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I am. And here's why:
1. Consistently LOW RAM in ICS, which leads to issues with apps being very sluggish, or sometimes custom wallpapers in Whatsapp/ChompSMS/GoSMS not loading. No such issue in GB. SIM Toolkit takes up 35MB, HDMI takes 50+ MB, etc etc. I usually only have 80-120MB free for apps. A far cry from the 200+ in GB.
2. Low WiFi signal - No such issue in GB.
3. Occasional freeze. No such issue in GB.
I have:
- Done a reset and installed everything from scratch (no improvement)
- Done a clean flash and re-installed everything from scratch (no improvement).
So, back to .75 GB for me.
Try another firmware.
Repair with pcc or sus.
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You're, again, one of the many who is complaining about ICS...
Well if you want to downgrade, that's something you should do. I have to say my experience is just fine. As seen in the screenshot, memory is just fine. SwiftKey is consuming about 60MB of RAM, but besides that there's nothing troubling.
Battery is fine as well. Heavy usage gives me about 17 hours (WhatsApp, GTalk, Browser, Walkman, Google Reader, Facebook, WordFeud).
Also WiFi.. I guess you might be right with that. But I can't say it with certainty, as my WiFi signal has always been low...
I did have to do a complete wipe and remove Google's Backup of my data to make everything work fine.
And here is mine not rooted.
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I was also thinking of downgrading and actually I did and used for couple of days before I decided to try again, which is a great thing I did.
Mine is smooth (well, almost there) besides the Facebook application itself and shuttering music when played through the Bluetooth. Given the fact that this is the first ICS firmware, I'm sure that there will be bug fix soon, but there isn't anything which you can't handle.
I've no launcher re-draws so far, no lags (besides occasional ones in the launcher) and I've more than 70 applications installed and more than two dozen running in the back ground.
If you want to go back, well it's your phone and your choice and no one is stopping you!
ICS had been a great experience for me, much smoother over all, issues with GB have been fixed, stock browser is excellent, speaker during call is loud, much better bluetooth, ICS animations, far better keyboard, contact groups, higher bitrate camera and list goes on.
Issues with memory are redundant, wifi signal might appear lower but I've never had drops and I use hotspot for vpn to work on trips.
Battery life is the same for me 1.5 days with medium use.
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I already downgraded.
I might upgrade again on the weekend with the rooting guide.
The main problem I had with ics is unacceptable battery drain in standby, with root hopefullyi might be able to pin point the cause and fix the issue.
I do hope Sony are aware of the problems and patch them soon, because ics on the xs is pretty damn good and I miss not having it.
upgraded again. Stock ICS Au Generic via PCC.
I now understand why reviews of this phone weren't so great with it running GB. :cyclops:
The battery life on ICS improved a lot after rooting & uninstalling some preinstalled apps. I noticed significant improvement in standby time after uninstalling ANT radio (related services), Update service etc. and many other useless (for me) apps/services which were draining a lot of battery (esp. on standby)! And it also gives a lot of free ram (about 250-350 mb).
ICS has been faster, smoother, better looking (esp small font) without any lags/redraws for me. There are many improved apps and all but also are a few glitches/minor bugs on this ICS build by sony which hopefully shall be fixed soon!
Overall, I would say that ICS is Faster and Cooler than GB, but GB surely is much stable/Reliable wrt current ICS build. I am on CE ICS rom.
Well if you don't mind trying development stuff, there is this custom ROM already out there which has some tweaks and lots of things removed which makes battery life better by removing programs that would otherwise be running in the background and it will also help speed a little.
Even though, it is a custom ROM. But talking about vanilla ICS i think its just as good as GB. Its common for it to use more RAM as most of newer programs do (Like Windows 7 vs Windows XP) or so, but thats just using the resources we got.
On the Linux kernel, free RAM is wasted RAM.
KeiranFTW said:
On the Linux kernel, free RAM is wasted RAM.
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Yes but to cache things you need the RAM in the first place, you can't make it appear out of thin air. Removing some system apps can still help overall.
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gparent said:
Yes but to cache things you need the RAM in the first place, you can't make it appear out of thin air. Removing some system apps can still help overall.
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That's why some tasks are ended for new ones to start
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On the Linux kernel, free RAM is wasted RAM.
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Yes, as you have repeatedly said in multiple threads. However, free RAM on the xps is not wasted, it actually provides a smoother experience and allows Apps to load properly without constant redrawing and cache swapping. It's also not ending tasks for new ones to start as all the system apps which cannot be killed are clogging the ram.
