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Hi all,
Looking to buy a new phone for the wife, and I think it's time to get her one (she's still using a Nokia N80, haha). I didn't play around with the actual Mini 10 yet, but I played with Android on my Topaz and I like it (as a system). I imagine it'll run much faster on a dedicated piece of hw.
So I'm just seeing what everyone here thinks of X10 mini pro phone and if anyone has dropped it (she's clumsy), or if there are any known issues. It's for her, so she'll just be using it and not needing to root it or anything else.
Questions:
Speed, does it flow well, and how do you think it will hold up to Froyo? (if it becomes available)
How is the hardware in real life (does the keyboard last, how about dropping it?)
Are there any real popular problems with the hardware/software?
Real life battery? My Topaz needs to be charged mid-day, with EDGE on only
Anything that required you to root it so it does the job better?
How is it as a phone for text messages and chatting? Annoying, or just takes getting used to?
Let me know your thoughts,
Thanx!
My girlfriend has the x10 mini (not pro), but as nobody has replied yet I thought I'd make a quick post as they are almost the same hardware-wise I thought it might be useful.
Speed, does it flow well, and how do you think it will hold up to Froyo? (if it becomes available)
its very fast, really quick and snappy to move around the menus/apps, you can tell the difference between it and my hero (using stock rom) for example.
I dont see why it wouldnt handle FroYo well, my Hero is currently running 2.2 with no problems and as the X10mini has a slightly better ram/processor it should do it equally if not better than my hero does.
How is the hardware in real life (does the keyboard last, how about dropping it?)
I think the phones a bit small, by the g/f loves it, fits in her hand and more importantly her purse for a night out so she's more than happy. dont have the keyboard so cant comment on that.
as for dropping it, she did that after 2 days and took a small chunk out of one of the buttons and scratched the screen, 3 days after that she dropped it down the toilet and fried the little bugger (thank god for insurance!) The non removable battery was the killer as we couldn't shut it down quick enough to try and dry it out.
Are there any real popular problems with the hardware/software?
the non-removable battery is a pain as you cant pull it out when the phone crashes (it has done this a couple of times for her now), software wise its not the greatest android experience as SE have customised it a lot compared to the stock roms from HTC, but the g/f prefers it as its much simpler and she's not a tech geek like me so it doesn't bother her
Real life battery? My Topaz needs to be charged mid-day, with EDGE on only
a few people on here say they get a couple of days out of it, not sure how myself, the g/f is currently charging it every night, sometimes it will last till the following morning but she does use it a lot tho (avid facebook fan) am sure we could improve it tho by turning off the GPS, WiFi etc but she wants everything left on as otherwise theres no point buying a phone that has all these features if you turn them off to save battery. it lasts a full day with heavy use so pretty good really.
Anything that required you to root it so it does the job better?
I rooted it so I could remove all the god awful demo's that sony/orange have planted on there as they were doing her nut in, I also popped titanium backup on there and shootme for screenshots, other than that its probably not needed.
How is it as a phone for text messages and chatting? Annoying, or just takes getting used to?
like any phone, I think there is a small amount of getting used to it, but as my missus has come from a touchscreen phone relatively the same size, she has taken to it with ease. she sits their quiet happily tapping away. Obviously she doesnt have the hardware keyboard so cant comment on how it is using that.
Speed, does it flow well, and how do you think it will hold up to Froyo? (if it becomes available)
It's a brilliantly speedy device, menus flow well and there's never lag when loading new screens. Sometimes there'll be a slight lag when waking the phone up from sleep, but it's just as bad as any other device.
How is the hardware in real life (does the keyboard last, how about dropping it?)
The keyboard is a great addition to the phone, although it can sound a little bit cheap from the plastic squeaking, but that's only because the device is so small. I haven't dropped it yet but it seems sturdy enough judging by the close encounters I've had with it, the back cover seems to be made of a scratch resistant material anyway so it'll not get banged up too easily. In all honesty the screen could be better, I was a little disheartened when I was comparing it to a friends iPhone just to see the difference. However it's still an ample screen, text is clear and web browsing is a breeze. Although it can become cluttered very easily.
Are there any real popular problems with the hardware/software?
The only thing I was concerned about was the screen size, but it's given me nothing to be worried about. The software has a few bugs here and there, such as Wi-Fi dropping randomly, but these should be ironed out with the next update. Overall there are no 'problems' that should stop you from buying the phone.
Real life battery? My Topaz needs to be charged mid-day, with EDGE on only
With heavy usage I can get about a day and a half out of it - that's including Wi-Fi, the odd bit of GPS and constant music playing as well as apps, web browsing and regular texting, but I charge it every night as that's what I've always done with any phone I've had.
Anything that required you to root it so it does the job better?
I rooted mine so I could get around that nasty implication of having a lower-than-normal resolution screen, that is, half of the apps on the market don't show up. But rooting allowed me to use the patched market from a thread on here and all apps work great, the system scales them down anyway so everything's good. Rooting also allowed me to install an app which blocks all ads in apps - I know it's not the most moral thing to do, but with a screen so small you need that extra space taken up by an ad.
