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That's the title of a review from the quite large news-station in Denmark
Link for danes:
http://ekstrabladet.dk/kup/elektronik/gadgets/article1667847.ece
Link for non danes:
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The reviewer says it's better than ipad in all ways.
EDIT: How can i get an infraction from beign racist, when i'm a dane?
It's like saying "**** all americans" when you are born and raised in america.
mafiapanda said:
That's the title of a review from the quite large news-station in Denmark
Link for danes:
http://ekstrabladet.dk/kup/elektronik/gadgets/article1667847.ece
Link for non danes:
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The reviewer says it's better than ipad in all ways.
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Well, to be honest, that sounds like the reviewer is a total Android fanboy in that case. Prime does not beat 'ipad in all ways'. Even the biggest fanboys in this forum would not say that Prime is better than an iPad is in every way.
It's actually more like a preview
So what do you think of Benny Feilhaber?
I would. Only people who haven't owned or owned for very long would say that. ios is crazy locked down. There isn't much to do other than play games. Its like a prison rec yard with razor wire and little Steve jobs guards with whistles..
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Android vs. iOS is like religion and politics - you just don't go there. I'd never buy an Apple product because I can't stand their Orwellian control over both the h/w and s/w. But, for people who like things simple and thought out for them, iOS is a safe bet. Also, look at the price of a used TF1 vs. an iPad1. Apple sells more iPads in a week than Asus is projecting for all of 2012. Whether you like Apple or not they've built up quite a little empire of loyal fans. I just bought my niece a 32GB iPad2 because Garage Band doesn't exist for Windows or Android. So there are examples of things you can do on iOS that you can't on other platforms.
Gaming: ipad 2
Office stuff: push
Personalization: Android
Quik learning curve: ios
Transitions to apps: ios
All of this might/ should change with tegra 3 and ICS coming out, but we dont know what ipad3 will bring either.
What i chose in those "catagories" might make you think i would be a Apple fanboy, but i put personalizatio/customization as 88% of my personal scoring. I own an ipad and ipad 2 and theyre great for my wife and 3yo. But i love my a500 and my asus when it gets here.
pizza and beer ...
Android on a tablet is damn near all anyone needs for their daily computer needs. I FULLY believe android is the future of computing. Hands down blowing the doors off of ios. Its laughable really....
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banderling said:
So what do you think of Benny Feilhaber?
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he plays in new england, and probably does ipad
g0t0 said:
Gaming: ipad 2
Office stuff: push
Personalization: Android
Quik learning curve: ios
Transitions to apps: ios
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You forgot to mention:
OS Functionality: Android
iOS is essentially a glorified app launcher. Which fine as far as it goes, because iOS has lots of good apps. But I like being able to use my tablet without needing to launch apps, and there's quite a bit I can do with my Transformer right from the home screen (see recent emails, Tweets, Facebook updates, calendar events, tasks, etc., create Evernote notes, etc.).
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Transitions to apps: ios
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By that standard, we should have never outgrown Megablocks or Tonka trucks. LOL
I like my widgets, and not a glorified shortcut screen.
g0t0 said:
Gaming: ipad 2
Office stuff: push
Personalization: Android
Quik learning curve: ios
Transitions to apps: ios
All of this might/ should change with tegra 3 and ICS coming out, but we dont know what ipad3 will bring either.
What i chose in those "catagories" might make you think i would be a Apple fanboy, but i put personalizatio/customization as 88% of my personal scoring. I own an ipad and ipad 2 and theyre great for my wife and 3yo. But i love my a500 and my asus when it gets here.
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Not so sure about the gaming verdict there. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the iPad supports game controllers. Also it seems that I'm able to get a lot of the iTunes paid apps free in the Android Market.
Downloading from anywhere you want.......Android
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Funny how every thread here turns into an android vs ios discussion I think that just shows that both systems are very good and really competing. Best situation for us the users. They race each other with new features and lower prices and we profit!
Anyways it all comes down to personal preference. For me the Prime beats the iPad in all ways. But there are so many reasons why people get tablets and everyone is looking for something slightly different...
-There is the "i buy every apple product" guy
-There is the "i have all other products from apple so i buy my tablet from them as well" guy
-There's the "everything must be shiny and sparkling" guy (that obviously buys apple products)
-There's the "i would never buy an apple product" guy
-There's the "omg i love the keyboard dock idea on the prime" guy (me)
-There's the "i wont buy a tablet without full sized USB port somewhere" guy (me)
-There's the "i want to use my tablet for more than media consumption" guy (me)
-There's the "i dont want to jailbreak my device to be able to use it properly" guy (me)
and so on and on... I think in the end Apple will have about the same spot they have in the PC market now. Why? They've put those great ideas out there with the iphone and the ipad and no one else had any comparable products at the time. This situation is called "Monopoly". You get huge sales by that. Imagine there would be only one car manufactor...
