I've been looking at the extended batteries from powerbear and the like. None of them list which battery cells they use in their batteries. I've also seen a lot of complaints of the batteries dying at the 3 to 6 month mark.
Does anyone know which batteries use high quality battery cells, for example Samsung cells or at least the OEM battery cells?
Does anyone have long term experience with one of these batteries that hasn't degraded significantly or similarly to the OEM battery as far as equivalent capacity loss over time?
I posted this question on Amazon for a number of the extended batteries and only received a response from the
PERFINE who claim to use LG OEM battery cells.
No luck with responses from Powerbear, Zero Lemon and others.
Regards,
Mike
panamamike said:
I've been looking at the extended batteries from powerbear and the like. None of them list which battery cells they use in their batteries. I've also seen a lot of complaints of the batteries dying at the 3 to 6 month mark.
Does anyone know which batteries use high quality battery cells, for example Samsung cells or at least the OEM battery cells?
Does anyone have long term experience with one of these batteries that hasn't degraded significantly or similarly to the OEM battery as far as equivalent capacity loss over time?
I posted this question on Amazon for a number of the extended batteries and only received a response from the
PERFINE who claim to use LG OEM battery cells.
No luck with responses from Powerbear, Zero Lemon and others.
Regards,
Mike
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No idea, i can say ive been using powerbear for 5+months now with no issues. Battery life has not degraded more than 5-15%. Most likely the cells are lower quality, but the larger capacity should allow you to often have a lower depth of discharge and help them to last a bit longer.
ivoh95 said:
No idea, i can say ive been using powerbear for 5+months now with no issues. Battery life has not degraded more than 5-15%. Most likely the cells are lower quality, but the larger capacity should allow you to often have a lower depth of discharge and help them to last a bit longer.
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Thanks for the input, I'd really be interested to see how the battery holds up after the 6 mons. mark. Also, I'm assuming you're a heavy user.
Another thing I recently read was the way some of these batteries are put together. Some are simply two regular capacity batteries put together. Apparently this is a bad idea because the leveling of the battery usage isn't controlled since they are technically two separate batteries. Anyhow, it's good to hear the powerbear is holding up pretty well.
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Thanks for the input, I'd really be interested to see how the battery holds up after the 6 mons. mark. Also, I'm assuming you're a heavy user.
Another thing I recently read was the way some of these batteries are put together. Some are simply two regular capacity batteries put together. Apparently this is a bad idea because the leveling of the battery usage isn't controlled since they are technically two separate batteries. Anyhow, it's good to hear the powerbear is holding up pretty well.
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Third party chinese batteries are always a bit hit and miss. I have always used them like if it doesn't catch fire it is good. Putting two cells in parallel is not as bad as putting them in series so I would not worry about the balancing. They are poor quality batteries anyways so balancing does not give that much advantage in this scenario.
If the battery costs something like 20 bucks then don't worry about it lasting more than six months. It's cheap so just buy a new one if you want the best battery life. But don't get the cheapest if you don't want Note 7 problems. They have really poor quality cells and most likely no protection. Death traps if you ask me. 20 bucks should give you the protection and not the worst cells.
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For everyone with Batterylife complaints here are 3 options for you. NEW Updated Post.
Battery Adaptor Pro:
http://www.boxwave.com/products/batteryadapter/index.htm
This is by far the best option in my opinion for battery life problems. This little device about the size of the hermes, a little wider and very sleek / feels good in your hands. Its only $22.50 and worth every penny! What the device does is take AA batteries (4) and recharge your device via the USB cable. You can use the phone while its recharging too! What makes this device even more great is that is uses batteries, not its own rechargable battery, so on a long flights or long road trips or whatever the case may be, all you have to do is stock up on AA's and your good to go! It also comes with a flash light, VERY BRIGHT LED's for dark situations, although random, it comes in handy alot in dark situations trying to find your way to something or trying to hook the USB cable in. It recharges the Hermes about 6 times in my personal expirience with Duracell batteries. But get this! The best thing that makes this device worth every penny is that its compatible with ANYTHING that supports USB charging. This includes all other phones, Ipods, Personal video players, MP3 Players, Cameras you name it! Its great for keeping all your devices with battery power on any trip you go on especially if you travel alot. I no longer have to worry about battery life anymore with this thing. Its very small and easily can go in a pocket or a pouch in your backpack. No longer do you have to suffer with BIG bulky batteries to keep you going through the day/days. I highly recommend this unit and give it a 10/10!
