Hello, this is my first post in the Samsung section, i just sold my xperia sp, because it gave me a lot of head ache, always freezing and lagging, scrolling is laggy too, not always, but 70% of the time, specially when multitasking, and what i mean by multitasking is just every day usage stuff,
switching between messenger and facebook is really pain in the ass, very slow and laggy, scrolling on Facebook is very laggy most of the time and i have to re-install the app every few days to prevent it from being laggy again
when i first enable wifi or mobile date, the phone will freeze for 5 seconds, because it couldn't handle all the received notifications at the same time and i have to wait at least 15 seconds for the phone to settle
apps force closing on me, home icons disappearing, and sometimes i get a blank empty app drawer ... and many other horrible things this phone did to torture me
so my question is, will i face the same fate if i get a galaxy s3 ? i am mainly interested in the lte variant with 2gb of ram !! because i already know that the international variant is as slow as my sp , perhaps a little better .
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I think you should go for a newer device, even the lte variant is almost 3 years old.Check the htc one or LG g2, never ever ever Samsung again, but this is my opinion.
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I think you should go for a newer device, even the lte variant is almost 3 years old.Check the htc one or LG g2, never ever ever Samsung again, but this is my opinion.
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thanks, actually i am hesitating to buy i9305 from a friend , but i am afraid it is very laggy like the 9300
what i want to know, how is performance for the 9305
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thanks, actually i am hesitating to buy i9305 from a friend , but i am afraid it is very laggy like the 9300
what i want to know, how is performance for the 9305
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Xperia sp is not a bad phone, it has 1.7ghz dual core krait by qualcomm. I'm wondering for a user who can make a thread on xda, why can't you handle your lag problem? Maybe with installing an aosp rom, or add some tweaks, or etc
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Xperia sp is not a bad phone, it has 1.7ghz dual core krait by qualcomm. I'm wondering for a user who can make a thread on xda, why can't you handle your lag problem? Maybe with installing an aosp rom, or add some tweaks, or etc
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you will not understand what i mean only after you use one , xperia sp is the slowest phone ever made, it's kernel and software are not optimized at all, the phone on paper is very nice, but in real life, it's a nightmare to use.
it tends to freeze and lag on the slightest tasks, like getting notifications and message from facebook, scrolling in messenger and facebook gets very very sluggish because of very bad software and very bad ram management, almost every time you use youtube , or facebook, when you press the home button, the home icons disappear for few seconds, also, in the morning, or after few hours with data/wifi off, when you turn one of them on, the phone will freeze for 10 seconds, and keep acting slow for other 10 seconds, bcuz it couldn'tt handle one messagee and two facebook or update norification..
the only thing that works nice on this phone is video games( adreno 320+720p) but it's useless most of the time in heavy games, asphalt 8 and modern combat5, rr3 always start to lag then crash to home beceause ram gets very low ( bad ram management ?)
tried all official available roms, trie all available custum roms, the phone still slow, but sightley better with lilttle more free ram
the only occasion where the phone is smooth is when wifi/data off, n o background apps, and exploring the menu , also after factory reset, but gets bogged down as soon as you install few social apps that always like to stay in background...
i hope you don't get xperia sp
i tried all tweaks, they don't help much..
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you will not understand what i mean only after you use one , xperia sp is the slowest phone ever made, it's kernel and software are not optimized at all, the phone on paper is very nice, but in real life, it's a nightmare to use.
it tends to freeze and lag on the slightest tasks, like getting notifications and message from facebook, scrolling in messenger and facebook gets very very sluggish because of very bad software and very bad ram management, almost every time you use youtube , or facebook, when you press the home button, the home icons disappear for few seconds, also, in the morning, or after few hours with data/wifi off, when you turn one of them on, the phone will freeze for 10 seconds, and keep acting slow for other 10 seconds, bcuz it couldn'tt handle one messagee and two facebook or update norification..
the only thing that works nice on this phone is video games( adreno 320+720p) but it's useless most of the time in heavy games, asphalt 8 and modern combat5, rr3 always start to lag then crash to home beceause ram gets very low ( bad ram management ?)
tried all official available roms, trie all available custum roms, the phone still slow, but sightley better with lilttle more free ram
the only occasion where the phone is smooth is when wifi/data off, n o background apps, and exploring the menu , also after factory reset, but gets bogged down as soon as you install few social apps that always like to stay in background...
i hope you don't get xperia sp
i tried all tweaks, they don't help much..
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Wew i don't know if it was that bad. I've tried Xperia L and i'm pretty satisfied with it's performance, but unfortunately it has a very bad screen quality. You can't use 2 fingers at the same time on it, nice phone but destroyed by ****ty screen LOL
Btw, how if xsp was compared to xl? I only can imagine xsp's performance with that way
i tried xperia s, sp, ion, and all of lag very bad after few weeks from a fresh install , even after fresh install, you can see it freeze when installing apps specially, or receiving notifications. all are the same ****. only sony phone i used that doesn't lag is xperia z1
no matter what it won't bog down, but it has ghost screen that sony won't fix, replaced the phone 3 times, and always i end up with the same ghost typing my screen when the phone heats up, so i sold it yesterday. now i think it's not worth paying much money for expensive phone, samsung s3 has nice screen, i am interrested in the i9305, my brother had the 9300 it was laggy too
so if you have 9305,, i ask if it lag or no, very simple question
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Wew i don't know if it was that bad. I've tried Xperia L and i'm pretty satisfied with it's performance, but unfortunately it has a very bad screen quality. You can't use 2 fingers at the same time on it, nice phone but destroyed by ****ty screen LOL
Btw, how if xsp was compared to xl? I only can imagine xsp's performance with that way
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i tried xperia s, sp, ion, and all of lag very bad after few weeks from a fresh install , even after fresh install, you can see it freeze when installing apps specially, or receiving notifications. all are the same ****. only sony phone i used that doesn't lag is xperia z1
no matter what it won't bog down, but it has ghost screen that sony won't fix, replaced the phone 3 times, and always i end up with the same ghost typing my screen when the phone heats up, so i sold it yesterday. now i think it's not worth paying much money for expensive phone, samsung s3 has nice screen, i am interrested in the i9305, my brother had the 9300 it was laggy too
so if you have 9305,, i ask if it lag or no, very simple question
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Ive owned both, and I have to say the lte variant is a cracking phone! Best hardware in its time. Vs the moto g 2014 which can be picked up for around the same priced (although s3 lte will be used or refurbished to be as cheap) its great. The extra ram is the key here, thats why the sp (which I also have owned) sucks hard, as does the standard s3 on stock, although it was pretty good on cm11
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i had a sgs but just broke it with water dmg 2 months ago was great aside from battery life and gps and of course that horrible lag
tried many mods darky , doc , miui ... etc with different lagfix , kernel ext3 . ext4 .. etc but still the device lags alot , the best was miui glitch minimum lag but still the lag is there
i used nexus one with 2.3 and even HD2 with 2.2 and compared them to my phone ... loading games i load them like 1.5~2 x faster than both but while in menu , exiting apps , switching between apps and opining apps both devices do these things much faster and they dont lag at all while mine lags in everything and the same issue with my other friend sgs while sgs2 shows that its faster than both phones
now i want to buy a new phone and thinking about the sgs2 but i dont want to fall in the same mistake and end up with a laggy phone
so what do u think of sgs2 , does it lag much ? or it doesnt lag at all? does it have any lag issue ?
