Generation differences? - Kindle Fire HDX 7" & 8.9" Q&A, Help & Troubleshoot

Hi there.
I had a fire hdx 32gb for Xmas and it had a faulty line in the display. After upgrades it was running 4.5.2.
I sent it back and Amazon sent a new replacement which also had a fault with the display and was running 4.5.2
They have sent me a 3rd fire hdx which was a refurbished one. I phoned them and they told me it is just a returned one and has not been repaired or anything. They currently have none in stock so I said as long as this one is fine and was just a return I would keep it. This one works fine but the software upgrades are 13.3.2.5 which I believe is the last gen fire?
What are the difference between these generations and would I be better off getting a new gen one from Amazon as that is what I originally paid for?
Thanks for any help

djclark25 said:
Hi there.
I had a fire hdx 32gb for Xmas and it had a faulty line in the display. After upgrades it was running 4.5.2.
I sent it back and Amazon sent a new replacement which also had a fault with the display and was running 4.5.2
They have sent me a 3rd fire hdx which was a refurbished one. I phoned them and they told me it is just a returned one and has not been repaired or anything. They currently have none in stock so I said as long as this one is fine and was just a return I would keep it. This one works fine but the software upgrades are 13.3.2.5 which I believe is the last gen fire?
What are the difference between these generations and would I be better off getting a new gen one from Amazon as that is what I originally paid for?
Thanks for any help
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It depends on what do u want the device for.
13.3.2.5 is rootable what means that you would be able to do the process to get bootloader unlocked and install custom roms.
Buying a brand new one would likely bring an updated firmware so you would be forced to use just amazon fire os.

Thanks for that. It has now updated to 4.5.2
I thought there were two different versions if the hdx. One which had 13.x.x as latestcsoftware and the other with 4.5.2!!
Not rooting the fire, I root all my other devices but decided to keep the fire stick for a change!

no
djclark25 said:
Hi there.
I had a fire hdx 32gb for Xmas and it had a faulty line in the display. After upgrades it was running 4.5.2.
I sent it back and Amazon sent a new replacement which also had a fault with the display and was running 4.5.2
They have sent me a 3rd fire hdx which was a refurbished one. I phoned them and they told me it is just a returned one and has not been repaired or anything. They currently have none in stock so I said as long as this one is fine and was just a return I would keep it. This one works fine but the software upgrades are 13.3.2.5 which I believe is the last gen fire?
What are the difference between these generations and would I be better off getting a new gen one from Amazon as that is what I originally paid for?
Thanks for any help
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no you shouldn't have gotten a different generation you simply got one that is on earlier firmware and saves you a lot of grief if you are going to try to root get the bypass done on the bootloader...whatever you do do not hook up to wifi and register it or it will update to the latest firmware and you will be screwed

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Just bought a iRola DX752 7" tablet

