The first comprehensive review
Slashgear
https://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review-05498280/
The Verge
https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/5/16253308/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review
Engadget
https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/05/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review/
Android Authority
http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review-795053/
Android Central review
https://www.androidcentral.com/sams...feature&utm_campaign=navigation&utm_source=ac
Android Police
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/0...w-overpriced-s8-pen-still-pretty-great-phone/
i notice biggest disagreement with all current reviews is the battery, some say its charge lasts too short, some say its about right right and some praise it. I suspect results will also differ based on CPU.
My favourite so far MrMobile [Michael Fisher]
What's with all the reviews saying this phone is a tough sell or hard to recommend? It seriously must be from people who don't use the S-pen often. It's what makes this phone phenomenal. It's not a toss in. It's irreplaceable.
They also seem to say you shouldn't need to upgrade from your S8+... No kidding, this isn't for those people (generally).
PsiPhiDan said:
What's with all the reviews saying this phone is a tough sell or hard to recommend? It seriously must be from people who don't use the S-pen often. It's what makes this phone phenomenal. It's not a toss in. It's irreplaceable.
They also seem to say you shouldn't need to upgrade from your S8+... No kidding, this isn't for those people (generally).
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It's basically the price. $900+ is new territory for a non-niche smartphone that reviewers are simply having a difficult time recommending people spend that much money without some mind blowing feature like a front fingerprint sensor embedded onto the screen or the first next gen processor of the year or a battery that gives 5000 mAH while remaining the same size or free wireless earbuds or a phone that will make you scrambled eggs and toast in the morning. Unfortunately, when the next iPhone rolls around for $1000+, those same reviewers will sing praises because it has new mind-blowing features like a bezel-less screen and all-glass construction and wireless charging.
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It's basically the price. $900+ is new territory for a non-niche smartphone that reviewers are simply having a difficult time recommending people spend that much money without some mind blowing feature like a front fingerprint sensor embedded onto the screen or the first next gen processor of the year or a battery that gives 5000 mAH while remaining the same size or free wireless earbuds or a phone that will make you scrambled eggs and toast in the morning. Unfortunately, when the next iPhone rolls around for $1000+, those same reviewers will sing praises because it has new mind-blowing features like a bezel-less screen and all-glass construction and wireless charging.
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Haha, agreed on that last part. It'll be sickening.
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What's with all the reviews saying this phone is a tough sell or hard to recommend? It seriously must be from people who don't use the S-pen often. It's what makes this phone phenomenal. It's not a toss in. It's irreplaceable.
They also seem to say you shouldn't need to upgrade from your S8+... No kidding, this isn't for those people (generally).
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If the differences between the S8+ and the Note 8 were the same as the differences between "Current iPhone" and "Upcoming iPhone", the tech media would call it "game changing" and "revolutionary". If an Android handset does try to do something different, like the secondary screen on the V10, the tech media calls it a gimmick. Tech journos would lick the sweat off of Tim Cooks balls and tell everyone it was a lovely unwooded Chardonnay with hints of citrus fruit.
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Unfortunately, when the next iPhone rolls around for $1000+, those same reviewers will sing praises because it has new mind-blowing features like a bezel-less screen and all-glass construction and wireless charging.
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They be slinging shills to pay da bills.
Besides Erica Griffin very few reviewers understand the demographic that use the Note series
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Besides Erica Griffin very few reviewers understand the demographic that use the Note series
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I'll be interested to see her review on the Note 8 as, like you said, she seems to understand the fan-base that will be buying this phone.
Probably best to use this thread to add all reviews to it now. This is my review after 1 Week, with some tips and camera showcase. I had been using iPhone 7 Plus for a whole year as my main phone.
https://gavinsgadgets.com/2017/09/21/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review-1-week-later-camera-showcase/
PsiPhiDan said:
What's with all the reviews saying this phone is a tough sell or hard to recommend? It seriously must be from people who don't use the S-pen often. It's what makes this phone phenomenal. It's not a toss in. It's irreplaceable.
They also seem to say you shouldn't need to upgrade from your S8+... No kidding, this isn't for those people (generally).
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You are banging your head against a brick wall.
So few people understand the purpose of the Note range. They compare the Note 8 with the SGS8+ etc etc. Makes me wonder how such people can call themselves technical reviewers? I have seen this with EVERY Note released.
So few seem to understand the Note is not for everyone, it fills a clearly defined niche. There is the Galaxy 8 RANGE of mobiles and they are non comparable. The 8 is aimed at the majority who desire a top flag ship mobile. The 8+ is for those who want extra size and what we now call a 'phablet'. The Note 8 is exactly what it says, its mobile aimed at those who USE the bloody S-pen!
If you only new how puzzled I get when I read a post here or see a review where the poster says he has bought the Note but never uses the S-pen and then goes on to criticise the device?? I simply dont get it.
WHO WHO WHO goes to buy a car, lets say a Merc' E series, and compares the coupe with the saloon and the cabriolet? Who are these people? Three different cars to suit three different customers, with three different needs.
Like I have written previously, it's a shame the Note 8 has a greater IQ than 'some' of its critics.
However.............
Ryland :highfive:
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The first comprehensive review
Slashgear
https://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review-05498280/
The Verge
https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/5/16253308/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review
Engadget
https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/05/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review/
Android Authority
http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review-795053/
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Thanks for the post, must have taken you some time to arrange this for us. :good:
My comment is NOT aimed at you.
What qualifies a Youtube poster as "Professional" ? If one means salaried that's fine. I fear when most people read the term 'professional' they automatically think of a person with professional training and qualifications like an engineer etc.
In reality I suspect the vast majority of those who write or post review-clips are enthusiast's like us or just amateur's at best trying to earn a living?
A real professional review, and they are rare, will not pass an opinion only lay down the scientific facts for us to make our own conclusion, they are objective.
Far too often such 'so called reviews' are highly subjective and some are even based on financial rewards thus making them totally subjective and biased.
The problem is today anyone of us can open a Youtube account and post what clips we like. Must be very difficult for the novice buyer in today's market not knowing what to read-view or what is creditable and non creditable.