You can Get an Extended battery 3000MAH from:
http://www.lionbattery.com/description.php?noproduit=477
Although very bulky the battery life boost is amazing. My friend has this phone (I don't have one yet, i just sold my 8125) and I have indeed tested it for myself. The battery will last you 10 hours before it hits 80% battery life. With these ten hours I was able to web browse, text message, use agile messanger, playing Doom 3D, Warcraft II, Sim City, Play music at 45% volume. at 60% batterylife I it had been over 25 hours already. With you constantly using 3G, push email and such Id probably say you can get a minimum of 35 hours of battery life with this battery. If you are not so hardcore You probably will get over 50 hours of battery life with this battery. The only cons I have to this battery are the size. its a great investment if you are one of those people always going on bussiness trips and such. You can charge both your stock battery and This battery and use the stock until it runs out then pull out the heavy duty. I highly recommend this battery. This battery comes with a cover for the 8525 too. 9/10
For all those who can't stand the size of this battery there is hope for you.
http://www.seidioonline.com/index.as...ROD&ProdID=333
The stock battery for the 8525 is 1350 mAh, and this one is 1500 mAh, this battery won't improve your battery situations much at all but it is cheaper than the option of buying one from HTC or cingular. You can get both the stock battery and this one and have them both charged to last you however long you need. Although a tight fit it still fits in the battery comparment and works with the 8525. 8/10
I hope this helps some of your frustrations with battery life with this phone.
-SonicCrackers
Pity about the thickness, but the sheer capacity makes one think twice... More than double the normal mah...
I just ordered the 3000mAh battery from lion's website - I'm getting low battery warnings towards the end of the day. I'll let you know how it works out!
lemme know how it is
Well, it's supposed to arrive today - I can't wait! My phone died before I made it home yesterday - very irritating!
Has anyone tried one of those 1500mh batteries? I don;'t want the extended one because my brodit mount will become useless and and just suxs. Anyone have an opinion?
http://www.ipods99.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=HTCHERMSL&click=35
Yey!
Well, I got my Lion 300mAh battery and I have to say I'm pleased overall! I'm still breaking it in but so far it has lasted a complete day with Wi-Fi on and a hour worth of movie watching. It came very nicely packaged from the company - it also has a 6 month warranty according to the paperwork. The battery is approx. twice as big as the OEM battery. My biggest complaint is the battery door doesn't fit quite as snug as the original... near the camera it has a chamfered edge instead of the rounded edge on the OEM door. Also, there is slightly more clearance to the left and right than the other door. After a week when the battery is broke in, I'll give a proper update on battery life (Lion recommends 5 complete charge/discharge cycles for maximum capacity). I have several pictures of it, but I can't figure out how to post them here ><
Im very glad the battery worked out for you lacroixdp . Yeah the non HTC made battery covers wont fit on the battery as much as it should but enough to get the job done. I'm glad the battery last as long as it does expecially with all that Wifi usage.
4 u slimsaturn the 1500 battery, there is no difference to be seen, its just a cheaper alternative to having 2 batteries to switch between on those long bussiness trips, for improving battery life however, u will not see a difference.
There was some talk of a 2000mAh battery for the hermes that wsa the size of the original one. I think it was supposed to be from lion battery as well. Anyone have any news on this?
Well after a few days following their recommendation on the complete charge/discharge cycle, I can safely say it is an excellent battery! At the end of work, I'm at 80% charge still. With the same usage before, it was always between 30 and 20 giving me low battery warnings. I DEFINITELY recommend the 3000!
I got one off ebay 3400MAH I hope its better or good.
I thought about that one but decided to stick with lionbattery.com and Mugen since they have a solid reputation for batteries. Plus I have a 6 month warranty to use if I ever need to.
To bad lionbattery seems to be out of stock everytime I check
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xSoNiCcRaCkErSx said:
Im very glad the battery worked out for you lacroixdp . Yeah the non HTC made battery covers wont fit on the battery as much as it should but enough to get the job done. I'm glad the battery last as long as it does expecially with all that Wifi usage.
4 u slimsaturn the 1500 battery, there is no difference to be seen, its just a cheaper alternative to having 2 batteries to switch between on those long bussiness trips, for improving battery life however, u will not see a difference.
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I've had the 1500 battery for about a week. I cannot tell any difference between this one and the stock batter but for the fact that I have to use scotch tape to keep the back on. I used the Lion battery on my i730, but hated the size. I am ready to deal with the size due to the fact that I cannot deal with the shortness of battery life.
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To bad lionbattery seems to be out of stock everytime I check
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More are coming in next week. They are really, really popular!
Mark
lacroixdp said:
I thought about that one but decided to stick with lionbattery.com and Mugen since they have a solid reputation for batteries. Plus I have a 6 month warranty to use if I ever need to.
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Our batteries come with a one year warranty, not six months.
Mark
I Second the good rating of the 3000mAh Mugen Power Battery.
I bought it for my HTC TyTN from the Netherlands and alhough it bulges to double the size of the standard battery from the back plate - I like it though; gives me better grip on the slippery phone! - it gives me looong life compared to the standard issue (1350 mAh).
As noted earlier, along the sides the extended back plate does not fit 100% snugly, with a (very) minute gap on both sides. But not enough for the back plate to come loose though. Plus the edges (the rubber stopper at back - the antennae socket) is not smoothly cambered. Nothing a nail file couldn't fix though.
Great battery Mugen Power!
Haha that's even better I emailed in about the door and 15 minutes later I got a reply and a tracking number for a new door - excellent service! You've definitely earned a repeat customer! Are you coming out with an extended battery for the Treo 750 soon?
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Our batteries come with a one year warranty, not six months.
Mark
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Hi,
I have about 3 months with my TyTN and I can see that battery life has been reduced. Battery duration is decreased and charge time I guess that is reduced too. Is there a known battery calibration problem or this is a normal behaviour for a 3 months old battery???
Regards,
Taguapire.
Because I am on holiday I had a chance to do a controlled test of the battery. I charged the standard battery, turned on the phone and made one call a day to just make sure its still working. I also forced the band into gsm only. My battery lasted 7 days from full to flat. I then did the same thing being only in umts and I got 3 days only. The test is controlled because I did not physically move the device at all in that time, so signal strength and tower searching would be kept constant.
I think that is pretty clear the 3g is the killer. The dopod 838 pro lasted longer than my magician would have under the same sircumstances.
Looking through eBay and found an extended slim battery for the LG G3 , anyone try it? There a few different capacities and prices.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-A-3950m..._Cell_Phone_PDA_Batteries&hash=item2a463ddaea
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Looking through eBay and found an extended slim battery for the LG G3 , anyone try it? There a few different capacities and prices.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-A-3950m..._Cell_Phone_PDA_Batteries&hash=item2a463ddaea
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The chemistry of LI batteries is fixed. These aftermarket batteries haven't found some technological miracle. To increase battery capacity by nearly 30%, as claimed, there are really only a couple of things you can do. Increase the number of [same size] cells by 30%, or increase the size of each cell by about 30%. You could make each cell marginally bigger by making the cell barriers thinner, at the risk of leaks and fires, but you're not going to get 30% more chemistry that way.
The other thing the manufacturer could do is tweak the circuitry to allow the phone to overcharge the battery, but that's not going to work for very long.
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The chemistry of LI batteries is fixed. These aftermarket batteries haven't found some technological miracle. To increase battery capacity by nearly 30%, as claimed, there are really only a couple of things you can do. Increase the number of [same size] cells by 30%, or increase the size of each cell by about 30%. You could make each cell marginally bigger by making the cell barriers thinner, at the risk of leaks and fires, but you're not going to get 30% more chemistry that way.
The other thing the manufacturer could do is tweak the circuitry to allow the phone to overcharge the battery, but that's not going to work for very long.
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Meyer, thanks for the reply. I figure that these batteries were made on the cheap side and not good quality. But sometimes you find a decent one. I'll stick to OEM.
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Meyer, thanks for the reply. I figure that these batteries were made on the cheap side and not good quality. But sometimes you find a decent one. I'll stick to OEM.
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They may be perfectly fine batteries, but they're not likely to give you more capacity than OEM. Probably less. But I've used cheap aftermarket batteries in other phones as spares and backups, and they don't generally seem to last.
Just picked up a new replacement battery for the G3, will test and see how much longer this supposedly "3800" rating is...=)
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Just picked up a new replacement battery for the G3, will test and see how much longer this supposedly "3800" rating is...=)
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good luck budy...i hope your phone dont die or that battery dont explode...is a well known battery and some people have a lot of problems with that...
i dont recomend that kind of battery...is way better spend more 5/10 bucks for original one and have two battery's.
anyway, good luck!!
Really interested in seeing the results as well. I have been looking for a slim battery that will last me through the whole day easily.
Yes, I'm also very curious!
When I was looking for spare batteries I've seen this one but I did not trust is because of the big capacity increase...
Let us now how it works out!
My SOT is so bad. I just installed a mod to increase the battery life. Let's hope that works.
Found review for the one OP posted. Does not look that good. There is another one here with so-so review.
AnTuTu Battery Results....
After my second full charge, i ran the AnTuTu Battery Tester, and lets just say it didnt like this battery at all. I will continue to use it for the rest of the week, and see how it performs on a more with my normal day-to-day usage. I will also post another benchmark on the original battery after a full year of usage, and see how it compares to the new one.
LG Battery History....
...this is the screen shot from the Battery Widget, on the Battery History, when the AnTuTu Battery Benchmark was running, so it looks like only getting around 2+ hours....
Don't believe what the knock off batteries say. There's no way they can fit more battery into the same size as the original without dumping millions into R&D to create a new type of battery.
....after a week of usage, buyer beware...lol, you get what you pay for I guess. really just a sub-par battery, and I will now be using as power bank replacement...and continue using the ORIGINAL battery which came with the device...lol, $9 for a power bank ok i guess... Just Buy the Real Stuff people.
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....after a week of usage, buyer beware...lol, you get what you pay for I guess. really just a sub-par battery, and I will now be using as power bank replacement...and continue using the ORIGINAL battery which came with the device...lol, $9 for a power bank ok i guess... Just Buy the Real Stuff people.
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Yeeeeeep, the cheapo batteries off ebay always overstate the mah of the battery, and after a few months begin to degrade very rapidly, and your battery life will be worse.
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Don't believe what the knock off batteries say. There's no way they can fit more battery into the same size as the original without dumping millions into R&D to create a new type of battery.
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Hi, thats not correct. First, the companys dont invest millions in this batterys. We have the same technic in the g4 as it was in the g2.
Second, sure its possible to get more mah in a pack with the same size.
To get more with the same size, the distance between the celles get smaller.
So they bring in more cells in the same size.
But the problem is that 500mah is nothing.
With standard 3000mah we take a number of 3 hours SOT.
If we count simple, we get from 500mah the power for only 30min.
To get the full power of a battery its recommend to make around 5 to 8 full loading phases. In this time the battery is the same or a little less than the original.
Is the loading phase complete, we get like count around 30min more.
If the screen is brighter or you write a sms more then normal the min go down.
So, i would say thats normaly its not measurable but its really more power inside.
