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Hi, I've got an annoying problem...
As far as i know the first thermal threshold for kicking down the CPU freq to 800MHz is set to somewhere around 80oC in SGS3. But in my case it kicks in after achieving just 51-54oC which makes some games unplayable after 5 mins
I've read somewhere that the battery temperature (45oC or so) is also considered when throttling down the CPU frequency, but my battery hits just 41oC when it happens...
Could it be a faulty temperature sensor(s) or just faulty almost 2 years old battery? I have no more clues, could anybody help?
Thanks a lot!
flither said:
Hi, I've got an annoying problem...
As far as i know the first thermal threshold for kicking down the CPU freq to 800MHz is set to somewhere around 80oC in SGS3. But in my case it kicks in after achieving just 51-54oC which makes some games unplayable after 5 mins
I've read somewhere that the battery temperature (45oC or so) is also considered when throttling down the CPU frequency, but my battery hits just 41oC when it happens...
Could it be a faulty temperature sensor(s) or just faulty almost 2 years old battery? I have no more clues, could anybody help?
Thanks a lot!
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That's tricky... Afaik you CAN change some system files to avoid throttling but I don't believe that that would be healthy... Your temperature sensors could also be faulty... I don't know
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yeah, but is it possible that it's throttling down on such normal temperatures? Or maybe there's another safety mechanism involved (dunno, maybe GPU temp sensor)? But my GPU runs on stock freqs and voltage...also it doesn,t matter if i'm undervolted on CPU or not, still the same
flither said:
yeah, but is it possible that it's throttling down on such normal temperatures? Or maybe there's another safety mechanism involved (dunno, maybe GPU temp sensor)? But my GPU runs on stock freqs and voltage...also it doesn,t matter if i'm undervolted on CPU or not, still the same
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I don't actually know... I've never faced throttling problems so i don't know what else can cause this.. Perhaps there is something else involved...
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After a really deep search I found out that Sammy based roms have a CPU throttle after battery reaches 41oC...now to change it
I know, the Tegra K1 gets hot. Is this a widespread issue though (some people only report minor warmth)? How hot is too hot? Mine is getting stoopid hot, and I'm pissed because I finally have a unit with almost no issues, save the over heating problem. I know the SHIELD has issues with screen cracking, and the N9 should be safer with the metal band, but something doesn't seem right...
Iboschi said:
the Tegra K1 gets hot
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This.
combine that with a badly configured cpu governor that boosts the frequencies to 2+ ghz even for simple tasks that do not need all those cpu cycles.
In addition to the whopping 1.5ghz touchboost frequency (WTF google).
After rooting and fixing the last two points, I experience high temps only when playing games.
Blocking Ads also tremendously helps temps while web browsing.
I wouldn't consider it a problem. I also doubt you have a bad unit even though its getting hot. Chances are if you do the exact same things on 100 nexus 9's the temp will be very close. I've been looking through the kernel code for tegra throttling and doing some tests. The tests show it starts to very lightly throttle starting at 70c in my tests. I believe I saw in the kernel there is 3 throttling states basically, light, heavy, and one other I can't remember. Shutdown occurs at right above 100°c.
As far as the governor, I'm sure if it made sense gooe would have lowered it. But, if I remember right this was part of project butter to make the ui smooth, as well as some other things. I don't think touch boost is killing battery too bad, and I'm willing to sacrifice some for a smoother ui anyway.
Thisbis just a hit running CPU, no way around it and its not a defect, its just a side effect of a powerful CPU in this design. I also noticed although it heats up quick, it cools extrememly fast. Like dropping 15-20° in seconds, literally- so overall I don't think this is a huge problem, but if they can make it better, more power to them.
di11igaf said:
I wouldn't consider it a problem. I also doubt you have a bad unit even though its getting hot. Chances are if you do the exact same things on 100 nexus 9's the temp will be very close. I've been looking through the kernel code for tegra throttling and doing some tests. The tests show it starts to very lightly throttle starting at 70c in my tests. I believe I saw in the kernel there is 3 throttling states basically, light, heavy, and one other I can't remember. Shutdown occurs at right above 100°c.