I am rather thankful I have been purchasing such devices since the late 1980's so have some knowledge and experience of what to look for. Its a mine field.
Ryland :good:
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You are banging your head against a brick wall.
So few people understand the purpose of the Note range. They compare the Note 8 with the SGS8+ etc etc. Makes me wonder how such people can call themselves technical reviewers? I have seen this with EVERY Note released.
So few seem to understand the Note is not for everyone, it fills a clearly defined niche. There is the Galaxy 8 RANGE of mobiles and they are non comparable. The 8 is aimed at the majority who desire a top flag ship mobile. The 8+ is for those who want extra size and what we now call a 'phablet'. The Note 8 is exactly what it says, its mobile aimed at those who USE the bloody S-pen!
If you only new how puzzled I get when I read a post here or see a review where the poster says he has bought the Note but never uses the S-pen and then goes on to criticise the device?? I simply dont get it.
WHO WHO WHO goes to buy a car, lets say a Merc' E series, and compares the coupe with the saloon and the cabriolet? Who are these people? Three different cars to suit three different customers, with three different needs.
Like I have written previously, it's a shame the Note 8 has a greater IQ than 'some' of its critics.
However.............
Ryland :highfive:
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Thanks for the post, must have taken you some time to arrange this for us. :good:
My comment is NOT aimed at you.
What qualifies a Youtube poster as "Professional" ? If one means salaried that's fine. I fear when most people read the term 'professional' they automatically think of a person with professional training and qualifications like an engineer etc.
In reality I suspect the vast majority of those who write or post review-clips are enthusiast's like us or just amateur's at best trying to earn a living?
A real professional review, and they are rare, will not pass an opinion only lay down the scientific facts for us to make our own conclusion, they are objective.
Far too often such 'so called reviews' are highly subjective and some are even based on financial rewards thus making them totally subjective and biased.
The problem is today anyone of us can open a Youtube account and post what clips we like. Must be very difficult for the novice buyer in today's market not knowing what to read-view or what is creditable and non creditable.
I am rather thankful I have been purchasing such devices since the late 1980's so have some knowledge and experience of what to look for. Its a mine field.
Ryland :good:
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I agree many reviews are mainly subjective.
Few reviewers understand note taking and the cognitive benefits of writing information down as opposed to typing. This is why the reMarkable product has had so much backing from early adopters as there are few good tablet based pen solutions. The reviews I linked to are where there is an online tech magazine or blog that also has a YouTube channel. This is why I entitled it as "professional" as there are many reviewers that don't the time or resources to undertake a quality review. Also if you read the comment section for the YouTube reviews you'll see people do point out that not many reviewers understand the utility of the S Pen.
Ryland Johnson said:
You are banging your head against a brick wall.
So few people understand the purpose of the Note range. They compare the Note 8 with the SGS8+ etc etc. Makes me wonder how such people can call themselves technical reviewers? I have seen this with EVERY Note released.
So few seem to understand the Note is not for everyone, it fills a clearly defined niche. There is the Galaxy 8 RANGE of mobiles and they are non comparable. The 8 is aimed at the majority who desire a top flag ship mobile. The 8+ is for those who want extra size and what we now call a 'phablet'. The Note 8 is exactly what it says, its mobile aimed at those who USE the bloody S-pen!
If you only new how puzzled I get when I read a post here or see a review where the poster says he has bought the Note but never uses the S-pen and then goes on to criticise the device?? I simply dont get it.
WHO WHO WHO goes to buy a car, lets say a Merc' E series, and compares the coupe with the saloon and the cabriolet? Who are these people? Three different cars to suit three different customers, with three different needs.
Like I have written previously, it's a shame the Note 8 has a greater IQ than 'some' of its critics.
However.............
Ryland :highfive:
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Thanks for the post, must have taken you some time to arrange this for us. :good:
My comment is NOT aimed at you.
What qualifies a Youtube poster as "Professional" ? If one means salaried that's fine. I fear when most people read the term 'professional' they automatically think of a person with professional training and qualifications like an engineer etc.
In reality I suspect the vast majority of those who write or post review-clips are enthusiast's like us or just amateur's at best trying to earn a living?
A real professional review, and they are rare, will not pass an opinion only lay down the scientific facts for us to make our own conclusion, they are objective.
Far too often such 'so called reviews' are highly subjective and some are even based on financial rewards thus making them totally subjective and biased.
The problem is today anyone of us can open a Youtube account and post what clips we like. Must be very difficult for the novice buyer in today's market not knowing what to read-view or what is creditable and non creditable.
I am rather thankful I have been purchasing such devices since the late 1980's so have some knowledge and experience of what to look for. Its a mine field.
Ryland :good:
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Flossy Carter is where it's at. He knows and understands the Note series. Every watched his 50 minute review on this phone? It's amazing. And hilarious.
PsiPhiDan said:
Flossy Carter is where it's at. He knows and understands the Note series. Every watched his 50 minute review on this phone? It's amazing. And hilarious.
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RAH lol. I enjoy seeing him be so gentle with his moggy. Sort of a gentle giant.
Ryland
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Please be courteous and tasteful in your responses to this thread. I only want to show support for our phone and spread the good word.
I'm pretty sickened by some of the reviewers on CNET for the Sprint Touch Pro (i'm sure they'll do it to the verizon version too). They're rating this phone half a star out of five just because they're in love with their iPhones. They clearly don't know a thing about Windows Mobile or Sprint and the bias is appalling. "This phone doesn't have 3g" & "Just another asian joke!!!!!!!!"" - quotes like these make me sick (don't judge me for calling these reviewers names, they asked for it and it's just my opinion). Apparently, they have no idea what EVDO rev A is and don't realize our phones had it before the iPhone even came out. It's also obvious these douche bags skewed the "has this review been useful" option that cnet has for their reviews. Before this phone started getting noticed by people outside of ppcgeeks/xda, the reviews on cnet were much more realistic. I know i shouldn't care, but it's obvious iPhone users are bitter for some reason. That being said, this means war. Touch Pro vs iPhone users (keep it classy guys).
