Looking through eBay and found an extended slim battery for the LG G3 , anyone try it? There a few different capacities and prices.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-A-3950m..._Cell_Phone_PDA_Batteries&hash=item2a463ddaea
gottria said:
Looking through eBay and found an extended slim battery for the LG G3 , anyone try it? There a few different capacities and prices.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-A-3950m..._Cell_Phone_PDA_Batteries&hash=item2a463ddaea
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The chemistry of LI batteries is fixed. These aftermarket batteries haven't found some technological miracle. To increase battery capacity by nearly 30%, as claimed, there are really only a couple of things you can do. Increase the number of [same size] cells by 30%, or increase the size of each cell by about 30%. You could make each cell marginally bigger by making the cell barriers thinner, at the risk of leaks and fires, but you're not going to get 30% more chemistry that way.
The other thing the manufacturer could do is tweak the circuitry to allow the phone to overcharge the battery, but that's not going to work for very long.
meyerweb said:
The chemistry of LI batteries is fixed. These aftermarket batteries haven't found some technological miracle. To increase battery capacity by nearly 30%, as claimed, there are really only a couple of things you can do. Increase the number of [same size] cells by 30%, or increase the size of each cell by about 30%. You could make each cell marginally bigger by making the cell barriers thinner, at the risk of leaks and fires, but you're not going to get 30% more chemistry that way.
The other thing the manufacturer could do is tweak the circuitry to allow the phone to overcharge the battery, but that's not going to work for very long.
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Meyer, thanks for the reply. I figure that these batteries were made on the cheap side and not good quality. But sometimes you find a decent one. I'll stick to OEM.
gottria said:
Meyer, thanks for the reply. I figure that these batteries were made on the cheap side and not good quality. But sometimes you find a decent one. I'll stick to OEM.
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They may be perfectly fine batteries, but they're not likely to give you more capacity than OEM. Probably less. But I've used cheap aftermarket batteries in other phones as spares and backups, and they don't generally seem to last.
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I am in search of a new battery and I came across a 3000 mAH battery that doesn't require an extended battery case. I was wondering if anyone has had experience with it:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-7v-BH6X-R...cement-For-Motorola-MB860-ME860-/271036164752
http://www.amazon.com/3000mAh-Rechargeable-Battery-Replacement-Motorola/dp/B008VO07AA
From reading, it seems like you have to calibrate the Atrix to understand the new battery through a couple charges and configuration changes; cool. I am wondering if anyone has had experience with THIS battery? Is it legit?
jeisinge said:
Is it legit?
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It's the same size at the standard battery
It's double the capacity
It costs $1.16
If it's too good to be true...
Don
DrClown said:
It's the same size at the standard battery
It's double the capacity
It costs $1.16
If it's too good to be true...
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haha --- I know... I am less worried about the $$$ spent and more worried about not harming my phone.
jeisinge said:
I am in search of a new battery and I came across a 3000 mAH battery that doesn't require an extended battery case. I was wondering if anyone has had experience with it:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-7v-BH6X-R...cement-For-Motorola-MB860-ME860-/271036164752
http://www.amazon.com/3000mAh-Rechargeable-Battery-Replacement-Motorola/dp/B008VO07AA
From reading, it seems like you have to calibrate the Atrix to understand the new battery through a couple charges and configuration changes; cool. I am wondering if anyone has had experience with THIS battery? Is it legit?
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Well in e-bay I buy this battery http://www.ebay.com/itm/2430MAH-HIG...844826?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3f1e183dda and it was quiet good for one day, after one day it was dead the battery board was dead and I replace it whit old battery board so I don't think it is real.
I think the picture says it all. Not quite sure why someone would even bother considering a battery with such almost offensively unrealistic specs.
To store more current, the battery has to be physically bigger. It's why "D" cell batteries are bigger than "A" cell batteries even though they have the same voltage output.
Think of current as water. Can you fit more water in a bucket if it's the same size as the one you have?
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I had bad experience with several extended batteries from ebay. I always prefer to buy an extra regular battery instead of having an extended battery.
hey
i readed that li-po battery is better then normal battery
maybe there a battery that could fit to rezound and work with it ?
https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8483
maybe this could be modded and fit to rezound ?