How is it as a phone for text messages and chatting? Annoying, or just takes getting used to?
I've had no problems while texting or chatting. The keyboard is excellent, although the addition of a spell-ckecker when using the keyboard wouldn't go amiss. The on-screen keyboard is great too, brilliantly responsive allowing for quick texting.
"The keyboard is a great addition to the phone, although it can sound a little bit cheap from the plastic squeaking"
Does the keyboard close securely? I've stayed away from sliding keyboards for a long time because they tend to open in my pocket. This device is so small, I have to give it a try when it hits the US.
Also, are there landscape keyboards that you can put on the mini?
I haven't used android yet...
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Could you explain pls?
Baxter said:
"The keyboard is a great addition to the phone, although it can sound a little bit cheap from the plastic squeaking"
Does the keyboard close securely? I've stayed away from sliding keyboards for a long time because they tend to open in my pocket. This device is so small, I have to give it a try when it hits the US.
Also, are there landscape keyboards that you can put on the mini?
I haven't used android yet...
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Yeah the keyboard closes securely. Hasn't opened up in my pocket yet. Not too sure about the Mini as I don't own one.
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App developers usually design their apps to work on a device with a HVGA resolution. However, because the resolution on the X10 Mini is QVGA, some apps do not show up in the market due to HVGA resolution screens being a requirement. Read this thread for more info
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App developers usually design their apps to work on a device with a HVGA resolution. However, because the resolution on the X10 Mini is QVGA, some apps do not show up in the market due to HVGA resolution screens being a requirement. Read this thread for more info
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Thank you
Thanks for the replies guys. The only thing that's making me hesitant about picking it up right now is the lack of damn firmware updates for this thing. SE only cares about their phones for the time that they're out. When the new model comes out, they stop updating the older ones.
I love Froyo on my Topaz and I want it on here before Q4, since that's when Win Phone 7's are coming out. It'll be hesitant, but if I buy it, you'll be the first to know.
The resolution hack seems like something that's much needed. Thanks!
Sometimes when I hold my tablet in a certain spot (usually right side) and let go... the backing makes some sort of clicking sound. The device doesn't feel flimsy to me, as other have complain... but that noise worries me.
Have others experience this clicking sound when holding their tablet?
Mine did this — it felt like the glue holding the backing in place was coming unstuck. I also found that if I pressed on the back, the pressure point showed on the screen and even engaged the touch sensor.
This along with other annoyances (screen shadow along bottom edge, a dead pixel, diagonal lines on screen and breaking of Firefox Sync by Sony Android OS) made me return it. I expect a $600 to be well-built and last at least 2 years and this glue unsticking spoke of shoddy design and a short product life.
My original Xoom cost the same and is still fully functional and unblemished. I was hoping the Xperia would be a worthy replacement, but it was a disappointment.
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Mine did this — it felt like the glue holding the backing in place was coming unstuck.
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That's exactly how I would describe it. I've been trying to find more information about this issue, but not many people have written about it. Do you think this issue is normal for all these tablets, or I got a defective one?
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That's exactly how I would describe it. I've been trying to find more information about this issue, but not many people have written about it. Do you think this issue is normal for all these tablets, or I got a defective one?
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Mine makes the same clicking sound. And I also have the "loose headphone flap". I'll ask for an exchange.
I have the same problem with mine. It feels like the glue is not holding well. Hopefully it can be easily fixed by SONY if it start to cause problems.
One more thing. When you press the loose place it makes screen go white, which worries me a little. No problem if you using case but still something like that shouldn't happen in high end device. Maybe it is thinnest tablet but it is not the strongest
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SmartBugger said:
That's exactly how I would describe it. I've been trying to find more information about this issue, but not many people have written about it. Do you think this issue is normal for all these tablets, or I got a defective one?
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I think you got a defective one. If you have the patience to do the exchange-fix dance with Sony or whatever retailer you bought it from and like everything else about the tablet then you should.
If the just-announced Tegra 4 Toshiba Write hadn't caught my eye, I would probably had tried to exchange it to see if I could get a properly glued one, but that Toshiba is the same price, had a newer processor and is designed for my intended use-case (notetaking), so Sony's lose is Toshiba's gain at least in my case.
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I think you got a defective one. If you have the patience to do the exchange-fix dance with Sony or whatever retailer you bought it from and like everything else about the tablet then you should.
If the just-announced Tegra 4 Toshiba Write hadn't caught my eye, I would probably had tried to exchange it to see if I could get a properly glued one, but that Toshiba is the same price, had a newer processor and is designed for my intended use-case (notetaking), so Sony's lose is Toshiba's gain at least in my case.
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I got it from newegg, and I suspect they will be good about doing an exchange. That being said, I don't want to do an exchange if this problem is very common. So perhaps I should ask... has anyone NOT experience this issue?
The main reason why I got this instead of the nexus 10, was because of its waterproof nature. I want a tablet I can go to the gym with... and not having to worry about sweat/water was a huge selling point for me.