Why do any of us rate any product on a website? To give an accurate review of the product we bought and tested, so that others can learn from our purchases. That way, those people can make a better decision on buying a product. This is what this thread is about. Take back the respect that HTC should be earning with this phone. If you disagree on making the reviews right, then you obviously don't get it. I'm not saying everyone should go out and give it 5 stars, but it should not be getting half a star by someone that's not even with sprint and doesn't know what evdo is. It's neat to own a unique piece of tech, but the higher the demand, the better our devices will get. If HTC devices were more popular, maybe we'd be sitting with a CDMA Touch Hd right now, instead of the Touch Pro. Who knows? Sprint may even stray from offering so many business phones, if they finally get the iPhone. Where will that leave us?
I say we band together and write positive reviews on CNET for this phone that we've come to love in a short time. It's obviously much better than our previous devices and shouldn't even come close to getting half a star! I mean, I love WM and don't like the iPhone, but i'd never give it a crappy rating like that. I ask that everyone who writes a review on cnet: to please, keep is clean and tasteful. We don't need to bash innocent iPhone users, we just need to give a true rating to silence these biased iPhoners. If you must, you could always just click "reply" on their review and tell them why you think they're just being biased (replies to reviews should be fair game because the original reviewers can defend themselves. Chances are they won't because they know it's a bs review in the first place).
Please go here and write a positive review, so people who aren't biased that are looking for a great business/customizable phone can rely on real feedback:
http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/htc-touch-pro-sprint/4852-6452_7-33248637.html?tag=rnav
UPDATE: We've managed to add about 50+ to the amount of positive reviews at cnet thanks to ppcgeeks and xda members. I think it's safe to say that we are silencing those irrational applehead reviews. Thank you.
PPCGeeks thread: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=44937
shame on them, the touch pro is by far the best windows mobile phone i've used to date. i'm going to write a review now.. thanks
I think your post worked.
I wouldn't worry too much.
It's obvious that all those iPhone users are so unhappy with their purchase that they're reading reviews on other products and already looking for an upgrade.
For those who has SERO, all you need to tell the iFone fanboys is: "BEAT THAT PRICE".
http://www.cnet.com/profile/phelony503/?tag=userReviews%3bsummaryList
THis phone would be my new wife lmao
HTC FTW
patches11 said:
http://www.cnet.com/profile/phelony503/?tag=userReviews%3bsummaryList
THis phone would be my new wife lmao
HTC FTW
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that's hilarious
It's a shame that they can only rate htc devices 3 and a half stars at most. This phone has improved in multiple ways over past phones, but it still is not getting credit. I'll spread the word though.
orlandojumpoff said:
It's a shame that they can only rate htc devices 3 and a half stars at most. This phone has improved in multiple ways over past phones, but it still is not getting credit. I'll spread the word though.
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been spreading the word for some time now on the touch pro. it simply outclasses the iphone by leaps and bounds. the only thing that the iphone has is screen size, but i like the smaller size of my touch pro.
the iphone looks like a face shield when someone is using it.
only thing im siappointed about is smart dial.
ive gone from the xv6800 to htc pro and loving it..
i am also extremely surprised on how well sprint is working out for me because the coverage is fantastic. i had sprint in nyc and it was flawless, in syracuse according to many it's a serious issue and that information has turned out to be false. the service in syracuse is fantastic.
they dont even mention the card scanner which in my opinion is an incredible and extremely useful function on this device
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been spreading the word for some time now on the touch pro. it simply outclasses the iphone by leaps and bounds. the only thing that the iphone has is screen size, but i like the smaller size of my touch pro.
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I love my Touch Pro but one thing that's missing is the organized and clever way apps are available on the iPhone...the app store is a solid centralized front for finding apps and updating them, something I feel is really lacking for WM (and POS) phones. Sure, we have freewarepocketpc and pocketgear and (barf) Handango, but how easy is it to access one of those sites quickly from your device and see if there are any updates to your installed programs?
Of course, the app store isn't a perfect idea but it's a level of organization that I wish WM had. There are some really neat apps for the iphone that I wish we had for ours
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they dont even mention the card scanner which in my opinion is an incredible and extremely useful function on this device
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exactly! it's supposed to be the best business phone sprint has to offer... that's something that's useful in the business world and also something they should have reviewed in their vid/article. It's not in the vid, but they mentioned it by name only in page 2 of their review... Definitely should have told people more about it instead of just name dropping it.
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I love my Touch Pro but one thing that's missing is the organized and clever way apps are available on the iPhone...the app store is a solid centralized front for finding apps and updating them, something I feel is really lacking for WM (and POS) phones. Sure, we have freewarepocketpc and pocketgear and (barf) Handango, but how easy is it to access one of those sites quickly from your device and see if there are any updates to your installed programs?
Of course, the app store isn't a perfect idea but it's a level of organization that I wish WM had. There are some really neat apps for the iphone that I wish we had for ours
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doesn't sprint have a store accessible by the default PIE homepage? It's not as great but who cares... we have developer sites like xda and ppcgeeks...we get a lot of our apps for free they aren't governed by microsoft. We can also install these app right out of the box, we don't have to jailbreak our phones. Apple has too much of a strongarm on their phone, it can't be used to its full potential... people have to wait around for official fixes if their phone is acting up. We also had orb long before iPhone got it, that tells you how hard it is to get an app out for them. Do they even have access to slingbox mobile yet?
It's a great phone and all, but I'll stick with wm and my touch pro... can't beat the customization and wm community. While our phones are decked out with different interfaces, if you look at people with iPhones, they all look the same... how boring.
they're not in the same league
the touch pro has a keyboard, iphone is a slim and dandy device.
touch pro has more memory (even in verizon's config), more resolution, and more carriers out there, thanks to windows mobile.
it may not be as hip and iconic as the iphone but imho htc makes some quality phones and windows mobile is pretty rockin.
The attitude I have been seeing on my daily marketing blogs and newsletter feeds is all about the iPhone does this or that, I even replied to a statement that the iPhone will be the only mobile that does cut-n-paste, when I replied, he told me I was wrong, that ours was a very limited C-P, odd I just used it an hour ago and it worked fine.