But while other companies like ASUS improve this idea by adding new stuff, Apple somehow keeps to the original idea. So many gamers are screaming for a hardware control method. Apple says you have touchscreen its awesome. Having a keyboard dock and full sized ports is awesome but Apple says you have touchscreen and cloud thing - thats better. Etc.
i find that old people, women, and kids are more suited for ios. While its a "glorified shortcut screen" its all they really need. Oh yea, and non nerdy guys too.
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i find that old people, women, and kids are more suited for ios. While its a "glorified shortcut screen" its all they really need. Oh yea, and non nerdy guys too.
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I guess anyone who does not like/ want to spend time on customizing the OS would love the iOS experience. Similar to what happens with Mac vs. PC. You want to customize and be able to change everything that you could possibly think of but with the possibility of messing up your system, get a PC/Android. You want an out of box experience which is pretty much smooth while only safely letting you stay within the virtual walls the engineers developed, get an Apple.
Android tablets slowly chopping away iPad marketshare
Not sure if this is a correct place to post it, but I saw this article this morning
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/strategy-analytics-apple-still-owns-tablet-market-but-android/
According to numbers, Android is slowly eroding Apple's hold on tablet market. And I believe numbers do not show Transformer Prime yet. Wonder how long until we see the same thing here that happened with phone market, when Android overtook iPhone.
Meanee said:
Not sure if this is a correct place to post it, but I saw this article this morning
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/strategy-analytics-apple-still-owns-tablet-market-but-android/
According to numbers, Android is slowly eroding Apple's hold on tablet market. And I believe numbers do not show Transformer Prime yet. Wonder how long until we see the same thing here that happened with phone market, when Android overtook iPhone.
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iPhone hit back strongly last quarter though, impressive for one company to out-perform every other company out there put together. But yeah it is inevitable, Android will chip more of that market share away in upcoming years as long as companies produce great phones and tablets.
I cannot resist pointing out that quality control plays a huge role in it though. If Android phones and tablets become known for quality hardware and build wise as much as Android itself has become a very solid and stable operating system, this will happen quickly. But if the 'best Android tablet' launch, like that of TF201, is continuously full of problems in the future, then it's basically Android shooting itself in the foot.
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iPhone hit back strongly last quarter though, impressive for one company to out-perform every other company out there put together. But yeah it is inevitable, Android will chip more of that market share away in upcoming years as long as companies produce great phones and tablets.
I cannot resist pointing out that quality control plays a huge role in it though. If Android phones and tablets become known for quality hardware and build wise as much as Android itself has become a very solid and stable operating system, this will happen quickly. But if the 'best Android tablet' launch, like that of TF201, is continuously full of problems in the future, then it's basically Android shooting itself in the foot.
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Excellent points. I totally agree.
'No (need for) Windows 8 because....'
"We are not afraid of lawsuits, because we have an extensive portfolio of intellectual property rights”
Sony Mobile’s President and CEO Kunimasa Suzuki
http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/09/12/sony-mobiles-new-ceo-says-no-to-windows-phone-8/
This is exactly what I expected of Sony. You may have noticed when Sony bought out Ericsson's share, part of the deal which was commonly overlooked, was that Sony gets unrestricted license to Ericsson's patent portfolio. Combine Ericsson's founding foot in the origins of telephony combined with Sony's extensive catelogue, and you have a patent portfolio that would make even Apple pee themselves. If only Sony could share them (though it would be extremely disproportionately unfavourable to them).
I read that in some industries, something called 'patent pooling' can be agreed. So companies as you might expect, share specific patents and prohibit lawsuits related to those patents. I read though that in the mobile industry, it's very unlikely though.
Any thoughts?
Oh.
I was actually wondering what are the major patents that Sony (Ericsson) holds?
You would have to think that along with Motorola for example, Ericsson probably own many of the parents that mobile telecommunications are founded on. These are companies that have been in telecoms a neck of a lot longer than apple and build much of the infrastructure.
I doubt apple can hold claim to any of the core technology (though correct me if I am wrong), I would imagine much of their "innovative" tech is based around user experience. However how much did they patent during the newton project I wonder. Sony however have a very long history in portable gadgets and particularly audio so it could get interesting if there were to be a suit I guess.
Personally I believe Samsung did copy apple but only because much of that 'copied' was obvious and the patents shouldn't have been granted in the first place (how can you patent a rectangle with rounded corners when potable gadgets have been that shape from forever). Strange how other countries are throwing apple's allegations out of court yet in the us they are upheld - I'm not implying bias btw, just that the patents system is badly broken. The funny thing is that many of the key components in apple devices are made by Samsung in the first place, I know what would be thinking if iwas was Samsung.
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I was actually wondering what are the major patents that Sony (Ericsson) holds?
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A quick google found this
http://www.ericsson.com/thecompany/company_facts/patents
The problem Is how many are standards essential or legitimately licensed. Wouldn't fancy the job of going through them to find out!
