http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-nexus-10-review
>Finally a good review
>http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-nexus-10-review
No way!! A flagship Android tablet getting a good review from an Android site?! SHOCK!
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>Finally a good review
>http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-nexus-10-review
No way!! A flagship Android tablet getting a good review from an Android site?! SHOCK!
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IT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT SAYS EVERYTHING WE WANT TO HEAR. :angel:
>IT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT SAYS EVERYTHING WE WANT TO HEAR.
Hahah yeah exactly. Just as Fox News is good for conservatives and MSNBC is good for liberals. Actually, I shouldn't laugh; selective input is the scourge of today's society.
BTW, I did skim over abovesaid review. Typical fanboy drivel.
"...everything about the Nexus 10 just screams bad-ass."
"Tis a good time to be an Android fan."
And what would you like? It is a good time to be an Android fan and Nexus 10 owner to support the tablet app ecosystem. It's hard to come across a review, which would be written by a person not using either Android or iOS in everyday life, so there is always going to be bias in som sense.
Anyways, Jerry from AndroidCentral is very good with reviews and I believe that if there was something fundementaly wrong with the tablet, he would mention it.
>And what would you like?
What I would like is not to have to take some dude's word (confession: my opinion of the typical blogger is not high.) I'm conversant enough with the tech to make my own assessment. What I would like are hard data (basically numbers and specs,) plus any insight from the reviewer's firsthand use. The reviewer's opinion matters as well, if I can accord it credibility. I don't need the "oh it's great you'll love it trust me" rah-rah crap.
Now, I understand that many people prefer the assurance of an "expert," which I suppose include your garden-variety blogger. Given my iconoclastic bent, I sadly must part with such security blankets.
>It is a good time to be an Android fan and Nexus 10 owner to support the tablet app ecosystem.
It would be a good time for fans if N10 turns out to be successful and engenders a flood of tab apps. We are all hoping for that. But that has yet to happen, so please excuse while I go sit on the eggs.
I realize I'm fated to be the eternal pessimist, but selling N10 retail at $499 isn't the best formula for said success, IMO. That said, please don't let this Neg Nancy spoil your joy.
Really, I hope N10 does well. Rah rah.
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>And what would you like?
What I would like is not to have to take some dude's word (confession: my opinion of the typical blogger is not high.) I'm conversant enough with the tech to make my own assessment. What I would like are hard data (basically numbers and specs,) plus any insight from the reviewer's firsthand use. The reviewer's opinion matters as well, if I can accord it credibility. I don't need the "oh it's great you'll love it trust me" rah-rah crap.
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And what criteria was the AC review missing for you?
Specs: Check.
Personal observations: Check
Personal insight: Check
Specifications on the N10 have been out for weeks, not much more to cover there, but he did include them for the sake of article completeness.
He made fairly astute observations about how it felt in the hand, how it struck him aesthetically, how the device performed, etc.
So his "review crime" was prefacing the article with enthusiasm? He's discredited because he liked the device? That's pretty valuable information in the "insight" category as far as I'm concerned. Sure, it's subjective, but all reviews that are more than regurgitating specs are when you get right down to it.
Windows 8, for example, in purely objective review format, is superior to Windows 7 in every category. But actually using it on a non-touchscreen device will quickly bring to light its weaknesses. However, you really only get that sort of information from either hands-on use or (wait for it) subjective reviews.
I like benchmarks as much as the next guy, and really appreciate sites like Anandtech that have a good methodology for testing. But, I don't buy ANYTHING based on a cold hard Anandtech-style review. Case in point, I don't own any Apple products.
>And what criteria was the AC review missing for you?
Nothing. There were no new insights gleaned--other than that the reviewer is a rabid Android fanboy. Most N10 aspects have already been revealed. The only unknowns remaining are left to the final build, which reportedly are being pushed out OTA as we speak. Hopefully, we'll get info for 4.2's multi-user acct and (possible) Miracast support tomorrow from reviewers.
>Specs: Check.
>Personal observations: Check
If only it were as simple as filling out a checklist, yes?
>Windows 8, for example, in purely objective review format, is superior to Windows 7 in every category.
There's little I can say here to one who has no clue what the word "objective" means. Perhaps you know what "oxymoron" means.
BTW, if Win8 were so awesome, Sinofsky wouldn't be packing his bag right now.
>I like benchmarks as much as the next guy
I don't, as benchmarks rarely matter outside of geek circles. But it's a piece of hard data, assuming proper methodology--which all too often is faulty. Anyway, there are many other important aspects not covered in the typical blog "review" (quotes intentional.) One good case in point is the universally rosy blog reviews of the Asus TF Prime, which turned out to be quite the opposite in real-world use.
>I don't buy ANYTHING based on a cold hard Anandtech-style review.
Anandtech has its pitfalls. Its forte is CPU architectures and traditional x86 desktop testing. Mobile devices and testing are outside of its core competency, and it shows. To wit: The Asus TF Prime was given a similar thumbs-up along with the rest of the blogging circuit. I've noted other lapses. Regardless, its reviews are usually detailed enough, benchmarks aside, that one doesn't have to lean so heavily on the reviewer's judgment. Per the homily: Show me, don't tell me.
In case it's not clear by now, it's more important to review the reviewer than the object being reviewed, because once you know the first, you know the second.
So now we are cherry-picking reviews?! This reminds me of a certain presidential candidate who decided he wasn't really behind, the polls just needed unskewing
And Anandtech rocks! Always has always will
If most of the reviews say its a nice device with so so viewing angles and average battery life then I'm inclined to believe them. And nobody will argue with the fact that that Android tablet App selection needs work compared to iOS.
That said, Apple is an arrogant ****e company and their saint Steve was a prick who never cared about anyone but himself so for me its an easy choice.
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More Good Reviews
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/nexus-10-tablet-is-a-solid-house-built-on-shifting-sands/
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That said, Apple is an arrogant ****e company and their saint Steve was a prick who never cared about anyone but himself so for me its an easy choice.