In fact here is the post at Silicon Alley Insider:
http://www.businessinsider.com/dont-buy-a-smartphone-until-june-2009-4
The folks backing the iPhones remind me of the old Mac/PC forum wars of years ago, mine is better then yours crap.
I only wish I could get a better battery life and Sprint covered my house better
Seriously, what's with these "reporters" trashing devices they've never used?
http://www.slate.com/articles/techn...g_new_trend_toward_enormous_smartphones_.html
All that negative talk about the note while admitting:
"The Note hasn’t been released yet, and I haven’t tried it out"
He gives himself away in the last portion of his biased rant:
But I will point out that the iPhone remains, by far, the best-selling smartphone in the world, and it has never deviated from its original dimensions. It’s time for Apple’s competitors to take a lesson from this success and realize that bigger isn’t necessarily better and that a phone’s utility decreases as its screen inflates.
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chill, every device will have bad reviews. Most reviews are a joke
jessejames111981 said:
chill, every device will have bad reviews. Most reviews are a joke
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But that wasnt even a review as he didnt even use one....was more like a biased preview.
jessejames111981 said:
chill, every device will have bad reviews. Most reviews are a joke
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Reread, it's a rant, not a review.
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He gives himself away in the last portion of his biased rant:
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Right, and when the iPhone finally gets a screen size upgrade all these trolls will talk about how great the new size is, how it doesn't feel bulking with little baby hands, how it's not at all awkward to hold up against your head. Christ, they probably shoot a premature load when they find out their new 8" tablet makes phone calls.
I'm currently an iPhone user. Have been since the day they came out, but that will be changing once FedEx knocks on my door on Friday (tomorrow would be even better). I have always loved my iPhone. It has been nearly perfect for what I've needed it to do except in one specific area: Screen size. Sure, I could have made the jump to a 4.x" Android phone but there weren't any phones of that size that I was interested in, and with the push to 4G/LTE there were even less Android devices I was personally felt were captivating to me. What really pushed my decision to leave the iPhone was the release (or the announcement I should say) of the iPhone 4s. Wow! What a disappointment. I didn't find the move from the 3g to the 3gs to be all that spectacular and I certainly wasn't overly awestruck by Siri. Sure, there was some increase in performance but there were no improvements in the area where I wanted it, the screen size. 5.3' is big. There is no doubt about that, but I have big hands, and as much as I've enjoyed each and every iPhone I've ever owned I have always had a problem fumbling around with the virtual keyboard, even when in landscape. My kids on the other hand, they love their iPhones. They use the crap out of them for what they do, and they love Siri. And you know what, that's fine too...
I can't stand how 99% of the reviews for other phone find need to even mention the iPhone. Review the phone your reviewing and stop swinging from apple's nut sack like Tarzan its pathetic to say the least...
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This and BGR's "review" were disappointing. All I got out of them was: "My hands aren't manly enough, give me a phone that won't mess with my manicure"
I'm so frakin sick of apple. I hate the way they do business I hate the way they make phones. And yes I have owned plenty of Apple products. Apple treats the world like poo by trying to hold every patent available and trying to sue and banish anyone that even tries to do something with mobile phones. Frak u apple. Just Frak u. Bow Down in the presence of one of the greatest advancements in the mobile world apple lovers the Galaxy Note!
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It's funny how in this piece Farjad writes that "When you go back to a normal phone after using something so large, you wonder what on earth you were thinking." While Engadget says "After a few hours with the Note you'll very quickly become accustomed to the size, and once you have you won't want to go back."
I don't see how he can justify that the utility of a phone diminishes as it's screen size increases. So long as it is pocketable, and increase in screen size will always increase utility. More screen real estate means more room for your fingers, more room for enjoying media, less zooming, and much less eye strain. I absolutely despise anybody that brags about the fackin 'retina display'. At 3.5", holding the phone a foot away or more makes small text unreadable anyways. Yes, our ppi is slightly lower at 285 I believe, but hell, you can at least read text from a foot away. Also, if you move an iphone close enoygh to make the screen appear the same size as the note, or the note far enough away to seem the same size as the iphone, guess what? The note has higher resolution. Bam. Some people are just too stupid and ignorant to accept the fact that the note destroys the need to carry a phone and a tablet. Yes, readability on an iPad is probably easier with the large display, but it's still an extra device that you have to carry, and it really cannot be held comfortably for extended periods of time anyways due to its weight to size ratio. The note will have a great weight to size ratio, making enjoying media for extended periods of time rival that of the lightweight kindles and nooks. Plus it makes calls. It's sad when people are so loyal to a brand that they fail to realize that other brands make superior products. I would take my current infuse or my old cappy over an iPhone any day of the week. And my old cappy is two years old.
The other thing that apple lovers fail to realize is that fragmentation isn't a completely bad thing. It gives you options. You have phones from the size of the HTC aria or xperia mini all the way up to the infuse, galaxy nexus and note, and everywhere in between. You can choose the device that suits your needs best, and aren't locked to a single size, incrementally update phone.
Also, I hate when apple fans bash the rate that new android phones are released. That hate is fackin stupid. It allows you to get the latest and greatest smartphone whenever you are available to upgrade, not just once a year. It also promotes competition that has driven the quality and technology of android devices at an unbelievable pace. Yes, your phone will not be the latest and greatest shortly after you purchase it, but you still have a top of the line phone that is every bit as good, if not better in my opinion, than an iPhone. Fragmentation pushes manufacturers to try new things that will bring great phones to the market much faster than one phone per year. I guarantee that if apple made multiple versions and screen sizes of the iPhone that their market share would not increase. Instead, they would have fewer people per each device, with roughly the same number of people.
People like having choices, and until apple realizes that, iOS will forever be behind android.
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It's funny how in this piece Farjad writes that "When you go back to a normal phone after using something so large, you wonder what on earth you were thinking." While Engadget says "After a few hours with the Note you'll very quickly become accustomed to the size, and once you have you won't want to go back."