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tarbyonline said:
You would have to think that along with Motorola for example, Ericsson probably own many of the parents that mobile telecommunications are founded on. These are companies that have been in telecoms a neck of a lot longer than apple and build much of the infrastructure.
I doubt apple can hold claim to any of the core technology (though correct me if I am wrong), I would imagine much of their "innovative" tech is based around user experience. However how much did they patent during the newton project I wonder. Sony however have a very long history in portable gadgets and particularly audio so it could get interesting if there were to be a suit I guess.
Personally I believe Samsung did copy apple but only because much of that 'copied' was obvious and the patents shouldn't have been granted in the first place (how can you patent a rectangle with rounded corners when potable gadgets have been that shape from forever). Strange how other countries are throwing apple's allegations out of court yet in the us they are upheld - I'm not implying bias btw, just that the patents system is badly broken. The funny thing is that many of the key components in apple devices are made by Samsung in the first place, I know what would be thinking if iwas was Samsung.
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A quick google found this
http://www.ericsson.com/thecompany/company_facts/patents
The problem Is how many are standards essential or legitimately licensed. Wouldn't fancy the job of going through them to find out!
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Thanks! You got your first thanks from me! :good:
Wohoo!
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Sony will never ever ever be sued for the same reasons Apple sued Samsung, neither will HTC, Motorola, and even LG. Their hardware is distinctive from the iPhone and they follow Google's hardware design guideline, unlike Samsung, who tries so hard to imitate the iPhone. First with the big fat giant home button, then S-this S-that. And they wonder why Apple goes after them.
apple cant even dare touch sony...
I doubt they've ever even considered it.
He also acknowledged in his statement that the company has consistently lost market share over the years. That's their greatest challenge....competing with the likes of Apple and Samsung. Forget Apple because Samsung is who they''ll really be up against. They need to first of all improve significantly on software and end this releasing phones with dated software business. It cripples the phones. Secondly they need to respect the idea of the flagship device and never again repeat the crap of a new flagship every three months or so. A joke!
Repeating any of these mistakes will just ensure that this market share that's already in decline, will see its devaluation accelerate. They are already too close for comfort to the point of no return.
Put all talk about patents to one side.
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apple cant even dare touch sony...
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Of course they can.
This is not how the patent litigation game is played.
It is a gamble. An attempt to cripple the oponent (just for now or permanently) and to cause as much bleeding and pain as possible. Means to kill outright (if they are lucky) or in worst case to get a better position in later negotiations.
For example, they are not afraid of Motorola which has tons and tons of various patents. They were not afraid of Nokia. They lost, but the gamble was worth trying.
Sony is safe for now only because they have such a tiny market share.
There are other reasons why Sony is currently not interested in WP platform. It would drain their resources, so Android phones would get even bigger delays. And currently there are no money in WP world, as there is a dying and desperate elephant ready for literally anything.
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Of course they can.
This is not how the patent litigation game is played.
It is a gamble. An attempt to cripple the oponent (just for now or permanently) and to cause as much bleeding and pain as possible. Means to kill outright (if they are lucky) or in worst case to get a better position in later negotiations.
For example, they are not afraid of Motorola which has tons and tons of various patents. They were not afraid of Nokia. They lost, but the gamble was worth trying.
Sony is safe for now only because they have such a tiny market share.
There are other reasons why Sony is currently not interested in WP platform. It would drain their resources, so Android phones would get even bigger delays. And currently there are no money in WP world, as there is a dying and desperate elephant ready for literally anything.
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Considering Apple has released documents showing how they copied Sony, hell the phone even has Sony printed on it, they dont have a leg to stand on. Sure they could sue but they don't have much of a case vs Sony.
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They dont need to. They can just sit and wait for Sony to collapse. After all they have so many times more money than Sony can ever have.
draugaz said:
Of course they can.
This is not how the patent litigation game is played.
It is a gamble. An attempt to cripple the oponent (just for now or permanently) and to cause as much bleeding and pain as possible. Means to kill outright (if they are lucky) or in worst case to get a better position in later negotiations.
For example, they are not afraid of Motorola which has tons and tons of various patents. They were not afraid of Nokia. They lost, but the gamble was worth trying.
Sony is safe for now only because they have such a tiny market share.
There are other reasons why Sony is currently not interested in WP platform. It would drain their resources, so Android phones would get even bigger delays. And currently there are no money in WP world, as there is a dying and desperate elephant ready for literally anything.
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Ok mister know all.
Sony would bangbus Apple.
Its not like what you see on media. Everything runs in the background. Even Samsung and Apple ****.
Drain resources?
Wp just sucks and has no customers thats the point. = No money.
I say it again, Sony would bangbuss Apple.
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Considering Apple has released documents showing how they copied Sony, hell the phone even has Sony printed on it, they dont have a leg to stand on. Sure they could sue but they don't have much of a case vs Sony.
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It is not like that matters much, there are 3242345 different ways to spin it in their favour. In that particular case Apple was just so incredibly lucky to get such a *censored* jury. Or maybe it is a home turf advantage, I don't know, but they equally did not had a leg to stand on against Samsung.