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"These products are crap because I don't like the guy who made the company"
How about coming up with a sensible reason,
e.g. "I don't want an iPad because I find iOS to be a bit stale, and I like to be able to tinker with my devices.
Pretty sure how a dead guy acted/ how a company acted wouldn't usually affect your product choices, so stop being silly about apple being apple and instead point out the flaws in the tech rather than the company.
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"These products are crap because I don't like the guy who made the company"
How about coming up with a sensible reason,
e.g. "I don't want an iPad because I find iOS to be a bit stale, and I like to be able to tinker with my devices.
Pretty sure how a dead guy acted/ how a company acted wouldn't usually affect your product choices, so stop being silly about apple being apple and instead point out the flaws in the tech rather than the company.
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Unlike silly fanboys I look objectively at the pros and cons of a product. I stated that the iPad was still a bit better tablet than the nexus and clearly listed why. If a company's policies, leadership and general attitude bother me then I don't want to buy their products, so it most definitely affects my product choices. I don't need any other reason than that. I'm soooo sorry if that's not sensible enough for you
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Please be courteous and tasteful in your responses to this thread. I only want to show support for our phone and spread the good word.
I'm pretty sickened by some of the reviewers on CNET for the Sprint Touch Pro (i'm sure they'll do it to the verizon version too). They're rating this phone half a star out of five just because they're in love with their iPhones. They clearly don't know a thing about Windows Mobile or Sprint and the bias is appalling. "This phone doesn't have 3g" & "Just another asian joke!!!!!!!!"" - quotes like these make me sick (don't judge me for calling these reviewers names, they asked for it and it's just my opinion). Apparently, they have no idea what EVDO rev A is and don't realize our phones had it before the iPhone even came out. It's also obvious these douche bags skewed the "has this review been useful" option that cnet has for their reviews. Before this phone started getting noticed by people outside of ppcgeeks/xda, the reviews on cnet were much more realistic. I know i shouldn't care, but it's obvious iPhone users are bitter for some reason. That being said, this means war. Touch Pro vs iPhone users (keep it classy guys).
Why do any of us rate any product on a website? To give an accurate review of the product we bought and tested, so that others can learn from our purchases. That way, those people can make a better decision on buying a product. This is what this thread is about. Take back the respect that HTC should be earning with this phone. If you disagree on making the reviews right, then you obviously don't get it. I'm not saying everyone should go out and give it 5 stars, but it should not be getting half a star by someone that's not even with sprint and doesn't know what evdo is. It's neat to own a unique piece of tech, but the higher the demand, the better our devices will get. If HTC devices were more popular, maybe we'd be sitting with a CDMA Touch Hd right now, instead of the Touch Pro. Who knows? Sprint may even stray from offering so many business phones, if they finally get the iPhone. Where will that leave us?
I say we band together and write positive reviews on CNET for this phone that we've come to love in a short time. It's obviously much better than our previous devices and shouldn't even come close to getting half a star! I mean, I love WM and don't like the iPhone, but i'd never give it a crappy rating like that. I ask that everyone who writes a review on cnet: to please, keep is clean and tasteful. We don't need to bash innocent iPhone users, we just need to give a true rating to silence these biased iPhoners. If you must, you could always just click "reply" on their review and tell them why you think they're just being biased (replies to reviews should be fair game because the original reviewers can defend themselves. Chances are they won't because they know it's a bs review in the first place).
Please go here and write a positive review, so people who aren't biased that are looking for a great business/customizable phone can rely on real feedback:
http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/htc-touch-pro-sprint/4852-6452_7-33248637.html?tag=rnav
UPDATE: We've managed to add about 50+ to the amount of positive reviews at cnet thanks to ppcgeeks and xda members. I think it's safe to say that we are silencing those irrational applehead reviews. Thank you.
PPCGeeks thread: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=44937
shame on them, the touch pro is by far the best windows mobile phone i've used to date. i'm going to write a review now.. thanks
I think your post worked.
I wouldn't worry too much.
It's obvious that all those iPhone users are so unhappy with their purchase that they're reading reviews on other products and already looking for an upgrade.
For those who has SERO, all you need to tell the iFone fanboys is: "BEAT THAT PRICE".
http://www.cnet.com/profile/phelony503/?tag=userReviews%3bsummaryList
THis phone would be my new wife lmao
HTC FTW
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http://www.cnet.com/profile/phelony503/?tag=userReviews%3bsummaryList
THis phone would be my new wife lmao
HTC FTW
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that's hilarious
It's a shame that they can only rate htc devices 3 and a half stars at most. This phone has improved in multiple ways over past phones, but it still is not getting credit. I'll spread the word though.
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It's a shame that they can only rate htc devices 3 and a half stars at most. This phone has improved in multiple ways over past phones, but it still is not getting credit. I'll spread the word though.
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been spreading the word for some time now on the touch pro. it simply outclasses the iphone by leaps and bounds. the only thing that the iphone has is screen size, but i like the smaller size of my touch pro.
the iphone looks like a face shield when someone is using it.
only thing im siappointed about is smart dial.
ive gone from the xv6800 to htc pro and loving it..
i am also extremely surprised on how well sprint is working out for me because the coverage is fantastic. i had sprint in nyc and it was flawless, in syracuse according to many it's a serious issue and that information has turned out to be false. the service in syracuse is fantastic.
they dont even mention the card scanner which in my opinion is an incredible and extremely useful function on this device
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been spreading the word for some time now on the touch pro. it simply outclasses the iphone by leaps and bounds. the only thing that the iphone has is screen size, but i like the smaller size of my touch pro.
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I love my Touch Pro but one thing that's missing is the organized and clever way apps are available on the iPhone...the app store is a solid centralized front for finding apps and updating them, something I feel is really lacking for WM (and POS) phones. Sure, we have freewarepocketpc and pocketgear and (barf) Handango, but how easy is it to access one of those sites quickly from your device and see if there are any updates to your installed programs?