i want you to tell me honestly and excuse my poor English
PS : I 'm not comparing them to how IOS is , i know how fast is iOS but i'm not looking to buy any IPHONE cus i want an android
The word 'Lag' is a relative one. If you are coming from those devices then you won't notice any, but iPhone users have some trouble getting in, iOS is silky smooth, can't say the exact same for Android.
Remember, I am not a fan of either.
Regards.
Every piece of hardware in the world will have software lag on it occassionaly, at least. My experience is that this blows all over my HD2 with every ROM I had on there, and I tried a LOT of different builds on that.
Seriously, if you've had a HD2 running Android faster than your SGS2 then there's either some bad software involved or you've got a faulty device. The difference is more than obvious.
what i meant with lag that the phone get stuck and wont accept commands
i have been android user the for more than a year now , never bought any iphone
but compairing my sgs to hd2 and nexus 1 its the laggiest no mater what u do with it
nexus 1 and hd 2 were very smooth and dont lag when installing more than one up
my sgs lags while downloading a single up and nearly freeze while installing it , cant even brows contact smoothly while installing an app unlike hd2 and nexus 1
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Every piece of hardware in the world will have software lag on it occassionaly, at least. My experience is that this blows all over my HD2 with every ROM I had on there, and I tried a LOT of different builds on that.
Seriously, if you've had a HD2 running Android faster than your SGS2 then there's either some bad software involved or you've got a faulty device. The difference is more than obvious.
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talking about hd2 vs sgs 1 not 2
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talking about hd2 vs sgs 1 not 2
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So you're actually saying that a HD2 running Android is faster than the SGS, but not faster than the SGS2?
Edit: Sorry, I just reread your first post. I see what you're saying now. So basically, you've not got the SGS2, but you've had the SGS and wonder if it's that much better? In that case, I'm out, since I've never even played with the original SGS. All I can say is the the SGS2 is faster and smoother than anything I ever had running on my HD2, and I generally stuck to Nexus builds because I prefer the original stock Android experience.
Coming from an iPhone, I would say the S2 is on par as far as homescreen "lag" goes. As for not accepting commands, the only time I have had this happen is if I lock the phone using setCPU . Other than that, the phone is FAST. I don't notice any lag at all, and most apps launch just about instantly.
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So you're actually saying that a HD2 running Android is faster than the SGS, but not faster than the SGS2?
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i dont have a sgs2 and thats why i'm asking about it before i buy it
and i did compare my sgs1 2.3 darky 10 ext4 wiped to my friends hd2 2.2 mine lags in menu and while installing but its faster when it come to loading games by 1.5~2x times
his never lags while doing anything just smooth
There are small micro jitters here and there with andriod OS, not a smooth as iOS.
Barely any lag in normal use in things like web surfing and using the interface.
But I get extreme lag using BBC Iplayer(Not the app) in HD or any other video source that is in HD excluding youtube. The video lags and the sound it out of sync. Pretty much unwatchable.
I know that these videos aren't optimised for use on a mobile but it would have been nice if they didn't lag.
Apart from that, all other videos are fine.
Silky smooth here, underclocked to 1000GHZ. Had a sgs and it drove me maaaaaaaad!
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Why does everyone think ios is extreme fast?
Even my sgs loads apps quiker than my iphone 4.
It does maybe sometimes not as fluid but always fast.
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I agree faster loading time but unfortunatly not fluid as ios.
I own a Sgs, Sgs2, desire, desire hd, nexus s and the smoother ar the desire hd but it is heavy as a rock and not resistant as the sgs2
No lag on mine ever since updated.to XXKG6. No problem on either Ninphetamine or lulz kernel.
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On mine there is no lag with the stock ROM. Once I installed Go Launcher, the swiping of the homescreen while was not laggy did have a lower framerate than the stock Touchwiz 4 launcher which was silky smooth.
Never had ANY lag at all since the SGS2 released. It really depends on the usage. But mine, no lag.
No lags on mine. Unrooted and stock rom 2.3.3.
Ah, well... actually to be honest yes, now that I think about it... sometimes I experience a very annoying lag of about 1 second at each and every character I type in the standard text box of forums, while posting. Each character appears about 1 second after having tapped it on the virtual keyboard.
Not sure if it happens with all the browsers, but it's very annoying indeed.
In addition, under the same circumstances when tapping on the text for editing, the "arrow" cursor appears shifted down of about 2-3 rows, with respect to where it actually is in the text.
Not sure if anybody has found a solution for this.
All of these newer phones, EVO 3d, sensation, sgs2 etc. will hardly ever have lag, in my case I have mine underclocked and still no lag, and never had lag.
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The question really boils down to does it lag, Yes or No.