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Rashkae said:
Yes, as you have repeatedly said in multiple threads. However, free RAM on the xps is not wasted, it actually provides a smoother experience and allows Apps to load properly without constant redrawing and cache swapping. It's also not ending tasks for new ones to start as all the system apps which cannot be killed are clogging the ram.
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I also rolled back to GB. For me ICS is just a hair smoother, but ICS on Galaxy neuxs is way smoother, so i'm not impressed.
LED notification is not working.
So other than that, the whole experience is just very similar to GB if not the same. after rolled back to GB, i don't miss ICS a bit, lol.
for the Free RAM is waste RAM stuff, i don't offense it because it is Linux, but on my ipad3, still 1GB ram, after boot up, it showed 803MB free, and it just works (fast and smooth inside out), but again they are completely different system, can't say which is better, don't comment on multitasking since they both just work.
BUT hey, Xperia launcher used excessive amount of ram but still not smooth in ICS and GB, what are you caching, app performance in GB is just as good as in ICS, everything is fast but not smooth (compare to my gf's lower spec Galaxy nexus). She asked why and insisted i should pick galaxy nexus, i can't say a word, lol. (but i love XS design and HDMI output)
So, if you don't mind GB is older and encounter many problems in ICS, roll back wouldn't hurt you a bit.:laugh:
Do you think there will be any ICS fix from Sony? Becasue toomorrow i am going to buy XS, and i am deciding whether to stay on GB or upgrade to ISC.
Nothing else i care but, wifi signal and camera. I use wifi mostly when i am on my bed, and until now I had always 1/3 signal (HTC Desire S, Xperia U). I am sure on GB it will be the same, but i am afraid what will happen after upgrade on ICS I hope i will not have any problems. What do you think?
And what about camera? Has improved with ICS?
mmarekk11 said:
Do you think there will be any ICS fix from Sony? Becasue toomorrow i am going to buy XS, and i am deciding whether to stay on GB or upgrade to ISC.
Nothing else i care but, wifi signal and camera. I use wifi mostly when i am on my bed, and until now I had always 1/3 signal (HTC Desire S, Xperia U). I am sure on GB it will be the same, but i am afraid what will happen after upgrade on ICS I hope i will not have any problems. What do you think?
And what about camera? Has improved with ICS?
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There is an ics update soon...
Wifi on ics is the same as gb,maybe the icon show less bars but connectivity is the same.
Yes the camera has improved on ics.
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Do you think there will be any ICS fix from Sony? Becasue toomorrow i am going to buy XS, and i am deciding whether to stay on GB or upgrade to ISC.
Nothing else i care but, wifi signal and camera. I use wifi mostly when i am on my bed, and until now I had always 1/3 signal (HTC Desire S, Xperia U). I am sure on GB it will be the same, but i am afraid what will happen after upgrade on ICS I hope i will not have any problems. What do you think?
And what about camera? Has improved with ICS?
there is a new update in line..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1763534
http://www.ptcrb.com/vendor/complete/view_complete_request_guest.cfm?modelid=20799
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Why would you want that instead of the task still running (or being cached rather than killed) because there's enough RAM? Thanks for proving my point.
I've noticed the higher version of android I go up on my phone, the more ram applications use and the system itself does.
So my question is, when is it that our phones won't have enough ram to handle more than one app running? The max my phone can handle with 403 system ram using the devil kernel on JB is like about 2-3, then the app restarts or refreshes.
What about you guys?
Hmm I've felt that the higher, the less ram. I was on slimbean and I had 180+ available ram all the time. Well, when playing music it would drop to 170 mb, but its still really good. Right now I'm on aokp and I have music, kakaotalk, Google services, lookout, android keyboard all taking up ram under running apps and I still have about 160 mb free. Aokp has this performance tweak that controls how much ram will be free on every reboot. That's why I have so much free ram even though my total is only 378 mb. You should try aokp. Its really nice
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My phone's on Android2.3.6. It has 366M Ram, and I've no lag or FC.
More Ram means less sth. else, as the Galaxy S variants have only 512 ram.
The phone may lose 720P recording on 403 Ram, other weird things may happen too.
For daily use, I prefer 366M ram.
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My phone's on Android2.3.6. It has 366M Ram, and I've no lag or FC.
More Ram means less sth. else, as the Galaxy S variants have only 512 ram.
The phone may lose 720P recording on 403 Ram, other weird things may happen too.
