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It is very thin...I wonder if we will have any problem with bending or cracking the screen from bending by carrying it in your pocket??
Any thoughts??
Don't think so. Maybe if you put it in your back pocket and sit on it but its still a solid piece. When you look at the Evo 4G the phone is 2 pieces and actually has a week spot but i doubt the Note 2 would just bend or crack without considerable force. Just my opinion.
I would like to believe that this is a nonissue. Have you heard any of the OG notes breaking from being bent? Every review I have seen has said that this is a sturdy device.
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I would like to believe that this is a nonissue. Have you heard any of the OG notes breaking from being bent? Every review I have seen has said that this is a sturdy device.
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No, I have not heard of any notes breaking. It just felt delicate to me...I'm sure it will be just fine. Can't wait!!
I would be very careful with this. I did see a post in another thread somewhere about a broken screen.
I work with a guy that has a Casio Commando with a broken screen. So....
Take a sheet of plastic and see how easily you can bend it. Doesn't take too much flex to break thin glass.
Anyway. If I get this, I'll for sure be looking for a sturdy case for it.
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No, I have not heard of any notes breaking. It just felt delicate to me...I'm sure it will be just fine. Can't wait!!
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People said the same thing with the S3. Most likely because of the plastic feel.
If someone puts it in their back pocket and is well a bigger person, there is a risk or if they fall hard on their backside then that could break it.
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If someone puts it in their back pocket and is well a bigger person, there is a risk or if they fall hard on their backside then that could break it.
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That kind of force will likely damage any device.
I know I've read/seen reports of the S3 casing having small fractures appear that don't functionally hurt the device, but just creep you out a little...so I thought I would search for reports of similar on the Note II. I can't find any even though I was under the impression the casing is similar material.
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I know I've read/seen reports of the S3 casing having small fractures appear that don't functionally hurt the device, but just creep you out a little...so I thought I would search for reports of similar on the Note II. I can't find any even though I was under the impression the casing is similar material.
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Yeah, they are the same material. People have reported random scratching on the metal parts from purchase and also scratches on the lens. I have yet to see something like this for the n2 from
What you are talking about though
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It is very thin...I wonder if we will have any problem with bending or cracking the screen from bending by carrying it in your pocket??
Any thoughts??
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If you are worried about it there are many vendors selling aluminum case backs in many different colors which would certainly make it stronger.
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If you are worried about it there are many vendors selling aluminum case backs in many different colors which would certainly make it stronger.
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Why would anyone want to compromise their radio signal and reception by adding a metal back for aesthetics?
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Why would anyone want to compromise their radio signal and reception by adding a metal back for aesthetics?
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I wouldn't do it and certainly not for aesthetic reasons. I mentioned it for those who were concerned about whether or not the phone is sturdy enough with a plastic back. I have read comments from those who have installed these aluminum backs that they did not degrade the radio signal but those were subjective opinions I'm sure.
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It is very thin...I wonder if we will have any problem with bending or cracking the screen from bending by carrying it in your pocket??
Any thoughts??
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I watched the samsung testing facility video. They bend these devices quite a bit. It wasn't in English, but it didn't need to be. Its plastic for a reason. I've had my nexus fall 3 times while running on a treadmill. Sure the battery falls out... but not a scratch on the device and works just fine still. I had a Moto Razr Maxx HD which is, well, metal. I feel like that would crack the screen if its dropped before the nexus would.
Plastic has a lot more flex to it than glass (obviously), so any slight bends to the phone shouldn't be much of an issue.
Hi guys, can you check your HAM2 on the corner chrome bezel edge, it appears to have a straight crack or separation on all 4 corners, is this normal? Or it is really like this that the chrome 4 corners bezel has a separation on it?
I see it too!
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Hi guys, can you check your HAM2 on the corner chrome bezel edge, it appears to have a straight crack or separation on all 4 corners, is this normal? Or it is really like this that the chrome 4 corners bezel has a separation on it?
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Wow, I never noticed this! Probably because I have a case, but it doesn't cover the entire phone anyway.
For those wondering, the chrome-looking band around the phone seems to be made up of 4 pieces, 1 for each side of the phone.
So funny I mentioned crack, because the darn thing is irregular and not stright at all. It appears that it cracked. May be they cut it manually because labor in china is cheaper compare to buying a machine and cost of electricity?
Well, our phone has a pretty cheap price, so it should be excepted to see some "bad" things!
I would say that they are from the molding process of that particular piece of the phone. I don't think they are cracks.
I imagine every phone is like that based on everyone saying they see the same thing. I have them on mine as well. Nothing to worry about.
FYI had Trident case with tempered glass screen protector. Jaws of life to remove this last time severely cracked screen protector phone was bent 5 to 10 degrees. Reshaped the phone and 0 damage 100% intact. Flexible chassis and display makes for greatness. Wipes brow ...
I can barely see the line on my phone. I had to look several times to notice it.
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I can barely see the line on my phone. I had to look several times to notice it.
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was going to say 'nope, none here' - but upon real close inspection there is a very unnoticeable separation around each corner.
I've had mine in the orig HW case since day one. Did drop it off a cooler onto river rock (poolside) last month and it ended up face down on the pebble rock, front cover laying flat out. In fact the whole phone separated from the back cover
I was nervous when I saw it, but picked it up and the screen was not damaged :fingers-crossed: Just now saw a small chip out of the upper right corner that probably happened that day.
So far, I'm impressed for the money spent.
Dropped z2 yday ;/ it was one of my frenchies who jumped on me, phone fall first on screen, than on back glass and finaly landed in dogs water bowl. took it out right away, screen ok, back glass broken and no visible sign of any water entered.
I want to replace the broken glass deck, but to make it so that phone will still be wateproof.. Anyone have any experiance with that? If so, where did you order back glass and did it come with adhesive coating ..?
Thanks for all answers!
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aawawa said:
Dropped z2 yday ;/ it was one of my frenchies who jumped on me, phone fall first on screen, than on back glass and finaly landed in dogs water bowl. took it out right away, screen ok, back glass broken and no visible sign of any water entered.
I want to replace the broken glass deck, but to make it so that phone will still be wateproof.. Anyone have any experiance with that? If so, where did you order back glass and did it come with adhesive coating ..?
Thanks for all answers!
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I got mine off of eBay. You need the back glass and new adhesive.
Phone won't be as waterproof anymore, but I've dipped my phone in the sink fora few seconds without harm.
http://iphoneno.com/categories/Sony-Mobile-Part/Xperia-Z2-Parts/
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http://iphoneno.com/categories/Sony-Mobile-Part/Xperia-Z2-Parts/
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Does this come with adhesive and would you know how if we can retain nfc? I heard changing the back you lose NFC...
Thanks.
It comes with adhesive. But nfc antenna must be unglued from the old back glass. To do that you have to heat up the glass very well so it won't break or torn off.
Heat up the old glass i mean.
hey guys , did anyone succeeded to buy original back glass , and after that phone is again waterproof ? cos some people told me that doesnt matter what back cover i buy even with adhesive , the phone wont be waterproof , only sony can repair it for waterproof again. is that true ?
No man
There are adhesive on the back of glass dont mention about it
You could either buy the plate AND the adhesive thingy (comes separately). Or go my way (slightly risky).
The stock glass plate keeps breaking so I took the measurements and made an Aluminium plate. Then drilled camera holes into it and painted it. Then came the tricky part. I stuck the plate into place using regular epoxy (waterproof) adhesive. You have to be very careful while doing the last part because of obvious reasons tho.
The problem with the adhesive thingy that you get to buy (And also the one that Sony uses in the device) is that although its water proof, it isn't heat resistant. and as we all know how Sony phones heat, the adhesive comes off.
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You could either buy the plate AND the adhesive thingy (comes separately). Or go my way (slightly risky).
The stock glass plate keeps breaking so I took the measurements and made an Aluminium plate. Then drilled camera holes into it and painted it. Then came the tricky part. I stuck the plate into place using regular epoxy (waterproof) adhesive. You have to be very careful while doing the last part because of obvious reasons tho.
The problem with the adhesive thingy that you get to buy (And also the one that Sony uses in the device) is that although its water proof, it isn't heat resistant. and as we all know how Sony phones heat, the adhesive comes off.
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This is very creative and I sure as hell would like to try my hand at it. How thick was the aluminum?
I bet your phone becomes hot as an iron when gaming haha, which is good for your internals because of better heat dissipation. Any adverse effects on mobile reception? wifi? bluetooth? guess NFC is gone haha
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hey guys , did anyone succeeded to buy original back glass , and after that phone is again waterproof ? cos some people told me that doesnt matter what back cover i buy even with adhesive , the phone wont be waterproof , only sony can repair it for waterproof again. is that true ?
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Well, I given my z2 to friend to replace battery and few days ago I left my phone in silk for 10 minutes, because it was dirty and no issue here.
@MindfreakBS
What are NFC and Cell reception like since installing the aluminium back plate?
Any deterioration in signal strength / call quality / WiFi / Bluetooth?
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This is very creative and I sure as hell would like to try my hand at it. How thick was the aluminum?
I bet your phone becomes hot as an iron when gaming haha, which is good for your internals because of better heat dissipation. Any adverse effects on mobile reception? wifi? bluetooth? guess NFC is gone haha
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Aluminium is a millimetre thick. It does get hot, yeah.
Mobile reception is same (Maybe a tad bit lower, idk), wifi bluetooth work fine. NFC still intact. I fixed it onto the plate in position.
@rubiicon59 that should answer your question too
I was planning to post a tutorial. Haven't been able to take out enough time though.
How about a pic...
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Aluminium is a millimetre thick. It does get hot, yeah.
Mobile reception is same (Maybe a tad bit lower, idk), wifi bluetooth work fine. NFC still intact. I fixed it onto the plate in position.
@rubiicon59 that should answer your question too
I was planning to post a tutorial. Haven't been able to take out enough time though.
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I've asked about the pic for a long time:crying::silly:
MindfreakBS said:
Aluminium is a millimetre thick. It does get hot, yeah.
Mobile reception is same (Maybe a tad bit lower, idk), wifi bluetooth work fine. NFC still intact. I fixed it onto the plate in position.
@rubiicon59 that should answer your question too
I was planning to post a tutorial. Haven't been able to take out enough time though.
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What if I want to use a 2-mm thick acrylic as my black plate? Is it possible? Because I am afraid that it will exceed the metal frame of the phone and it will ended up looking terrible:crying:
I agree, I think 1.0mm would be more suitable.
At 2mm, you might get an M4 Aqua kind of look hahaha
aawawa said:
Dropped z2 yday ;/ it was one of my frenchies who jumped on me, phone fall first on screen, than on back glass and finaly landed in dogs water bowl. took it out right away, screen ok, back glass broken and no visible sign of any water entered.
I want to replace the broken glass deck, but to make it so that phone will still be wateproof.. Anyone have any experiance with that? If so, where did you order back glass and did it come with adhesive coating ..?
Thanks for all answers!
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I believe that if the broken glass was the only issue, and you use a original replacement part, or decent adhesive tape to glue them back together, you'll have no problem. I've had the same issue few weeks ago, replaced the screen and the phone didn't experienced any problem when submerged.
Do anyone now where can I get an official or a good quality back glass for my xperia z2, I broke the original one but i don't want to replace with one without any quality.
buy a nice "glue" to fix that..
My 2 week old s6 edge screen has cracked. It has been in the clear view case the whole time, never dropped and today i saw a crack that runs straight from the left hand edge near the bottom all the way to the top in the middle of the phone.
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My 2 week old s6 edge screen has cracked. It has been in the clear view case the whole time, never dropped and today i saw a crack that runs straight from the left hand edge near the bottom all the way to the top in the middle of the phone.
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Sorry for your loss man!
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Pics or it never happened. Maybe you were just unaware when it hit something hard or maybe squished in your pocket.
Im pretty sure i got a dud unit because gorilla glass 4 should be tough as nails.
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Im pretty sure i got a dud unit because gorilla glass 4 should be tough as nails.
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I'm sure it's not! my 2 days old s6 edge already got a scratch on the screen! I put it in my pocket all the time with no other stuff. I'm thinking of exchanging it.
The screen scratches very easily.
It scratches easy yes, but it shouldn't really crack easily.
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It scratches easy yes, but it shouldn't really crack easily.
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Cracks in hard materials tend to start and propagate along weak spots, therefore scratched glass cracks much more easily than smooth glass. The whole trick to Gorilla Glass is to produce as smooth a surface as possible, and to harden the surface to make it more resistant to scratching, thus less prone to cracking. So, if it scratches easily, it probably cracks easily too.
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/en/technology/technology-overview
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Cracks in hard materials tend to start and propagate along weak spots, therefore scratched glass cracks much more easily than smooth glass. The whole trick to Gorilla Glass is to produce as smooth a surface as possible, and to harden the surface to make it more resistant to scratching, thus less prone to cracking. So, if it scratches easily, it probably cracks easily too.
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/en/technology/technology-overview
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I actually think its the coating on the glass that that scratches rather than the glass itself personally, Corning didn't really make a big deal about scratch proofing with GG4 but more about shatter resistance.
Either way I don't think a light surface scratch (not a deep gouge) should cause a crack, and if it does then I'd expect it to be covered.
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I actually think its the coating on the glass that that scratches rather than the glass itself personally, Corning didn't really make a big deal about scratch proofing with GG4 but more about shatter resistance.
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Per the article I linked above, two important features of Corning's manufacturing process are to prevent surface imperfections in manufacturing and hardening the surface of the glass to prevent scratching (a form of surface imperfection) in use. Those two things are what make Gorilla Glass more shatter resistant then traditional glass.
OUTSTANDING SURFACE QUALITY:
Corning’s proprietary fusion process gives Gorilla Glass the same superior surface as all of our high technology display substrates. This extraordinarily precise, highly automated process produces glass with exceptionally clean, smooth, flat surfaces and outstanding optical clarity.
DAMAGE RESISTANCE:
Gorilla Glass is chemically strengthened through an ion-exchange process that creates a deep compression layer ["hardening" in laymen's terms] on the surface of the glass substrate. This layer acts as “armor” to reduce the introduction of flaws.
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madpete said:
Either way I don't think a light surface scratch (not a deep gouge) should cause a crack, and if it does then I'd expect it to be covered.
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Nearly every piece of glass in your life is cut by intentionally scratching it followed by a light application of force. Here's a video of a man cutting 19mm (3/4") thick glass. The depth of the cut is a tiny fraction of the thickness of the material. You might even think of it as a "light surface scratch," as you say above. And he didn't have to drop it from a height of 6' break it.
My suspicion is that Corning has not yet perfected the manufacturing process for complex shapes, given the number of complaints of scratched and broken displays on the S6 Edge.
same here
damn.. the same thing happened to me just about 10 minutes ago. The difference is that it happend when the phone was in my own hands and I was peacefully browsing.. all of a sudden I heard a soft cracking sound. mine is also 2 weeks old, it is always in its case and literally there is not even a tiny scratch on it. Front and rear glass is like brand new. Wtf???
Going to pay a visit to the local Samsung service point..
Any updates...?
Hi there, any updates on this?
I just recognized this phrase in the starting post: "today i saw a crack that runs straight from the left hand edge near the bottom all the way to the top in the middle of the phone."
Almost exactly like mine! Mine is starting approximately from the middle of the left edge, curving up to the top. Could this be a coincidence? Anyway I brought mine to the local
service point on Monday and no questions or interrogation... I was told that it will be ready within a week or two. Something smells a bit fishy, but let's just hope that this will not
happen to more and more people.
Same exact thing happened to my screen.
I have the same exact crack in my screen. This HAS to be a design flaw. Samsung and T-Mobile were no help. They told me to shell out the money to get it fixed. I've only has it for 1 month!!!
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I have the same exact crack in my screen. This HAS to be a design flaw. Samsung and T-Mobile were no help. They told me to shell out the money to get it fixed. I've only has it for 1 month!!!
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Hi,
How did it happen? Was it in use, or in a case, pockets or elsewhere at the time it happened?
We should compare our phones' manufacturing place, probably this is no coincidence from now on... I have mine at home, but will check it later today and post it.
Mine is also from T-Mobile... How strange. Can I ask which country are you guys from? I'm from Hungary.
Will get back to this thread when I get back home.
edit: you can use your IMEI number to identify the manufacturing place, there are plenty of places on the web where you can do this.
Just checked mine...
If you cannot find a good analyzer online, just check the imei, remove the first SIX digits, note the next two, and you should have 7 digits remaining.
Mine is ike: xxxxxx-06-xxxxxxx - this means that it was manufactured in Hong Kong, China, or Mexico.
Here are the codes:
01 or 10: Finland
(Mobile manufactures in Finland are of the best quality)
00: Original factory made mobile
(Mobiles manufactures in original factory are of best quality)
02 or 20: Emirates
(Mobiles manufactured in Emirates are of Average to good quality)
30 or 03: Korea
(Mobiles manufactured in Korea are of good quality)
04 or 40: China
(Mobiles manufactured in china are average as well as good quality but not as good as 00, 01 or 10)
05 or 50: Brazil, USA or Finland
(Good quality mobiles)
06 or 60: Hong Kong, China or Mexico
(Average quality mobile phones)
08 or 80: Germany
This indicates that your mobile is manufactured in Germany and is of fair quality.
13: Azerbaijan
Mobiles manufactured in this country are of low to medium quality
source: deohill.com
Anyone else? I'm getting really curious...
Mine cracked too, had mine for 3 days and it cracked from the top right all the way to the bottom left. I have no idea what caused it to happen as it was always handled with care.
cracked in a week
My screen just cracked after one week of purchase. I noticed a bubble on the left side of the screen, I touched it and the screen spilt from left to right. Never dropped, in a heavy duty case, with a screen protector. My imei number is 06 according to the post above.
I spoke to Samsung and they said that this is considered damage to to phone and that it would void my warranty, but seeing how it has only been a week they would see what they could do.
When asked if this is a common problem he responded that this was the first call of this nature.. hmm
I'll let you guys know how it turns out for meeting. As for the rest of you, I suggest calling samsung and referring them to this forum.
3 week crack
I had the same issue, I have checked other forums and have not seen anything in regards to this besides this thread. I had a case on it from the moment I took it out the packaging. The phone was never mishandled or dropped the case is perfect and always stayed in either my pocket with no other items or on a flat surface. Took the phone out of my pocket after not looking at it for a couple of hours and saw the crack on the right side that extends up and down the entire side and through the exact center of the phone.
At first the phone still functioned normally but now the screen does not work at all. Has anyone else experienced this? I called samsung and verizon and went into the local verizon wireless store and they all told me the normal shpeel about how they don't recognize this as a problem and I needed to pay for the repairs.
After 3 weeks of struggling...
Finally. Relief.
I contacted Samsung, after T-Mobile's official service told me that I am the one who caused the screen to crack, despite T-mobile's official resolution that the phone has NO signs of any physical damage.
Samsung requested the original documents I have received after the purchase. I have also sent them the photos I made from several angles showing the crack. After a few days they contacted me,
apologized for the inconvenience and offered to replace the damaged screen.
All in all, this ended well. Hope you guys can achieve this soon, I suggest everyone to inquire at Samsung.
ps.: a friend of mine had the same issue with a regular S6 (not the edge version). Considering this and the above posts, something smells fishy...
Has anyone experienced the digitizer stop working along where the crack is after it happened?
So, been using my Spigen Rugged Armour case recently after my dbrand skins pealed away at the top.
Anyway, came to take the case off and noticed lots of silver spots!
It appears something has got inside the case and made tiny dents all over the back and side of the phone!
The pic isn't great, can take a better pic when I get home.
Just can't believe that I have been using a case to protect my phone only to have something attack it
I also noticed just one of those silver spots (not a dent, like the color just rubbed off) after using the Verus case. Graphite model as well.
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I also noticed just one of those silver spots (not a dent, like the color just rubbed off) after using the Verus case. Graphite model as well.
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Got loads on mine, have taken the case off now. Had nothing but problems using a case with this phone.
Im also using the same spigen case, Got annoying smudges on the bottom side of the phone which im not able to clean it.
It's the paint coming off and i think users have reported it and like a while back as well
And also majority to graphite color
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Need's a vaccination!
I have a Verus case on my black 6p. When I put it on and off just a couple of times (to clean the dust from between the case and phone), the entire phone warped due to the pressure of taking the case off.
So I'm holding the bottom of the phone with my left hand, and popping out one of the top corners with my right hand. After I did this a few times, my phone wouldn't lay flat. Then I saw a crease near the volume rocker where the warp happened. I've never seen anything like this and I returned it the following day.
That's why I take of my case (to clean both the back and the case itself) every day after I take a shower.
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haha, to be fair i was considering buying a new aluminium coloured back panel and replacing it...
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I have a Verus case on my black 6p. When I put it on and off just a couple of times (to clean the dust from between the case and phone), the entire phone warped due to the pressure of taking the case off.
So I'm holding the bottom of the phone with my left hand, and popping out one of the top corners with my right hand. After I did this a few times, my phone wouldn't lay flat. Then I saw a crease near the volume rocker where the warp happened. I've never seen anything like this and I returned it the following day.
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You should have removed the frame (or bumper) first, then the case itself..
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You should have removed the frame (or bumper) first, then the case itself..
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I just had to re-read that after your comment. Yeeeeeeep. That's user error, sorry mate. I use the same case and no warping at all. I take it out a lot and switch between the flimsy one that Google sold with it. You always have to remove the frame first, then just kinda peel off the soft part. To state the obvious, you need to do that with every 2-piece case with every phone. If it simply popped out of the case with little to no effort, it wouldn't be very effective, would it?
I would probably be more upset about the spots if I didn't always have a case on it. I'm guessing since it's aluminum, the phone is anodized? That doesn't last forever. It does wear off after a while. I've used other products that were anodized (both aluminum and titanium) and the color never really held up after regular usage so I'm not too upset about it. For me it's a non issue. I don't sell my old phones, I still have my GNex and N5, so it's not like I'm upset it may impact the resale value or anything like that.
If you look into anodizing, it does wear off through normal use (jewelry is a big one) and is completely normal, so I'm not bent out of shape about it. It happens.
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I just had to re-read that after your comment. Yeeeeeeep. That's user error, sorry mate. I use the same case and no warping at all. I take it out a lot and switch between the flimsy one that Google sold with it. You always have to remove the frame first, then just kinda peel off the soft part. To state the obvious, you need to do that with every 2-piece case with every phone. If it simply popped out of the case with little to no effort, it wouldn't be very effective, would it?
I would probably be more upset about the spots if I didn't always have a case on it. I'm guessing since it's aluminum, the phone is anodized? That doesn't last forever. It does wear off after a while. I've used other products that were anodized (both aluminum and titanium) and the color never really held up after regular usage so I'm not too upset about it. For me it's a non issue. I don't sell my old phones, I still have my GNex and N5, so it's not like I'm upset it may impact the resale value or anything like that.
If you look into anodizing, it does wear off through normal use (jewelry is a big one) and is completely normal, so I'm not bent out of shape about it. It happens.
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User error or not, but the phone case shouldn't be more rigid than the device it's protecting.
Using Caruzer Lite
My Nexus olso has Chickenpox :/
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User error or not, but the phone case shouldn't be more rigid than the device it's protecting.
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Ummm... No comment.
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Maybe I phrased this wrong.
The device shouldn't be as pliable as the case.