There are animation lags from time to time on the S2, thats just how andriod works. Even if you stuff in a quadcore with 3Ghz per core nothings gonna change due to how the software works, probably even if the memory speed is increased 10 folds there will be lags.
No and yes nothings perfect. Ive experienced it before root. Why are you thinking of swtching to, a diffrent OS?
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The question really boils down to does it lag, Yes or No.
There are animation lags from time to time on the S2, thats just how andriod works. Even if you stuff in a quadcore with 3Ghz per core nothings gonna change due to how the software works, probably even if the memory speed is increased 10 folds there will be lags.
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I updated to 404, and kept it for a week. Now I'm back on GB and oh man it's so much better.
Why is ICS so freaking horrible on this phone?
Compared to GB, ICS is buggy, slow, unstable, unresponsive and prone to hang.
I don't know what you use your phone for, but with mine, I used to play games, browse the web, and listen to music, other than normal phone usage for calls and SMS.
The browser on ICS is pathetically slow and unstable compared to the one in Gingerbread. In GB, you could actually run 720p youtube videos in desktop mode page and it would actually work perfectly. If you do it on ICS you risk hanging your phone and having to remove the battery. Either that, or the browser either crashes or becomes extremely unresponsive to the point even haptic feedback on the back and home buttons becomes delayed. On certain complex desktop pages, swiping becomes unresponsive and responds up to a full second late. Try this on the youtube desktop page or any other big page. Also, the new ICS browser tends to close on it's own for no reason, and as far as I know, there is no way to go back to the home page using it. The only way is to open a new tab, go back to the tab page, close the old tab and switch to the new tab. On the old one all you have to do is simply close all tabs and the browser would automagically put you back to the home page.
Games used to run fairly well on GB but in ICS they are so much more laggy. Some games that were perfectly fluid and playable are choppy on ICS, for example, Wind Up Knight, Let's Golf 3 (which is unplayable), Asphalt 6. The Angry Bots tech demo ran well on GB but it lags like there is no tomorrow on ICS. Another game that used to work perfectly in GB is Riptide GP, after I updated to 404, the game tends to hang the phone after a while, requiring a battery removal.
Other than this, the ICS update has several bugs including malfunctioning led notifications, no compass in google maps (this basically renders google maps unusable), and general clunky feel when scrolling through homescreens, when in GB the whole thing was smooth as silk. Even using a live wallpaper couldn't make the phone slow on GB, while on ICS it looks like even moving a bunch of icons is too much for this phone to handle.
Sure, ICS adds some eye candy such as the NXT theme which I really like, an animation for screen rotation, but I'd rather have a functional phone than a pretty but slow, clunky, unstable phone.
Again, I have no idea why you guys love ICS so much, GB is a lot better in every way imaginable, and as an added bonus, you can use all the Xperia S stuff on it without any problem, including the beautiful new music player.
ICS is simply a slow clunky mess which barely works. I'd love to know why you think it's better than GB.
not true .. it is laggy because it runs on 1ghz .. imagine if ur phone had 600mhz .. laggy as hell but weirdly htc desire c ... can run ics
be lucky that sony actually updated ur xperia ray unlike scamsung they didnt update the galaxy s to ics because its specs cant handle it but it has same specs as our ray
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This is the reason Sony wont provide more updates when they see such threads.....
Remember what they did to XPeria Play users...?
Sony released a Beta ICS for Xperia play and all users started complaining games are laggy !!, it sucks!!, ICS is fail!!... the end result was Sony cancelled ICS for Play..
You are wrong ics runs super smooth on galaxy ace 800mhz older gen cpu
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This is the reason Sony wont provide more updates when they see such threads.....
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You are wrong.
The user has every right in the world to complain if something doesn't work properly. I don't think the users complaining has anything to do with Play not receiving ICS.
ICS on Ray is slow and it is much worse than Gingerbread for whatever reason. Maybe our phone is not powerful enough to run ICS in the first place?
Also, I would have preferred an update to Gingerbread with all the Xperia S stuff and gingerbread 2.3.7 to this ICS which is exactly the same as gingerbread for the most part, only much slower and buggy.
A smartphone should be all about ease of use, if I have to resort to modding and overclocking to get the damn thing running at an acceptable level of performance, there has to be something very wrong with it.
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ICS on Ray is slow and it is much worse than Gingerbread for whatever reason.
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Sony did offer an explanation for this: ICS was made for a dual core phone with 1 GB RAM
although ICS is new and compelling in many ways, we would like all of our users to make an informed decision when selecting what Android™ software to use. We are actually proud to say that our Gingerbread software is very stable and has great performance, so it’s not a bad idea to stay on this release. Ice Cream Sandwich is more intensive, for example in terms of resource usage.
When it comes to ICS, it’s a major upgrade of Android™, and there are a lot of things that have changed compared to the Gingerbread release. Some of these changes affect the performance and stability of the system, for example by using more CPU power and RAM. ICS was developed with Galaxy Nexus in mind, which is based on a TI platform with dual-core processor and 1GB RAM
http://developer.sonymobile.com/wp/...nical-differences-between-gingerbread-and-ics
Phone is phone
Game console is game console
Phone is not a game console, and you would not get same experience....ever.
ICS is overall much better and functional than GB. Who wants to use 3.3" display for gaming has some serious mental problems :banghead:
Try custom ROMs
I have SE Xperia Ray and try almost all options (rooted/unrooted with custom ROMs or not) sincerely Stock firmware a little laggy in browser or then multitasking particularlry at version 4.03 BUT at 4.04 i see it a big difference in smoothness the OS is much stable. The big problem now is 512 RAM, problem until you root your phone and install custom ROM (you need to unlock bootloader without loosing DRM data) delete aplications who work in backround you really didn't need them like update, livemanager I was very happy when i unninstaled Gmaps that all time worked in background even if GPS off, and now I use Igo for GPS Navigation. Now I have KA20.2 ROM and I can you assure the phone are so smooth and stable. My advice: root your phone, unlock bootlader with a safe method ( I used S1) a install a custom ROM, here on XDA you may found so many nice performing ROMs, and of course remove useless aplication who work in backround and eat your precious RAM. And of course before you unlock bootloader and root the phone, install cwm, read the guides, exists a risk, you know so you need to be informed how to unlock bootloader, root your phone, use fastboot and flashboot mode, of course in the case you never rooted a phone.