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Once I got my HTC Advantage 5 years ago, I knew I would never go back to a "normal" phone. I have always loved having a 5" screen. THAT is normal.
boxerlover02 said:
I can't stand how 99% of the reviews for other phone find need to even mention the iPhone. Review the phone your reviewing and stop swinging from apple's nut sack like Tarzan its pathetic to say the least...
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Love this comment. Completely agree. It seems nearly impossible yo read a phone review without mention of an iPhone. And why?!!
Constant mention of it is probably the only thing that keeps the iPhone relevant (in any way that it is). Is apple paying all these people!? Jeebus! iPhone is crap compared to even my 2yr old Evo 4g. And I've got ICS on my Evo lol. Would apple ever ALLOW THAT? Hell NO.
Hey, "reviewers", listen carefully,...there is no need to mention iPhone unless you are REVIEWING an iPhone (once a year). Try that, and see what happens to apples market share. I guarantee it would stagnate. You currently are just providing free, unwarranted, press for apple. And looking a fool
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Love this comment. Completely agree. It seems nearly impossible yo read a phone review without mention of an iPhone. And why?!!
Constant mention of it is probably the only thing that keeps the iPhone relevant (in any way that it is). Is apple paying all these people!? Jeebus! iPhone is crap compared to even my 2yr old Evo 4g. And I've got ICS on my Evo lol. Would apple ever ALLOW THAT? Hell NO.
Hey, "reviewers", listen carefully,...there is no need to mention iPhone unless you are REVIEWING an iPhone (once a year). Try that, and see what happens to apples market share. I guarantee it would stagnate. You currently are just providing free, unwarranted, press for apple. And looking a fool
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While I agree that it is stupid for so many reviewers to talk about the iPhone, that is not "the only thing that keeps the iPhone relevant." Millions of people have and will continue to buy iPhones even if new Android phones are not compared to the iPhone in reviews. The reasons the iPhone is popular are legion, from people who are clueless, to Apple cultists, to people who legitimately prefer the feel of iOS to other mobile options. The clueless people are the only people who might be influenced by lack of iPhone mention in reviews, but I sincerely doubt that many of them have ever read a review of Android device online.
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-nexus-10-review
>Finally a good review
>http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-nexus-10-review
No way!! A flagship Android tablet getting a good review from an Android site?! SHOCK!
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>Finally a good review
>http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-nexus-10-review
No way!! A flagship Android tablet getting a good review from an Android site?! SHOCK!
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IT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT SAYS EVERYTHING WE WANT TO HEAR. :angel:
>IT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT SAYS EVERYTHING WE WANT TO HEAR.
Hahah yeah exactly. Just as Fox News is good for conservatives and MSNBC is good for liberals. Actually, I shouldn't laugh; selective input is the scourge of today's society.
BTW, I did skim over abovesaid review. Typical fanboy drivel.
"...everything about the Nexus 10 just screams bad-ass."
"Tis a good time to be an Android fan."
And what would you like? It is a good time to be an Android fan and Nexus 10 owner to support the tablet app ecosystem. It's hard to come across a review, which would be written by a person not using either Android or iOS in everyday life, so there is always going to be bias in som sense.
Anyways, Jerry from AndroidCentral is very good with reviews and I believe that if there was something fundementaly wrong with the tablet, he would mention it.
>And what would you like?
What I would like is not to have to take some dude's word (confession: my opinion of the typical blogger is not high.) I'm conversant enough with the tech to make my own assessment. What I would like are hard data (basically numbers and specs,) plus any insight from the reviewer's firsthand use. The reviewer's opinion matters as well, if I can accord it credibility. I don't need the "oh it's great you'll love it trust me" rah-rah crap.
Now, I understand that many people prefer the assurance of an "expert," which I suppose include your garden-variety blogger. Given my iconoclastic bent, I sadly must part with such security blankets.
>It is a good time to be an Android fan and Nexus 10 owner to support the tablet app ecosystem.
It would be a good time for fans if N10 turns out to be successful and engenders a flood of tab apps. We are all hoping for that. But that has yet to happen, so please excuse while I go sit on the eggs.
I realize I'm fated to be the eternal pessimist, but selling N10 retail at $499 isn't the best formula for said success, IMO. That said, please don't let this Neg Nancy spoil your joy.
Really, I hope N10 does well. Rah rah.
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>And what would you like?
What I would like is not to have to take some dude's word (confession: my opinion of the typical blogger is not high.) I'm conversant enough with the tech to make my own assessment. What I would like are hard data (basically numbers and specs,) plus any insight from the reviewer's firsthand use. The reviewer's opinion matters as well, if I can accord it credibility. I don't need the "oh it's great you'll love it trust me" rah-rah crap.
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And what criteria was the AC review missing for you?
Specs: Check.
Personal observations: Check
Personal insight: Check
Specifications on the N10 have been out for weeks, not much more to cover there, but he did include them for the sake of article completeness.
He made fairly astute observations about how it felt in the hand, how it struck him aesthetically, how the device performed, etc.
So his "review crime" was prefacing the article with enthusiasm? He's discredited because he liked the device? That's pretty valuable information in the "insight" category as far as I'm concerned. Sure, it's subjective, but all reviews that are more than regurgitating specs are when you get right down to it.
Windows 8, for example, in purely objective review format, is superior to Windows 7 in every category. But actually using it on a non-touchscreen device will quickly bring to light its weaknesses. However, you really only get that sort of information from either hands-on use or (wait for it) subjective reviews.
I like benchmarks as much as the next guy, and really appreciate sites like Anandtech that have a good methodology for testing. But, I don't buy ANYTHING based on a cold hard Anandtech-style review. Case in point, I don't own any Apple products.
>And what criteria was the AC review missing for you?
Nothing. There were no new insights gleaned--other than that the reviewer is a rabid Android fanboy. Most N10 aspects have already been revealed. The only unknowns remaining are left to the final build, which reportedly are being pushed out OTA as we speak. Hopefully, we'll get info for 4.2's multi-user acct and (possible) Miracast support tomorrow from reviewers.
>Specs: Check.
>Personal observations: Check
If only it were as simple as filling out a checklist, yes?