It's a complicated issue and there's not a clear cut "better" technology. They're both better for different applications. In practice, Li-Po hasn't proven itself to be any better for mobile phone applications than Li-Ion. It's theoretically safer due to the higher resilience to overcharging, and it's able to be made thinner due to the dry electrolyte, but the overall energy density is lower, so you'd get less power out of the same battery size, and they don't last as long as a standard wet electrolyte Li-Ion.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/is_lithium_ion_the_ideal_battery
Lithium-ion-polymer has not caught on as quickly as some analysts had expected. Its superiority to other systems and low manufacturing costs has not been realized. No improvements in capacity gains are achieved - in fact, the capacity is slightly less than that of the standard lithium-ion battery. Lithium-ion-polymer finds its market niche in wafer-thin geometries, such as batteries for credit cards and other such applications.
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shrike1978 said:
It's a complicated issue and there's not a clear cut "better" technology. They're both better for different applications. In practice, Li-Po hasn't proven itself to be any better for mobile phone applications than Li-Ion. It's theoretically safer due to the higher resilience to overcharging, and it's able to be made thinner due to the dry electrolyte, but the overall energy density is lower, so you'd get less power out of the same battery size, and they don't last as long as a standard wet electrolyte Li-Ion.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/is_lithium_ion_the_ideal_battery
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I can definitely see why lithium ion is in use more than LiPo, after having learned a lot about LiPo battery technology and high performance electric motors and things like that. With the cheap manufacturing process and corner cutting that goes on with such a scale of mass production like main stream smart phones, planes would be falling out of the sky due to all the smartphones that would be exploding.
I use to argue the other way, that as long as people used them responsibly and didn't jack around with voltage changes and used OEM chargers it wasn't dangerous. Then I started paying attention online to how many people will plug their phone up to any charger they find buried in the back of their family's chicken coup dumping grounds.
Lipo batteries are MORE dangerous and susceptible to overcharging than Li-Ion. Lipo batteries expand when at a high state of charge, and overcharging causes rapid degradation of the cell, to the point where it short circuits itself and explodes in flames. That's why those of us in the RC community use fire socks to contain charging Li-Pos...
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Lipo batteries are MORE dangerous and susceptible to overcharging than Li-Ion. Lipo batteries expand when at a high state of charge, and overcharging causes rapid degradation of the cell, to the point where it short circuits itself and explodes in flames. That's why those of us in the RC community use fire socks to contain charging Li-Pos...
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My old droid X came with a LiPo batterry...after just 4 months of use it started to expand and get very hot...luckily i heard about this issue and bought a li-ion and the phone still works the last i knew...i gave it to a buddy like a month or two ago.
i think Rezound take more power then its tell in idle mode
for example if the phone idle for 10 hours and u got 50% left its will drain faster
then using it for 1 hour and then get 50%
also using the phone while recharging make the battery percent not correct
slow recharging can help battery recharge more energy
Proz00 said:
i think Rezound take more power then its tell in idle
for example if the phone idle for 10 hours and u got 50% left its will drain faster
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Those are wakelock issues that are easily fixable...have you looked into this and disabled them....alot of people have had alot less battery drain after doing so...i suggest viewing whats juicing down your phone to ensure that is what it is...a few of the 4.3 threads have explained the issue....LiPo batteries i hate to say it are made cheap and you get what you pay for...i'm speaking from pure experience
I've been looking at the extended batteries from powerbear and the like. None of them list which battery cells they use in their batteries. I've also seen a lot of complaints of the batteries dying at the 3 to 6 month mark.
Does anyone know which batteries use high quality battery cells, for example Samsung cells or at least the OEM battery cells?
Does anyone have long term experience with one of these batteries that hasn't degraded significantly or similarly to the OEM battery as far as equivalent capacity loss over time?
I posted this question on Amazon for a number of the extended batteries and only received a response from the
PERFINE who claim to use LG OEM battery cells.
No luck with responses from Powerbear, Zero Lemon and others.
Regards,
Mike
panamamike said:
I've been looking at the extended batteries from powerbear and the like. None of them list which battery cells they use in their batteries. I've also seen a lot of complaints of the batteries dying at the 3 to 6 month mark.
Does anyone know which batteries use high quality battery cells, for example Samsung cells or at least the OEM battery cells?
Does anyone have long term experience with one of these batteries that hasn't degraded significantly or similarly to the OEM battery as far as equivalent capacity loss over time?
I posted this question on Amazon for a number of the extended batteries and only received a response from the
PERFINE who claim to use LG OEM battery cells.