Best regards.
YMMV
On my device I didn't encounter any bugs, lags or poor performance with the ICS.
It's stable, runs smoothly and has the same battery life I had with BG.
One can't say for a fact the ICS don't run well on this device, since other people have different experience with it. A person my note his personal experience - and it's just fine to do so!
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I have SE Xperia Ray and try almost all options (rooted/unrooted with custom ROMs or not) sincerely Stock firmware a little laggy in browser or then multitasking particularlry at version 4.03 BUT at 4.04 i see it a big difference in smoothness the OS is much stable. The big problem now is 512 RAM, problem until you root your phone and install custom ROM (you need to unlock bootloader without loosing DRM data) delete aplications who work in backround you really didn't need them like update, livemanager I was very happy when i unninstaled Gmaps that all time worked in background even if GPS off, and now I use Igo for GPS Navigation. Now I have KA20.2 ROM and I can you assure the phone are so smooth and stable. My advice: root your phone, unlock bootlader with a safe method ( I used S1) a install a custom ROM, here on XDA you may found so many nice performing ROMs, and of course remove useless aplication who work in backround and eat your precious RAM. And of course before you unlock bootloader and root the phone, install cwm, read the guides, exists a risk, you know so you need to be informed how to unlock bootloader, root your phone, use fastboot and flashboot mode, of course in the case you never rooted a phone.
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Where i can find i go navigation? it's free?
play games on ICS? ahaha you make me laugh. small screen but still eager to play games? LOL. go get Xperia Play mate, it build for gamers. i feel sorry for you then. GB is history for me. you'll never move forward if you keep looking back. neway, enjoy your phone mate
@MarkMRL: That's been my experience too, though I don't play games.
I haven't tried the latest ICS though, which people report as being much better.
I moved to CM7.2 - it's very fast, with lots of great features the stock ROM doesn't have.
At the end of the day use what you're happy with
ICS is not buggy but it needs time.
Ok so 1.ICS is better looking cause gingerbread is a pain to ur eyes
2. Its better optimized than gb games are slightly better
3. It is not just for non rooted phones. Like it needs lots of optimiztion. Cuz stock one ahs lot of procceses and u have only 50mb ram free at all time so thats why is laggy. But if you supercharge or smurph out you ray-bam its perfeckt
I have 130 apps lots of procceses running at backround 5 HD games i play and i still
have 120 mb free ram so.. you have wrong thoughts about ics on ray...
Hey man I was in the same boat as you, when I first upgraded to ice I asked myself WTF is this **** and I really hated it, it was slow as hell and laggy but you got to know that developers know a lot more than you and that everything happens for a reason. Sorry but you come across asa huge cry baby
A few weeks back I was almost in the same mind set as you are in right now, I thought gingerbread was the best and ics was just crap but boy was I wrong
follow these steps and il bet you'l make another thread about why you love ics this time
1. Backup all your data, contacts. Msgs and pics
2. Do a factory reset/full wipe
3. Use the seus/pc companion and do a "repair"
NOW YOUR PHONE SHOULD BE COMPLETE STOCK MODE
4. Root the phone
5. Go to developer options, uncheck "dont keep apps" and "limit background processes" remember UNCHECK
6. Change window&transistion animations to .5
7. Use se tweaker to get cwm
8. Use hansip87s system ui and framework mod smooth scrolling thing (this makes some neat changes and adds notification and control and status widgets to the notification panel and you dont have to use the stupid status widget and the lame control buttons
9. There are some build prop edits /hacks thread where I saw the code for faster UI and scrolling and smoother transistions
10. If you want to use some of the awesome ROMS here by the awesome devs
11. Delete this thread
12. ??????????????
13. PROFIT!!
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I bet you your device will be faster and better than gb now, also its not the end of the world so be patient sony will make it better with each update and please, if you want to game that much why did you buy a phone with a 3.3in screen bro? Pm me if u have any problems
Oh also use root explorer or any other app similar to uninstall the se bloatware crap, I always have 150-120 free RAM always now, plus ics seems to have ajdusted the internal memory a bit
Its better than gb (coming from someone who hated ics 2 weeks back)
rikee said:
Phone is phone
Game console is game console
Phone is not a game console, and you would not get same experience....ever.
ICS is overall much better and functional than GB. Who wants to use 3.3" display for gaming has some serious mental problems :banghead:
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This is not a "phone", it's a smartphone. It should be able to run games and internet browser. And 3.3 inches is more than enough for those silly smartphone games. Every game I tried is perfectly playable and looking good too. I'm not a "smartphone gamer" (just the name makes me cringe), but I enjoy wasting some time with those little games every now and then (I also have a PSP, DS and PSVita by the way). It annoys me that I was able to play certain games before but not anymore.
The point is that I was able to do all of that when I bought it, but now I can't do it anymore.
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YMMV
On my device I didn't encounter any bugs, lags or poor performance with the ICS.
It's stable, runs smoothly and has the same battery life I had with BG.
One can't say for a fact the ICS don't run well on this device, since other people have different experience with it. A person my note his personal experience - and it's just fine to do so!
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Are you telling me your Ray has fully functional led notification and compass in google maps? Or that you can watch 720p youtube videos in the browser (or equivalent heavy browsing) without the crappy thing slowing down to a crawl or locking up entirely?
And no, I'm not crying I'm just stating facts.
Also, firefrenzy, that's exactly what I did when I updated to 404. I know all there is to know when it comes to installing stuff, I have unlocked bootloader and installed a stock kernel with CWM I found on this board, and also supercharged to 100%. Still horrible. I haven't tried ICS custom roms yet.
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Are you telling me your Ray has fully functional led notification and compass in google maps? Or that you can watch 720p youtube videos in the browser (or equivalent heavy browsing) without the crappy thing slowing down to a crawl or locking up entirely?