Such design or feature "inspiration" games are perfectly normal industry practice. Before "copying" Sony they did copy Braun: http://cheezburger.com/6563205376. And the new iPod nano is a "stolen" Samsung P2 from 2007: http://www.randomprocess.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/p2.jpg
In a sane world it is not a problem at all, everyone does it, it is called "getting inspired and improving on" or simply "following the industry trends". Unless you get a chance to persuade a bunch of laypeople that this is something wrong.
For example, look at the car or fashion industry. All cars follow certain fashion trends and get similar design elements. It is perfectly normal and nobody sues mercedes just because they adopted edged design pioneered by bmw. Or flat door panels without moldings with sharp bend going through door handles. Or LED DRL eyebrows from Audi which possibly in turn copied it from someone else.
Anyway, they don't necessary need to even touch the design patents, they have a ton of insanely broad technical patents.
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They dont need to. They can just sit and wait for Sony to collapse. After all they have so many times more money than Sony can ever have.
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They're not that dim witted to simply watch Sony die. Their revenue each year, with the net profit alongside well surpasses what they need to purchase Sony. And still be left with plenty of finances. They would most likely just purchase Sony.
Compare revenues this year, there's an $8 Billion deficit in favour of Apple. That's not including the Iphone 5 sales which will more than likely send said revenue soaring this year. Sony have released many new products this year, doesn't bode well right?
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Secondly they need to respect the idea of the flagship device and never again repeat the crap of a new flagship every three months or so. A joke!
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Which is pretty much what Nokia seemed to do (a long with putting all their eggs in the Symbian basket) and look what happened to them.
At the end of the day it all comes down to marketing. Like the new iPhone. Is not the moist technologically advanced handset out there but you can bet apple will shout about its merits louder than Sony will about their range. At the end of the day, prior to the iPod how many non-IT people had even heard of apple -the iPod itself is an example of clever marketing. As an MP3 player the original iPod wasn't fantastic -the sound quality was patchy, you had no custom equaliser, etc, etc. But people avoided more established audio brands including Sony in favor of the iPod as apple got the timing right and built a product many people found desirable. Its like jeans. What's the difference at the end of the day between 2 pairs of denim jeans made in the same factory. Probably not a lot. But put a brand name on one pair and you can bet it will sell a lot quicker due to the marketing undertaken by that brand.
If Sony want to make a major impact on the phone market then IMHO they need to do 3 things
1. Design desirable handsets with features people want and can't get from competitors such as apple like SD expansion, and equal or better everyone Elses build quality. Aluminium will always feel better quality than thin plastic yet apple make huge margins even though their production is outsourced.
2. Invest in marketing with a view to the payback coming in the long term (IMHO they missed a trick with the Xperia 2012 devices by not marketing the sound quality -many people use the MP3 function on their phones whilst commuting for example so why not trade on the Walkman brand more for example). Create a strategy and allow the mobile division to innovate without interference from other parts of the company - strong leadership is needed for this
3. Create a level of exclusivity by releasing a limited number of handsets a year, say an entry level, mid-range, and a flagship device with each having its own best in class feature and the higher models incorporating at least as good features as the models below in addition to their headline feature which appeals to their particular target market. If apple released as many phones as Sony have since the split from Ericsson there's no way they could create the hype and buzz around each new release. Samsung are a special case as their strategy seems more focused on flooding the market with devices but even so their build quality isn't the best which could haunt them.
RE the patents issue it seems to come down to who has the most luck on the day. It seems to me that apples big fear is someone else coming up with the next big thing as once apple are no longer seem by the general public as leading edge they have nothing to fall back on as essentially their only asset is the apple brand. Is not like they can supply components to other companies like Samsung, Motorola, and Sony can and regroup.
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I agree with a lot of what others think here too.
Another thing is, look at how many partners Apple has in making the iPhone including:
CPU: Samsung, though rumoured Apple is trying to develop it's own chip
Screens: Samsung, Sharp
Camera: Sony
Can Apple really afford to fight with everyone? (I mean more than just money terms).
p.s. I have no doubt that Apple would be intimidated by the Sony+Ericsson patent portfolio. If having a huge patent portoflio wasn't useful, then why would all these tech. companies be spending billions on buying patents? I finished my thesis on the patent wars in college a few months ago, I wish I could have gotten more of this in! :victory:
I just found this, one of Steve Jobs' best friends thinks the Apple vs. Samsung verdict will be overturned and he says he doesn't agree with Apple recent behaviour anyway:
http://www.talkandroid.com/131823-a...idForums+(Android+News,+Rumours,+and+Updates)
Steve Wozniak
It's not about Sony itself.
The big boy here is Ericsson,wich have almost the entire range of intellectual patents for essential GSM communication and data. (2g,3g,4g...)
And Sony acquired it
Apple is not so dumb to do this.