There's really no way of knowing how widespread the issue is without a proper survey of a representative sample of Xperia Tablet Z owners. People on forums tend to go there with problems they have so forums are full of people with problems Not a great sample.
Ultimately, all that you can realistically do is keep exchanging until you get one you like, or you or Newegg lose patience.
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Mine can flex slightly (which triggers recognition on the screen), but I have no clicking sounds or similar things - mine feels very solid and feels top-notch otherwise, but I wouldn't be surprised if Sony's quality control for Japanese units was tighter.
Same thing here SGP321 FROM DUBAI, seems like the glue between the back cover and whatever inside got unstuck...
My xperia tablet Z makes the clicking sound on both the bottom left and right, around the speaker area.
To me it sounds like the paper (or plastic) that is generally found in a (earplug) speaker.
Seeing that the slim design i think it is more then likely that we are pressing on the speaker of the tablet, and not so much the glue coming apart.
If it were the glue then it would most likely be at random places across the tablet. Seeing that we are all reporting the noise in the same general area, which also happens to be the place where the internal speakers are located, i feel that it is the speaker making the clicking (crackling) noise.
Hi look on youtube and search, Opening up Sony's Android Tablet, the Xperia Tablet Z (Teardown) you can see the back cover is stuck on with double sided tape.
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Hi look on youtube and search, Opening up Sony's Android Tablet, the Xperia Tablet Z (Teardown) you can see the back cover is stuck on with double sided tape.
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Here is a link to the video you mentioned.
Opening up Sony's Android Tablet, the Xperia Tablet Z (Teardown)
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Here is a link to the video you mentioned.
Looks easy enough to pop off the back and add some additional tape or silicone adhesive, if you're so inclined.
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I have the same issue. I decided to give it a week or so before returning it to see how much I use it and if there are any other problems. I am nit-picky and the screen colours (greys and whites mainly) are just strange. Greys are red-ish while whites and yellowy, so a screen adjuster app doesn't help at all. Also I get a shadow right around my screen, it's really distracting on things like Falcon Pro in white. The sticky back is still happening and I also found out that I don't really like Android tablets. That, or they're just not ready for me yet. The 16:10 aspect ratio has no advantage to me, just disadvantages, and apps that I want to use just aren't good enough or they're non-existent.
So I'm returning it and waiting for the iPad mini 2. Sorry, but the Nexus 7 felt like a blown up experience of my phone rather than a shrunken down experience of a tablet.
Mister, here are people who use and like Android because of the openness and customizability.
If that isn't important to you, then you are anyway wrong here, and I wish you much fun with your Apple stuff.
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I have the same issue. I decided to give it a week or so before returning it to see how much I use it and if there are any other problems. I am nit-picky and the screen colours (greys and whites mainly) are just strange. Greys are red-ish while whites and yellowy, so a screen adjuster app doesn't help at all. Also I get a shadow right around my screen, it's really distracting on things like Falcon Pro in white.
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I agree with my colors being a little warm, but it's not extreme or bad (my desktop monitor is also set moderately warm). Probably unit variance. What I do have is the 'shadow' on the bottom border, but I'm not unaccustomed to backlight bleed or such. It doesn't bother me much either since usually the black Android system bar is there to begin with.
Sounds like Sony's quality control isn't very tight on international units...
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I agree with my colors being a little warm, but it's not extreme or bad (my desktop monitor is also set moderately warm). Probably unit variance. What I do have is the 'shadow' on the bottom border, but I'm not unaccustomed to backlight bleed or such. It doesn't bother me much either since usually the black Android system bar is there to begin with.
Sounds like Sony's quality control isn't very tight on international units...
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My monitors are every so slightly yellowy, but I was able to use that with a slight colour value change. It seems mine just has odd variables on different tones... quite a bit like my old Galaxy Nexus was like (Yellow whites, green greys and purple dark greys). That's actually why I really dislike AMOLED, so it's a bummer that this IPS panel isn't as accurate as I'd like.
And yeah, really doesn't like they're super tight on the international side. I didn't really want to bother with what could have been back and forth replacements.
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Mister, here are people who use and like Android because of the openness and customizability.
If that isn't important to you, then you are anyway wrong here, and I wish you much fun with your Apple stuff.
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Well look at that, I do actually use and like Android (it's the only mobile OS I use right now). It's just the tabs that aren't up to snuff for me. Openness and customisability is only a good thing if it actually helps make something more useful for me. I find those aspects very useful on my phone. I need to be quick and efficient and I can do that on an Android, but not really on an iPhone. A tablet serves a different purpose for me. It's a leisure/convenience device, I don't need any customisation for it to allow me to do anything faster. Also, my phone has a ton of apps and absolutely all of the ones I want, this Xperia tab doesn't, and definitely not all the apps I consider essential.
Sorry that I have different needs and wants than you, but I'm pretty sure that I'm not wrong in being here because 1) I own the tablet that's in question here and 2) I use Android as my only mobile OS right now and I'll still be using it on my phone for a long time. I wasn't trying to start some petty flame war here, I was just explaining my issues with this tablet and elaborating on why I'm returning it. So let's stay on topic here, huh?
If you're looking for a leisure device, wouldn't 16:10 be more ideal for movies? But I agree on the lack of proper tablet optimized apps. What exactly do you want to do on your tablet though?
If it's web browsing, I feel Android will always deliver a superior experience (I have long tired of constantly reloading tabs on the iPad 3). If it's gaming... well, no argument, iOS usually gets more games.
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If you're looking for a leisure device, wouldn't 16:10 be more ideal for movies? But I agree on the lack of proper tablet optimized apps. What exactly do you want to do on your tablet though?
If it's web browsing, I feel Android will always deliver a superior experience (I have long tired of constantly reloading tabs on the iPad 3). If it's gaming... well, no argument, iOS usually gets more games.
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Well I don't really watch much video away from my PC anyway, and I hardly ever watch any movies either. You've hit the nail on the head though, it's what I plan to do on it that makes the difference. I do a lot of social media stuff, reading, some browsing, games and a bit of video. Reading is far better on a 4:3 screen in portrait. I like 16:9 in portrait on my PC for reading, but trust me it's very different on a tablet. Also, I can't even get a half-decent way of using Facebook on the XTZ either. The official app is awful and Friendster which is supposed to be great is honestly rubbish.
Really it's just something to waste time on, read stuff on and be a convenient portable web browser. A 10" tablet isn't very convenient tbh and the Nexus 7 isn't either when it's so similar to my phone that's already in my pocket. An 8" 4:3 screen is a lot different from a 4.7" or 7" 16:10 screen. It's big enough to be something I want to use over my phone in some situations and small enough that it can travel most places quite easily.
It's just personal preference, it's been said a million times, but I think you already know that. Back on topic though.
Im so frustrated by the touch screen on my ZU, its so Sensitive (or under Sensitive ) that i always accidentally select items or make phone calls when i scroll through lists. I've updated to latest firmware already but same thing
Is no one else experiencing this? I only see a complaint occasionally. I brought the phone to Sony of Taiwan and they said it seems normal and dont recommend i send it in for repair.
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Im so frustrated by the touch screen on my ZU, its so Sensitive (or under Sensitive ) that i always accidentally select items or make phone calls when i scroll through lists. I've updated to latest firmware already but same thing
Is no one else experiencing this? I only see a complaint occasionally. I brought the phone to Sony of Taiwan and they said it seems normal and dont recommend i send it in for repair.
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Things like this are always a double edged sword.
On 1 hand people will see this as an issue and dislike it, or others like myself will like it as it makes the screen effortless to interact with.
I can see your point though, especially if you are coming from a device with a screen not as sensitive.
I come from an iphone, and have played extensively with a S 3,none of which have these issues,and are just as effortless
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Things like this are always a double edged sword.
On 1 hand people will see this as an issue and dislike it, or others like myself will like it as it makes the screen effortless to interact with.
I can see your point though, especially if you are coming from a device with a screen not as sensitive.
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I come from an iphone, and have played extensively with a S 3,none of which have these issues,and are just as effortless
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Are you running the latest update? .475.
viclee888 said:
Im so frustrated by the touch screen on my ZU, its so Sensitive (or under Sensitive ) that i always accidentally select items or make phone calls when i scroll through lists. I've updated to latest firmware already but same thing
Is no one else experiencing this? I only see a complaint occasionally. I brought the phone to Sony of Taiwan and they said it seems normal and dont recommend i send it in for repair.
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I had this problem with the Sony Tablet Z and it drove me crazy.. a software update fixed the issue but I returned the tablet anyways. But I have seen no issues like that with my Ultra Z.
Yup, updated this morning hoping for a fix but seems the same. ..trying to do factory restore right now to see if that helps
.475 seemed to have fixed that issue on my phone.
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A factory reset DID help ! The touch still has occasional issues but much better now ... Finally can use the phone properly
Sorry, it didn't help. problem still exists and Sony is telling me this is acting as suggested. I guess I'll have to wait for someone (hopefully) come up with a sensitivity adjustment.
Did you apply any screen protector as certain bad screen protector will affected the sensitive issue.
Other wise, did you a iPhone ex owner. No biased on this, but base on what I had seen so far, certain iPhone owner can't proper use Android phone due to the touch & scroll method is different. Android only need to slightly touch not like iPhone need much pressure on it.
I've removed the screen protector, same thing.
It can't be an iphone vs android thing, the problem doesn't exist on Samsung devices I've played with or my Nexus 7.
It feels more like the screen is not sensitive enough? It isn't registering that I am still scrolling and so it registers a finger "lift" and selects into an item. Same thing if I try to hold a key on the keyboard to access secondary letter (holding down on a key to select comma, for example) it'll repeat hitting that key. I have to exert a lot more pressure and be very sure my finger doesn't move to properly access the secondary key.
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I've removed the screen protector, same thing.
It can't be an iphone vs android thing, the problem doesn't exist on Samsung devices I've played with or my Nexus 7.
It feels more like the screen is not sensitive enough? It isn't registering that I am still scrolling and so it registers a finger "lift" and selects into an item. Same thing if I try to hold a key on the keyboard to access secondary letter (holding down on a key to select comma, for example) it'll repeat hitting that key. I have to exert a lot more pressure and be very sure my finger doesn't move to properly access the secondary key.
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The repeat-hitting when tap-hold is very abnormal. Why your service center didn't recognize that as a problem when they examine it? I think you should request for replacement.
I also had the same problem... touchscreen is a little bit buggy.. but the latest patch did fix a little bit.. but its still there. still far from my ip5 , s3 s4 note 1 note 2... hope they will fix these soon.
I have exactly the same problem on mine, sometimes is really hateful but for sure when rooted we will be able to change that value.
I also have major issues with the screen.
The best way to illustrate the problem is by holding a finger on the screen on the lockscreen.
It just flickers a lot like I'm tapping repeatedly on the screen.
I've updated and factory reset without it fixing anything :/
I was wrong, I still have issues. The newer firmware just made it overall a little "better" but I am going to send it in for repairs...this is ridiculous.
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I also have major issues with the screen.
The best way to illustrate the problem is by holding a finger on the screen on the lockscreen.
It just flickers a lot like I'm tapping repeatedly on the screen.
I've updated and factory reset without it fixing anything :/
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should I wait for next update?
I'm having the same issue with the screen sensitivity. It also skips when using a pencil as a stylus, which is the main reason I bought this phone- to draw and take notes. I don't like amoleds, need pentaband and can't fit anything bigger than the z ultra into my pocket. It has become very annoying, and I'm wondering if I should hold out for the next update or send it in now...I have no backup phone.
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I'm having the same issue with the screen sensitivity. It also skips when using a pencil as a stylus, which is the main reason I bought this phone- to draw and take notes. I don't like amoleds, need pentaband and can't fit anything bigger than the z ultra into my pocket. It has become very annoying, and I'm wondering if I should hold out for the next update or send it in now...I have no backup phone.
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I've sent it in yesterday.
The Sony associate said he can see the issue as being "screen more sensitive than usual" but can't promise anything. He said he will demonstrate it to his colleagues as the repair form lists the symptoms vaguely as "screen erraticly jumps" which doesn't describe the problem accurately.
I will know within 2 weeks and post the results here. I am not holding my breath, though, as I think Sony has pointed out that the specialty feature of the ZU using a pencil to control the screen is produced by turning up the sensitivity of the touch screen. Kind of like Samsung Galaxy S4's feature of allowing users to use the touchscreen with gloves on. At least Galaxy users can turn the damn feature off!
Interestingly enough, while in the repair line I met another user who has a ZU and I asked if he had the same issues. He said no, he didn't have that issue at all.
Sony Taiwan sent it back to the repair shop stating they updated it to .475 and there shouldn't be any problems. Problem is, I already had updated it to .475 when I brought it in for repairs. Problem still exists and I have them send it back. If this doesn't improve I can only blame myself....should have bought a samsung!
Apparently Sony Taiwan refuses to offer any fix for this as they stated this "sensitivity" is needed for the pencil stylus feature.
Very unfortunate, very lame.
Anyone want to buy a 2 week old Sony ZU in Taiwan?
Its not perfect but after all the criticisms i have to say i like it
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It's ok, I like mine too
What do you like about it though?
I'm getting another SIM to use in it and I think I'll like it more then, but the fact that the companion app is so poor means that the integration with bluetooth isn't an option really.
I'm quite happy with it too.
I have the 1/8 2100 version, and all seem to work well.
- It started up out of the box
- The cradles charge ( I got the extra one I ordered)
- the buttons don't fall off
- call quality is awesome
- screen sensitivity is good (sometimes a little too good, but hey)
- bluetooth, wifi and gps have a proper connection
- "back button" swipe left action works
And in general use:
- surprisingly easy to read on small screen
- even able to watch short video/tutorials on watch (very handy when needing both hands free)
- app installing/start up goes quick
- I use Minuum Keyboard now, and that is awesome, Frees up half the screen for reading conversations, perfect!
- with Minuum keyboard it's also easy to make small voice commands that turn to text, for me works even quicker than responding with the "normal phone" in the old days
by having the phone on the wrist it makes checking if you need to respond 10 times faster. Just a flick of the hand and a two finger swipe when you get a short vibrate or buzz from a message/email/update and you are ready. Where as the "normal phone" you have to get out of the pocket, check and put back.
The two biggest downside that I find, are not necessarily omate related but more smartwatch in general:
- by having the watch on your wrist, if you use it for typing, by default are using both arms. Where as a "normal phone" you can operate with one hand.
- I don't 100% like the reading angle: you have to hold your arm really parallel to the body to read without make strange neck moves. Having "landscape" mode is even worse.
I think about 35 degree angle of the arm would be a way better reading position. That maybe would be the biggest advantage of the round type smartwatches like the moto 360, the ability to adjust the screen orientation till it ergonomically fits you best.
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What do you like about it though?
I'm getting another SIM to use in it and I think I'll like it more then, but the fact that the companion app is so poor means that the integration with bluetooth isn't an option really.
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My experience is pretty much identical to timkey's. It does what its supposed to. Typing is obviously slower but its better than I thought. Screen is sharp. It's fast. And it's a phone on my wrist I think rooting it and putting on soft keys and a status bar are pretty essential though. I do find the touch screen goes a little haywire sometimes.
To help with the viewing angle, I wear it a little loose and then I can twist it slightly towards me.
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I like it because it functions just how I wanted it to. Its quite simply an android phone on your wrist, which is pretty damn awesome. Calls work pretty good, texting on this is awesome (so handy being able to just look at your wrist), and it's pretty much taken every app and game I've thrown at it so far. I also like being able to throw a song on and have handsfree music, so I can cut rebar or something at work and have music. And to top it off, I get pretty great battery life out of it. It's always lasted at least a full day, if not two. Even after two days the lowest I've had it is 30%
So, despite the company itself acting like a total noob for supporting this, it does function quite well (after some necessary patching of course). Having proper sources and support with proper firmware updates and having more tweaks android is known for available, would all just be icing on the cake.
So would those who like it buy a TS2, or has the arrogance and sheer mismanagement of Omate put you off, even though you enjoy the product?
I enjoy mine, though I can rarely use it as intended due to water issues. I have a T-Mobile sim in it. I would not only not ever buy anything associated with Omate ever again, but also not Umeox and not MTK. Never Again.
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It depends. I mean, the reality is I paid about £120 for a brand new android phone in watch form. If the TS2 was also a bargain, I'd probably get one. Hopefully they would learn some good lessons from this.
I am an engineer and did my degree in electronics, so I have some experience with product development. It was very clear to me that the timescales Omate were claiming were ridiculous and that made me question their competence. I'm still impressed they produced what they did as fast as they did. The testing problems people are experiencing are not acceptable but they are expected. Omate kinda painted themselves into an corner with their optimistic claims and high ambitions.
Now, all that said, I don't see what I would want from a TS2 that in don't get from this device. Its too small to do anything too intricate. It creates a WiFi hotspot and provides basic smartphone functionality well, which is all I need it for. Maybe if I got a 4G data plan, it might be good to have a watch that can make use of it but that's all I can think of.
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The device has potential. I could maybe live with the HW shortcomings like IP rating, non-responsive buttons, add SD-card kills back seal etc as well as HW limitations like a little too heavy and too thick. The delays and communication failure from Omate is a separate story. I believe llepen believes what he says, he is still communicating still.
What I do not accept is the crappy firmware, that is HW specific. Noproper open source either. That kills BTLE, battery etc, as well as limits the adaptations required to get Android usable on a small device. I am not talking about limiting functionality like Android Wear, but an adapted Android experience w button actionssweep. Omate/Umeox mostly relies on MediaTek, and MediaTek seem to make good HW, but are both breaking GPL and incompetent in SW development.
I love my TS. I tried to have few expectations as to not be let down if it sucked, but I was happy to find that it was just about everything I could hope for in a smartwatch. It is solidly built, not too big, the screen is very sharp and sensitive, the camera is Good Enough(tm) (though the camera app really should rotate 90 degress left, which it does in the BlueTooth tether ROM, iirc).
My one major complaint is that Omate's version Android is awful. I work around it with third-party software (e.g. Nova Launcher, All in One Gestures), and with some effort, after-market ROMs can be ported. I'm very disappointed that no sources are available, but we all knew that would be the case.
That the notification bar is always hidden bugs the heck out of me, but the BlueTooth tether ROM fixes that.
Screen-on battery life is okay; not great, not awful, but it charges very quickly, so that's usually not a big deal. Screen-off life is fantastic.
I wish I could change the DPI for Ingress. It would be so cool to be able to play on my wrist.
Working with Omate is indeed like rolling a boulder uphill, and while I'll probably never buy anything from them again until they prove themselves reliable, I do believe Le Pen is trying. And I'm as disappointed with Omate as I am with those who continue to try to poison the TS community, making productive, open collaboration difficult.
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I'm quite happy with it too.
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I agree with just about everything you say. Anymore I use my phone only for long text conversations and more-than-casual web browsing. Everything else is done on my TS. Flesky is remarkably easy to use once you get used to it (although whoever decided to put backspace next to return needs a smack in the face). I'm especially happy that it's so easy to read text on the small screen as I read lots of RSS feeds on and off all day long.
The reading angle bothered me at first, but my arm just had to get used to being held in an unfamiliar position.
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I could maybe live with the HW shortcomings like IP rating, non-responsive buttons, add SD-card kills back seal etc as well as HW limitations like a little too heavy and too thick.
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The IP rating and back seal issues don't matter much to me, but I can see how that would be a disappointment to other users. The button responsiveness, weight, and thickness are fine for me. It did seem a bit heavy for the first day or two, but I quickly got used to it.
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I wish I could change the DPI for Ingress. It would be so cool to be able to play on my wrist.
Working with Omate is indeed like rolling a boulder uphill, and while I'll probably never buy anything from them again until they prove themselves reliable, I do believe Le Pen is trying. And I'm as disappointed with Omate as I am with those who continue to try to poison the TS community, making productive, open collaboration difficult.
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I consider setting default dpi to something higher than 120, to see better and change dpi where needed
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I consider setting default dpi to something higher than 120, to see better and change dpi where needed
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Yes, but it doesn't work, and others have confirmed. Is your experience different?
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So would those who like it buy a TS2, or has the arrogance and sheer mismanagement of Omate put you off, even though you enjoy the product?
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No.
While I like the watch itself, if I were to drop another $200-$300 on a new watch, it would be from a company that can support it's device a little more competently. I really doubt we'll ever see a firmware update.
Although as long as this watch doesn't **** the bed I should be using it for a good long time. It functions pretty much like I want it to, so I don't feel the need to upgrade anytime soon.
I like it as well. After changing launcher and installing a few apps I felt it was usable. I tried for a while to use it as phone replacement. It DOES work as that, but the upsides of having a watch (smaller / lighter than a phone, won't forget something strapped to your arm and so on) doesn't really outweigh the downsides (hard to type, sometimes hard to navigate menus, small screen causing readability and layout issues, battery is slightly worse than my phone, etc). The most annoying issue though is when the screen goes into over-sensitive mode and register button press all over the place. Someone said it gets a lot better with a screen protector on, I will try that.
However, it does work great in some areas. My main use is for exercise - RunKeeper (and similar apps) works great. I can take a run, track my progress, listen to music, and see notifications if someone is trying to reach me, without needing a much more cumbersome phone jumping around in my pocket.
It's also useful when I'm outdoors, say fishing or hiking. While it isn't waterproof, it does what I need (gps / maps, tell time, make calls if I need to, no risk of dropping it).
So overall, it's a nice device (even though software and such needs some urgent updates). Maybe not great for a phone replacement but for outdoor use and exercise it's really good imo.
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Yes, but it doesn't work, and others have confirmed. Is your experience different?
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Works fine for me, using it for SuperSU and Titanium.
Well, the TS is unavailable again: Screen is black, no response to buttons (except the feedback I added with Xposed Additions to get virtual physical button) and no adb. adb is a common issue, very seldom works. But I have my device for a couple of days, I have occasionally borrowed one for time to time though.
He means that changing the DPI to 90 for Ingress doesn't work, I think, gerhardo.
Actually, I play Ingress with my TrueSmart and the stock Ingress client (only) and it mostly does work. Hacking and firing work fine from the front screen long press menu and I was even able to deploy I found recently mainly by lucky pressing in the portal view on a crunched up set of buttons there. I had previously thought deploying impossible with stock and stock. Its still impractical.
What was reported no longer working was adjusting the DPI because of some change Niantic introduced into their code at some point a while back. I have not tried that anyway.
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He means that changing the DPI to 90 for Ingress doesn't work, I think, gerhardo.
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Yes that's what I mean in particular. Ingress no longer honors density settings via App Settings. It doesn't even appear to honor ro.sf.lcd_density on the TS, though it does on my Note 2 (which is annoying since it's set to 280).
I like mine too (1/8 2100 Dev).
Straight from the box, no patch, no rom, no bootloader, no nothing. The apps tho aren't there but it's almost like when the new Xbox, Playstation or Nintendo come out - people don't introduce games until the hardware is in use. I figure the developers of apps are waiting, working and planning something awesome for all smartwatches (not just companions).
Omate, well, hopefully, lessons on their side have been learned and fingers crossed the TS2 (if there is one) will be better planned for.
Hats off to SWApp Link tho. The app is the best thing that's been introduced for me. I had my SIM in my phone originally, then the watch and now back to the phone (just to work out what is best for me - I take a lot of photos and use 4G too much so my Note 3 is where my SIM is needed most) but the app - Bluetooth aside - is absolutely wonderful.
I don't regret buying the TureSmart, nor regret using Kickstarter - I have backed many an idea over the months. My regret is that the technology in total isn't there, yet.
But thank you XDA for being here :good:
I've been seeing my taps show up as swipes on my touchscreen. Would you guys mind downloading touchscreen test, setting the zoom to 0%, and tapping around like you're typing on your keyboard? On my other phones all the taps show up as dots, but on a few of the Pixel 6 devices I've tried, like 20% of the time they are show up as small swipes.
link to the app here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.rallwell.siriuth.touchscreentest
see the small swipes happening here: https://gfycat.com/agreeablepertinentarachnid
The app hasn't been updated in nearly a year, maybe that could be an issue. But I don't have any touchscreen issues so perhaps someone else can help more.
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The app hasn't been updated in nearly a year, maybe that could be an issue. But I don't have any touchscreen issues so perhaps someone else can help more.
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The app not being updated isn't an issue. I think most people don't think they have issues with the touchscreen, but it just may not be very apparent to them. That's why I wanted people to just try it and report back. It's definitely super janky on every P6 I've tried, even the ones in store, making me think its widespread.
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I've been seeing my taps show up as swipes on my touchscreen. Would you guys mind downloading touchscreen test, setting the zoom to 0%, and tapping around like you're typing on your keyboard? On my other phones all the taps show up as dots, but on a few of the Pixel 6 devices I've tried, like 20% of the time they are show up as small swipes.
link to the app here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.rallwell.siriuth.touchscreentest
see the small swipes happening here: https://gfycat.com/agreeablepertinentarachnid
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I've noticed that as well and always thought I was just ... doing it wrong lol. Sometimes a simple tap will bring down QS or my side launcher. Sometimes a tap does nothing at all and I have to tap an icon or widget 2-3 times before the Pixel agrees to do whatever it is that tap was supposed to do.
Then again I do use an "unsupported" tempered glass screen protector, so I'm inclined to think that's the reason.
I have also seen this and am not sure if the problem is due to the screen protector that i use (not one of the officially approved ones) or the software being still a little buggy or both in combination. It happens rarely enough to not bother me much.
So I loaded the app, got my magnifier out, and tried it. I have fat fingers and it seemed to go alright. If I touched it for too long there was a tiny swipe but then I corrected my touches and almost all were dots. Itsy bitsy swipes now and again but nothing that was super obvious as a flaw. I see a ton of little dots, where are your dots?
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So I loaded the app, got my magnifier out, and tried it. I have fat fingers and it seemed to go alright. If I touched it for too long there was a tiny swipe but then I corrected my touches and almost all were dots. Itsy bitsy swipes now and again but nothing that was super obvious as a flaw. I see a ton of little dots, where are your dots?
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It just depends on the size of the itsy bitsy swipes that show up. For example mine are attached. I feel that these are too big and cause issue with the with tapping sometimes.
And actually I feel it's even worse when tapping with my index finger.
Seems good to me, I mean I got some micro swipes but I'm sure that because I swipe my finger a tiny bit.
You can't even see the dots on my 3 XL with 0 to 100 but zero swipes registered.
(I had made a post before where I didn't follow instructions so I edited all of it out and did it right).
Sure seems like a hardware issue to me.
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You can't even see the dots on my 3 XL with 0 to 100 but zero swipes registered.
(I had made a post before where I didn't follow instructions so I edited all of it out and did it right).
Sure seems like a hardware issue to me.
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thanks, it'd be good to see what other pixel 6 users see
Now that you say it, I'm pretty sure I'm experiencing the same, that would be why sometimes I have the feeling my commands are not registered. I don't know if it's software or hardware, I believe it could be easily fixed with software (a bit like a palm rejection feature, to ignore tiny slides)
I had similar experience. Once noticed my mind started exaggerating it I believe. Because I also have the same challenges with touch on my Galaxy S10 work phone. For me at least I think it's me not the P6. Will certainly try the app on both phones this weekend.
I have a completely different issue that I was suspecting for some time now. Taps don't register on the lower corners of the screen. I have to squeeze it to register. Swiping though at the same areas is working fine.
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I had similar experience. Once noticed my mind started exaggerating it I believe. Because I also have the same challenges with touch on my Galaxy S10 work phone. For me at least I think it's me not the P6. Will certainly try the app on both phones this weekend.
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I mean, from your signature, it looks like you've gone through alot of phones. How could it be you, not the P6 if you've never experienced this before on anything other than your S10?
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I mean, from your signature, it looks like you've gone through alot of phones. How could it be you, not the P6 if you've never experienced this before on anything other than your S10?
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I only have the P6 for a couple of months. The only other phone I currently have and rarely use is the S10 and I can only make a comparison to that. Or in other words, this might have been there all along and I never paid attention to it.
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I have a completely different issue that I was suspecting for some time now. Taps don't register on the lower corners of the screen. I have to squeeze it to register. Swiping though at the same areas is working fine.
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Yeah now that you mention it my lower corners don't respond either
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Yeah now that you mention it my lower corners don't respond either
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I haven't had a phone since the P3 that responds on the lower corners all the time. I've learned to live with it since it's really not all that bad and it's not always. I mean this is a mass produced phone and I'm sure all devices have little quirks like this. It's not a lunar landing module that needs nano second response it's just a phone. I find that if I obsess over the small stuff I won't enjoy the device and I really don't want to do that. That being said, I do understand what you're going after and your upset. I'm just not there.
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I haven't had a phone since the P3 that responds on the lower corners all the time. I've learned to live with it since it's really not all that bad and it's not always. I mean this is a mass produced phone and I'm sure all devices have little quirks like this. It's not a lunar landing module that needs nano second response it's just a phone. I find that if I obsess over the small stuff I won't enjoy the device and I really don't want to do that. That being said, I do understand what you're going after and your upset. I'm just not there.
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For sure. The device is fast but it feels like a step backward from all my previous phones in terms of usability since I find I often have to tap things twice or doesn't respond to touch the way I expect it to. To me this is completely unexpected. I guess most people just don't notice these issues and so if that's the case, it's never going to be fixed. I just want Google to do right but I give up. Moving on to Samsung or iphone now.
Thanks for providing the info all, I was thinking of downgrading from a Pixel 6 pro to the 6. Although the screen on the 6 pro is curve I have the exact same issue. Never experienced this on my past pixels.