Of course, the app store isn't a perfect idea but it's a level of organization that I wish WM had. There are some really neat apps for the iphone that I wish we had for ours
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they dont even mention the card scanner which in my opinion is an incredible and extremely useful function on this device
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exactly! it's supposed to be the best business phone sprint has to offer... that's something that's useful in the business world and also something they should have reviewed in their vid/article. It's not in the vid, but they mentioned it by name only in page 2 of their review... Definitely should have told people more about it instead of just name dropping it.
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I love my Touch Pro but one thing that's missing is the organized and clever way apps are available on the iPhone...the app store is a solid centralized front for finding apps and updating them, something I feel is really lacking for WM (and POS) phones. Sure, we have freewarepocketpc and pocketgear and (barf) Handango, but how easy is it to access one of those sites quickly from your device and see if there are any updates to your installed programs?
Of course, the app store isn't a perfect idea but it's a level of organization that I wish WM had. There are some really neat apps for the iphone that I wish we had for ours
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doesn't sprint have a store accessible by the default PIE homepage? It's not as great but who cares... we have developer sites like xda and ppcgeeks...we get a lot of our apps for free they aren't governed by microsoft. We can also install these app right out of the box, we don't have to jailbreak our phones. Apple has too much of a strongarm on their phone, it can't be used to its full potential... people have to wait around for official fixes if their phone is acting up. We also had orb long before iPhone got it, that tells you how hard it is to get an app out for them. Do they even have access to slingbox mobile yet?
It's a great phone and all, but I'll stick with wm and my touch pro... can't beat the customization and wm community. While our phones are decked out with different interfaces, if you look at people with iPhones, they all look the same... how boring.
they're not in the same league
the touch pro has a keyboard, iphone is a slim and dandy device.
touch pro has more memory (even in verizon's config), more resolution, and more carriers out there, thanks to windows mobile.
it may not be as hip and iconic as the iphone but imho htc makes some quality phones and windows mobile is pretty rockin.
The attitude I have been seeing on my daily marketing blogs and newsletter feeds is all about the iPhone does this or that, I even replied to a statement that the iPhone will be the only mobile that does cut-n-paste, when I replied, he told me I was wrong, that ours was a very limited C-P, odd I just used it an hour ago and it worked fine.
In fact here is the post at Silicon Alley Insider:
http://www.businessinsider.com/dont-buy-a-smartphone-until-june-2009-4
The folks backing the iPhones remind me of the old Mac/PC forum wars of years ago, mine is better then yours crap.
I only wish I could get a better battery life and Sprint covered my house better
That's the title of a review from the quite large news-station in Denmark
Link for danes:
http://ekstrabladet.dk/kup/elektronik/gadgets/article1667847.ece
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The reviewer says it's better than ipad in all ways.
EDIT: How can i get an infraction from beign racist, when i'm a dane?
It's like saying "**** all americans" when you are born and raised in america.
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That's the title of a review from the quite large news-station in Denmark
Link for danes:
http://ekstrabladet.dk/kup/elektronik/gadgets/article1667847.ece
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The reviewer says it's better than ipad in all ways.
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Well, to be honest, that sounds like the reviewer is a total Android fanboy in that case. Prime does not beat 'ipad in all ways'. Even the biggest fanboys in this forum would not say that Prime is better than an iPad is in every way.
It's actually more like a preview
So what do you think of Benny Feilhaber?
I would. Only people who haven't owned or owned for very long would say that. ios is crazy locked down. There isn't much to do other than play games. Its like a prison rec yard with razor wire and little Steve jobs guards with whistles..
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Android vs. iOS is like religion and politics - you just don't go there. I'd never buy an Apple product because I can't stand their Orwellian control over both the h/w and s/w. But, for people who like things simple and thought out for them, iOS is a safe bet. Also, look at the price of a used TF1 vs. an iPad1. Apple sells more iPads in a week than Asus is projecting for all of 2012. Whether you like Apple or not they've built up quite a little empire of loyal fans. I just bought my niece a 32GB iPad2 because Garage Band doesn't exist for Windows or Android. So there are examples of things you can do on iOS that you can't on other platforms.
Gaming: ipad 2
Office stuff: push
Personalization: Android
Quik learning curve: ios
Transitions to apps: ios
All of this might/ should change with tegra 3 and ICS coming out, but we dont know what ipad3 will bring either.
What i chose in those "catagories" might make you think i would be a Apple fanboy, but i put personalizatio/customization as 88% of my personal scoring. I own an ipad and ipad 2 and theyre great for my wife and 3yo. But i love my a500 and my asus when it gets here.
pizza and beer ...
Android on a tablet is damn near all anyone needs for their daily computer needs. I FULLY believe android is the future of computing. Hands down blowing the doors off of ios. Its laughable really....
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So what do you think of Benny Feilhaber?
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he plays in new england, and probably does ipad
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Gaming: ipad 2
Office stuff: push
Personalization: Android
Quik learning curve: ios
Transitions to apps: ios
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You forgot to mention:
OS Functionality: Android
iOS is essentially a glorified app launcher. Which fine as far as it goes, because iOS has lots of good apps. But I like being able to use my tablet without needing to launch apps, and there's quite a bit I can do with my Transformer right from the home screen (see recent emails, Tweets, Facebook updates, calendar events, tasks, etc., create Evernote notes, etc.).
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Quik learning curve: ios
Transitions to apps: ios
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By that standard, we should have never outgrown Megablocks or Tonka trucks. LOL
I like my widgets, and not a glorified shortcut screen.
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Gaming: ipad 2
Office stuff: push
Personalization: Android
Quik learning curve: ios
Transitions to apps: ios
All of this might/ should change with tegra 3 and ICS coming out, but we dont know what ipad3 will bring either.
What i chose in those "catagories" might make you think i would be a Apple fanboy, but i put personalizatio/customization as 88% of my personal scoring. I own an ipad and ipad 2 and theyre great for my wife and 3yo. But i love my a500 and my asus when it gets here.
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Not so sure about the gaming verdict there. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the iPad supports game controllers. Also it seems that I'm able to get a lot of the iTunes paid apps free in the Android Market.
Downloading from anywhere you want.......Android
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Funny how every thread here turns into an android vs ios discussion I think that just shows that both systems are very good and really competing. Best situation for us the users. They race each other with new features and lower prices and we profit!
Anyways it all comes down to personal preference. For me the Prime beats the iPad in all ways. But there are so many reasons why people get tablets and everyone is looking for something slightly different...
-There is the "i buy every apple product" guy
-There is the "i have all other products from apple so i buy my tablet from them as well" guy
-There's the "everything must be shiny and sparkling" guy (that obviously buys apple products)
-There's the "i would never buy an apple product" guy
-There's the "omg i love the keyboard dock idea on the prime" guy (me)
-There's the "i wont buy a tablet without full sized USB port somewhere" guy (me)
-There's the "i want to use my tablet for more than media consumption" guy (me)
-There's the "i dont want to jailbreak my device to be able to use it properly" guy (me)
and so on and on... I think in the end Apple will have about the same spot they have in the PC market now. Why? They've put those great ideas out there with the iphone and the ipad and no one else had any comparable products at the time. This situation is called "Monopoly". You get huge sales by that. Imagine there would be only one car manufactor...
But while other companies like ASUS improve this idea by adding new stuff, Apple somehow keeps to the original idea. So many gamers are screaming for a hardware control method. Apple says you have touchscreen its awesome. Having a keyboard dock and full sized ports is awesome but Apple says you have touchscreen and cloud thing - thats better. Etc.
i find that old people, women, and kids are more suited for ios. While its a "glorified shortcut screen" its all they really need. Oh yea, and non nerdy guys too.
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i find that old people, women, and kids are more suited for ios. While its a "glorified shortcut screen" its all they really need. Oh yea, and non nerdy guys too.
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I guess anyone who does not like/ want to spend time on customizing the OS would love the iOS experience. Similar to what happens with Mac vs. PC. You want to customize and be able to change everything that you could possibly think of but with the possibility of messing up your system, get a PC/Android. You want an out of box experience which is pretty much smooth while only safely letting you stay within the virtual walls the engineers developed, get an Apple.
Android tablets slowly chopping away iPad marketshare
Not sure if this is a correct place to post it, but I saw this article this morning
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/strategy-analytics-apple-still-owns-tablet-market-but-android/
According to numbers, Android is slowly eroding Apple's hold on tablet market. And I believe numbers do not show Transformer Prime yet. Wonder how long until we see the same thing here that happened with phone market, when Android overtook iPhone.
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Not sure if this is a correct place to post it, but I saw this article this morning
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/strategy-analytics-apple-still-owns-tablet-market-but-android/
According to numbers, Android is slowly eroding Apple's hold on tablet market. And I believe numbers do not show Transformer Prime yet. Wonder how long until we see the same thing here that happened with phone market, when Android overtook iPhone.
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iPhone hit back strongly last quarter though, impressive for one company to out-perform every other company out there put together. But yeah it is inevitable, Android will chip more of that market share away in upcoming years as long as companies produce great phones and tablets.
I cannot resist pointing out that quality control plays a huge role in it though. If Android phones and tablets become known for quality hardware and build wise as much as Android itself has become a very solid and stable operating system, this will happen quickly. But if the 'best Android tablet' launch, like that of TF201, is continuously full of problems in the future, then it's basically Android shooting itself in the foot.
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iPhone hit back strongly last quarter though, impressive for one company to out-perform every other company out there put together. But yeah it is inevitable, Android will chip more of that market share away in upcoming years as long as companies produce great phones and tablets.
I cannot resist pointing out that quality control plays a huge role in it though. If Android phones and tablets become known for quality hardware and build wise as much as Android itself has become a very solid and stable operating system, this will happen quickly. But if the 'best Android tablet' launch, like that of TF201, is continuously full of problems in the future, then it's basically Android shooting itself in the foot.
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Excellent points. I totally agree.
So we read blogs/articles/magazines/web sites that absolutely rave about the Transformer Prime and have nothing negative to say then we get real world users that do nothing but complain about everything you could possibly think of so the question is.
A.) Did the company's that reviews these get a souped up turbo charged version of the Prime and everyone else got a dumbed down inferior version?
B.) Are the tech company's and magazine publishers lieing to us
C.) Are the real world forum reviews on XDA anal retentive and will complain about anything and everything regardless of what the product is.
Do we have a gray area here in between any of the above 3 scenarios? Something just does not make sense here.
I choose C
I take the the 50:50 joker!
Hm hard to answer, heavy question...maybe all of them?^^
A) That's ridiculous. Reviewers got units with bad WiFi. So they're certainly not better than what people are buying off the streets. Also, the media would go nuts if they ever found out manufacturers were sending them shill units just to get better results.
B) Reviewers are people too and all have their own biases. There may be a positive or negative slant to a review based on those biases but I'd guess they're 80-90% objective. If they always bias their reviews, people would stop reading them.
C) There are three different types of XDA'rs. 1) Unilateral fanboys that can see no wrong even though it's clear something’s amiss. There were people denying the SGS1 had GPS issues when it was totally clear they all did. 2) Pessimists that always look for the negative and amplify it without basis. Some of them may not even own the device. 3) Normal people who just want to share info, have no motive in their comments, and don't need self-validation though forum exchanges. They are usually attacked by the fanboys and pessimists for not having a stronger position either way.
There's clearly some common issues with the early Prime's and the fanboys are out in force denying them while the pessimists are making them larger then they need to be. Look for posts from normal people and use your own judgement in forming an opinion on any particular issue.
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A) That's ridiculous. Reviewers got units with bad WiFi. So they're certainly not better than what people are buying off the streets. Also, the media would go nuts if they ever found out manufacturers were sending them shill units just to get better results.
B) Reviewers are people too and all have their own biases. There may be a positive or negative slant to a review based on those biases but I'd guess they're 80-90% objective. If they always bias their reviews, people would stop reading them.
C) There are three different types of XDA'rs. 1) Unilateral fanboys that can see no wrong even though it's clear something’s amiss. There were people denying the SGS1 had GPS issues when it was totally clear they all did. 2) Pessimists that always look for the negative and amplify it without basis. Some of them may not even own the device. 3) Normal people who just want to share info, have no motive in their comments, and don't need self-validation though forum exchanges. They are usually attacked by the fanboys and pessimists for not having a stronger position either way.
There's clearly some common issues with the early Prime's and the fanboys are out in force denying them while the pessimists are making them larger then they need to be. Look for posts from normal people and use your own judgement in forming an opinion on any particular issue.
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Lets just use one example the magazines and blogs that reviewed the prime said the speed and browsing was blazing fast everyone on here says its slow and choppy and not even on par with the iPad 2 so how did we get such a difference of opinion on this perticular topic?
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Lets just use one example the magazines and blogs that reviewed the prime said the speed and browsing was blazing fast everyone on here says its slow and choppy and not even on par with the iPad 2 so how did we get such a difference of opinion on this perticular topic?
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Some reviews are very thorough. AnandTech is one of those. Typically, a reviewer spends between a couple of days and a week with a device. Reviewers of the Prime actually commented on how little time they got to spend with it before writing their reviews.
Using a device casually with few apps on it is going to get a different result then loading it up with stuff that the reviewer uses on their own personal device and then using it as a daily driver. Out of the box, even Teg2 devices perform well. A lot of the reviewers really didn't put the Prime through its paces. Look for the reviewers that did, like AnandTech and GSMArena.
The SoC is just one part of the performance equation. For the Prime, the bottleneck looks to be s/w in some cases. I think that's what's happening in your example. And ICS is going to be a big improvement for GB users but it's foundation is actually HC. There are just some things we're going to have to live with in Android and some lag and hesitation in certain functions seems to be one of them. Maybe through s/w optimization and updates Asus (or any manufacturer) may make it better but it seems to be a fact of life. There was a great article from a Google engineer explaining the lag that I'll try to find. It helps understand the difference between iOS and Android.
you saw how anandtech got a hand picked unit to test. if i were a company id send out the best units to reviewers
what is this nonsense, i see a whole crap load of positive posts about the asus.
the negative ones are mostly people who have simple issues that most tablets come with.
I think as somebody has posted elsewhere - there are probably MANY people at home loving their primes and not bothering to mention it on here whilst people having issues will want to find others with those issues, generally ***** and moan, etc. It's a biased cohort on here for sure.
I tend to believe that a lot of the reviewers give positive raves because they get their crap for free! It's totally different for someone who pays $500.00 for it. Of course we expect more because we paid for top notch!
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I tend to believe that a lot of the reviewers give positive raves because they get their crap for free! It's totally different for someone who pays $500.00 for it. Of course we expect more because we paid for top notch!
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They don't keep em. They have to send it back.
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C. except maybe the gps, which isnt working for many (includingthe 3 I've tried personally).
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there are probably MANY people at home loving their primes
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the negative ones are mostly people who have simple issues that most tablets come with.
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There aren't that many Primes out there. The number of issues being reported from a small sample set and the commonality is something to watch. It's too early to say whether they're just early production teething issues, random QC issues, or a design/manufacturing issue. Not all the people reporting problems are alarmists and say positive things along with the negative.
I love this device and have had a few issues with it as well. It's worrisome that the GPS doesn't work and I have had some browser typing lag and a few other minor issues. The reason you hear so much about the negative stuff is that no one is gathering together to talk about what they should do about their tablet being so fast and smooth.
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Good thing they'll be only coming out in January in my country. They'll come with QWERTZ keyboard so its probably a different batch.
I think its pretty clear they rushed some things especially in the software department to get it out in time for USA launch. Seems to me like the software is just a port from the original transformer with some added tweaks. Every IT device i owned had some problems at first. If I compare the performance of my DesireHD with custom rom and everything to how it was when i first bought it a year ago... OMG about every aspect of the device is better now. And that only through software tweaks.
I think it's all about the big rush to get the review out ASAP. Like somebody else said, they don't put 100 apps on it and use it constantly to figure out that a little glitch that happened that time is actually a bug that happens consistently when you do certain things. Like the diff between motor trend doing initial impressions on a car review vs long term reviews a year later.
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Some reviews are very thorough. AnandTech is one of those. Typically, a reviewer spends between a couple of days and a week with a device. Reviewers of the Prime actually commented on how little time they got to spend with it before writing their reviews.
Using a device casually with few apps on it is going to get a different result then loading it up with stuff that the reviewer uses on their own personal device and then using it as a daily driver. Out of the box, even Teg2 devices perform well. A lot of the reviewers really didn't put the Prime through its paces. Look for the reviewers that did, like AnandTech and GSMArena.
The SoC is just one part of the performance equation. For the Prime, the bottleneck looks to be s/w in some cases. I think that's what's happening in your example. And ICS is going to be a big improvement for GB users but it's foundation is actually HC. There are just some things we're going to have to live with in Android and some lag and hesitation in certain functions seems to be one of them. Maybe through s/w optimization and updates Asus (or any manufacturer) may make it better but it seems to be a fact of life. There was a great article from a Google engineer explaining the lag that I'll try to find. It helps understand the difference between iOS and Android.
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Just throwing my two-cents out there but I thought ICS was based on the linux 3.x series kernel and HC was on a 2.6 derivative... That alone makes me feel like ICS is more groud-up built OS as opposed to an OS derived directly from HC. Think revolution, not evolution. Or am I wrong or just blowing this out of proportion?
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Just throwing my two-cents out there but I thought ICS was based on the linux 3.x series kernel and HC was on a 2.6 derivative... That alone makes me feel like ICS is more groud-up built OS as opposed to an OS derived directly from HC. Think revolution, not evolution. Or am I wrong or just blowing this out of proportion?
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Here's some links. There's a bunch of new APIs for developers to write against but, other than that, the only technical benefit to ICS is h/w acceleration. That already exists in HC. It seems that a lot of stuff the manufacturers added-on are now included natively in the OS. So it seems like a "revolution" for GB but "evolution" for HC. Any developers with more insight chime in.
ICS Features:
http://briefmobile.com/android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich-announced-feature-list
ICS Developers Discussion:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/search/label/Android 4.0
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http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/03/android-30-hardware-acceleration.html
Downloaded thumb keyboard. Seems like the best keyboard for tablets. No lag when typing.
I think the consumers will be harsh on the prime because we had to wait for it and there was much hype about the prime. The reviewers from websites didn't spent their hard earned dollars on this piece of equipment.
The way I see it, we have every right to be harsh on judging the prime. We expected something that works. If there were kinks in the software, fine. But seems like we have some real concerns about this device that aren't just kinks.
Hopefully ASUS actually reading these feedbacks and are going to address our concerns soon.
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I dont own a prime but this situation reminds me a lot of when the galaxy s first came out. The reviews were overwelmingly positive but once i got my device it turned out to be nothing like the reviews. It took months and an actual hardware revision before it worked ok.
Never trust early reviews and avoid being an early adopter. I want to see how it performs on ics before buying.
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So I came across this video and felt the need to share it. The real kicker is at 0:53 to 1:00. Basically, the guys says, and I quote, "...you can even add an extra row of apps on the bottom of the home screen. It's a real improvement."
They've done this for the past 2 years now. Adding an extra row of apps is now considered a major improvement?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFCLYDwsjOA
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So I came across this video and felt the need to share it. The real kicker is at 0:53 to 1:00. Basically, the guys says, and I quote, "...you can even add an extra row of apps on the bottom of the home screen. It's a real improvement."
They've done this for the past 2 years now. Adding an extra row of apps is now considered a major improvement?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFCLYDwsjOA
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It is when your brand new phone is compared to phones from 2012. Just like they say that Apple has introduced a "fresh new idea" to the phone market by creating a phablet phone,
wow i watched that video and i don't know why, the title of this post sucked me in. who the hell is that milk-toast? i guess they let anyone in front of the camera these days. funny how everything they vehemently criticized other OEMs for is suddenly okay, now that apple has made the "best large screen phone". large phones need to get thinner so you can hold them comfortably in your hand? yeah that makes perfect sense considering the basic anatomy of our hand and the concavity of our palms. douche.
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wow i watched that video and i don't know why, the title of this post sucked me in. who the hell is that milk-toast? i guess they let anyone in front of the camera these days. funny how everything they vehemently criticized other OEMs for is suddenly okay, now that apple has made the "best large screen phone". large phones need to get thinner so you can hold them comfortably in your hand? yeah that makes perfect sense considering the basic anatomy of our hand and the concavity of our palms. douche.
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lol that's a new one. Milk-toast. I think I'm going to start using that. :good:
Thank you for this. I was having a bad day, it has been slightly brightened by my laughter Thanks!
Sh*t like this just infuriates me. It's not that I'm an Android fanboy or anything like that, I just don't like false advertising. Their marketing (this counts as Apple marketing due to them only supplying reviewers with units in advance upon agreeing to give a glowing review) is just blatant lying. To claim "The best large screen made" is absolute sh*t.
There are some of us that look at devices and actually pay attention to the fact that Apple's "Retina HD" display on the 6 is a "4.7-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit widescreen Multi‑Touch display with IPS technology, (1334 x750) at 326 ppi with a 1400:1 contrast ratio". First, let's negate a lot of the bullsh*t Apple includes in their descriptions. Everyone has Multi-Touch. IPS screens REQUIRE backlight. It's a limitation of the technology. They also consume more power. The draw to making them is that they're cheap to produce. That makes sense (and cents). This is one of the biggest reasons that the cost-per-phone production price of the iPhone 5s ($199) is LOWER than the cost of the Samsung Galaxy S4 ($237).
By comparison, the S5 has a 5.1” FHD Super AMOLED (1920 x 1080) at 432 ppi with an INFINITE contrast ratio. SAMOLED screens are more expensive to produce but do not require a backlight, are much slimmer, require MUCH less power, and reflect less light - making them easier to read outdoors.
I'm a gadget guy. I look at the pros and cons of a lot of devices to pick which one is generally the best. No well informed consumer would buy an inferior product that costs more. It makes no sense at all. It does seem like I hate on Apple. I just don't agree with blatantly lying to sell a product. Even worse, I can't stand the general attitude of Apple as a company in stating that they make superior products when they absolutely know they don't. This trickles down to their consumers, who are much less informed, that tout how they have the greatest thing out there. Sure, if you'd like to believe that, fine. However, I don't mind telling you that you're wrong.
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I'm a gadget guy. I look at the pros and cons of a lot of devices to pick which one is generally the best. No well informed consumer would buy an inferior product that costs more. It makes no sense at all. It does seem like I hate on Apple. I just don't agree with blatantly lying to sell a product. Even worse, I can't stand the general attitude of Apple as a company in stating that they make superior products when they absolutely know they don't. This trickles down to their consumers, who are much less informed, that tout how they have the greatest thing out there. Sure, if you'd like to believe that, fine. However, I don't mind telling you that you're wrong.
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Bingo. But every company blatantly lies. It's just how much they can get away with. And apple seems to be getting away with quite a lot.
I found a few things interesting about the video.
1. They used a dorky guy to review the iPhone. Typically, the clientele for iPhone are people who *think* they are snazzy, hip, cool, and have things that everyone else wants - someone not very fruity. They used someone that an iPhoner would describe as an Android user.
2. This guy seriously thinks that one of the main/only reasons people chose Android was the screen size. Hardly.
Love this
That video accurately portrays literally every iPhone user out there. completely gullible fools. It's like... WOW.. Apple finally made the Nexus 4. lol !! And who remembers when the note 3 came out and every Apple fanboy laughed and made memes about how large the "phone" was ?? Well...Apparently the overall height of the iPhone 6 Plus is TALLER than the note 3..lol. classic. Buy hey... At least they get another row of buttons.
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I will never own a Apple device. I like to be able to customize my device. And with Apple you can't customize crap. They are locked in every way. Why would any one want something like that?
The first comprehensive review
Slashgear
https://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review-05498280/
The Verge
https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/5/16253308/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review
Engadget
https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/05/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review/
Android Authority
http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review-795053/
Android Central review
https://www.androidcentral.com/sams...feature&utm_campaign=navigation&utm_source=ac
Android Police
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/0...w-overpriced-s8-pen-still-pretty-great-phone/
i notice biggest disagreement with all current reviews is the battery, some say its charge lasts too short, some say its about right right and some praise it. I suspect results will also differ based on CPU.
My favourite so far MrMobile [Michael Fisher]
What's with all the reviews saying this phone is a tough sell or hard to recommend? It seriously must be from people who don't use the S-pen often. It's what makes this phone phenomenal. It's not a toss in. It's irreplaceable.
They also seem to say you shouldn't need to upgrade from your S8+... No kidding, this isn't for those people (generally).
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What's with all the reviews saying this phone is a tough sell or hard to recommend? It seriously must be from people who don't use the S-pen often. It's what makes this phone phenomenal. It's not a toss in. It's irreplaceable.
They also seem to say you shouldn't need to upgrade from your S8+... No kidding, this isn't for those people (generally).
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It's basically the price. $900+ is new territory for a non-niche smartphone that reviewers are simply having a difficult time recommending people spend that much money without some mind blowing feature like a front fingerprint sensor embedded onto the screen or the first next gen processor of the year or a battery that gives 5000 mAH while remaining the same size or free wireless earbuds or a phone that will make you scrambled eggs and toast in the morning. Unfortunately, when the next iPhone rolls around for $1000+, those same reviewers will sing praises because it has new mind-blowing features like a bezel-less screen and all-glass construction and wireless charging.
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It's basically the price. $900+ is new territory for a non-niche smartphone that reviewers are simply having a difficult time recommending people spend that much money without some mind blowing feature like a front fingerprint sensor embedded onto the screen or the first next gen processor of the year or a battery that gives 5000 mAH while remaining the same size or free wireless earbuds or a phone that will make you scrambled eggs and toast in the morning. Unfortunately, when the next iPhone rolls around for $1000+, those same reviewers will sing praises because it has new mind-blowing features like a bezel-less screen and all-glass construction and wireless charging.
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Haha, agreed on that last part. It'll be sickening.
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What's with all the reviews saying this phone is a tough sell or hard to recommend? It seriously must be from people who don't use the S-pen often. It's what makes this phone phenomenal. It's not a toss in. It's irreplaceable.
They also seem to say you shouldn't need to upgrade from your S8+... No kidding, this isn't for those people (generally).
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If the differences between the S8+ and the Note 8 were the same as the differences between "Current iPhone" and "Upcoming iPhone", the tech media would call it "game changing" and "revolutionary". If an Android handset does try to do something different, like the secondary screen on the V10, the tech media calls it a gimmick. Tech journos would lick the sweat off of Tim Cooks balls and tell everyone it was a lovely unwooded Chardonnay with hints of citrus fruit.
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Unfortunately, when the next iPhone rolls around for $1000+, those same reviewers will sing praises because it has new mind-blowing features like a bezel-less screen and all-glass construction and wireless charging.
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They be slinging shills to pay da bills.
Besides Erica Griffin very few reviewers understand the demographic that use the Note series
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Besides Erica Griffin very few reviewers understand the demographic that use the Note series
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I'll be interested to see her review on the Note 8 as, like you said, she seems to understand the fan-base that will be buying this phone.
Probably best to use this thread to add all reviews to it now. This is my review after 1 Week, with some tips and camera showcase. I had been using iPhone 7 Plus for a whole year as my main phone.
https://gavinsgadgets.com/2017/09/21/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review-1-week-later-camera-showcase/
PsiPhiDan said:
What's with all the reviews saying this phone is a tough sell or hard to recommend? It seriously must be from people who don't use the S-pen often. It's what makes this phone phenomenal. It's not a toss in. It's irreplaceable.
They also seem to say you shouldn't need to upgrade from your S8+... No kidding, this isn't for those people (generally).
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You are banging your head against a brick wall.
So few people understand the purpose of the Note range. They compare the Note 8 with the SGS8+ etc etc. Makes me wonder how such people can call themselves technical reviewers? I have seen this with EVERY Note released.
So few seem to understand the Note is not for everyone, it fills a clearly defined niche. There is the Galaxy 8 RANGE of mobiles and they are non comparable. The 8 is aimed at the majority who desire a top flag ship mobile. The 8+ is for those who want extra size and what we now call a 'phablet'. The Note 8 is exactly what it says, its mobile aimed at those who USE the bloody S-pen!
If you only new how puzzled I get when I read a post here or see a review where the poster says he has bought the Note but never uses the S-pen and then goes on to criticise the device?? I simply dont get it.
WHO WHO WHO goes to buy a car, lets say a Merc' E series, and compares the coupe with the saloon and the cabriolet? Who are these people? Three different cars to suit three different customers, with three different needs.
Like I have written previously, it's a shame the Note 8 has a greater IQ than 'some' of its critics.
However.............
Ryland :highfive:
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The first comprehensive review
Slashgear
https://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review-05498280/
The Verge
https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/5/16253308/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review
Engadget
https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/05/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review/
Android Authority
http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-note-8-review-795053/
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Thanks for the post, must have taken you some time to arrange this for us. :good:
My comment is NOT aimed at you.
What qualifies a Youtube poster as "Professional" ? If one means salaried that's fine. I fear when most people read the term 'professional' they automatically think of a person with professional training and qualifications like an engineer etc.
In reality I suspect the vast majority of those who write or post review-clips are enthusiast's like us or just amateur's at best trying to earn a living?
A real professional review, and they are rare, will not pass an opinion only lay down the scientific facts for us to make our own conclusion, they are objective.
Far too often such 'so called reviews' are highly subjective and some are even based on financial rewards thus making them totally subjective and biased.
The problem is today anyone of us can open a Youtube account and post what clips we like. Must be very difficult for the novice buyer in today's market not knowing what to read-view or what is creditable and non creditable.
I am rather thankful I have been purchasing such devices since the late 1980's so have some knowledge and experience of what to look for. Its a mine field.
Ryland :good:
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You are banging your head against a brick wall.
So few people understand the purpose of the Note range. They compare the Note 8 with the SGS8+ etc etc. Makes me wonder how such people can call themselves technical reviewers? I have seen this with EVERY Note released.
So few seem to understand the Note is not for everyone, it fills a clearly defined niche. There is the Galaxy 8 RANGE of mobiles and they are non comparable. The 8 is aimed at the majority who desire a top flag ship mobile. The 8+ is for those who want extra size and what we now call a 'phablet'. The Note 8 is exactly what it says, its mobile aimed at those who USE the bloody S-pen!
If you only new how puzzled I get when I read a post here or see a review where the poster says he has bought the Note but never uses the S-pen and then goes on to criticise the device?? I simply dont get it.
WHO WHO WHO goes to buy a car, lets say a Merc' E series, and compares the coupe with the saloon and the cabriolet? Who are these people? Three different cars to suit three different customers, with three different needs.
Like I have written previously, it's a shame the Note 8 has a greater IQ than 'some' of its critics.
However.............
Ryland :highfive:
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Thanks for the post, must have taken you some time to arrange this for us. :good:
My comment is NOT aimed at you.
What qualifies a Youtube poster as "Professional" ? If one means salaried that's fine. I fear when most people read the term 'professional' they automatically think of a person with professional training and qualifications like an engineer etc.
In reality I suspect the vast majority of those who write or post review-clips are enthusiast's like us or just amateur's at best trying to earn a living?
A real professional review, and they are rare, will not pass an opinion only lay down the scientific facts for us to make our own conclusion, they are objective.
Far too often such 'so called reviews' are highly subjective and some are even based on financial rewards thus making them totally subjective and biased.
The problem is today anyone of us can open a Youtube account and post what clips we like. Must be very difficult for the novice buyer in today's market not knowing what to read-view or what is creditable and non creditable.
I am rather thankful I have been purchasing such devices since the late 1980's so have some knowledge and experience of what to look for. Its a mine field.
Ryland :good:
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I agree many reviews are mainly subjective.
Few reviewers understand note taking and the cognitive benefits of writing information down as opposed to typing. This is why the reMarkable product has had so much backing from early adopters as there are few good tablet based pen solutions. The reviews I linked to are where there is an online tech magazine or blog that also has a YouTube channel. This is why I entitled it as "professional" as there are many reviewers that don't the time or resources to undertake a quality review. Also if you read the comment section for the YouTube reviews you'll see people do point out that not many reviewers understand the utility of the S Pen.
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You are banging your head against a brick wall.
So few people understand the purpose of the Note range. They compare the Note 8 with the SGS8+ etc etc. Makes me wonder how such people can call themselves technical reviewers? I have seen this with EVERY Note released.
So few seem to understand the Note is not for everyone, it fills a clearly defined niche. There is the Galaxy 8 RANGE of mobiles and they are non comparable. The 8 is aimed at the majority who desire a top flag ship mobile. The 8+ is for those who want extra size and what we now call a 'phablet'. The Note 8 is exactly what it says, its mobile aimed at those who USE the bloody S-pen!
If you only new how puzzled I get when I read a post here or see a review where the poster says he has bought the Note but never uses the S-pen and then goes on to criticise the device?? I simply dont get it.
WHO WHO WHO goes to buy a car, lets say a Merc' E series, and compares the coupe with the saloon and the cabriolet? Who are these people? Three different cars to suit three different customers, with three different needs.
Like I have written previously, it's a shame the Note 8 has a greater IQ than 'some' of its critics.
However.............
Ryland :highfive:
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Thanks for the post, must have taken you some time to arrange this for us. :good:
My comment is NOT aimed at you.
What qualifies a Youtube poster as "Professional" ? If one means salaried that's fine. I fear when most people read the term 'professional' they automatically think of a person with professional training and qualifications like an engineer etc.
In reality I suspect the vast majority of those who write or post review-clips are enthusiast's like us or just amateur's at best trying to earn a living?
A real professional review, and they are rare, will not pass an opinion only lay down the scientific facts for us to make our own conclusion, they are objective.
Far too often such 'so called reviews' are highly subjective and some are even based on financial rewards thus making them totally subjective and biased.
The problem is today anyone of us can open a Youtube account and post what clips we like. Must be very difficult for the novice buyer in today's market not knowing what to read-view or what is creditable and non creditable.
I am rather thankful I have been purchasing such devices since the late 1980's so have some knowledge and experience of what to look for. Its a mine field.
Ryland :good:
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Flossy Carter is where it's at. He knows and understands the Note series. Every watched his 50 minute review on this phone? It's amazing. And hilarious.
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Flossy Carter is where it's at. He knows and understands the Note series. Every watched his 50 minute review on this phone? It's amazing. And hilarious.
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RAH lol. I enjoy seeing him be so gentle with his moggy. Sort of a gentle giant.
Ryland