No luck with responses from Powerbear, Zero Lemon and others.
Regards,
Mike
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No idea, i can say ive been using powerbear for 5+months now with no issues. Battery life has not degraded more than 5-15%. Most likely the cells are lower quality, but the larger capacity should allow you to often have a lower depth of discharge and help them to last a bit longer.
ivoh95 said:
No idea, i can say ive been using powerbear for 5+months now with no issues. Battery life has not degraded more than 5-15%. Most likely the cells are lower quality, but the larger capacity should allow you to often have a lower depth of discharge and help them to last a bit longer.
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Thanks for the input, I'd really be interested to see how the battery holds up after the 6 mons. mark. Also, I'm assuming you're a heavy user.
Another thing I recently read was the way some of these batteries are put together. Some are simply two regular capacity batteries put together. Apparently this is a bad idea because the leveling of the battery usage isn't controlled since they are technically two separate batteries. Anyhow, it's good to hear the powerbear is holding up pretty well.
panamamike said:
Thanks for the input, I'd really be interested to see how the battery holds up after the 6 mons. mark. Also, I'm assuming you're a heavy user.
Another thing I recently read was the way some of these batteries are put together. Some are simply two regular capacity batteries put together. Apparently this is a bad idea because the leveling of the battery usage isn't controlled since they are technically two separate batteries. Anyhow, it's good to hear the powerbear is holding up pretty well.
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Third party chinese batteries are always a bit hit and miss. I have always used them like if it doesn't catch fire it is good. Putting two cells in parallel is not as bad as putting them in series so I would not worry about the balancing. They are poor quality batteries anyways so balancing does not give that much advantage in this scenario.
If the battery costs something like 20 bucks then don't worry about it lasting more than six months. It's cheap so just buy a new one if you want the best battery life. But don't get the cheapest if you don't want Note 7 problems. They have really poor quality cells and most likely no protection. Death traps if you ask me. 20 bucks should give you the protection and not the worst cells.
Here's a quick over view of my experience with this battery. So far I've been very impressed getting over 10 hours in SOT. It makes the phone about twice as thick at the bottom 2/3 but is actually quite nice to hold still and not too heavy. The actual capacity is massive I'm sure its the 6000mah they claim which is surprising considering how cheap it is relative to the other brands.
The back cover that comes with it does feel cheap and flimsy but I purchased the honeycomb case with the battery so that is not a big issue for me. My major concern with this battery is its voltage. On the battery it is printed that the Max charge voltage for the battery is 4.2V (the standard lithium ion Max voltage) but the lg g3 takes its battery up to 4.35 volts (due to modern phones using a slightly different li on chemistry). Constantly taking the battery to 4.35 volts when it is only designed for 4.2volts will significantly shorten its cycle life. For this reason I'm using an app called Battery charge limit to only charge my phone to 92% which is equivalent to around 4.2 volts.
Overall highly recommend it and the honeycomb case if you want to give your lg g3 a new lease on life and massive battery life without breaking the bank. Time will tell how long it'll hold up. Saw reviews saying after 6 months the battery swells up but hopefully by limiting how full it charged to that can be prevented.
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Here's a quick over view of my experience with this battery. So far I've been very impressed getting over 10 hours in SOT. It makes the phone about twice as thick at the bottom 2/3 but is actually quite nice to hold still and not too heavy. The actual capacity is massive I'm sure its the 6000mah they claim which is surprising considering how cheap it is relative to the other brands.
The back cover that comes with it does feel cheap and flimsy but I purchased the honeycomb case with the battery so that is not a big issue for me. My major concern with this battery is its voltage. On the battery it is printed that the Max charge voltage for the battery is 4.2V (the standard lithium ion Max voltage) but the lg g3 takes its battery up to 4.35 volts (due to modern phones using a slightly different li on chemistry). Constantly taking the battery to 4.35 volts when it is only designed for 4.2volts will significantly shorten its cycle life. For this reason I'm using an app called Battery charge limit to only charge my phone to 92% which is equivalent to around 4.2 volts.
Overall highly recommend it and the honeycomb case if you want to give your lg g3 a new lease on life and massive battery life without breaking the bank. Time will tell how long it'll hold up. Saw reviews saying after 6 months the battery swells up but hopefully by limiting how full it charged to that can be prevented.
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from where did you buy?
