folks swear their camera is fixed and others don't see the difference. I have a Rogers Lumia 920 and the camera is as awful as it was the first day I got it. The new firmware did nothing.
So for those who did see an improvement, can you confirm what model of Lumia 920 you have? Firmware number, revision number, batch number and all that so we can confirm apples to apples.
Thanks!
I have the AT&T version.. and I haven't been impressed by the camera. Even after the update.. I can see a minor difference.. but I still can't say it's all that great.
IMHO the One X+ is still beating my Nokia L920
Daytime is fine when the objects are near. But landscapes are where it sucks, but it seems to be focus related.
I've got my Lumia 920 a few days ago and after bragging about how awesome the Pureview camera is to one of my iFriends he totally smoked me with his iPhone 5. In low light he got shots as good as my Nokia did, and in situations when the light was coming from the windows he wiped the floor with me because he could choose where to focus the image thus making an object on the wall more clear while reducing the light from the window. I can't do this with the 920. If there is a window with light coming from it, the entire wall is almost black. I have also noticed that photos taken with the 920 have a 3552x2000 resolution, while photos taken with my old Lumia 800 have a resolution of 3624x2448. Why so?
My questions are:
Why is the resolution lower than the Lumia 800?
Why are there fewer options in the camera setting than on WP 7.5/7.8?
Why isn't the Pureview smoking the iPhone? They don't even try to advertise this kind of things and still...
Why are photos soft?? Even after the update, photos are still coming out softer than how they look on the screen between focus and shoot.
When I got the 920 I really wished that this Pureview brand they are selling is something groundbreaking, but why in the world does the iPhone 5 take same or even better photos?
Tomorrow I'm returning the device to get a new one because of a problem with the floating lens:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2065019
I hope that the new phone they will give me will be better...
Hello. Monday I bring the lumia 920, I read in many forums that lasts almost anything, that's true, how hard you to you with normal use and moderate? come from a hox and lasted a whole day without problems.
So far it easily lasts a day for me. I have 2 gmail accounts, one hotmail account and a facebook account on sync.
So I thinkt the battery life is pretty decent. But if you are a heavy user, the battery will not last a day.
I also do not regret buying this phone, comming from a Galaxy Note II. Although, the camera is a little disappointing, the design is beautiful, and the performance is smooth as butter.
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Although, the camera is a little disappointing,
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i seriously didnt get this ??
LOL "the camera is a little disappointing"
did you see cameras from other phones??? for me Lumia 920 have best camera (if not count 925 or 1020 and pureview 808)
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Although, the camera is a little disappointing,
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Are you serious. The camera in the 920 has been compared to many professional SLR cameras for quality and has been on par with them. Until the other two newer Lumias got released this camera was the best on the market for a phone. It's best ability is low light however. There is no other phone that can take pics in the low light levels this phone does.
Gnarfsan said:
So far it easily lasts a day for me. I have 2 gmail accounts, one hotmail account and a facebook account on sync.
So I thinkt the battery life is pretty decent. But if you are a heavy user, the battery will not last a day.
I also do not regret buying this phone, comming from a Galaxy Note II. Although, the camera is a little disappointing, the design is beautiful, and the performance is smooth as butter.
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He probably meant from his expectations, since the camera on the Lumia 920 was touted so highly. I have one, and TBH it's a great camera, especially given that it's on a mobile phone, but not mindblowingly game changing.
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i seriously didnt get this ??
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I come from a Galaxy Note 2.
What I don't like about the Lumia 920 camera:
It does not meassure light properly where I click. It only focusses unlike the Note 2 and the iPhone. I get a lot of pictures of people with dark faces, which has never been a problem on my previous phones.
It's incredibly slow compared to the Note 2, which is almost instant.
The pictures lack contrast, and often look slightly out of focus.
I had expected it to be at least on par with the Note 2 (which has the same camera as the GS3)
These are my experiences with the stock camera app. I can't wait to try the Pro Cam app though.
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The camera in the 920 has been compared to many professional SLR cameras for quality and has been on par with them.
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Can you share a link or something? Because in all the reviews that I have read, noone have compared it to a SLR. In fact, many of them have been disappointed with the daylight performance when compared to other flagship phones launched that fall.
The only times I have seen a anyone comming up with a statement remotely like yours is when testing the Nokia 808 or the Lumia 1020.
Edit: To back up these wild claims:
DP Review:
Unfortunately, the 920’s daylight performance is only OK. There’s at least as much noise as much of the competition, if not more. So much engineering has clearly gone into the 920’s camera unit that we’d hope for class-leading sensor performance, but it seems to be middle of the pack.
http://connect.dpreview.com/post/9128863653/nokia-lumia-920-camera-review-first-look
The Verge:
To most eyes, the images look a little washed out and don’t "pop," with not enough warm tones.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/1/3584486/nokia-lumia-920-review
Slashgear:
with bonus comparison to the Samsung Galaxy S III and see how diverse the photos can be. These color variations as well as the end result of photos that with one device appear to be much sharper than the Lumia 920 mean that we’ve got software at work here that attempts to create for you a finished image
http://www.slashgear.com/att-nokia-lumia-920-review-03255516/
Techno Buffalo:
Overall, it’s comparable to the iPhone 5 camera, but I prefer the iPhone 5 because it generally offered sharper photos.
http://www.technobuffalo.com/reviews/nokia-lumia-920-review/
Engadget:
but that performance has somehow cost your well-lit images a degree of detail you might not want to give up.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/02/nokia-lumia-920-review/
Pocketnow:
It’s pretty clear that the Lumia 920′s image sensor is nothing special, as it looks just about the same as the lower-end Lumia 810.
http://pocketnow.com/2012/11/15/nokia-lumia-920-review-att
Last weekend my Galaxy S III was stolen, and I had to buy a new phone asap. With a little time to think it through I took a chance with Lumia 920 and I can confirm that, in every aspect, Galaxy S III makes better daily photos. However, Lumia 920 supposed to shine in low-light segment, but unfortunately didn't have time to test that. Overall, so far good phone experience.