For daily use, I prefer 366M ram.
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Haha, sorry I find that funny. GB has always been slow and unstable. Froyo was good thanks to Bionix and Fishman. Even though GB looked nice and was fun playing around with, (LOVED Sensation ROM and RevoultionROM JVQ) they began to lag after a while and unfortunately GPS did not work. ICS was really nice but it had the EU bug. JB is (obviously) the fastest version.
Also, the phone WILL lose 720p recording on 403 mb of RAM, but thats why you use 391 mb. I dont notice a difference between ~10mb of RAM. I dont know why you would prefer 366 mb on gingerbread, (which is really slow compared to JB) as opposed to JB's 391 mb.
Android has been trying to smooth itself out so to run the OS itself should be enough. You can freeze the system apps you don't need so they won't automatically load themselves. To run newer games you will need a device with more ram though.
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My phone's on Android2.3.6. It has 366M Ram, and I've no lag or FC.
More Ram means less sth. else, as the Galaxy S variants have only 512 ram.
The phone may lose 720P recording on 403 Ram, other weird things may happen too.
For daily use, I prefer 366M ram.
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I must ask this as you said you were on 2.3.6 but didn't give a specific ROM name. Does your phone have a stock front facing camera?
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But guys, for example try using some of the newer app, there is also lag for some reason. And when i switch between apps, they take a while to load. Maybe i need to use zram.
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But guys, for example try using some of the newer app, there is also lag for some reason. And when i switch between apps, they take a while to load. Maybe i need to use zram.
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Maybe you need CM7 and glitch kernel. Seriously.
The thing is Vibrant doesn't have enough memory to smoothly handle multitasking and avoid casual lag (especially when pressing the recent apps button) on v4.x.x OSes.
It's great that a lot of developers spend their time porting ICS and JB, but actually I need a working and responsive phone.
Think about it, if it were false then we wouldn't have any need for newer models.
Why buying a GS3? I can run JB on my Vibrant! wooo!
Of course this is just my humble point of view, I'm not partecipating in a political debate.
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Haha, sorry I find that funny. GB has always been slow and unstable.
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Yeah, I find it funny too... somehow.
By the way, there's a huge difference between 2.3.4/6 and 2.3.7.
Obviously the vibe isn't packing 2gb of ram like the US gs3 and note2 but I've been running PA JB for a while. The only thing that seems to lag is Google search/now/browser. Other than that it runs smooth! I have about 30+ launchable system and user apps. The key is to kill app back and minimize background processes
(mines set at 3). There are other ram management choices as well.
As I said, its no gs3 but for an almost 3yr old device this vibrator is buzzing strong!
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Obviously the vibe isn't packing 2gb of ram like the US gs3 and note2 but I've been running PA JB for a while. The only thing that seems to lag is Google search/now/browser. Other than that it runs smooth! I have about 30+ launchable system and user apps. The key is to kill app back and minimize background processes
(mines set at 3). There are other ram management choices as well.
As I said, its no gs3 but for an almost 3yr old device this vibrator is buzzing strong!
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I agree... for a three year old phone these things kick ass. Im running SlimBean 2.8 which is insanely stable and responsive and quick... I have no lag issues and no force close issues and my RAM is 277MB used and 132MB free, give or take, thats with Update Me, Google Services, Keyboard, and Facebook running. I can use FB, Slacker, any browser I want... never have issues and the phone feels smoother than stock GS3 IMO... I have processes set to 3 as well and have never had a problem. Just remember we only have 512MB to work with... :silly::highfive:
http://www.downloadmoreram.com/
No need to thank me.
X to the rescue!! I downloaded 1gb and wow.....that's all I can say!
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Yep, this is still a problem.
I just noticed my that Sony may have been right in directing me to check available RAM on ICS. I have a tiny amount of RAM available and had to delete many apps, still the phone doesn't run smoothly.
Anyone here still on Gingerbread? What's your available RAM like? Roughly, how many apps do you have installed? I may switch back, I've had enough.
I can see why this happened:
http://www.androidauthority.com/o2-sony-xperia-ray-arc-neo-ics-update-112137/
Flashing time maybe
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Yep, this is still a problem.
I just noticed my that Sony may have been right in directing me to check available RAM on ICS. I have a tiny amount of RAM available and had to delete many apps, still the phone doesn't run smoothly.
Anyone here still on Gingerbread? What's your available RAM like? Roughly, how many apps do you have installed? I may switch back, I've had enough.
We do not have the same phones so i do not know if the following is relevant or even possible for you. I recently flashed the ics333 rom with a semaphore kernel on my Galaxy SI and it really flies. If i have understood correctly the semaphore kernel frees up extra ram. I now have on average 140-170Mb available instead of 30-60Mb It makes such a difference. even games like Temple Run which i could not play before work without lag.
You should maybe consider flashing an optimised rom, if available.
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A better kernel, or simply a custom ROM, I appreciate your help! :victory:
I came back from my first trip to Paris and my camera app kept freezing, it drove me crazy. I'll definitely look into the kernels.
SharpnShiny said:
Yep, this is still a problem.
I just noticed my that Sony may have been right in directing me to check available RAM on ICS. I have a tiny amount of RAM available and had to delete many apps, still the phone doesn't run smoothly.
Anyone here still on Gingerbread? What's your available RAM like? Roughly, how many apps do you have installed? I may switch back, I've had enough.
I just switched back to GB stock ROM (184 kernel) after having tried ICS stock and xICS Hybrid ROM. In both the ICS based ROMs , I found that the battery usage is quite high (both normal usage and standby) . Also the phone started freezing after a certain number of apps were launched. I face no such issues in GB Stock ROM and it is quite fast too. Also Sony has done a good work wid UI esp. Gesture based typing and word predicition(which is quite accurate)
I have around 12-15 apps installed and I use most of them regularly yet I always have around 90-120 MB of free RAM and I have never run into issues with free RAM as such.
Also, while using ICS receiving a call used to be laggy esp when you are in middle of something and u get a call but GB is quite good in that respect. So I can safely suggest GB is well suited for Sola . Go for ICS only if you need a feature specific to it or if you are too crazy about new UI. Hope this helps a bit :laugh:
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That really helps, thanks! :good:
I couldn't remember much about RAM usage on GingerB but I knew that I didn't have that freezing problem with apps or with phone calls etc. On ICS, I checked my RAM and it was constantly around 20MB, I never imagined I'd be the person that installed too many apps for the RAM to handle. I think Sony made some poor decisions re: RAM and OS upgrade.
Thankfully we can backup our ROMS so easily so I think I'll go back to Gingerbread.
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That really helps, thanks! :good:
I couldn't remember much about RAM usage on GingerB but I knew that I didn't have that freezing problem with apps or with phone calls etc. On ICS, I checked my RAM and it was constantly around 20MB, I never imagined I'd be the person that installed too many apps for the RAM to handle. I think Sony made some poor decisions re: RAM and OS upgrade.
Thankfully we can backup our ROMS so easily so I think I'll go back to Gingerbread.
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Juts to add to my last post, After switching back to GB I found that the battery usage (on standby ) overnight dropped to 3% from 30-40% in case of ICS based ROMs :laugh:
Greetings my dear friends.
I'm here to give my verdict on the upgrade to ICS after 2 months using the ICS Stock ROM I could finish something. Read and understand.
I have an XPERIA U ST25a retail brazilian.
Sure, the stock ICS ROM is very attractive, all good new stuff found in Android 4.0 are very good, like the new UI or settings menu, the toggles easily accessible are very useful, but the apparent instability and slowness (in moments) make me think why I bought this phone, and also think about going back to the old but great stock GB ROM.
And yes, i use ICS ROM, I made my own modifications and tweaks to the all-bloated ICS Stock ROM get the maximum performance.
But the bugs are really ridiculous.
The battery only charges sometimes if the phone is restarted, otherwise the indicator will be locked at 39%, for example.
The camera seems to be slow compared to the old Stock GingerBread ROM.
The open / close applications is not slow, but sometimes the application takes to respond as if something sucking the system performance.
All these bugs may (or may not) be Sony's problem, but since the era of my old devices I have these SAME problems in some ICS ROMs (I've also tested the FXP CM9 rom, and believe me, if you fill up with apps, will be slow too).
It seems that Android 4.0 ICS is always buggy and slow, and then Eclair 2.1 (horrible) then followed by the 2.2 Froyo (good).
My conclusion: Don't upgrade if you hate a phone will be a little bit slower.
I just do not go back to stock GB ROM why I still enjoy a good user interface instead of performance.
But if you do not like one bit of minimal slowdowns or some bugs, DO NOT bother upgrading to ICS. Just a beautiful day, we have the long awaited Jelly Bean. Even if it is a CM10, the "Butter Project" realizes disappear with lags. And all these little problems may be fixed.
I just let my experience here on this upgrade does not seem that there be a good idea.
Thank you very much
What ics firmware build number are you talking about?
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About any ICS firmware. I've tested B.1.10, B.1.54 and C.1.10 and of these three have similar and different problems. Its a problem about android 4.0 that have been build focused on research data...
Ics is a very ram hungry ...if u have a device which has ram 512 or below that, them trust me it's best to stay at GB.. In my Xperia P ICS eats up 500MB of my ram.i am just left with 430 MB of usable memory...
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Ics is a very ram hungry ...if u have a device which has ram 512 or below that, them trust me it's best to stay at GB.. In my Xperia P ICS eats up 500MB of my ram.i am just left with 430 MB of usable memory...
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But in android free ram doesn't mean more performance, lag will only appear when RAM reaches the "lag level" (30~25 free ram)
Here on my XPU i have 120~140MB free and i don't have any lag. BTW if you install a bunch of crappy apps and let the bloatware of Sony installed you will certainly will get some lag. Even on a XPP with 1GB of RAM you can feel some lags, i've already tested yet!
Yes if you say it like that.. Then yes under a microscope ICS does lag a bit.it's inevitable even the quad cores lag in ics from time to time.. But hey that's why there is JB for the rescue...
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Salo-S said:
Greetings my dear friends.
I'm here to give my verdict on the upgrade to ICS after 2 months using the ICS Stock ROM I could finish something. Read and understand.
I have an XPERIA U ST25a retail brazilian.
Sure, the stock ICS ROM is very attractive, all good new stuff found in Android 4.0 are very good, like the new UI or settings menu, the toggles easily accessible are very useful, but the apparent instability and slowness (in moments) make me think why I bought this phone, and also think about going back to the old but great stock GB ROM.
And yes, i use ICS ROM, I made my own modifications and tweaks to the all-bloated ICS Stock ROM get the maximum performance.
But the bugs are really ridiculous.
The battery only charges sometimes if the phone is restarted, otherwise the indicator will be locked at 39%, for example.
The camera seems to be slow compared to the old Stock GingerBread ROM.
The open / close applications is not slow, but sometimes the application takes to respond as if something sucking the system performance.
All these bugs may (or may not) be Sony's problem, but since the era of my old devices I have these SAME problems in some ICS ROMs (I've also tested the FXP CM9 rom, and believe me, if you fill up with apps, will be slow too).
It seems that Android 4.0 ICS is always buggy and slow, and then Eclair 2.1 (horrible) then followed by the 2.2 Froyo (good).
My conclusion: Don't upgrade if you hate a phone will be a little bit slower.
I just do not go back to stock GB ROM why I still enjoy a good user interface instead of performance.
But if you do not like one bit of minimal slowdowns or some bugs, DO NOT bother upgrading to ICS. Just a beautiful day, we have the long awaited Jelly Bean. Even if it is a CM10, the "Butter Project" realizes disappear with lags. And all these little problems may be fixed.
I just let my experience here on this upgrade does not seem that there be a good idea.
Thank you very much
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Stock ROM: go for GingerBread otherwise CM.
Rgds.
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But in android free ram doesn't mean more performance, lag will only appear when RAM reaches the "lag level" (30~25 free ram)
Here on my XPU i have 120~140MB free and i don't have any lag. BTW if you install a bunch of crappy apps and let the bloatware of Sony installed you will certainly will get some lag. Even on a XPP with 1GB of RAM you can feel some lags, i've already tested yet!
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I think lag by alot of app is open. So I endtast and free ram. It Work fine with me.
I prefer the GB which is less power hungry on RAM compared to ICS.
ICS, I find it laggy.
Most games lag on ICS compared to GB.
For me, if I'll choose, I'll go for Custom ROM based on ICS(not the stock one that sony distributed). If you don't like stock ROM then I'll stick to GB because ICS consumes more RAM than GB.
hi everyone. I dont require ultra performance on my phone but I have on the board 8GB/1GB so better stats than Galaxy S2 and got lags almost everywhere - from unlocking the phone to opening dialer. Even home button laggs. Lags mostly lasts for few secs. When an app is already opened it works pretty well.
Stock ROM, I have some apps installed but still about 1gb of free space. Galaxy S1 had few times worse parametres and used to work much more fluently .
I have read about other owners of this phone so it seems the model is not a crap. Interesting thing is in the antutu test I have score in RAM only 41