I'm in Australia so don't have access to Amazon so I got it straight off their website http://www.mpjbattery.com/mpjr-6000...ile-d850-at-t-vs985-verizon-ls990-sprint.html also have the honey comb case on there. If you're in US or UK or some magical place that has amazon you can get it off there.
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I'm in Australia so don't have access to Amazon so I got it straight off their website http://www.mpjbattery.com/mpjr-6000...ile-d850-at-t-vs985-verizon-ls990-sprint.html also have the honey comb case on there. If you're in US or UK or some magical place that has amazon you can get it off there.
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no 855 suport
Breno Spangler said:
no 855 suport
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Don't all g3 models use same battery? I have the d855 and it works fine. You lose NFC and wireless charging but I didn't use em anyway.
As long as your battery is BL-53YH it fits fine
Ah yes. That one I got aswell.
Not only acts as awesome battery, but comes with a SUPER COMFY case (feels icky going back to the usual case, this is way more handfriendly)
It should work for D855 too;
I bought one from aliexpress which was stating 7500 mah but the SOT is still the same with original battery. I tried some apps to estimate the capacity which actually was ~3000 mah.
So I dont want to waste money again. Can you share some screenshots for your SOT? BTW the shape of the battery and back cover is the same as this one
Nah haven't got any screenshots sorry mate, my g3 died of the dreaded screen flickering and fading bug. Trying to sell my extended battery now actually. But anyway I guarantee its an extended battery was getting 6+ hrs sot when I was getting 3 before. You can also look at the Hyperion 6000mah battery pretty sure it's a clone of the mpj or the other way around. You can look for YouTube videos of people using the battery too btw. Cheers.
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Nah haven't got any screenshots sorry mate, my g3 died of the dreaded screen flickering and fading bug. Trying to sell my extended battery now actually. But anyway I guarantee its an extended battery was getting 6+ hrs sot when I was getting 3 before. You can also look at the Hyperion 6000mah battery pretty sure it's a clone of the mpj or the other way around. You can look for YouTube videos of people using the battery too btw. Cheers.
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Sorry about your phone but PMed you about your battery...
Fellow Note 8 users, I recently got to replace my 1.5 yr old battery with a new bigger capacity one. 3500mah from Polarcell... Once I get a few charge cycles going with this one I'll post results!
I had 255 charge cycles on the old one and fg_asoc was 92, fullcapnom 2890.
Evidently as I'm a very curious person, I had to test the capacity of the old battery with a high tech hobby charger/discharger from Junsi, the 4010 DUO. As it stands out, fully charging the battery to 4.4V and then doing a deep discharge to 3V netted me 3273mAh. Be aware that this is a way deeper charge/discharge cycle than the phone would ever do. In order to prolong lifespan, Samsung is not using the full capacity of the battery.
Whether there's an algorithm tied to battery aging and fg_asoc, or the battery is actually a bit higher capacity than spec, it remains to be seen. I'll conduct more tests, and keep everybody posted.
Ask away any question the you may have and don't be bummed out it your Galaxy battery is reporting lower capacity from the start. It may not be the case.
Cheers,
Andrei.
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Samsung is not using the full capacity of the battery.
Whether there's an algorithm tied to battery aging and fg_asoc, or the battery is actually a bit higher capacity than spec,
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I've notice DJI doing the same thing with my Phantom 3 drone batteries whenever I use a hobby-grade charger connected directly to the terminals of the battery itself. I say this is a good design by Samsung if it is as you are suggesting.
Good thinking, I have a ph3 battery lying around wi5h no more than 50 cycles on it. I could measure that too!
You need to remember that your Phantom 3 batteries have a nominal 4.35V per cell as opposed to the usual 4.2, so you would need to factor this in to your hobby grade charger. I have a Hyperion EOS.... model. I've used this to "revive" several phone and laptop cells in the past (once the cell isn't internally damaged).
I don't think one needs to be concerned about fg_asoc or fg_fullcapnom once there isn't too much deep discharging of the cells.
Yes, I'm aware of that. Sometimes I undercharge my ph3 batteries by 0.05v to make them last longer. The 4010 duo is one hell of a charger and I love it!
Back to the note 8 battery, I'm getting spectacular battery life with the new bigger cell and the One UI update. Currently at 60% remaining with 24h of use and 3h of SOT. Stellar!
Cheers!
Just a question, did they reseal the back cover for waterproofing after?
There's no they, I did it myself. Bought some original Tesa double sided tape from ifixit.com and it worked great.