All the reviews of the Nokia 920 are done with the software error when the Lumia 920 was getting on the market.
Now we have the Amber update so all these reviews are a little outdated isn't?
Fact is, Nokia Lumia 920 has a Carl Zeiss lens and optical image stabilization, one of the reasons I bought the Lumia.
The optical lens is an very important factor of taking a good picture, besides that optical image stabilization is awsome.
Carl Zeiss does have a big name in camera lenses.
Edit; Lol I'm getting a bit of topic I see, as topic started about the battery.
Laurentius26 said:
All the reviews of the Nokia 920 are done with the software error when the Lumia 920 was getting on the market.
Now we have the Amber update so all these reviews are a little outdated isn't?
Fact is, Nokia Lumia 920 has a Carl Zeiss lens and optical image stabilization, one of the reasons I bought the Lumia.
The optical lens is an very important factor of taking a good picture, besides that optical image stabilization is awsome.
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The debate here started before the Amber update. I haven't had much use of the camera since then. But the few pictures that I have taken since then are def. not up to SLR standards. Btw. optics do not matter if the rest isn't good enough to back it.
On a side note, I'm using my Galaxy Note 2 today, and damn is it a laggy mess when compared to the Lumia 920 over all (Not talking about the camera here). And it even has 4x1.600 Mhz cores. Wtf.
I know, and I didn't say The Lumia 920 camera is up to SLR standards.
A phone has to be flat so the sensor can't be big as a SLR.
But the lens and optical image stabilization do matter if
you compare the Nokia camera with other phones manufactured.
It's a breaktrough.
But again I'm off topic lol.
Gnarfsan said:
The debate here started before the Amber update. I haven't had much use of the camera since then. But the few pictures that I have taken since then are def. not up to SLR standards. Btw. optics do not matter if the rest isn't good enough to back it.
On a side note, I'm using my Galaxy Note 2 today, and damn is it a laggy mess when compared to the Lumia 920 over all (Not talking about the camera here). And it even has 4x1.600 Mhz cores. Wtf.
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Laurentius26 said:
I know, and I didn't say The Lumia 920 camera is up to SLR standards.
A phone has to be flat so the sensor can't be big as a SLR.
But the lens and optical image stabilization do matter if
you compare the Nokia camera with other phones manufactured.
It's a breaktrough.
But again I'm off topic lol.
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I agree that it matters, but the end results from my Galaxy Note 2 have been better. So with the Note 2 I get sharper pictures and it takes them the exact moment that I press the camera button which is often a very important feature if you want to get the right motive. It also meassures light at the right target and not the sky.
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I agree that it matters, but the end results from my Galaxy Note 2 have been better. So with the Note 2 I get sharper pictures and it takes them the exact moment that I press the camera button which is often a very important feature if you want to get the right motive. It also meassures light at the right target and not the sky.
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Hi,
With amber update and nokia pro cam focus is better and measures light more correct than before it.
Hi,
I've made some test shots today after this discussion (I just bought my Lumia a couple of days ago) with the Pro cam on Amber and yes pictures are pretty sharp.
But to be honest I'm a bit dissapointed about the noise in the pictures.
I think the standard camera does make better quality pictures (after some later tests but I still need to test more) and you can set ISO there as well.
Light is sometimes correct but not always.
Attached a sample picture I took today On amber update and nokia Pro cam set to ISO 100 (f/2.0 and shutter 1/1600 sec are set automatic).
On original image size you see the noise, which shouldn't be there at all on bright daylight.
boril said:
Hi,
With amber update and nokia Pro cam focus does look ok.
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I see we are still talking about the camera in a thread that is supposed to be about the battery and it expected daily use.
Yep you are right.
About the battery I can say it last easy a whole day on regular use but every day I need to charge.
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I see we are still talking about the camera in a thread that is supposed to be about the battery and it expected daily use.
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Laurentius26 said:
Yep you are right.
About the battery I can say it last easy a whole day on regular use but every day I need to charge.
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Same here. Basically it drains very little battery while it's not in use. Even on LTE.
Mine drop 25% just on stand by overnight from 10PM till 5:00AM. I reset, fresh install etc.. but still no help. Lucky if it last me for 8 hours when I start using it. Nagivation for 40 min and battery drop 12%.
randy_c said:
Mine drop 25% just on stand by overnight from 10PM till 5:00AM. I reset, fresh install etc.. but still no help. Lucky if it last me for 8 hours when I start using it. Nagivation for 40 min and battery drop 12%.
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It sounds faulty For how have you had it?