As far as the governor, I'm sure if it made sense gooe would have lowered it. But, if I remember right this was part of project butter to make the ui smooth, as well as some other things. I don't think touch boost is killing battery too bad, and I'm willing to sacrifice some for a smoother ui anyway.
Thisbis just a hit running CPU, no way around it and its not a defect, its just a side effect of a powerful CPU in this design. I also noticed although it heats up quick, it cools extrememly fast. Like dropping 15-20° in seconds, literally- so overall I don't think this is a huge problem, but if they can make it better, more power to them.
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im really happy to hear about your thought
but if the heat issue occurs many times, will it break the others hardware,
i have seen in laptop, if the graphics card heat too much, it can melt the motherboard and the others parts of the laptop,
im afraid that it will happen to this tablet eventually
i really love my nexus 9, just this heat issue make me incomfortable
Hello Axon 7 users, I just picked up one a couple of days ago. After finally figuring out the bootloader, bootstack and general stock experience I tested a little bit of gaming. I found that a basic game like Clash Royale heats the battery up to around 42°C already with low brightness and slow charging. A more intensive game like the new Knives Out runs only slightly hotter but it becomes apparent that CPU gets throttled soon after loading to 1036MHz across all cores causing lag.
It's disappointing so I tried to find how to modify the throttling. Using ZTE's Power Manager setting on performance or balanced doesn't seem to have a noticeable difference.I tried the only stock custom kernel AX7 but it's outdated on B32 and I find it randomly reboots regularly. The stock kernel itself allows some configuration, but the thermal settings in Kernel Adiutor don't reflect any charge.
A quick Google search brings up how LG V20 Snapdragon 820 users edit /system/etc/thermal-engine.conf to tweak the throttling levels. Their config is quite different but they mod big to 1824Mhz and let little scale itself.
I couldn't get thermal-engine.conf to use the thermal-engine-8996-perf.conf values by copying the values to it as it suggests inside. I tried renaming it with the -zte.conf ending as it suggests as well but that didn't work. After just renaming both the normal and perf conf files with a .bak ending, I've found better throttling performance. Big now throttles to 1632Mhz and little to 1324Mhz. As far as I can understand the files don't have charging rates inside, just GPU and CPU throttling.
However as expected the device heats up a few degrees more now. This now puts my battery up to 47°C in Knives Out under the same conditions. Charging is stopped at 45°C by the system so as previously mentioned it's unmodified.
I just wanted to check since I couldn't find it mentioned. Is everyone ok with gaming performance limited to 1036Mhz with the normal throttle? Also are my temperatures normal? I guess CPU doesn't seem that high reaching around 65°C, it's just that the battery has less than 20°C difference in intensive performance. I suppose it's a quirk of the heat pipe to battery as heatsink design. I just expected more from a metal unibody chassis and at least normal CPU gaming performance. I thought my Sony Z3 Compact design was bad for battery thermals, with the battery stacked behind the CPU board, sandwiched in insulating glass. But I didn't expect to see a phone to route a heatpipe directly to it's battery.
Anyway it is what it is. Follow this information if you want some better gaming performance at the cost of your battery cycle life. In my case I bought the Axon7 just as a separate media consumption device rather than a phone so I can live with the tradeoff. If battery gets bad enough before 2 years I'll consider using warranty at the loss of receiving their refurbished replacement. Manufacturer warranty's in fact cover batteries for 80% depletion.
I recommend the app DevCheck Pro for being able to monitor CPU, GPU, temperatures and other things overlayed. I think some others may do similar but they may not be updated for Big Little and are more instrusively overlayed.
Infy_AsiX said:
A quick Google search brings up how LG V20 Snapdragon 820 users edit /system/etc/thermal-engine.conf to tweak the throttling levels. Their config is quite different but they mod big to 1824Mhz and let little scale itself.
I couldn't get thermal-engine.conf to use the thermal-engine-8996-perf.conf values by copying the values to it as it suggests inside. I tried renaming it with the -zte.conf ending as it suggests as well but that didn't work. After just renaming both the normal and perf conf files with a .bak ending, I've found better throttling performance. Big now throttles to 1632Mhz and little to 1324Mhz. As far as I can understand the files don't have charging rates inside, just GPU and CPU throttling.
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I read half of that to be honest, but just one thing: To make things harder, ZTE added added a write protection on the system. To disable it you have to use a computer and connect your phone with ADB, then issue "adb reboot disemmcwp" (like DISable EMMC Write Protection). Otherwise all the changes that you made get undone after a reboot, and obviously you'd have to reboot after modifying that file
On LOS you can use BeastMode (even if your phone isn't an A2017U) which for me is the best friggin kernel I've used in performance terms. There you can change thermal limits
Infy_AsiX said:
Hello Axon 7 users, I just picked up one a couple of days ago. After finally figuring out the bootloader, bootstack and general stock experience I tested a little bit of gaming. I found that a basic game like Clash Royale heats the battery up to around 42°C already with low brightness and slow charging. A more intensive game like the new Knives Out runs only slightly hotter but it becomes apparent that CPU gets throttled soon after loading to 1036MHz across all cores causing lag.
It's disappointing so I tried to find how to modify the throttling. Using ZTE's Power Manager setting on performance or balanced doesn't seem to have a noticeable difference.I tried the only stock custom kernel AX7 but it's outdated on B32 and I find it randomly reboots regularly. The stock kernel itself allows some configuration, but the thermal settings in Kernel Adiutor don't reflect any charge.
A quick Google search brings up how LG V20 Snapdragon 820 users edit /system/etc/thermal-engine.conf to tweak the throttling levels. Their config is quite different but they mod big to 1824Mhz and let little scale itself.
I couldn't get thermal-engine.conf to use the thermal-engine-8996-perf.conf values by copying the values to it as it suggests inside. I tried renaming it with the -zte.conf ending as it suggests as well but that didn't work. After just renaming both the normal and perf conf files with a .bak ending, I've found better throttling performance. Big now throttles to 1632Mhz and little to 1324Mhz. As far as I can understand the files don't have charging rates inside, just GPU and CPU throttling.
However as expected the device heats up a few degrees more now. This now puts my battery up to 47°C in Knives Out under the same conditions. Charging is stopped at 45°C by the system so as previously mentioned it's unmodified.
I just wanted to check since I couldn't find it mentioned. Is everyone ok with gaming performance limited to 1036Mhz with the normal throttle? Also are my temperatures normal? I guess CPU doesn't seem that high reaching around 65°C, it's just that the battery has less than 20°C difference in intensive performance. I suppose it's a quirk of the heat pipe to battery as heatsink design. I just expected more from a metal unibody chassis and at least normal CPU gaming performance. I thought my Sony Z3 Compact design was bad for battery thermals, with the battery stacked behind the CPU board, sandwiched in insulating glass. But I didn't expect to see a phone to route a heatpipe directly to it's battery.
Anyway it is what it is. Follow this information if you want some better gaming performance at the cost of your battery cycle life. In my case I bought the Axon7 just as a separate media consumption device rather than a phone so I can live with the tradeoff. If battery gets bad enough before 2 years I'll consider using warranty at the loss of receiving their refurbished replacement. Manufacturer warranty's in fact cover batteries for 80% depletion.
I recommend the app DevCheck Pro for being able to monitor CPU, GPU, temperatures and other things overlayed. I think some others may do similar but they may not be updated for Big Little and are more instrusively overlayed.
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I have noticed the same performance many months ago.
I tried changing the thermal values with both ways through the conf file or a custom kernel but all implementations seem to be faulty as nothing changed.
In the end I gave up because I couldn't find a solution for this.
But I figured because my games clash of clans, ppsspp, gba emulators don't lag I din't care much.
If you find a solution let me/us know.
Or post the modded confs you're using as well if you can.
That's all from me.
I just renamed both the thermal-engine files with a .bak extension. I've also got ZTE's Power Manager frozen as the performance profiles there don't seem to do anything and I don't use it's other features. There's some kind of CPU GPU throttle still in place but it's much higher as previously mentioned,. After searching further I saw your discussion about /vendor/bin related throttle, maybe that's the fallback it's now on.
The device does get uncomfortably hot with a new demanding game at maximum settings. I wouldn't recommend doing this if you want to maintain your battery. However if you're interested I discovered the Ax7 allows defining a lower maximum battery voltage in another TL/DR post https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=74746734&postcount=1353. To explain simply, it's possible to limit the voltage low for health and safety while keeping the device almost primarily powered by mains. Effectively the battery is at an optimum low voltage, practically idle but very hot. A little complicated sure, but worth it. Getting a Daydream V1 tomorrow to play with, this stuff will help with heat and performance a lot. If anyone wants my long winded explanation, give me a shout.
The CPU temp does jump around higher than 70. I'm tending to think that current powerful mobile processors aren't efficient enough for the physical body constraints of phones. Let alone poorly designed ones. The 820 is meant to be an improvement over the 810, wouldn't believe it by the throttle required and performance lost. The 835 is efficient enough apparently. From experience though I have my doubts on reviews and benchmarks to reflect real usage stress.
edit: Oh and disable VDD restriction in your kernel setting if you've set it to auto enable. That seems to be a switch for the aggressive throttle still available after mod.
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Infy_AsiX said:
I just renamed both the thermal-engine files with a .bak extension. I've also got ZTE's Power Manager frozen as the performance profiles there don't seem to do anything and I don't use it's other features. There's some kind of CPU GPU throttle still in place but it's much higher as previously mentioned,. After searching further I saw your discussion about /vendor/bin related throttle, maybe that's the fallback it's now on.
The device does get uncomfortably hot with a new demanding game at maximum settings. I wouldn't recommend doing this if you want to maintain your battery. However if you're interested I discovered the Ax7 allows defining a lower maximum battery voltage in another TL/DR post https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=74746734&postcount=1353. To explain simply, it's possible to limit the voltage low for health and safety while keeping the device almost primarily powered by mains. Effectively the battery is at an optimum low voltage, practically idle but very hot. A little complicated sure, but worth it. Getting a Daydream V1 tomorrow to play with, this stuff will help with heat and performance a lot. If anyone wants my long winded explanation, give me a shout.
The CPU temp does jump around higher than 70. I'm tending to think that current powerful mobile processors aren't efficient enough for the physical body constraints of phones. Let alone poorly designed ones. The 820 is meant to be an improvement over the 810, wouldn't believe it by the throttle required and performance lost. The 835 is efficient enough apparently. From experience though I have my doubts on reviews and benchmarks to reflect real usage stress.
edit: Oh and disable VDD restriction in your kernel setting if you've set it to auto enable. That seems to be a switch for the aggressive throttle still available after mod.
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That's weird... what are the ambient temps where you live? Here it's anything between 20 and 30 degrees and mine never gets that hot, and it barely throttles. Of course you shouldn't game while charging, that WILL throttle the phone.
I have a big old CPU heatsink without a fan, and when I charge the phone at night I just put it upon the heatsink. It keeps the battery around the ambient temp, which I guess helps with battery degradation.
A nice app for monitoring the CPU is Trepn profiler, you can program it to show you anything like frequencies and temps on 2 separate graphs for example
What does Chrysalis Thermals do? Cause I always see this.
Does this boost performance? battery?
it adjust the phone throttle to a bit higher,,,
i mean,, normally,, without one,, when you're doing something on your phone,,, and it hits about,, lets say 40 deg C,, then it will slow down so as to prevent it from heating too much,, but doing so,, sacrifices performances and you may easily notice a bit lags and slower framerates..
now,, with that thermal module script,, it allows your phone to perform at its maximum capability for a longer period of time even if it hits a certain higher value of TEMPERATURE,,, at the expense of heating,,
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it adjust the phone throttle to a bit higher,,,
i mean,, normally,, without one,, when you're doing something on your phone,,, and it hits about,, lets say 40 deg C,, then it will slow down so as to prevent it from heating too much,, but doing so,, sacrifices performances and you may easily notice a bit lags and slower framerates..
now,, with that thermal module script,, it allows your phone to perform at its maximum capability for a longer period of time even if it hits a certain higher value of TEMPERATURE,,, at the expense of heating,,
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Thanks, how about this?
It removes ALL thermal-engine related files in your ROM, thus removing almost all of the thermal restrictions put on CPU, resulting in less thermal throttling, performance is better as well. The phone would got warmer and batterylife would suffer if you have too much running all the time, of course
The GPU rendering module just disable software rendering the UI via the CPU, nothing major
I was using Havoc OS with derp kernels for quite a long time, and used to play PUBG alot , so recently from past few weeks cpu temperature is reaching about 60°c (Maybe because of summer season) and then cpu starts to throttle.
Then I recently switched to Oxygen OS and when my temperature reaches 60°c something ,it doesn't throttle. (Maybe because oos uses different thermal profile)
So my questions are :
1. If it doesn't throttle above 60°c then could it harm my device?
2. What's the highest maximum temperature which wouldn't harm my device?
On Maximum 48-50 Degree Can Harm Your Device Chipset.
If You are on Latest OOS 25Build.
Then Install BuildProp Editor and Change The Value Stock Thermals False To True.
Reboot To Apply.
60 C Can Damage Your Device.
Smartphones Are Automatically Switch off When Reached to maximium Temperature 50-50.
Olystem said:
On Maximum 48-50 Degree Can Harm Your Device Chipset.
If You are on Latest OOS 25Build.
Then Install BuildProp Editor and Change The Value Stock Thermals False To True.
Reboot To Apply.
60 C Can Damage Your Device.
Smartphones Are Automatically Switch off When Reached to maximium Temperature 50-50.
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I have changed my rom to Pixel Experience, & now the temperature is just between 45-55 while playing games, but most of the time temperature was around 50°c . I think the problem was because of kernel or rom. Don't know the exact reason.
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I have changed my rom to Pixel Experience, & now the temperature is just between 45-55 while playing games, but most of the time temperature was around 50°c . I think the problem was because of kernel or rom. Don't know the exact reason.
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Flash Stock ROM Latest Version Then Check.
It's Not Normal.
Till Then Don't play the Games.
I also Facing same issue while playing games 44-46.
I think problem related to latest vendor.
Olystem said:
Flash Stock ROM Latest Version Then Check.
It's Not Normal.
Till Then Don't play the Games.
I also Facing same issue while playing games 44-46.
I think problem related to latest vendor.
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I switched to miui , not doing any heavy or performance requiring task, still this temperature.
P.s: I have applied Gadgeshildz skin on my Poco,do u think this could be the reason?
-TheKoolAnie- said:
I switched to miui , not doing any heavy or performance requiring task, still this temperature.
P.s: I have applied Gadgeshildz skin on my Poco,do u think this could be the reason?
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I didn't think the skin causing that issue.
Hello Bro This is CPU Temperature CPU Has a Limit to of 70-100 max .
This is Normal.
That is Thermal Profile.
If The Temperature Reach That Limit it Will Decrease The Performance.
Check Your Battery Temperature.
Check This.
This is mine.
In oxygen OS with Stock Kernel.
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Hello Bro This is CPU Temperature CPU Has a Limit to of 70-100 max .
This is Normal.
That is Thermal Profile.
If The Temperature Reach That Limit it Will Decrease The Performance.
Check Your Battery Temperature.
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I didn't understand your point.
Why is it normal? Temperature is reaching above 55°c which isn't normal.
Btw when I play pubg, battery temperature reaches to 46°c but when I took screen shot temperature was 40°c.
If battery temperature Reached to 47-55 degree that's not normal.
Your SS Shows thermal profile temperature not the CPU temperature.
CPU and GPU are components inside your phone and they heat from 40 -80 degree Celsius pretty fast in every phone. They can handle upto
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CPU and GPU are components inside your phone and they heat from 40 -80 degree Celsius pretty fast in every phone. They can handle upto
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As you can read in op ,I was talking about CPU temperature from starting. So when I play pubg and temperature reaches to 55°c so it's Safe? I got confused.
CPU and GPU are components inside your phone and they heat from 40 -80 degree Celsius pretty fast in every phone. They can handle upto
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Cpu temperature is Normal 40-80 degree.
Bro it's normal.
I am talking about battery temperature.
Working temps in heavy workloads (Games, YouTube, Split-screen/Dual screen, etc.) is around 60°c and it is quite normal but above 75°c thats when you expect damage to the system. According to other XDA Thread, https://www.xda-developers.com/processor-temperature-results-for-tens-of-socs-how-hot-is-your-chip/ Maximum Temperature recorded on a Qualcomm Device (It uses MSM8225Q Chipset) is 63.88°c
Expect Qualcomm that makes powerful and energy efficient SOCs even operating in high temperatures.
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Working temps in heavy workloads (Games, YouTube, Split-screen/Dual screen, etc.) is around 60°c and it is quite normal but above 75°c thats when you expect damage to the system. According to other XDA Thread, https://www.xda-developers.com/processor-temperature-results-for-tens-of-socs-how-hot-is-your-chip/ Maximum Temperature recorded on a Qualcomm Device (It uses MSM8225Q Chipset) is 63.88°c
Expect Qualcomm that makes powerful and energy efficient SOCs even operating in high temperatures.
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So that means i shouldn't worry about below 60°c cpu temperature while playing game in hot environmen ( around 40°c)
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So that means i shouldn't worry about below 60°c cpu temperature while playing game in hot environmen ( around 40°c)
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Its fine. Just don't let it work around 70°c above.
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Its fine. Just don't let it work around 70°c above.
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If he uses the default thermal profile, he won't reach above 70, well it shouldn't as the phone will throttle. That's the whole idea of throttling, to lower the temperatures to protect the CPU or GPU from any damage. Also, even if you reach a higher temperature then 70, at one point, the phone will switch off in order to protect itself from any damage. Well, in most cases.
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If he uses the default thermal profile, he won't reach above 70, well it shouldn't as the phone will throttle. That's the whole idea of throttling, to lower the temperatures to protect the CPU or GPU from any damage. Also, even if you reach a higher temperature then 70, at one point, the phone will switch off in order to protect itself from any damage. Well, in most cases.
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Btw every custom rom has its own throttling points for example :
Havoc os start to Throttle around 53°c
Whereas pixel experience throttles about 57_58°c
But in miui cpu temp reached above 60°c for few seconds still it doesn't throttle.
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If he uses the default thermal profile, he won't reach above 70, well it shouldn't as the phone will throttle. That's the whole idea of throttling, to lower the temperatures to protect the CPU or GPU from any damage. Also, even if you reach a higher temperature then 70, at one point, the phone will switch off in order to protect itself from any damage. Well, in most cases.
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Poco doesn't have automatic shutdown when overheating, but just a overheating notification. (Like in S10+) But maybe in a certain temperature, Poco has a built-in safety switch to automatically shutdown the device to prevent possible damage
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Poco doesn't have automatic shutdown when overheating, but just a overheating notification. (Like in S10+) But maybe in a certain temperature, Poco has a built-in safety switch to automatically shutdown the device to prevent possible damage
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Even the old Redmi note 4 had that switch, so i'm pretty sure they have it in Poco too.
My temps used to hover around 32*c back then before the MIUI Global Beta 10 9.3.28 came out. I forgot which beta version I was in. I was all stock with no root. While gaming, my temps would go as much as 37*c but never more than it.
Right now, I've tried MIUI EU and Global Beta and most of the time, my normal temps are around 38*c.