I buy alwasy cheap batterys and had never problems. All manufacterer of batterys buy the cells from 3 or 4 big companies. Inside is all the same.
watch out guys!!!!
i have used cheape batteries from ebay amazon ect.......
after 2 batteries my motherboard died !!!! and even befor that my device have said many times battery invailed and wont power on because the contact (piece tgat contact the battery and suply the power) wasn't recaching into the cheap battery
Hi,
I've got some unanswered questions, at least for me.
So,
1.) I have two batteries. One is original with 3000 mAh and other one is 5200 mAh. Other one with 5200 mAh lasts longer (ofcourse it does) but when I check capacity of it with some app, it always says that battery has only 3000 mAh. So it makes me wonder if app says wrong or battery has really only 3000 mAh.
2.) Using above mentioned batter (5200 mAh one) makes my phone warmer. At least I think so. I will use original one for a week to test if that is really true. Does anyone has any similar situation to mine? While using 3rd party battery makes phone warmer.
3.) Under the post are pictures of my genuine battery. Since I bought this phone as a used one, I don't actually know how old the battery is actually. So on battery is pasted a date and it says 15th of January 2016. So it makes me wonder is the battery really only half of the year old, even if seller calms that phone is 2 years old. Someone please confirms that for me.
Thank you in advance
Well if the 5200 battery is the same physical size as the original then it is one of those cheap knockoff batteries. To get more power you have to have a bigger battery. Now as far as heating issue if it is a cheap battery then it could very well get hotter than oem. Be aware that if these batteries get to hot it can become dangerous/deadly.
My suggestion (which many others will say the same) is got to Amazon and order the anker replacements (2 batteries and external charger) for around $20.
Fellow Note 8 users, I recently got to replace my 1.5 yr old battery with a new bigger capacity one. 3500mah from Polarcell... Once I get a few charge cycles going with this one I'll post results!
I had 255 charge cycles on the old one and fg_asoc was 92, fullcapnom 2890.
Evidently as I'm a very curious person, I had to test the capacity of the old battery with a high tech hobby charger/discharger from Junsi, the 4010 DUO. As it stands out, fully charging the battery to 4.4V and then doing a deep discharge to 3V netted me 3273mAh. Be aware that this is a way deeper charge/discharge cycle than the phone would ever do. In order to prolong lifespan, Samsung is not using the full capacity of the battery.
Whether there's an algorithm tied to battery aging and fg_asoc, or the battery is actually a bit higher capacity than spec, it remains to be seen. I'll conduct more tests, and keep everybody posted.
Ask away any question the you may have and don't be bummed out it your Galaxy battery is reporting lower capacity from the start. It may not be the case.
Cheers,
Andrei.
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Samsung is not using the full capacity of the battery.
Whether there's an algorithm tied to battery aging and fg_asoc, or the battery is actually a bit higher capacity than spec,
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I've notice DJI doing the same thing with my Phantom 3 drone batteries whenever I use a hobby-grade charger connected directly to the terminals of the battery itself. I say this is a good design by Samsung if it is as you are suggesting.
Good thinking, I have a ph3 battery lying around wi5h no more than 50 cycles on it. I could measure that too!
You need to remember that your Phantom 3 batteries have a nominal 4.35V per cell as opposed to the usual 4.2, so you would need to factor this in to your hobby grade charger. I have a Hyperion EOS.... model. I've used this to "revive" several phone and laptop cells in the past (once the cell isn't internally damaged).
I don't think one needs to be concerned about fg_asoc or fg_fullcapnom once there isn't too much deep discharging of the cells.
Yes, I'm aware of that. Sometimes I undercharge my ph3 batteries by 0.05v to make them last longer. The 4010 duo is one hell of a charger and I love it!
Back to the note 8 battery, I'm getting spectacular battery life with the new bigger cell and the One UI update. Currently at 60% remaining with 24h of use and 3h of SOT. Stellar!
Cheers!
Just a question, did they reseal the back cover for waterproofing after?
There's no they, I did it myself. Bought some original Tesa double sided tape from ifixit.com and it worked great.