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i dont know about the compass in the maps because i dont use the google maps ever, but i have no problems with the led notification or lag when playing hd video through browser, i have multiple tabs, of xda developers and another bodybuilding forum tabs and im using whatsapp messenger and normal messenger with my earphones plugged in listening to music altogeather at once on an almost daily basis and im having no problems, sure all that is slurping away my battery but that is understandable, only issue i had was i could not charge the phone when "switched off" the phone used to go into a bootloop, but the awesome people here fixed that too
Also, firefrenzy, that's exactly what I did when I updated to 404. I know all there is to know when it comes to installing stuff, I have unlocked bootloader and installed a stock kernel with CWM I found on this board, and also supercharged to 100%. Still horrible. I haven't tried ICS custom roms yet.
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BRO TAKE OFF ALL THAT STUFF,CLEAR ALL CACHE AND DATA AND START OVER FROM STOCK, ICS IS BETTER THAT WAY
AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN UPGRADED TO 4.0.4, SE'S OFFICIAL IS STILL 4.0.3
ICS was smooth for me & it's smoother now i'm on JJ's Hybrid ROM.
Try a custom rom...
Run on 4.0.4 Original rooted with all bloat remove, including all FB stuff. It runns realy good. Sure get a redraw some times after surfing on some heavy sites or a long driveing session with waze. But in may normal daily use, read e-mail, check calander and make phone calls it runs realy well and lag free.
But the Sony dailer is crap, I use exDailer & Contacts, much better and faster.
This toic should be moved to general. Unless it helps developers in some way which i have a hard time believing.
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Hi all,
I'd just like to share my experience when testing the official ICS update:
It's quite fast, looks a bit nicer too, I really love the fact you can disable services (finally!).
However, next to the known bugs (notification led not working, more ram usage), I did experience some issues when streaming videos:
- flash video is extremely choppy, seems to be loading continually.
- same for the app dumpert.nl, which streams flv files. Loading the movie takes quite some time, after which it only runs smooth for a couple of seconds, then it gets loading again.
- playing video from sd seems to work correctly though.
- I have the impression that loading from sd card is way slower as on GB?
For the moment I have reverted to GB, as it runs smoother with almost no bugs.
Coming from iphone 3GS, I keep however dreaming of an android device with a silky smooth interface ;-) (perhaps 4.0.4+ ics will do that ?)
jvdv360 said:
Coming from iphone 3GS, I keep however dreaming of an android device with a silky smooth interface ;-) (perhaps 4.0.4+ ics will do that ?)
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I highly doubt that Sony will update 2011 series further than 4.0.4, as at first they were claiming that those phones' specs aren't good enough to run ICS properly.
but I guess that flashing custom ROMs and kernels might do the job
I too had pretty bad experience with ICS on my LWW and ultimately reverted back to superstable GingerBread.
But i love ICS. If you have any issue on SD card, use "Rom toolbox" or "SD Speed Increase" apps for improve SD card speed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1010807
Official Sony ICS ROM is full of crapware. This is what makes it slow. Use a custom ROM. My phone was never this fast and snappy before with stock ROM as it is now with custom ROM and kernel.
papul said:
Official Sony ICS ROM is full of crapware. This is what makes it slow. Use a custom ROM. My phone was never this fast and snappy before with stock ROM as it is now with custom ROM and kernel.
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That's why Android should be rooted.
papul said:
Official Sony ICS ROM is full of crapware. This is what makes it slow. Use a custom ROM. My phone was never this fast and snappy before with stock ROM as it is now with custom ROM and kernel.
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I use stock ROM and kernel, but i remove all the bloatware, so it run smoothly and move all the apps to SD card using link2SD.
well ..my experience that i'm not satisfied is the camera on ics have much noise from gb ..and i use camera all the time ..even on kmrsh miniCM ..
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well ..my experience that i'm not satisfied is the camera on ics have much noise from gb ..and i use camera all the time ..even on kmrsh miniCM ..
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Dude, My camera quality is a lot lot better with ICS, with GB its crap.. whats you model made, mine is 29w or something
android addicts said:
I use stock ROM and kernel, but i remove all the bloatware, so it run smoothly and move all the apps to SD card using link2SD.
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Custom ROMs are light. And highly optimised. It runs faster than official, even with the crapware removed.
Sent from my ST15i using XDA
I can't use a rooted rom, as my company has policies in place for the usage of smartphones in combination with corporate e-mail.
Still, with almost all services disabled, flash performance was still bad...
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jvdv360 said:
I can't use a rooted rom, as my company has policies in place for the usage of smartphones in combination with corporate e-mail.
Still, with almost all services disabled, flash performance was still bad...
Sent from my SK17i using XDA
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No root + bloatware on ICS = Lag/ Freeze screen.
Maybe you need to get a separate/personal phone.
2011 Xperia phones are a bit choppy by default running on ICS that's why you need to have root permissions (the least) to make some remedy.
coolbuy said:
Dude, My camera quality is a lot lot better with ICS, with GB its crap.. whats you model made, mine is 29w or something
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mine is xperia mini ..its 11w36 ..after using ics ..i realize that every pic that i take it have more blurr side and much noise from gb ..does the model date effect the camera ? ..or other hardware ?
OK, since there's a thread I'll share my experience. First, let me point out the good things.
1. It's ICS. Fast, smooth, no lag in menus or stock apps. Runs great on this hardware.
2. I first thought the Sony UI would destroy the ICS experience, but I was pleasantly surprised. Except the bloatware, the icons and menus look great.
3. Battery life. In my usage experience is much better. I can very easily pull through a day and still have ~20% left. I'm talking about a few hours surfing on WiFi and a little browsing on 3G.
4. Multitasking. Even with 512MB ram and Sony bloatware, I can multitask without any application/game suddenly closing. Also the ICS multitasking menu is excellent.