>Windows 8, for example, in purely objective review format, is superior to Windows 7 in every category.
There's little I can say here to one who has no clue what the word "objective" means. Perhaps you know what "oxymoron" means.
BTW, if Win8 were so awesome, Sinofsky wouldn't be packing his bag right now.
>I like benchmarks as much as the next guy
I don't, as benchmarks rarely matter outside of geek circles. But it's a piece of hard data, assuming proper methodology--which all too often is faulty. Anyway, there are many other important aspects not covered in the typical blog "review" (quotes intentional.) One good case in point is the universally rosy blog reviews of the Asus TF Prime, which turned out to be quite the opposite in real-world use.
>I don't buy ANYTHING based on a cold hard Anandtech-style review.
Anandtech has its pitfalls. Its forte is CPU architectures and traditional x86 desktop testing. Mobile devices and testing are outside of its core competency, and it shows. To wit: The Asus TF Prime was given a similar thumbs-up along with the rest of the blogging circuit. I've noted other lapses. Regardless, its reviews are usually detailed enough, benchmarks aside, that one doesn't have to lean so heavily on the reviewer's judgment. Per the homily: Show me, don't tell me.
In case it's not clear by now, it's more important to review the reviewer than the object being reviewed, because once you know the first, you know the second.
So now we are cherry-picking reviews?! This reminds me of a certain presidential candidate who decided he wasn't really behind, the polls just needed unskewing
And Anandtech rocks! Always has always will
If most of the reviews say its a nice device with so so viewing angles and average battery life then I'm inclined to believe them. And nobody will argue with the fact that that Android tablet App selection needs work compared to iOS.
That said, Apple is an arrogant ****e company and their saint Steve was a prick who never cared about anyone but himself so for me its an easy choice.
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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/nexus-10-tablet-is-a-solid-house-built-on-shifting-sands/
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That said, Apple is an arrogant ****e company and their saint Steve was a prick who never cared about anyone but himself so for me its an easy choice.
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"These products are crap because I don't like the guy who made the company"
How about coming up with a sensible reason,
e.g. "I don't want an iPad because I find iOS to be a bit stale, and I like to be able to tinker with my devices.
Pretty sure how a dead guy acted/ how a company acted wouldn't usually affect your product choices, so stop being silly about apple being apple and instead point out the flaws in the tech rather than the company.
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"These products are crap because I don't like the guy who made the company"
How about coming up with a sensible reason,
e.g. "I don't want an iPad because I find iOS to be a bit stale, and I like to be able to tinker with my devices.
Pretty sure how a dead guy acted/ how a company acted wouldn't usually affect your product choices, so stop being silly about apple being apple and instead point out the flaws in the tech rather than the company.
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Unlike silly fanboys I look objectively at the pros and cons of a product. I stated that the iPad was still a bit better tablet than the nexus and clearly listed why. If a company's policies, leadership and general attitude bother me then I don't want to buy their products, so it most definitely affects my product choices. I don't need any other reason than that. I'm soooo sorry if that's not sensible enough for you
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Does anyone know how Sony are doing with sales of the Ultra? I have not managed to find anything on the net regarding this?
I just wondered how popular such a large phablet is?
Ryland
I have no idea. It could be 20, 100000 or 1 million. Take your guess.
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I have no idea. It could be 20, 100000 or 1 million. Take your guess.
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There are at least 4 in NZ, that I know of - a country of 4 +million, extrapolate that to the world population - that means that there should be about 8000 sold
We'll never know because that will translate to how much tax they gonna pay lol...
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Does anyone know how Sony are doing with sales of the Ultra? I have not managed to find anything on the net regarding this?
I just wondered how popular such a large phablet is?
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I wanna know it too.
Going to say more than 200,000 units
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Sony has released its numbers for Q3. They sold 10.7 million Xperia devices in Q3 which means they sold, and will sell around 40 million Xperia devices this year, which is a lot more than i thought myself. How many of those 40 millions are Ultras? I have no idea, but at least 1/40 should be Ultras, so 1 million (yes, i'm only speculating).
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Sony has released its numbers for Q3. They sold 10.7 million Xperia devices in Q3 which means they sold, and will sell around 40 million Xperia devices this year, which is a lot more than i thought myself. How many of those 40 millions are Ultras? I have no idea, but at least 1/40 should be Ultras, so 1 million (yes, i'm only speculating).
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I had no idea Sony mobile where selling in that sort of volumes. I have been keeping an eye on Samsung sales and knock all other mobiles way out of the ball park. Oddly enough when magazines mention and debate mobile sales only three main names even appear, Samsung, Apple and LG. HTC even Nokia have been trying hard to play catch up.
Blackberry, Nokia, Motorola and HTC have all been in dire straits this past few years.
Sony has also obviously pulled itself up by its shoes laces as they also saw a very large drop in sales. I am pleased to see Sony making headway again. If only Nokia had made Android phones. Now they never will.
Just imagine the size of the Samsung empire! Jeez its a behemoth of a company. Must be THE most successful electronics manufacturer of all times not to mention its heavy and light engineering divisions. Korea became what Japan once was as Japan became what the UK once was.
No prizes for guessing what the new leading countries are going to be.
Interesting.
Ryland
Yeah, and Sony sold its VAIO division today. It's a sad day, but I think this will make Sony even better and they'll hopefully think twice before they do anything or think about releasing mediocre products. Sony should only release well engineered and designed products from now on, so they can get back to being the company they once were, that Steve Jobs admired and loved.
(Yes, Jobs looked up to Sony back in the day)
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Yeah, and Sony sold its VAIO division today. It's a sad day, but I think this will make Sony even better and they'll hopefully think twice before they do anything or think about releasing mediocre products. Sony should only release well engineered and designed products from now on, so they can get back to being the company they once were, that Steve Jobs admired and loved.
(Yes, Jobs looked up to Sony back in the day)
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Sansui, Sanyo, Toshiba, Aiwa, Nakamichi, Pioneer, Rotel, Technics, Akai, Sony, Nagaoka. Denon JVC, Hitachi, Stax, AT, Sharp, Kenwood, TEAC, Onkyo, Marantz ............Many of those names in Hi-fi where legendary. Some have now disappeared all together.
Nakamichi made some of the greatest tape decks ever produced while Pioneer of old made some outstanding amplifiers as did Sansui. Sony AV multi channel audio amps.... So many now owned by other companies or gone for ever. Sony was one of the high street brands one could take for granted as being top of the range. Must add very expensive BUT one used to get what one paid for.
Sony has been one of the only brands to have their own high street shops as do B&O and Apple.
I have also been reading some reports today about Sony and the billions in sales they make every year yet some sections of the company still manage not to make a profit while others only make a few million in profit. Some years ago Sony nearly went under all together.
Rather pleased to see Sony now back on the right track. Sony have always been a niche market and never sold in massive numbers with regard to Hi-fi, Mobiles and TV's etc. Perhaps they diversified to much by purchasing all those Hollywood film companies?
I waffle, Sorry,
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Sansui, Sanyo, Toshiba, Aiwa, Nakamichi, Pioneer, Rotel, Technics, Akai, Sony, Nagaoka. Denon JVC, Hitachi, Stax, AT, Sharp, Kenwood, TEAC, Onkyo, Marantz ............Many of those names in Hi-fi where legendary. Some have now disappeared all together.
Nakamichi made some of the greatest tape decks ever produced while Pioneer of old made some outstanding amplifiers as did Sansui. Sony AV multi channel audio amps.... So many now owned by other companies or gone for ever. Sony was one of the high street brands one could take for granted as being top of the range. Must add very expensive BUT one used to get what one paid for.
Sony has been one of the only brands to have their own high street shops as do B&O and Apple.
I have also been reading some reports today about Sony and the billions in sales they make every year yet some sections of the company still manage not to make a profit while others only make a few million in profit. Some years ago Sony nearly went under all together.
Rather pleased to see Sony now back on the right track. Sony have always been a niche market and never sold in massive numbers with regard to Hi-fi, Mobiles and TV's etc. Perhaps they diversified to much by purchasing all those Hollywood film companies?
I waffle, Sorry,
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Great post. I also just read that Sony is cutting loose its Ebook business. It's pretty obvious they're restructuring the company and are cutting loose everything that doesn't make them a profit. It makes perfect sense, and i support the decision. They should focus on a few things, and make them as good as possible, and not do everything half assed and hope for the best.
although their ereader is good.
Down here they have a good chunk of the TV market,although I suspect Samsung is making inroads into it
Not enough sold. The Z.Ultra is a ahead of its time. If the screen was bigger in the same form factor would be amazing.
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You may well regret saying that:laugh:
Product identity and consumer understanding.
Grab a coffee, this could be a long post...........
Like most of us I spend a fair amount of time reading various reports, industry reviews and forum posts. There is an awful lot of confusion with regard to mobile devices.
When is a mobile phone a mobile phone and when is a tablet a tablet? Part of the sales problems with the in between range of devices is identity. Unofficially we have named them 'phablets'. This IS important. Far to many professional reviewers write about the size of over 5" screens as being to big and not mobile. I tend to agree with them. Hang on. I tend to agree with them when they review said device as a mobile phone. IF we could officially adopt an industry name and categorisation such as 'phablet' this would reduce customer confusion and also help with sales and customer satisfaction.
When the net book was introduced they initially came out with an 8" screen. Toshiba made them, started a whole new segment in the portable device section. Consumers then purchased them and moaned about the screen being too small! Next model came with a 9" then 10" then before we new it we where in the lap top range so customers reverted back to lap tops and the net book died.
Then came the ultra book with an Intel industry specification. That seems to have worked as the industry has kept to that specification thus there is zero identity crisis when one purchases an ultra book.
The Xperia Ultra et al are not true mobile phones. With this is mind such devices come under an awful lot of fire as reviewers compare such devices with, for example, the Apple 5S. rather absurd when one thinks about it BUT understandable because as yet the term 'phablet' is unofficial. it matters, identity matters to avoid wrong and negative comparison.
IF those who make 'phablets' call them 'phablets' and box them as 'phablets' the consumer can make a much more educated choice of purchase.
The Ultra and those of a similar size should be marketed as a new breed of device, their strengths should be highlighted and that way this constant comparison game wold stop. No one reviews a car with a motor bike! Tow different machines.
I would very much like to see an industry standard with regard to this situation and each device market under that criteria. So much criticism is aimed at the Ultra also Note and Mega etc as being too big as a mobile phone. They ARE! They are not too big if we call them what they are...vis,,,a phablet
A phablet is not a mobile phone nor a tablet so why should we not celebrate the difference and concentrate on our phablets strengths?
Words and correct identification matter. Sales and consumer opinion matter. To this end we could boost sales also have a greater customer level of satisfaction if we called out Ultra et al what it is and not what it is not. What is the problem with the large companies marketing their phablets as phablets?
Just another ramble.
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Not enough sold. The Z.Ultra is a ahead of its time. If the screen was bigger in the same form factor would be amazing.
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I understand your point completely. May I suggest the following? Maybe sales are affected due to consumer confusion vis, its much to large and rather preposterous to be sold under the guess of a 'mobile phone' YET absolutely spot of size for a superb 'phablet'?
Second point. Sony went thin on the Ultra. To reduce those top and bottom large bezels would mean making the Ultra fatter. if we think on this for a while it is logic as the electronic components have to go some where. If we take pastry we start with a think lump not wide.as we roll it out it becomes thinner and bigger, same amount of pastry in both scenarios though, not my best analogy!:silly:
Hey. Much better example. The MPV, its not a car nor a mini van and isn't sold as either it has its own unique identity
Visit the sites of Phone manufactures and they separate, for obvious reason, a phablet from a mobile phone. Why not introduce that third option the phablet? Correct and accurate branding will help greatly with sales as we human being do love to compartmentalise things be it people, behaviours or purchases, all to do with out comfort zones.
Place an Apple iPhone 5S along side an Ultra, mega or Note3 et al and call them 'mobile phones' and............its just speaks for itself.
Now remove that possibility and introduce a new product category with the correct sales identification and you have a wonderful option. More than a mobile phone and more portable than a tablet, its a phablet..........away ya go..........:good:
IF only life was that simple eh?
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There are at least 4 in NZ, that I know of - a country of 4 +million, extrapolate that to the world population - that means that there should be about 8000 sold
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LOL... love the logic!
60% of the time... it works everytime !!
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LordManhattan said:
Great post. I also just read that Sony is cutting loose its Ebook business. It's pretty obvious they're restructuring the company and are cutting loose everything that doesn't make them a profit. It makes perfect sense, and i support the decision. They should focus on a few things, and make them as good as possible, and not do everything half assed and hope for the best.
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Sony have their own finance company in Japan. makes tens of millions profit. Their manufacturing dep. don't make nearly as much. However their view is to "Be the brand of choice in the hearts and minds of our customers by delivering the best customer experience."
They said they didn't believe other electronic consumer companies did that, so they decided to stay in the market.
Interesting... I have had an excellent experience with their products... but not after sales service...
So I came across this video and felt the need to share it. The real kicker is at 0:53 to 1:00. Basically, the guys says, and I quote, "...you can even add an extra row of apps on the bottom of the home screen. It's a real improvement."
They've done this for the past 2 years now. Adding an extra row of apps is now considered a major improvement?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFCLYDwsjOA
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So I came across this video and felt the need to share it. The real kicker is at 0:53 to 1:00. Basically, the guys says, and I quote, "...you can even add an extra row of apps on the bottom of the home screen. It's a real improvement."
They've done this for the past 2 years now. Adding an extra row of apps is now considered a major improvement?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFCLYDwsjOA
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It is when your brand new phone is compared to phones from 2012. Just like they say that Apple has introduced a "fresh new idea" to the phone market by creating a phablet phone,
wow i watched that video and i don't know why, the title of this post sucked me in. who the hell is that milk-toast? i guess they let anyone in front of the camera these days. funny how everything they vehemently criticized other OEMs for is suddenly okay, now that apple has made the "best large screen phone". large phones need to get thinner so you can hold them comfortably in your hand? yeah that makes perfect sense considering the basic anatomy of our hand and the concavity of our palms. douche.
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wow i watched that video and i don't know why, the title of this post sucked me in. who the hell is that milk-toast? i guess they let anyone in front of the camera these days. funny how everything they vehemently criticized other OEMs for is suddenly okay, now that apple has made the "best large screen phone". large phones need to get thinner so you can hold them comfortably in your hand? yeah that makes perfect sense considering the basic anatomy of our hand and the concavity of our palms. douche.
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lol that's a new one. Milk-toast. I think I'm going to start using that. :good:
Thank you for this. I was having a bad day, it has been slightly brightened by my laughter Thanks!
Sh*t like this just infuriates me. It's not that I'm an Android fanboy or anything like that, I just don't like false advertising. Their marketing (this counts as Apple marketing due to them only supplying reviewers with units in advance upon agreeing to give a glowing review) is just blatant lying. To claim "The best large screen made" is absolute sh*t.
There are some of us that look at devices and actually pay attention to the fact that Apple's "Retina HD" display on the 6 is a "4.7-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit widescreen Multi‑Touch display with IPS technology, (1334 x750) at 326 ppi with a 1400:1 contrast ratio". First, let's negate a lot of the bullsh*t Apple includes in their descriptions. Everyone has Multi-Touch. IPS screens REQUIRE backlight. It's a limitation of the technology. They also consume more power. The draw to making them is that they're cheap to produce. That makes sense (and cents). This is one of the biggest reasons that the cost-per-phone production price of the iPhone 5s ($199) is LOWER than the cost of the Samsung Galaxy S4 ($237).
By comparison, the S5 has a 5.1” FHD Super AMOLED (1920 x 1080) at 432 ppi with an INFINITE contrast ratio. SAMOLED screens are more expensive to produce but do not require a backlight, are much slimmer, require MUCH less power, and reflect less light - making them easier to read outdoors.
I'm a gadget guy. I look at the pros and cons of a lot of devices to pick which one is generally the best. No well informed consumer would buy an inferior product that costs more. It makes no sense at all. It does seem like I hate on Apple. I just don't agree with blatantly lying to sell a product. Even worse, I can't stand the general attitude of Apple as a company in stating that they make superior products when they absolutely know they don't. This trickles down to their consumers, who are much less informed, that tout how they have the greatest thing out there. Sure, if you'd like to believe that, fine. However, I don't mind telling you that you're wrong.
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I'm a gadget guy. I look at the pros and cons of a lot of devices to pick which one is generally the best. No well informed consumer would buy an inferior product that costs more. It makes no sense at all. It does seem like I hate on Apple. I just don't agree with blatantly lying to sell a product. Even worse, I can't stand the general attitude of Apple as a company in stating that they make superior products when they absolutely know they don't. This trickles down to their consumers, who are much less informed, that tout how they have the greatest thing out there. Sure, if you'd like to believe that, fine. However, I don't mind telling you that you're wrong.
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Bingo. But every company blatantly lies. It's just how much they can get away with. And apple seems to be getting away with quite a lot.
I found a few things interesting about the video.
1. They used a dorky guy to review the iPhone. Typically, the clientele for iPhone are people who *think* they are snazzy, hip, cool, and have things that everyone else wants - someone not very fruity. They used someone that an iPhoner would describe as an Android user.
2. This guy seriously thinks that one of the main/only reasons people chose Android was the screen size. Hardly.
Love this
That video accurately portrays literally every iPhone user out there. completely gullible fools. It's like... WOW.. Apple finally made the Nexus 4. lol !! And who remembers when the note 3 came out and every Apple fanboy laughed and made memes about how large the "phone" was ?? Well...Apparently the overall height of the iPhone 6 Plus is TALLER than the note 3..lol. classic. Buy hey... At least they get another row of buttons.
Android eats Apples for Breakfast.
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I will never own a Apple device. I like to be able to customize my device. And with Apple you can't customize crap. They are locked in every way. Why would any one want something like that?