I see a lot of talk about the memory and how much is available. but I was wondering about installation of apps-
1, Where are they installed to?
2. How much room is there for them?
3. Is this shared with the RAM memory?
I'm keen to upgrade to an Android phone, but if the app storage is small then this would put me off.
So far app storage for me has not been a problem and I have been downloading a few. I have 102MB still free. Not sure how much was there to begin with though...
The memory for app storage is separate from the RAM - like it should be on WiMo and Symbian handsets.
If you root the Hero you can store apps on the SD card, though I have not done this.
I think unless you go on a download frenzy, you will be fine.
Most apps will allow storage of their cache / data on the SD in their settings menu - such as FeedR (RSS feed app), Twidroid (Twitter app) etc.
it really is nothing to worry about...i had to test a magic for my work a few months ago and one of the tests was to fill the internal memory and then try and use the phone...they'd had issues with windows mobile obviously....and it took over 130 apps installed before it got anywhere near full and still it worked fine for standard use.
seriously, unless you are installing EVERYTHING, then you'll be fine!
That puts my mind at rest. Thank you.
If you do run out of memory, you could always root it. Not that im advocating that or anything ;P
Hello!
Well the day came, my phone storage is full. Now I'm asking for some tips on how to free some memory. I tried to install all I could to SD but for example Fpesece didn't work until installed to device. It seems that Windows folder takes most of the memory so is there something not needed by the systems. I have deleted all the wallpapers and music and old opera version exe and everything remotely useless. I now have 22MB free out of 175MB. How much free space is needed for system to run smoothly, Youtube stopped working when I had less then 10MB free.
And I haven't installed all that much programs to device, some minor tweaks and Fpesece so it makes this even harder to understand where the free space has gone. And the obvious, all my mails, txt and so on goes to SD and I have been using the phone for 5 months already.
Appreciate all help!
Download "sktools" or "pocket mechanic", something like that anyway and run the cleanup option, that should give you some breathing room.
I usually only have around 50mb free after the weekly cleanup.....
Lurittelija said:
Hello!
Well the day came, my phone storage is full. Now I'm asking for some tips on how to free some memory. I tried to install all I could to SD but for example Fpesece didn't work until installed to device. It seems that Windows folder takes most of the memory so is there something not needed by the systems. I have deleted all the wallpapers and music and old opera version exe and everything remotely useless. I now have 22MB free out of 175MB. How much free space is needed for system to run smoothly, Youtube stopped working when I had less then 10MB free.
And I haven't installed all that much programs to device, some minor tweaks and Fpesece so it makes this even harder to understand where the free space has gone. And the obvious, all my mails, txt and so on goes to SD and I have been using the phone for 5 months already.
Appreciate all help!
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With my HD2 I found I would continually run out of space. The culprit turned out to be the Opera Downloads directory (/windows/opera/profiles/download).
I mention that because although Opera showed no files in the Downloads directory via Opera settings, when I actually inspected the directory there was about 80mb of files in there.
Deleted the files and moved both the Opera cache and the Opera downloads to the storage card via the opera:config settings and I no longer have a problem with the main storage space filling up.
The other thing that did make a difference was specifying in the mail app that attachments should be stored on the storage card as well.
also googlemaps cache.thats the biggest culprit....install gmaps on sd card and remove the files on device memory
Has anyone got any recommendations on the best way to move my app data to SD Card on the Z2? For example the 1-2GB of data that many larger games download to internal storage, I'd like to put that onto the SD Card. I know there'll be a performance hit, but I want to be able to play around with it and at least give it a try to see how the performance is anyway.
I'm currently running the .402 firmware and am rooted without unlocking the bootloader.
I've tried FolderMount but the UI is rather sparse/counter-intuitive and the three apps I tried with on the free version seemed to either break entirely, or just re-downloaded their data back to internal storage.
I've checked out the ROM Toolbox, but the options to move to SD card are greyed out on every game I check, as is the convert to user app option (as I assume games downloaded from the Play Store are already set as User apps).
Folder mount should work fine, the problem is if you haven't set it to auto mount after boot, or you open the app before mounting is complete it won't find the data and thus redownloads it. Working fine with Co-pilot for me.
I did have it set to Auto-Mount after boot and was waiting for the progress bar to finish saying it had moved the data before trying to open the apps.
I think one of the main things I didn't like about the app was also the interface. It seemed impossible to actually undo anything once it was done, in the free version at least. Does the full version have a more fleshed out interface?
No, only difference is the limit on number of pairs is removed, long click on the pair should allow you to amend details of pairing. Yes UI is spare but it does work.
Greetings.
I've had the pleasure to deal with many android devices, ranging from the very first EVO 4G to a rooted nook and KFire, galaxy tab, and my current GAlaxy S4. Nonetheless I've noted a pattern that hopefully one or several of you can help with...
I usually have SD cards that are larger than the native storage of most of my devices however.... I always run out of room for apps. I wouldn't say I install everything I See but I do install apps I need for work (medical apps) which for the most part don't exactly take much space but some are known to take 300-1Gb at most. Anyway, my devices always seem to fill the native storage while the SD Card remains fairly unused. Here is an example of my phone.
So my main gripe/issue is: My SD cards are always fairly empty and only have contents I've actively copied over to them from my desktop or notebook. I am under the impression that most programs do not install the data to SD Card and use the native storage instead. Is there anyway this can change? Any tips to get more space (besides backing up pictures and deleting those, 700+ mb!).
Thank you in advance!
good question.
theartofbone said:
Greetings.
I've had the pleasure to deal with many android devices, ranging from the very first EVO 4G to a rooted nook and KFire, galaxy tab, and my current GAlaxy S4. Nonetheless I've noted a pattern that hopefully one or several of you can help with...
I usually have SD cards that are larger than the native storage of most of my devices however.... I always run out of room for apps. I wouldn't say I install everything I See but I do install apps I need for work (medical apps) which for the most part don't exactly take much space but some are known to take 300-1Gb at most. Anyway, my devices always seem to fill the native storage while the SD Card remains fairly unused. Here is an example of my phone.
So my main gripe/issue is: My SD cards are always fairly empty and only have contents I've actively copied over to them from my desktop or notebook. I am under the impression that most programs do not install the data to SD Card and use the native storage instead. Is there anyway this can change? Any tips to get more space (besides backing up pictures and deleting those, 700+ mb!).
Thank you in advance!
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I am in agreement with you, as I have progressed thru numerous phones too. After going the route of the first moto linux phone and then jumping aboard the Android system when the first G1 came out from HTC and have always had similiar problems.
There original solution was special purpose apps that would allow you to backup your apps to SD card, then other apps came along to allow you to actually run apps from SD Card but seems that not all apps can actually be accessed from SD card. I havent kept up with it all like I first did and have become rather lazy and carefree or even sloppy with how I maintain my devices files and apps organized. Much now to an overwhelming large mess of old devices and storage media not to mention profiles tied to email google accounts. Its difficult to even start over as every device wants to have a profile to sync to. It could entirely be possible to top out the memory on a brand new device after snyc to one or two profiles.
Also it seems for the average consumer that has a unrooted device it is impossible to thoroughly clean or interrogate the internal device memory . seems like the revisions of the android operating system makes file management of internal memory even more difficult to manage.
I didnt want to get too carried away but I totally feel frustrated as you do, sorry I dont have a solid technical answer to resolve your problem. I am asked all the time to fix my girlfriends tablet and I cant explain it to her where all her memory has disapeared to after a few factory resets. Doesnt seem to matter, if you load alot of apps to just give them a spin for a test ride. Even if you delete or move them to store on sd card . It seems alot of junk files still seem to reside in the internal storage and eventually will eat away at the memory until it gets to the point of inoperability. App managers can make the situatin worse by creating even more orphaned files and junk too. All this stuff is not accessible to view and review and manage.
The only answer is to have a rooted device and the expertise to properly manage this inaccessible memory?
Is there a decent file management that a nonpower consumer can rely upon?
Hello all.
After recently obtaining root (see thread asus padfone x mini rooting device) I thought we could all begin to catalog what we have changed. Any app that required root and has proven useful and effective for you, please share it here and I will begin to aggregate all of the useful tools here in this top post.
Some stuff you might want to try after rooting
(Copied from my other thread)
A couple things I did with my phone after root.
1. Froze all bloatware. I might remove it later but I felt safer just freezing it with Titanium Backup in case I find out later it screwed something up.
2. Installed a CPU tweaker like 3C ToolBox. If I choose any governor besides interactive, the phone crashes, freezes and just won't play nice. But I have it set to on boot interactive, 1.33GHz - 1.6GHz and no problem. Phone is much faster now. Also for screen off I have ondemand 800MHZ - 933MHz with 1 CPU online, 2nd free and 3rd offline. Ondemand seems to work fine in screen off maybe because I am not accessing apps on the fly. Before root this phone would suck away the battery life and I would only be able to get 6 hours out of it. I assume it was because all the CPU's were online running high and lows and draining the battery as well as the bloatware just lingering in the background sucking up precious resources. I was right. Once I forced the screen off settings my battery now last 3-4x longer. I can have a full charge in the morning and it still be at about 50% - 60% late at night with the occasional checking emails, checking on a game or two and surfing the web. Awesome!
3. On a more important note, I HATED the AT&T boot up sound. Dun dun dun dun snap. Awful! At night it wakes my wife up when I am in bed needing to reboot my phone. I had to smother it with a pillow to muffle the sound. There was no way to change or quiet it. It was a forced noise on a forced volume. However, I used X-Plore, gave it root and navigated to /system/media/audio and renamed powerup.wav to powerup.wav.bak. No more annoying AT&T sound at bootup! Whoohoo! It is quiet as can be. Love it.
4. I also hated the low battery noise. So I went to /system/media/audio/ui and renamed lowbattery.ogg to lowbattery.ogg.bak and now no more annoying low battery notifications. Only the popup window notifies me. Yay! Progress!
5. Installed SD Fix! Finally! My 3rd party apps can now write to my external micro SD card. This allows for installing apps to SD, moving their data and just overall more usage of the micro sd card that was stupidly blocked when KitKat 4.2.2 was released. I don't care if it has more security risks. Unless they plan on making 64GB+ a standard for all phones for built-in memory, I need my micro sd card to work as intended.
This phone is 100% better because of root. Happy rooting!
How in the world do you move apps to the sd card? I did the SD fix but there is no option to move apps to sd.
Moving apps to SD
pjohnson87 said:
How in the world do you move apps to the sd card? I did the SD fix but there is no option to move apps to sd.
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I should of been more clear on moving apps to sd. Sorry about that. The operating system doesn't support apps to sd currently at least to my knowledge. Asus will have to come out with an update to their own OS or maybe someone here can do it. However, using the sd fix brings down one more obstacle to getting apps to sd working. Or, just wait for a custom rom.
NEED ROOT!
How was root obtained?!
JDubbed said:
(Copied from my other thread)
A couple things I did with my phone after root.
1. Froze all bloatware. I might remove it later but I felt safer just freezing it with Titanium Backup in case I find out later it screwed something up.
2. Installed a CPU tweaker like 3C ToolBox. If I choose any governor besides interactive, the phone crashes, freezes and just won't play nice. But I have it set to on boot interactive, 1.33GHz - 1.6GHz and no problem. Phone is much faster now. Also for screen off I have ondemand 800MHZ - 933MHz with 1 CPU online, 2nd free and 3rd offline. Ondemand seems to work fine in screen off maybe because I am not accessing apps on the fly. Before root this phone would suck away the battery life and I would only be able to get 6 hours out of it. I assume it was because all the CPU's were online running high and lows and draining the battery as well as the bloatware just lingering in the background sucking up precious resources. I was right. Once I forced the screen off settings my battery now last 3-4x longer. I can have a full charge in the morning and it still be at about 50% - 60% late at night with the occasional checking emails, checking on a game or two and surfing the web. Awesome!
3. On a more important note, I HATED the AT&T boot up sound. Dun dun dun dun snap. Awful! At night it wakes my wife up when I am in bed needing to reboot my phone. I had to smother it with a pillow to muffle the sound. There was no way to change or quiet it. It was a forced noise on a forced volume. However, I used X-Plore, gave it root and navigated to /system/media/audio and renamed powerup.wav to powerup.wav.bak. No more annoying AT&T sound at bootup! Whoohoo! It is quiet as can be. Love it.
4. I also hated the low battery noise. So I went to /system/media/audio/ui and renamed lowbattery.ogg to lowbattery.ogg.bak and now no more annoying low battery notifications. Only the popup window notifies me. Yay! Progress!
5. Installed SD Fix! Finally! My 3rd party apps can now write to my external micro SD card. This allows for installing apps to SD, moving their data and just overall more usage of the micro sd card that was stupidly blocked when KitKat 4.2.2 was released. I don't care if it has more security risks. Unless they plan on making 64GB+ a standard for all phones for built-in memory, I need my micro sd card to work as intended.
This phone is 100% better because of root. Happy rooting!
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The phone is dual core so why set three cpu's
the phone is set from factory with interactive 1.6GHz max but it's low is like 200 I checked it out with pimp my rom but didn't change or keep any tweets as my battery life is fine
SDK fix is important you can't even delete files off SDK without it I believe bloat is what causes battery drain trilla the rooting thread top post works
My mod list
Ok, so I wanted to post a reply to this to list what I have done after root access was obtained.
1. I installed Titainum and removed most of the bloatware from AT&T, along with some of the random stuff I don't need.
2. I installed permissions denied to remove permissions from apps and games that don't need access to things like my contacts or network access.
3. Installed busy box and terminal emulator so I have some basic linux commands and can configure my iptables firewall. (on a side note I am still looking at how to install the "netfilter" kernel module to allow droidwall firewall and network logging)
4. Still working on enabling WiFi tether. ( I use Straight Talk, not AT&T )
5. Installed ES File Explorer and gave it root permissions.
6. This doesn't really require root but I added Owncloud for my cloud storage on my own server, Subsonic for music streaming on my own server, carddav for syncing contacts from my own server and configured my email from my own email server. I like to keep all of my information on my server rather then Google's servers, and I am so far completely disconnected from Google other then using their servers to get my apps I use.
Once I get #4 and #5 finished and all my apps I use installed I will be stripping everything "Google" related out of the device including all of google play's services, Gmail and any background services not needed. Since Google wants to use their services for tracking user data I don't feel the need to keep them...
GE3K.me said:
Since Google wants to use their services for tracking user data I don't feel the need to keep them...
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doesnt matter if you use google,microsoft/bing, or any other service, all of them track you no matter what you try to do. i just avoid putting anything detrimental to me on my phones. no credit card data, no ss numbers, etc. all else is basically public knowledge anyway
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Cognacentertainment said:
doesnt matter if you use google,microsoft/bing, or any other service, all of them track you no matter what you try to do. i just avoid putting anything detrimental to me on my phones. no credit card data, no ss numbers, etc. all else is basically public knowledge anyway
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Yes, all of the above invade our privacy which is why all of my email, cloud storage, and music is hosted on my own server at my house and secured with SSL encryption. I don't use microsoft, google or apple for my personal information, but I keep a gmail account for a junk mail account (not connected to my phone) and exchange for work. Also my phone is encrypted as well as my text messaging database (text secure). Now I know this does not fix all vulnerabilities but it sure does reduce them and make me feel better that my information is for the better part under my control. As far as credit card data, if I were to even consider putting that on my phone or even my SS number it would all be stored under an encrypted database.
I also do not use public hotspots since that would just open a whole other world of vulnerabilities.
JDubbed said:
I should of been more clear on moving apps to sd. Sorry about that. The operating system doesn't support apps to sd currently at least to my knowledge. Asus will have to come out with an update to their own OS or maybe someone here can do it. However, using the sd fix brings down one more obstacle to getting apps to sd working. Or, just wait for a custom rom.
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After I rooted my Mini X, I just re-partitioned my 64gb external micro sd into 3 parts. 50 gb as ntfs for regular storage, 10 gb as ext4 for link2sd app to create a link for moving apps to the sd. and the rest which was a little over 3 gb or so as swap space to help with the 1gb low ram using memory swap for root. I keep all of my important apps on the 8 gb internal phone storage... or 4gb and the rest of them go to the 10 gb reserved within the partition i created on the sd. as far as "memory swap for root" goes. It took some time to figure out how to use the swap partition, because the location /dev/block/mmcblk1p3 didn't exist. but after I rebooted everything worked as it should have. Now my mini x which is running net 10 can outrun the zenfone 5 on the antutu benchmark. There is a little glitch when you reboot, which is probably the sd mounting but after that everything runs much faster. Considering how crappy it ran from being stock. I almost took it back.
Still waiting for cwm and cyanogenmod to meet this phone. I hope this trick helped you I won't be around much online to make a step by step how to on this. Considering i am currently a laser technician and working 12 hour shifts at the moment. But to format the micro i used "full wipe" and to create partitions i used "AParted" by sylkat tools
GE3K.me said:
3. Installed busy box and terminal emulator so I have some basic linux commands and can configure my iptables firewall. (on a side note I am still looking at how to install the "netfilter" kernel module to allow droidwall firewall and network logging)
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I bought a Zenfone 5 and after rooting, I just discovered that the kernel does not support netfilter, so Droidwall cannot work !! :crying:
why Asus doesnt have this ? wish I had known earlier.
rht_sg said:
I bought a Zenfone 5 and after rooting, I just discovered that the kernel does not support netfilter, so Droidwall cannot work !! :crying:
why Asus doesnt have this ? wish I had known earlier.
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Yeah, I actually returned my Asus Padfone because I couldn't use netfilter. I needed it for network logging and Droidwall, so it was kinda a deal breaker... I ended up getting a Sony Xperia T2 unlocked and rooting it, so far everything I needed is working better then I would hoped with the Sony.
I wish you luck with your Zenfone.
Custom ROM ?
Hey all,
I'm new to the padfone x mini seeing that my note 2 finally said I give up.. But what has to happen to get a ROM oor this thing.. It seems to me that the padfone x mini has a decent amount of potential here!.. I am no developer and have never done so but I know my way around d a PC and I know my way around linux a bit. I would just like to know where to start for developing a ROM for this phone and my first actually... Any help or guidance in the proper direction is much appreciated.
Factory rom backup?
Did anyone do a backup? We're really going to need one.
I installed Root Booster which made my phone actually stable. It hasn't crashed since I installed it and paid for the high stability mode.
Removed a lot of the Google and AT&T apps. The GOOGLE app itself and the Play Music, Play Videos, Play Books, etc. were removed with the store intact and related services left alone.
Performance jumped up once I removed the "Google" app named essentially just that, "Google".
But most importantly, it is stable. Like when I installed Lollipop on the Padfone X regular, this one makes the tablet worth it and proves that AT&T destroyed yet another device with its idiocy. But I'm running this on T-Mobile since the device itself was unlocked when I got mine for $99.
Also, I reinstalled the Google Music, Video apps since you can but I wanted to remove the default version that comes preinstalled with the ROM. BUT make sure to use System app remover (ROOT) by Jumobile. If you uninstall too much, this lets you restore it right back. Just don't purge the recycle bin.