5. Camera. The photos are finally in 100% JPEG quality. A photo is around 1.5 - 2 MB in size. Also, the videos seem to be of a better quality, even with the stabilizer on I don't have FPS drops. The only thing that's missing is the macro mode. Actually I think it's not missing since I once got the phone to say macro even though I was shooting an outside nature portrait. I think the camera app has problems when focusing close objects, this needs to be fixed.
Now I also have many of the problems already mentioned.
1. Notification LED. It doesn't work, except when the phone is charging, I get no light for SMS/Email/FB...
2. Games. Some games like Angry Birds Space, Temple Run and others suddenly the touch stops responding. A reboot usually solves this. I don't get what's causing this, as the games state that they are optimized for ICS.
4. Chrome Browser. The browser installs and runs fine, but whenever I click on a text field, the virtual keyboard doesn't show up. I can only use the QWERTY to type letters as the FN, Symbol and other keys don't work, which makes the browser pretty much unable. I can't find a fix, I think it's a application bug.
Overall, I'm satisfied with the update Sony managed to pull, maybe a little later than stated, but they kept their promise. Hope this bugs will be fixed with a new update.
papul said:
Custom ROMs are light. And highly optimised. It runs faster than official, even with the crapware removed.
Sent from my ST15i using XDA
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Thanks dude! But now my phone has 100 of apps and i link them to 2nd partition. So if i flash another ROM i lost my root and lost my all the apps, and i have to manually download them form play store.
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jvdv360 said:
I can't use a rooted rom, as my company has policies in place for the usage of smartphones in combination with corporate e-mail.
Still, with almost all services disabled, flash performance was still bad...
Sent from my SK17i using XDA
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I think ICS has a option for disable the unwanted system apps, without root. Follow this guide http://www.thespicygadgematics.com/2012/06/how-to-remove-bloatware-on-android-ics.html
krstep said:
OK, since there's a thread I'll share my experience. First, let me point out the good things.
1. It's ICS. Fast, smooth, no lag in menus or stock apps. Runs great on this hardware.
2. I first thought the Sony UI would destroy the ICS experience, but I was pleasantly surprised. Except the bloatware, the icons and menus look great.
3. Battery life. In my usage experience is much better. I can very easily pull through a day and still have ~20% left. I'm talking about a few hours surfing on WiFi and a little browsing on 3G.
4. Multitasking. Even with 512MB ram and Sony bloatware, I can multitask without any application/game suddenly closing. Also the ICS multitasking menu is excellent.
5. Camera. The photos are finally in 100% JPEG quality. A photo is around 1.5 - 2 MB in size. Also, the videos seem to be of a better quality, even with the stabilizer on I don't have FPS drops. The only thing that's missing is the macro mode. Actually I think it's not missing since I once got the phone to say macro even though I was shooting an outside nature portrait. I think the camera app has problems when focusing close objects, this needs to be fixed.
Now I also have many of the problems already mentioned.
1. Notification LED. It doesn't work, except when the phone is charging, I get no light for SMS/Email/FB...
2. Games. Some games like Angry Birds Space, Temple Run and others suddenly the touch stops responding. A reboot usually solves this. I don't get what's causing this, as the games state that they are optimized for ICS.
4. Chrome Browser. The browser installs and runs fine, but whenever I click on a text field, the virtual keyboard doesn't show up. I can only use the QWERTY to type letters as the FN, Symbol and other keys don't work, which makes the browser pretty much unable. I can't find a fix, I think it's a application bug.
Overall, I'm satisfied with the update Sony managed to pull, maybe a little later than stated, but they kept their promise. Hope this bugs will be fixed with a new update.
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About the google chrome : I totally agreed you should report it to google
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krstep said:
OK, since there's a thread I'll share my experience. First, let me point out the good things.
1. It's ICS. Fast, smooth, no lag in menus or stock apps. Runs great on this hardware.
2. I first thought the Sony UI would destroy the ICS experience, but I was pleasantly surprised. Except the bloatware, the icons and menus look great.
3. Battery life. In my usage experience is much better. I can very easily pull through a day and still have ~20% left. I'm talking about a few hours surfing on WiFi and a little browsing on 3G.
4. Multitasking. Even with 512MB ram and Sony bloatware, I can multitask without any application/game suddenly closing. Also the ICS multitasking menu is excellent.
5. Camera. The photos are finally in 100% JPEG quality. A photo is around 1.5 - 2 MB in size. Also, the videos seem to be of a better quality, even with the stabilizer on I don't have FPS drops. The only thing that's missing is the macro mode. Actually I think it's not missing since I once got the phone to say macro even though I was shooting an outside nature portrait. I think the camera app has problems when focusing close objects, this needs to be fixed.
Now I also have many of the problems already mentioned.
1. Notification LED. It doesn't work, except when the phone is charging, I get no light for SMS/Email/FB...
2. Games. Some games like Angry Birds Space, Temple Run and others suddenly the touch stops responding. A reboot usually solves this. I don't get what's causing this, as the games state that they are optimized for ICS.
4. Chrome Browser. The browser installs and runs fine, but whenever I click on a text field, the virtual keyboard doesn't show up. I can only use the QWERTY to type letters as the FN, Symbol and other keys don't work, which makes the browser pretty much unable. I can't find a fix, I think it's a application bug.
Overall, I'm satisfied with the update Sony managed to pull, maybe a little later than stated, but they kept their promise. Hope this bugs will be fixed with a new update.
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I agree on you.. I too thought that Sony would mess up ICS..but to my delight ICS runs faster than GB..even with adw launcher installed.. I have loads of RAM and importantly, internal memory free.. Only sore point is when it comes to some games ICS lags.. Towers n trolls is choppy.. But ignoring that..rest is great.. Camera is much better quality wise too..
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Hi all, I'm hoping for discussion so I chose here instead of simple Q&A.
Like a lot of people here I'm looking ahead to my next phone purchase and I'm trying to see what went wrong with ICS on the Sola. The forum is filled with theads on problems, I won't list them.