They know the smell of "danger".
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Mister, Sony is among the top 5 patent holders GLOBALLY. There is no way Apple can even dream of suing Sony.
I know this is a little off topic,. but thought it should be seen. Here is the article that i copied and pasted with the URL below to the story, thanks.
There has been lots of action in the mobile industry this week.
First, Samsung is launching a much-anticipated new smartphone in New York this evening--a phone that many observers think will vault it ahead of Apple (AAPL) and the rest of the smartphone industry.
The existing version of this phone, the Galaxy S3, has already put Samsung on a par with Apple, with many phone buyers preferring the Galaxy's large screen to the smaller one on Apple's iPhone 5.
Samsung's new phone, the Galaxy S4, will be even bigger, and it is also expected to have several other new features that may make the iPhone look old and boring in comparison.
Related: Everything You Need to Know About The Samsung Galaxy 4S
Samsung, the Korean TV giant, has come out of nowhere over the last few years to become the world's largest smartphone seller. This rise has surprised both Wall Street and Apple. Apple's stock has tanked. And with Samsung now poised to leap past Apple, Apple executives are suddenly on the defensive.
This week, in a surprising move that has rubbed even Apple fans the wrong way, one of Apple's senior executives, Phil Schiller, gave interviews to The Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg in which he trashed the Android operating system that powers Samsung phones.
"When you take an Android device out of the box, you have to sign up to nine accounts with different vendors to get the experience iOS comes with," Schiller told the WSJ. "They don't work seamlessly together."
He went on to say that "Android is often given as a free replacement for a feature phone and the experience isn't as good as an iPhone."
The points that Schiller made about Android--that it is fragmented into different versions and that it's not as simple to use as Apple's operating system--were reasonable. But coming as they did on Samsung's big launch day, the comments seemed defensive, classless, and even desperate.
Apple's founder and CEO, Steve Jobs, was famous for trashing his competitors' products. But Jobs' picked his spots carefully. His criticisms came on Apple conference calls or at Apple events. He didn't try to steal competitors' thunder on their product launch days.
Also, in the days when Jobs was ridiculing the competition, Apple really was miles ahead of everyone. But it no longer is. So the sudden show of bravado seems even more tone deaf.
The last big development in the smartphone industry this week is that the executive who has built Google's (GOOG) Android operating system from the ground up, Andy Rubin, is being replaced by another Google executive.
Google appears to want to "unify" its two operating systems, Android and a laptop-based operating system called Chrome. This move makes strategic sense: In a world in which "mobile" is now a continuum between laptops and phones (with tablets in between), it's silly to maintain two separate operating systems. And it looks as though, in this unification, Google has chosen between two executives and decided to have the new combined effort led by Chrome boss Sundar Pichai.
In a trend that is reminiscent of the PC industry in the 1980s and 1990s, the Android operating system has become the dominant global mobile operating system over the last several years.
Apple's operating system, meanwhile, iOS, has been reduced to a niche player.
In "platform markets" like these, in which third-party companies build apps and services that run on top of these operating systems, market share is very important.
So if Samsung's new phone is a big hit, and Google's Android continues to gain global market share, Apple's challenges are only going to increase.
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...ve-samsung-launches-huge-phone-145732269.html
This is not development. Smfh..... To the article. Didn't mean this to sound that mean. Just a little mean
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This is probably in the wrong section and will probably be moved. but i call bull**** on this! Samsung smokes apple out of the water, and im just talking about the Note 2.. And i came from an iPhone just last year!
I love the iPhone and I love android. Both for different reasons. The iPhone always "just works". Which is fantastic and boring at the same time. Android works great or needs help working great which is all the fun we do
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hopesrequiem said:
I love the iPhone and I love android. Both for different reasons. The iPhone always "just works". Which is fantastic and boring at the same time. Android works great or needs help working great which is all the fun we do
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Well this is my first android phone where it "just works".. on top of the freedom that comes along with it, by far, the best phone on the market. It's already awesome!
Wrong section . People fail to realize that Android statistics include the cheaper, lower end phones. Samsung caters to those who want the high end devices as well as to those who seek a low-cost for, while apple does NOT.
So they are comparing their ONLY phone which is their HIGH end to a variety of androids from the GN2 to some android phone you can pick up for pennies on the dollar. Those who I have spoken to that talked bad about androids were talking about phones I've never even heard of. What they should do is compare the satisfactory ratings for specific phones and see which one comes on top...oh wait...already done that and saw the results
So many editors are so quick to jump the gun and publish an article with HORRIBLE sources and populations in which the statistics were gathered from.
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So if this is off topic why would you for any reason think it goes in development? I mean you've been around since 2010..... come on man! Reported.
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Thread has been moved, and unfortunately I am going to have to close it also. All talk of "iPhone vs. Android" or "Apple said this" tends to get ugly fast. Trust me I despise Apple just as much as most of us do, but this isn't the place for it.
Thanks very much for this forum
I'm an end user not a developer but would like to contribute my experiences.
Apologies i did try to re-find a thread on use -case-scenarios and implementation but wasn't able to find that
Some background : friends think i'm an early adopter techno-geek gadget-hag.
I'm like no - I only buy a new gadget if it offers the promise to improve on things
I have a dream where technology frees one from technology.
Whatever I got an O level in computing in 1981, didn't really understand it and my "coding" was really convoluted compared to my more gifted fellow students (there were only 6 of us) who were talking PEEK & POKE and who bought (or had bought for them) a programmable Tandy "tablet sized" computer albeit one with a very tiny screen.
Fast forward a few years I stumbled on the Casio & Sharp Digital Diaries in a high street store.
I'm like "so you can store all that stuff in your pocket? - I'm in".
Then various iterations of the Psion - "like you can have a spreadsheet, database and contacts list in your pocket - how cool is that?"
So I overcame my computer phobia and then went through a number of very small laptop devices running Windows 3.1 or whatever
The Olivetti Quaderno was the best of these but I think ran a pre windows 286 MS-DOS OS (?), couldn't really do that much and was soon ditched by Olivetti
I tried other tiny laptops including Toshiba but their usability was limited by their connectivity - not their form factor
Fast Forward a few more years and I'm in a heated meeting with my business colleagues playing with my new toy
One says " oh have you got one of them new iPhones"
Another says " they said on the GadgetShow it was rubbish compared to the Sony whatever"
I reached into my other pocket and pulled out the Sony whatever
" yes this is a really good phone but the iPhone is a computer" ...... and could already do things I'd been trying to do for 20 years" (ok so I was an amateur gadget hag all along)
I'd swallowed Apple's tagline "it just works" but lived in a big city with 2 new Apple Stores where the Apple Geniuses knew how to help when things went wrong - rather than the current situation where the Apple Genius/Sales-Person tells you to "just google it"
Fast forward 5 more years (2009?) and i had a wrist phone from LG that was able to make phone text & video calls. I still have it now but it's defunct (battery)
I read on these forums how a user damaged the Gear S charger but the LG you could only make a firm connection using elastic bands)
Whatever
I'm puzzled by any reviews or comments anywhere where the author or poster asks "why would anyone want or need that?"
I'm like " if the use case doesn't resonate with you then shut up"
I made an expensive mistake buying an older PAYG Samsung phone updating the OS and installing Gear Manager - but it wouldn't recognise the Gear S.
Ignoring that mistake, acquisition costs of the Gear S plus my new Galaxy S4 was about $900 which I think is cheaper than an iPhone - very much cheaper when you factor in the costs of repairing damaged screens
(ok I'm not loving the Samsung build/design quality compared to the iDevices or others) but there is something not right about very expensive solid feeling devices designed to fall out of your pocket and smash whenever you jump out of your car or whatever. I've not turned into an Apple Hater - the MacBooks are/were the ruggedest laptops going - they didn't even need the "rugged" tag - but you only have to sit on a Macbook Air to destroy it these days .
Mac Alert "this device is not for sitting on".
Human interface response "yeah but it's so sleek i never noticed it was there when I sat down"
Gear S -" i won't sit on it or drop it because its on my wrist - like a watch but a phone too - what a fantastic idea!"
I am trying to make sense and consolidate all the sim cards & data plans I got to get my Gear S working but imho this device trumps everything .
As one review said - it's cutting edge techno but harks back to retro simplicity.
"all I ever wanted , all I ever needed is here on my arm"
The Gear S is fantastic
The first comprehensive review
Slashgear
https://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review-05498280/
The Verge
https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/5/16253308/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review
Engadget
https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/05/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review/
Android Authority
http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review-795053/
Android Central review
https://www.androidcentral.com/sams...feature&utm_campaign=navigation&utm_source=ac
Android Police
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/0...w-overpriced-s8-pen-still-pretty-great-phone/
i notice biggest disagreement with all current reviews is the battery, some say its charge lasts too short, some say its about right right and some praise it. I suspect results will also differ based on CPU.
My favourite so far MrMobile [Michael Fisher]
What's with all the reviews saying this phone is a tough sell or hard to recommend? It seriously must be from people who don't use the S-pen often. It's what makes this phone phenomenal. It's not a toss in. It's irreplaceable.
They also seem to say you shouldn't need to upgrade from your S8+... No kidding, this isn't for those people (generally).
PsiPhiDan said:
What's with all the reviews saying this phone is a tough sell or hard to recommend? It seriously must be from people who don't use the S-pen often. It's what makes this phone phenomenal. It's not a toss in. It's irreplaceable.
They also seem to say you shouldn't need to upgrade from your S8+... No kidding, this isn't for those people (generally).
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It's basically the price. $900+ is new territory for a non-niche smartphone that reviewers are simply having a difficult time recommending people spend that much money without some mind blowing feature like a front fingerprint sensor embedded onto the screen or the first next gen processor of the year or a battery that gives 5000 mAH while remaining the same size or free wireless earbuds or a phone that will make you scrambled eggs and toast in the morning. Unfortunately, when the next iPhone rolls around for $1000+, those same reviewers will sing praises because it has new mind-blowing features like a bezel-less screen and all-glass construction and wireless charging.
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It's basically the price. $900+ is new territory for a non-niche smartphone that reviewers are simply having a difficult time recommending people spend that much money without some mind blowing feature like a front fingerprint sensor embedded onto the screen or the first next gen processor of the year or a battery that gives 5000 mAH while remaining the same size or free wireless earbuds or a phone that will make you scrambled eggs and toast in the morning. Unfortunately, when the next iPhone rolls around for $1000+, those same reviewers will sing praises because it has new mind-blowing features like a bezel-less screen and all-glass construction and wireless charging.
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Haha, agreed on that last part. It'll be sickening.
PsiPhiDan said:
What's with all the reviews saying this phone is a tough sell or hard to recommend? It seriously must be from people who don't use the S-pen often. It's what makes this phone phenomenal. It's not a toss in. It's irreplaceable.
They also seem to say you shouldn't need to upgrade from your S8+... No kidding, this isn't for those people (generally).
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If the differences between the S8+ and the Note 8 were the same as the differences between "Current iPhone" and "Upcoming iPhone", the tech media would call it "game changing" and "revolutionary". If an Android handset does try to do something different, like the secondary screen on the V10, the tech media calls it a gimmick. Tech journos would lick the sweat off of Tim Cooks balls and tell everyone it was a lovely unwooded Chardonnay with hints of citrus fruit.
harveydent said:
Unfortunately, when the next iPhone rolls around for $1000+, those same reviewers will sing praises because it has new mind-blowing features like a bezel-less screen and all-glass construction and wireless charging.
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They be slinging shills to pay da bills.
Besides Erica Griffin very few reviewers understand the demographic that use the Note series
jah said:
Besides Erica Griffin very few reviewers understand the demographic that use the Note series
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I'll be interested to see her review on the Note 8 as, like you said, she seems to understand the fan-base that will be buying this phone.
Probably best to use this thread to add all reviews to it now. This is my review after 1 Week, with some tips and camera showcase. I had been using iPhone 7 Plus for a whole year as my main phone.
https://gavinsgadgets.com/2017/09/21/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review-1-week-later-camera-showcase/
PsiPhiDan said:
What's with all the reviews saying this phone is a tough sell or hard to recommend? It seriously must be from people who don't use the S-pen often. It's what makes this phone phenomenal. It's not a toss in. It's irreplaceable.
They also seem to say you shouldn't need to upgrade from your S8+... No kidding, this isn't for those people (generally).
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You are banging your head against a brick wall.
So few people understand the purpose of the Note range. They compare the Note 8 with the SGS8+ etc etc. Makes me wonder how such people can call themselves technical reviewers? I have seen this with EVERY Note released.
So few seem to understand the Note is not for everyone, it fills a clearly defined niche. There is the Galaxy 8 RANGE of mobiles and they are non comparable. The 8 is aimed at the majority who desire a top flag ship mobile. The 8+ is for those who want extra size and what we now call a 'phablet'. The Note 8 is exactly what it says, its mobile aimed at those who USE the bloody S-pen!
If you only new how puzzled I get when I read a post here or see a review where the poster says he has bought the Note but never uses the S-pen and then goes on to criticise the device?? I simply dont get it.
WHO WHO WHO goes to buy a car, lets say a Merc' E series, and compares the coupe with the saloon and the cabriolet? Who are these people? Three different cars to suit three different customers, with three different needs.
Like I have written previously, it's a shame the Note 8 has a greater IQ than 'some' of its critics.
However.............
Ryland :highfive:
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jah said:
The first comprehensive review
Slashgear
https://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review-05498280/
The Verge
https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/5/16253308/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review
Engadget
https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/05/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review/
Android Authority
http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review-795053/
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Thanks for the post, must have taken you some time to arrange this for us. :good:
My comment is NOT aimed at you.
What qualifies a Youtube poster as "Professional" ? If one means salaried that's fine. I fear when most people read the term 'professional' they automatically think of a person with professional training and qualifications like an engineer etc.
In reality I suspect the vast majority of those who write or post review-clips are enthusiast's like us or just amateur's at best trying to earn a living?
A real professional review, and they are rare, will not pass an opinion only lay down the scientific facts for us to make our own conclusion, they are objective.
Far too often such 'so called reviews' are highly subjective and some are even based on financial rewards thus making them totally subjective and biased.
The problem is today anyone of us can open a Youtube account and post what clips we like. Must be very difficult for the novice buyer in today's market not knowing what to read-view or what is creditable and non creditable.
I am rather thankful I have been purchasing such devices since the late 1980's so have some knowledge and experience of what to look for. Its a mine field.
Ryland :good:
Ryland Johnson said:
You are banging your head against a brick wall.
So few people understand the purpose of the Note range. They compare the Note 8 with the SGS8+ etc etc. Makes me wonder how such people can call themselves technical reviewers? I have seen this with EVERY Note released.
So few seem to understand the Note is not for everyone, it fills a clearly defined niche. There is the Galaxy 8 RANGE of mobiles and they are non comparable. The 8 is aimed at the majority who desire a top flag ship mobile. The 8+ is for those who want extra size and what we now call a 'phablet'. The Note 8 is exactly what it says, its mobile aimed at those who USE the bloody S-pen!
If you only new how puzzled I get when I read a post here or see a review where the poster says he has bought the Note but never uses the S-pen and then goes on to criticise the device?? I simply dont get it.
WHO WHO WHO goes to buy a car, lets say a Merc' E series, and compares the coupe with the saloon and the cabriolet? Who are these people? Three different cars to suit three different customers, with three different needs.
Like I have written previously, it's a shame the Note 8 has a greater IQ than 'some' of its critics.
However.............
Ryland :highfive:
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Thanks for the post, must have taken you some time to arrange this for us. :good:
My comment is NOT aimed at you.
What qualifies a Youtube poster as "Professional" ? If one means salaried that's fine. I fear when most people read the term 'professional' they automatically think of a person with professional training and qualifications like an engineer etc.
In reality I suspect the vast majority of those who write or post review-clips are enthusiast's like us or just amateur's at best trying to earn a living?
A real professional review, and they are rare, will not pass an opinion only lay down the scientific facts for us to make our own conclusion, they are objective.
Far too often such 'so called reviews' are highly subjective and some are even based on financial rewards thus making them totally subjective and biased.
The problem is today anyone of us can open a Youtube account and post what clips we like. Must be very difficult for the novice buyer in today's market not knowing what to read-view or what is creditable and non creditable.
I am rather thankful I have been purchasing such devices since the late 1980's so have some knowledge and experience of what to look for. Its a mine field.
Ryland :good:
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I agree many reviews are mainly subjective.
Few reviewers understand note taking and the cognitive benefits of writing information down as opposed to typing. This is why the reMarkable product has had so much backing from early adopters as there are few good tablet based pen solutions. The reviews I linked to are where there is an online tech magazine or blog that also has a YouTube channel. This is why I entitled it as "professional" as there are many reviewers that don't the time or resources to undertake a quality review. Also if you read the comment section for the YouTube reviews you'll see people do point out that not many reviewers understand the utility of the S Pen.
Ryland Johnson said:
You are banging your head against a brick wall.
So few people understand the purpose of the Note range. They compare the Note 8 with the SGS8+ etc etc. Makes me wonder how such people can call themselves technical reviewers? I have seen this with EVERY Note released.
So few seem to understand the Note is not for everyone, it fills a clearly defined niche. There is the Galaxy 8 RANGE of mobiles and they are non comparable. The 8 is aimed at the majority who desire a top flag ship mobile. The 8+ is for those who want extra size and what we now call a 'phablet'. The Note 8 is exactly what it says, its mobile aimed at those who USE the bloody S-pen!
If you only new how puzzled I get when I read a post here or see a review where the poster says he has bought the Note but never uses the S-pen and then goes on to criticise the device?? I simply dont get it.
WHO WHO WHO goes to buy a car, lets say a Merc' E series, and compares the coupe with the saloon and the cabriolet? Who are these people? Three different cars to suit three different customers, with three different needs.
Like I have written previously, it's a shame the Note 8 has a greater IQ than 'some' of its critics.
However.............
Ryland :highfive:
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Thanks for the post, must have taken you some time to arrange this for us. :good:
My comment is NOT aimed at you.
What qualifies a Youtube poster as "Professional" ? If one means salaried that's fine. I fear when most people read the term 'professional' they automatically think of a person with professional training and qualifications like an engineer etc.
In reality I suspect the vast majority of those who write or post review-clips are enthusiast's like us or just amateur's at best trying to earn a living?
A real professional review, and they are rare, will not pass an opinion only lay down the scientific facts for us to make our own conclusion, they are objective.
Far too often such 'so called reviews' are highly subjective and some are even based on financial rewards thus making them totally subjective and biased.
The problem is today anyone of us can open a Youtube account and post what clips we like. Must be very difficult for the novice buyer in today's market not knowing what to read-view or what is creditable and non creditable.
I am rather thankful I have been purchasing such devices since the late 1980's so have some knowledge and experience of what to look for. Its a mine field.
Ryland :good:
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Flossy Carter is where it's at. He knows and understands the Note series. Every watched his 50 minute review on this phone? It's amazing. And hilarious.
PsiPhiDan said:
Flossy Carter is where it's at. He knows and understands the Note series. Every watched his 50 minute review on this phone? It's amazing. And hilarious.
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RAH lol. I enjoy seeing him be so gentle with his moggy. Sort of a gentle giant.
Ryland