I want to build a android 4.4 kernel for my iRola DX752 7" tablet (formerly known as a Kocasco M752) using Eclipse ADT etc. but I am practically a newbee at this. I figure if I brick it I am only out $50. It currently runs Android 4.2.2 with system updates that I can't count on bringing me up to more current releases, and it runs a Rockchip RK2926 Cortex-A9 CPU with 512MB RAM, 2GB internal SD and a 16GB external SD card.
I have rooted a smart phone without bricking it, but that was with a couple three premade kernels to update with and can not find any for this make or model tablet.
Tablet
Well my friend.. I can help you with that but just a single question.. Is the tablet good? No problems at all? If is good I will buy and we can make even ROMs together...
Just tell me if the tablet is good and what problems you encountered using it.:highfive:
does this thing come unlocked? How hard is it to root and is there any roms?
irola
Let me know if you make a ROM. I want to buy this tablet but it seems like it lags and its slow on the stock 4.2.2 ROM.
Very nice tablet
I purchased two for my kids and one came in the other day. I am very surprised about how well it is made. It doesn't feel like a cheap tablet. I would also be interested in a custom rom for this as well.
blong78 said:
I purchased two for my kids and one came in the other day. I am very surprised about how well it is made. It doesn't feel like a cheap tablet. I would also be interested in a custom rom for this as well.
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I ordered one for my daughter for Christmas. It is still in it's original packaging and I was lurking here to see if anyone had ideas for rooting it. From the specs it seems to have decent hardware so I am confident that it should perform well even though we haven't tried it out yet. I gave her one of my older Viewsonic tablets that's rooted and with a custom ROM. I may buy another one of these iRola tablets if I like the core stock install and then I will join you in creating some root magic for it.. :angel:
im trying to install windows 8
erickr13 said:
Well my friend.. I can help you with that but just a single question.. Is the tablet good? No problems at all? If is good I will buy and we can make even ROMs together...
Just tell me if the tablet is good and what problems you encountered using it.:highfive:
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If you are seriously thinking of rooting this hit me up we can work together. That makes 3 of us working on it. I was trying to hack it to install windows 8.
Did anyone get anywhere with this tablet? Mine came in this morning. It's a little sluggish, but I have decent hopes for it.
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Has this development went any further? I'd also be happy to test or help build in any way that I can.
I just got one of these
I just got one of these for my daughter, but it has the Jellybean that has trouble with Wifi... it won't connect to my home Wifi router at all, and drops the connection regularly at work.
So, I want to get a different version of Android on this thing. Has anyone succeeded yet?
I doubt it's the hardware, as I have friends who had the same problem on their phones until they upgraded their version of Android.
I'm unfamiliar with development, but would also be happy to test. From what I can tell, this thing has a memory issue. We need to get something lighter on it.
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keep it posted
out of topics
Out of topic is anyone here familiar with linux.....
irola
Has anyone been able to find out how to get to to the development option
Tap build number until it unlocks it?
Sent from my LG-LS970 using xda app-developers app
Put me on the list of people curious about development for this device. Just picked one up as a gift for a my sister and agree it seems a little more sluggish than I thought it would. Also the screen resolution is kind of poor and was hoping that maybe changing the DPI could help if it were rooted.
i haven't received mine
I order mine back on Nov 22, I haven't received it. I've been itching to root this. Ugh come on N MR send me my tablet. Has anyone have problems with NMR shipping before. ????
Just got mine. It's so sluggish...
I don't understand how, even after a factory reset, this thing is ridiculously slow. I have googled and googled but I can't find any information on how to root this device or even if it's possible yet. I really wanna downgrade the software to something it's more comfortable running. Maybe 4.0.4?
If you haven't received your tablet I implor that you contact NMR ASAP. They didn't send my fiances mothers 3 irola 7" tablets ordered later Nov. until yesterday Dec. 23.
I will also be working on this tablet as I just got it as a present from her So make that 4.
I also just bought this tablet (irola dx752) running android 4.2.2. I have never had a tablet before but it does not seem slow or laggy. I am familiar with linux (someone asked that earlier in this thread) and I am interested in getting into android development. Also happy to test (not intending to brick of course).

Will we get Sangria update? (4.4)

just found out the new 8.9 hdx gets Sangria with 4.4.2 kernel coming late October
which automatically rings the bell, will we receive the update and thus (hopefully allow)root -> gapps roms etc
any thoughts? too early?
link here mentioned 2013 models wont receive it but i'm still being hopeful, if that's the case it makes Amazon one of the worst offenders of OTA update, basically the device was stuck on 4.2.2 from factory.
http://www.cnet.com/au/products/amazon-kindle-fire-hdx-8-9-2014/
The 2013 models will be recieving FireOS 4 according to this http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014...k-new-e-reader-beefed-up-hdx-tablet-keyboard/
Basically this
Along with the new Fire tablets comes a new version of Amazon's "Fire OS," dubbed 4.0 "Sangria." Sangria is based on Android 4.4 KitKat and has little more than user-experience refinements. These include ASAP (Advanced Streaming and Prediction), which pre-loads content that Amazon predicts the user will play, as well as Smart Suspend, which detects when the tablet is not in use and turns off the Wi-Fi to save battery. The new version of the OS will ship on all 4th-generation Fire tablets and will be available to 3rd-generation tablets as a free over-the-air software update.
The 6-inch Kindle HD will be priced at $99 and the 7-inch at $139, while the 8.9-inch HDX will be $379 for the Wi-Fi version of $479 for a 4G version. All versions will be available for pre-order starting Wednesday and set to ship in October. The Fire Keyboard accessory will retail for $59.99. Amazon will continue to offer the Fire HDX 7 for $199, though it will not receive the 4.0 Fire OS update until "later this year."
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Available on 3rd gen
It says right there available on 3rd gen also
stapler85 said:
link here mentioned 2013 models wont receive it but i'm still being hopeful, if that's the case it makes Amazon one of the worst offenders of OTA update, basically the device was stuck on 4.2.2 from factory.
http://www.cnet.com/au/products/amazon-kindle-fire-hdx-8-9-2014/
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They still are horrible with OTA upgrades. The 2nd gen devices didn't get an android version upgrade and got stuck on 4.0.4 from the start.
just got message from Jeff Bezos. We will have Fire OS 4 in the coming weeks.
I guess I won't bother with 3.2.6. Was gonna tomorrow. So I'm glad I got the message on my Kindle. Was having trouble with the manual update anyway. So I'll just wait. The message said "within 2 weeks". Anyone have minor lagging sometimes and have to reboot or wait? I'm on 3.2.5. Just curious if it's the OS or if there is something I can change. I'm rooted.
v941726 said:
I guess I won't bother with 3.2.6. Was gonna tomorrow. So I'm glad I got the message on my Kindle. Was having trouble with the manual update anyway. So I'll just wait. The message said "within 2 weeks". Anyone have minor lagging sometimes and have to reboot or wait? I'm on 3.2.5. Just curious if it's the OS or if there is something I can change. I'm rooted.
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I only get choppyness for about a minute when I boot, which can be attributed to system services and the like all starting up.
stapler85 said:
just found out the new 8.9 hdx gets Sangria with 4.4.2 kernel coming late October
which automatically rings the bell, will we receive the update and thus (hopefully allow)root -> gapps roms etc
any thoughts? too early?
link here mentioned 2013 models wont receive it but i'm still being hopeful, if that's the case it makes Amazon one of the worst offenders of OTA update, basically the device was stuck on 4.2.2 from factory.
http://www.cnet.com/au/products/amazon-kindle-fire-hdx-8-9-2014/
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ive got one of those letters and im rolling back to stock
i was on safestrapped dual boot for some play apps i needed while travelling, but screw it, id rather see what this sangrias all about baby
DQEight said:
I only get choppyness for about a minute when I boot, which can be attributed to system services and the like all starting up.
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Yeah. You do have to let it settle for at least a full minute. But now and then I get lack of response. For example, I have to keep tapping the same spot 10 times. I reboot at least 5 times a day. Ugh!
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Sangria might take care of some of those quirks I have. I need to have root at least though for the things I use it for. I don't know why Amazon doesn't give up. It's not even illegal anymore and they can't void the warranty anymore
tuanda82 said:
just got message from Jeff Bezos. We will have Fire OS 4 in the coming weeks.
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Do you experts suspect the OTA update of OS 4 will break root?
kico42 said:
Do you experts suspect the OTA update of OS 4 will break root?
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Of course, It will break root. I dont think amazon is stupid.
You ‘d better not upgrade....
no towelroot
no new features
Jeff sent the letter to me as well today, loading it in the carousel. I really should read it....

[Q] OS 4.5.1 root

Evening all,
Just been updated to OS 4.5.1 on 7" HDX, I can't seem to find a root for it as of yet. Does any one know if its available yet?
Thank you,
Clickbait title :/
Same here. My Kindle Fire HD 6 got updated to the same thing and I really want to try rooting it but there appears to be no way to root it
I'm in for a fix too.
even if this is bait thread, lets hope it will spark something that leads to it
Roll back to all devices updated to 4.x OS
stapler85 said:
even if this is bait thread, lets hope it will spark something that leads to it
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You have an option here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/kindle-fire-hdx/general/rollback-to-devices-upgraded-to-4-x-t2946946
root for fire os 4.5.1 needed
Hello all,
I just got my hdx 7" today and unfortunately updated to 4.5.1 ota.
Is there anyone trying to find a way to root?
If any new root is known please tell me.
Would be nice to get access to google play store e.g.
Thanks a lot.
big_mika said:
Hello all,
I just got my hdx 7" today and unfortunately updated to 4.5.1 ota.
Is there anyone trying to find a way to root?
If any new root is known please tell me.
Would be nice to get access to google play store e.g.
Thanks a lot.
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You may be able to downgrade to a rootable version: http://forum.xda-developers.com/kindle-fire-hdx/general/rollback-to-devices-upgraded-to-4-x-t2946946
People keep referring to this thread but I have contacted Amazon about 6 times now and all 6 people told me there was absolutely no way that they could or ever would roll back your software. All 6 said once you upgrade to 4.5.1 there was no way what so ever for them to take you back. I even got a couple of emails from there tech support team stating this. So no, customer care will not roll back your software.
I had a very unsucessful back and forth between like 12 different people at Amazon with no success. I even provided a few apps in their store that will absoutely not run in 4.5.x (Quicken 2013 for example) and they had no interest in rolling me back. Though I did not have them explicitly state that a rollback was impossible. They just apologized that their forced software update was causing me grief and to deal with it.
Possible way to root. Was reading info on this vuln CVE-2014-7911 and it seems like it might be a way that KitKat could be rooted. It was patched in Lollipop. Just thought I would share.
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cdub50 said:
Possible way to root. Was reading info on this vuln CVE-2014-7911 and it seems like it might be a way that KitKat could be rooted. It was patched in Lollipop. Just thought I would share.
Sent from my Nexus 6 using XDA Free mobile app
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I did some reading into this, and it turns out we'll need a bit more than that to get root access (i.e. another exploit).
https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/com...android_50_privilege_escalation_using/cm6ylr9
My device is also updated to 4.5.1 .
After talking to the nice amazon support i came back not to set the device back.
nevertheless i have to wait until some of the xda guys will hack that too.
i got the nexus 7 before. so i have to say that the kindle hdx7 is much better then nexus7.
but it is crap within fireos there is no possibility to login to spotify with the google account. also on some other apps. thats really *hit.
loco09 said:
My device is also updated to 4.5.1 .
After talking to the nice amazon support i came back not to set the device back.
nevertheless i have to wait until some of the xda guys will hack that too.
i got the nexus 7 before. so i have to say that the kindle hdx7 is much better then nexus7.
but it is crap within fireos there is no possibility to login to spotify with the google account. also on some other apps. thats really *hit.
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The software really is the crippling factor, not the hardware. It's just sad that Amazon still can't see that and tries with every effort to lock down those that try to get around it.
whats the chance of upgrade?
Does anyone know what the chance of upgrade of 4.5.1 to stock android rom for fire hdx 7" and possible timeframe?
Is there anyone still working on it and are we just waiting for source code to try and find a way to unlock it.
I just picked up a fire hdx, but it came installed with 4.5.1 and the software is pretty unusable compared to my old jellybean tablet.
As a sidenote would it be worth trying to turn off ota updates so they are not kept ahead of any patch?
Damn this thread. I want my click back. lol
Man, I updated too, is there a way to turn off the automatic update?
rillo561 said:
Man, I updated too, is there a way to turn off the automatic update?
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After looking over the source code for the HDX Toolkit, for some reason I think the way it does it might still work on 4.5.1.

[Q] Boom Beach on Non-rooted HDX7

Given the Amazon Fire sale that is currently going on with the HDX7 today, I was wondering if anyone has had any luck with getting Boom Beach working with a Non rooted device, as this is one of the major uses for the purchase if so... Thanks in advance for any help on this subject !!
Pihrana said:
Given the Amazon Fire sale that is currently going on with the HDX7 today, I was wondering if anyone has had any luck with getting Boom Beach working with a Non rooted device, as this is one of the major uses for the purchase if so... Thanks in advance for any help on this subject !!
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Yes, you can sideload it. However, you cannot connect to accounts on other devices due to lack of Google Play. To get all of the Google Apps, you much have any update BEFORE SANGRIA, root it, and install Gapps.

How to HARD UNBRICK FIRE HDX 7, 4.5.5.1. HELP!

I just got my Kindle Fire HDX 7 about a month ago, and it had Fire OS 4.5.5.1. I wanted to unlock the bootloader, so I was stupid enough to try to downgrade the device. So I tried it, and there, it became a paperweight! I know I can open it up and replace the motherboard, but I don't want to open up my Fire HDX. So I went over the forums and found out I can use a factory(fastboot) cable. Is there anyway to unbrick the Fire HDX 7 that is on Fire OS 4.5.5.1?
hammaad5 said:
I just got my Kindle Fire HDX 7 about a month ago, and it had Fire OS 4.5.5.1. I wanted to unlock the bootloader, so I was stupid enough to try to downgrade the device. So I tried it, and there, it became a paperweight! I know I can open it up and replace the motherboard, but I don't want to open up my Fire HDX. So I went over the forums and found out I can use a factory(fastboot) cable. Is there anyway to unbrick the Fire HDX 7 that is on Fire OS 4.5.5.1?
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- factory (fastboot) cables are ineffective on this device except in one special case which does not apply to your device
- board/battery replacement is exceptionally difficult on 7" models due to copious use of glue; a cracked screen is the likely outcome
- hard brick is permanent; sorry for your loss
Davey126 said:
- factory (fastboot) cables are ineffective on this device except in one special case which does not apply to your device
- board/battery replacement is exceptionally difficult on 7" models due to copious use of glue; a cracked screen is the likely outcome
- hard brick is permanent; sorry for your loss
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I don't understand, if I use a Factory cable, won't it force my HDX 7 into fastboot? And from there I can flash the stock rom?
hammaad5 said:
I don't understand, if I use a Factory cable, won't it force my HDX 7 into fastboot? And from there I can flash the stock rom?
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Nope - Amazon crippled recovery capabilities by: 1) disabling the 'interface' that recognizes factory/fastboot cables; and 2) disabling various fastboot commands with a locked bootloader. Long story short there is no way to flash stock recovery on a locked device that will not boot. Amazon devices in general and HDX models in particular easy to brick and nearly impossible to recover.
Davey126 said:
Nope - Amazon crippled recovery capabilities by: 1) disabling the 'interface' that recognizes factory/fastboot cables; and 2) disabling various fastboot commands with a locked bootloader. Long story short there is no way to flash stock recovery on a locked device that will not boot. Amazon devices in general and HDX models in particular easy to brick and nearly impossible to recover.
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Then what is that "special case" you mentioned the post before?
hammaad5 said:
Then what is that "special case" you mentioned the post before?
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Devices that became inoperable while running FireOS v3.2.6 or lower; does not apply to your device as you were running FireOS v4 with a locked bootloader.
Davey126 said:
Devices that became inoperable while running FireOS v3.2.6 or lower; does not apply to your device as you were running FireOS v4 with a locked bootloader.
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Can I recover my device by replacing only motherboard?
hammaad5 said:
Can I recover my device by replacing only motherboard?
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yes, of course
hammaad5 said:
Can I recover my device by replacing only motherboard?
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aaronkatrini said:
yes, of course
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I believe both mother and daughter boards are required. Others have reported great difficulty disassembling 7" models due to dense packaging and copious use of glue. Cracked screens are common. Also note the condition/preparation of the replacement components plays a large role on whether the device is ultimately recoverable.
Davey126 said:
I believe both mother and daughter boards are required. Others have reported great difficulty disassembling 7" models due to dense packaging and copious use of glue. Cracked screens are common. Also note the condition/preparation of the replacement components plays a large role on whether the device is ultimately recoverable.
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Wouldn't the motherboard and daughterboard be on the same board?
hammaad5 said:
Wouldn't the motherboard and daughterboard be on the same board?
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You'll need to do some homework to determine what is required. Not a lot of information out there. In the end it may be more cost effective to acquire another device.
Davey126 said:
I believe both mother and daughter boards are required. Others have reported great difficulty disassembling 7" models due to dense packaging and copious use of glue. Cracked screens are common. Also note the condition/preparation of the replacement components plays a large role on whether the device is ultimately recoverable.
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@Davey126, I contacted Amazon, and they said I still have a warranty for this device. Can I send this tablet to them for replacement?
hammaad5 said:
@Davey126, I contacted Amazon, and they said I still have a warranty for this device. Can I send this tablet to them for replacement?
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Yes! This is an excellent resolution to your issue. You will receive a refurbished (not new) replacement that is a one time courtesy exchange. I assumed your warranty has expired as 3rd gen HDX models went out of production last summer.
When the new one arrives be sure to post your intentions. It will likely arrive with FireOS v4 which requires special handling to root and install software (safestrap v4.x) that supports a limited suite of Kitkat based custom roms if that is your desire. Someone will validate your game plan to help avoid another brick.
Davey126 said:
Yes! This is an excellent resolution to your issue. You will receive a refurbished (not new) replacement that is a one time courtesy exchange. I assumed your warranty has expired as 3rd gen HDX models went out of production last summer.
When the new one arrives be sure to post your intentions. It will likely arrive with FireOS v4 which requires special handling to root and install software (safestrap v4.x) that supports a limited suite of Kitkat based custom roms if that is your desire. Someone will validate your game plan to help avoid another brick.
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Just to confirm, Can Amazon find out that the device was rooted?
Davey126 said:
Yes! This is an excellent resolution to your issue. You will receive a refurbished (not new) replacement that is a one time courtesy exchange. I assumed your warranty has expired as 3rd gen HDX models went out of production last summer.
When the new one arrives be sure to post your intentions. It will likely arrive with FireOS v4 which requires special handling to root and install software (safestrap v4.x) that supports a limited suite of Kitkat based custom roms if that is your desire. Someone will validate your game plan to help avoid another brick.
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Because I also had safestrap recovery and a custom rom on the Fire HDX 7 before it got Hard Bricked. Can Amazon find that out?
hammaad5 said:
Just to confirm, Can Amazon find out that the device was rooted?
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Doesn't matter - Amazon offers a onetime 'no questions asked' exchange during the warranty period. That said, I would not advertise the fact it was anything other than stock. Just say it refused to turn on following an update.
Davey126 said:
Doesn't matter - Amazon offers a onetime 'no questions asked' exchange during the warranty period. That said, I would not advertise the fact it was anything other that stock. Just say it refused to turn on following an update.
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Ok thanks! I'll send the device when I can.
Davey126 said:
I believe both mother and daughter boards are required. Others have reported great difficulty disassembling 7" models due to dense packaging and copious use of glue. Cracked screens are common. Also note the condition/preparation of the replacement components plays a large role on whether the device is ultimately recoverable.
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Well, all risk taken into consideration, it can be done. I'm talking from experience, I bought the motherboard from eBay from a seller from the US and had it shipped in Italy. With a friend, looking at the guide from iFixit was able to successfully replace the Motherboard. Still today the tablet is working fine.
The old motherboard, who is perfectly functional as of hardware, but the software-wise was bricked, was given as a gift to a user here in Xda for further development....
Davey126 said:
Yes! This is an excellent resolution to your issue. You will receive a refurbished (not new) replacement that is a one time courtesy exchange. I assumed your warranty has expired as 3rd gen HDX models went out of production last summer.
When the new one arrives be sure to post your intentions. It will likely arrive with FireOS v4 which requires special handling to root and install software (safestrap v4.x) that supports a limited suite of Kitkat based custom roms if that is your desire. Someone will validate your game plan to help avoid another brick.
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Thank God that Amazon sent me a replacement tablet! By the way, I sent them a 16 gb tablet and they gave me 32 gb! I think because they ran out of 16 gb replacements. Yes, it still has a locked bootloader, but it's fine for now. ??

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