Here's the crux of the issue; I read here: http://androidtechguru.blogspot.ie/2012/02/minimum-system-requirements-for-ice.html
that the head Mod of CyanogenMod says that the ICS mimimum spec is 256mb of RAM with a decent GPU, and seperately, other people say that 1ghz dual core, 512 RAM is recommended. The Sola has this precisely. Why is ICS so bad on it? You can Google many, many reviews of even high-end Sony phones on ICS and they still lag like a pensioner going down a motorway. Why?
Is it true that the Sola reserves some RAM related to the extra sensors in the screen? I read more people saying 1GB or RAM is needed for ICS to run smoothly. I noticed that reviewers on Techradar say Jelly Bean runs much better that ICS on the same specs. So, is 1GB of RAM the standard needed for ICS? How about CPU and GPU?
p.s. I should say that a Sony rep on their official forum recommended me to download a task manager to manage the RAM on the Sola...how revealing!
NOTE - Timescape now retired: http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/01/14/rip-timescape-long-live-socialife/
Liked that motorway part
Btw
512mb is sufficient for ics (nexus s)
Its runs ics so smoothly
What sony does is that it adds an extra layer of Timescape launcher
Along wid that loads of bloatware
And regarding using task manager
Its worse one could do make phone unstable
Task manager kills app
Apps then reopen by themselves
Task manager again kills app
And the process continues till the battery is drained
Edit - I have same prblm on my xu sola n xu are twins
Thanks, I'm really trying to learn about how this works.
So, 512MB RAM for ICS, but perhaps more after a manufacturer has added their skin and apps?
Is there any other big problem with the specs for the Sola or U?
Battery drain, has anyone else noticed many of Sony's late 2012 medium-high end phones have 1900mha batteries, but reviews on GSMArena and TechRadar say their actual performance is about 1400/1500? (Check out the Ion, Acro S and others) The opposite can also be true but is rare from what I see - the iPhone5 and Samsung Galaxy S3 Mini have small batteries 1400/1500 but their battery performance is more like 1800-2000. I don't know what Apple and Samsung did to make it that good, but the stats tell me Sony is really messing something up to reduce the battery performance that badly despite 1900. Maybe that is the Timescape UI eating the battery?
I wont say that about Samsung bt for apple
I have used an iphone 3gs and a galaxy note (my dad's)
Note's battery backup is even worse than my xu (probably coz it has always swtiched on 3g n gmail)
I have never seen an android wid good battery (except my brothers htc desire v)
The best battery I got in 3gs
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My phone gives me a descent battery wid brains rom about 20hrs wid 4hrs of wifi, alot of messaging and hardly any calls
What about sola?
Have a look at this: http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-4998.php
And the battery performance: http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-review-828p2.php (bottom of this page)
I hope you wet yourself when you see this. I did. :laugh: :laugh:
64hrs?? Wtf??
I guess its due to intel chipset
I will collect money to buy this now I even beats my Nokia n86
Novathor also has an image of being power efficient
Bt I guess its the sony **** that pulls it down
drsanket_xperia_u said:
Liked that motorway part
Btw
512mb is sufficient for ics (nexus s)
Its runs ics so smoothly
What sony does is that it adds an extra layer of Timescape launcher
Along wid that loads of bloatware
And regarding using task manager
Its worse one could do make phone unstable
Task manager kills app
Apps then reopen by themselves
Task manager again kills app
And the process continues till the battery is drained
Edit - I have same prblm on my xu sola n xu are twins
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A normal task manager doesn't do this you're talking about an automated task killer.
It is a feature some of task managers out there have.
If you have a task manager with an auto kill feature you can, in most cases, disable it.
A task manager can help save battery juice, as long as you don't use any auto kill "features".
Its really confusing about Sola, I think the headline of this thread summarize everything.. It just failed.
Well sure thing for me now its not a ram issue, I'm using my Sola lately without task manager, and just by limiting background process to 3, it runs with 30-40 free ram even better and more stable than 120 by a task manager, Android has its own ram management unlike Windows mobile for example where free ram is something important.
I'm using "Watchdog" task manager where it kills only apps that eat CPU not Ram.
Slow performance always start after few days of using, like now I'm in third day without restarting device started to face random lags.
And I think JB could maybe run faster than ICS even with same specs, imo best os is the one able to run good on minimum or normal required specs, like Vista - Win7 thing on laptops , vista was older but crap comparing to win7 even on same specs.
And btw even Sony devices with 1G ram like P, has issues with performance.. So it's either a CPU issue, or Sony customization.
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i did notice that the facebook app sucks a lot of battery and resources from sola. On medium usage my phone goes well past a day, that is after i upgraded to .154 and uninstalling the facebook app
Check out the other Motorola phones released just before Christmas, they ALL have batteries above 2000mha! I have checked many reviews and they all seem to perform up to a very high standard. I have even chatted on here with guys who own these phones and they post battery stats lasting 2-3 days!! That's what I'm talking about...Motorola is apparently using a giant advertisment in the US saying 'A smartphone is not so smart if you have to leave it plugged into the wall all the time'.
I didn't notice the Xperia P had 1GB of RAM, and it's still slow??? I really think that's Sony's skin then. I've been reading many phones with 1GB of RAM that are really fast on ICS/JB.
By the way, that Motorola RAZR i...single core 2ghz, the GSMArena tests say that it performs better than most quad-core phones...shocking huh? Intel says the single core saves power.
drsanket_xperia_u said:
Liked that motorway part
Btw
512mb is sufficient for ics (nexus s)
Its runs ics so smoothly
What sony does is that it adds an extra layer of Timescape launcher
Along wid that loads of bloatware
And regarding using task manager
Its worse one could do make phone unstable
Task manager kills app
Apps then reopen by themselves
Task manager again kills app
And the process continues till the battery is drained
Edit - I have same prblm on my xu sola n xu are twins
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Well i own a xu and i cant agree with you, ics here works fine and i have lots of apps installed too, ram usage is high but system is smooth overall and i havent had a single crash or reboot yet (been almost 3 weeks with ics).Cant be happier with my phone.
Edit: Btw it is not rooted and its bootloader locked, runing ics stock.
Even my very low end LG p500 with 512MB ram and a arm v6 600Mhz cpu can run ics just fine, even with old kernel, lack of sources, hacks, etc. I was using oxygen ics at the time.
In my opinion it only require a proper rom building, where most of the companies are failing.
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diegonnc said:
Well i own a xu and i cant agree with you, ics here works fine and i have lots of apps installed too, ram usage is high but system is smooth overall and i havent had a single crash or reboot yet (been almost 3 weeks with ics).Cant be happier with my phone.
Edit: Btw it is not rooted and its bootloader locked, runing ics stock.
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My friend's XU also working great on ICS, it's also stock, not rooted, locked BL..
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I also have LG P500 and with lastest Jelly bean 4.1.2 build from XDA masters works super fast and smooth. Ram free is about 200MB, apps loads instantly. Battery last for 3 days...
diegonnc said:
Well i own a xu and i cant agree with you, ics here works fine and i have lots of apps installed too, ram usage is high but system is smooth overall and i havent had a single crash or reboot yet (been almost 3 weeks with ics).Cant be happier with my phone.
Edit: Btw it is not rooted and its bootloader locked, runing ics stock.
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Well guess u folks lucky, coz i had some major issues running ICS on my U. Was practically forced to first root (so as to use some root tools to get stuff done,) then Unlock BL for Custom ROM. (Very Happy with CM9.1 - Was pretty happy just using TheBrainROM also, but I did get a Lag once in a while -Not very common, just once in a while. Using CM fxp 202 atm, and it hasn't lagged even once. O_O )
NOTE:- I did have a LOT of apps (over 100 user apps i believe), stilll I have most of them on CM but, no problems at all. (battery seems a bit worse though i could be wrong as TheBrainROM had some really good battery times, - I would get upto 1 and half days with charge. -Phone never on extended standby.)
Also @Silver If u think Windows 7 was good, check the performance on Windows 8. Heck even games are running smoother and faster. :/
Sony ends Timescape for future phones, converts everything into one option user app called Sociallife: http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/01/14/rip-timescape-long-live-socialife/
Maybe the 2013 phones will see a performance boost?
Well I'm using stock .54 without task managers for 5 days now without restart, device is running great, even with receiving calls while I'm using many apps.
For me using task managers with "Kill All" was the problem.
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Before the Sola, I had the 2011 Xperia Mini (ST15i). It came on 2.3 with upgrade to 4.0. I gave it to my brother when I got the Sola. Tonight, I played with that phone again on ICS. It is *SO* fast and smooth it really puts the Sola phone to shame.
Comparisson of these two phones?
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4408&idPhone2=3947
This is another thing about buying new phones: dual-core does not necessarily mean better performance from what I've seen. A more powerful processor, yes.
SharpnShiny said:
Before the Sola, I had the 2011 Xperia Mini (ST15i). It came on 2.3 with upgrade to 4.0. I gave it to my brother when I got the Sola. Tonight, I played with that phone again on ICS. It is *SO* fast and smooth it really puts the Sola phone to shame.
Comparisson of these two phones?
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4408&idPhone2=3947
This is another thing about buying new phones: dual-core does not necessarily mean better performance from what I've seen. A more powerful processor, yes.
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but your sola has so much more pixels to play with, it's normal that the mini is smoother
ilgreco112 said:
but your sola has so much more pixels to play with, it's normal that the mini is smoother
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I was thinking about keeping the Sola's resolution in the next phone, particularly to take it easy on the battery. Would you recommend that to keep the CPU relaxed too? I really don't know a lot about how this works but I'm keen to learn.
By the way, for anyone else interested on Android skins and updates, I spotted more hints on Sony's 2013 phone skins, Sony mentions it will be 'very light and easily updated':
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/sony-xperia-z-1119637/review
I noticed,that the count off active cores is most of the time only or max two cores.even in gaming or benchmarking...
Could this be the problem for the bad gaming performance since jb update?on playing vice city i recogniced that the framerate raises a lot when all four cores are active.this happens some time for a few seconds,then it returns back to one or two active cores and the game starts lagging....
Any solution so far?or is there anybody still on ics to test if it is the same activitie there?
I used cpu stats to tes cause it shows cores activities in statusbar.
No one?doesnt really anybody give a s**t bout this tablet???
Know how you feel, I have a htc desire phone which is running for 3years and still has (few) active developers.. Here's like nobody home.. Probably because bootloader is still locked.. I don't have time atm but I really want to try to root my xperia tablet.. We'll see what the future holds..
For the cores.. Probably bad tuning by Sony devs, this is likely how they managed battery to last longer, ok but not for gaming..
They upgraded to kernel 3 which is a good thing, but they kinda f***** it up..
Know you're not alone and don't forget anything is possible..!!
Greetz
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No one?doesnt really anybody give a s**t bout this tablet???
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Seems you aren't to active yourself..
I kinda feel the same too. I have a Nexus One which is pretty old but with 4.2.2 on and a lot of roms to choose.
With this tablet I feel abandoned. It is a shame because it's a great tablet, nice design, good materials.
If only they let us unlock the bootloader...
Fix core count on Xperia tablet S after JB update.
OssiB said:
I noticed,that the count off active cores is most of the time only or max two cores.even in gaming or benchmarking...
Could this be the problem for the bad gaming performance since jb update?on playing vice city i recogniced that the framerate raises a lot when all four cores are active.this happens some time for a few seconds,then it returns back to one or two active cores and the game starts lagging....
Any solution so far?or is there anybody still on ics to test if it is the same activitie there?
I used cpu stats to tes cause it shows cores activities in statusbar.
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Hi, since i finally can post here, Yes, the Xperia tablet S with the Tegra3 will only run on 2 cores.
I know how to fix this,
First off, factory reset (backup blabla) Why? Because when you update to jb and dont factory reset after the upgrade, it will be very laggy and buggy, dunno why, it try it. - could also just skip this if you dont want to back up and etc
Second, install an app calld tegra overclock.
Third, after that, open the app, go to core count, enable all cores, enable on boot, done, should run way way smoother and faster.
And last, thanks button if this worked
Note: App isnt free. but uhm, google :angel: