Should I use the search function or just start a new thread everytime I think of a new question? I'm quite certain that anything I have problems with has never been asked and answered before. The search function is just too hard and I would rather have my hand held through the process. Here are some of my questions that I know have not been asked and answered 50 times.
My battery only goes to 90 something %
I flashed any Gingerbread rom and its stuck on the Viewsonic Birds
What rom is the best
How do I install cwm
How do install adb
How do I run nvflash
How do I flash a rom in cwm
How do I flash a rom in stock recovery
How do I flash a kernel in cwm
How do I flash a kernel in stock recovery
I've followed every step correctly installing cwm and I cant enter cwm. Why?
I know I have the drivers installed correctly but my tab isnt recognized. Why?
Why cant I see my external sdcard from my computer
What is emmc
I installed cm7 and now there is no sdcard2
Im stuck in a boot loop
Can I change emmc and sdcard into sdcard and sdcard2
Media files keep getting deleted from my sdcard. Why?
Can I disable the lock screen
Can I add a lock screen and then disable the lock screen
These are just a few of my issues. I have searched and not found an answer for these issues so if someone would walk me through each issue step by step I would be very thankful. That is until I have another question that I refuse to search for the answer for.
Reserved for future questions or I may start another thread
Reserved for more questions or links to new threads I may start asking the same questions or new questions that I know have not been answered
I understand your frustration. I too find it annoying to see the same damn questions being asked almost every single day in a new thread.
But I think your exercise in venting would have been both good for a chuckle AND useful if you would have taken the time to turn those questions into links to the threads that actually deal with them.
Just sayin'...
How could I? I couldn't find the answers with the search function
Touché. Well played Sir...
What is interesting, is that a lot of time those who post don't pay attention to the
"Here are the similar threads we found:"
section that appears after they have put in their title for their post... For instance, when I put in "what is emmc?" here are the list of similar threads that should be an indication to me that "maybe I shouldn't post this question that has maybe been posted elsewhere."
attached image of search below.
As a moderator it does become frustrating that posts are continually put in the wrong forum, or weren't searched before posting.... But I do understand that it can sometimes be difficult to find something due to the nature of the beast (XDA being LARGE)... But XDA is working on a better search functionality that should hopefully alleviate that...
Heres the thing though. That similiar threads function (which I know about, run it on my forums) pulls threads from all forums. So with that said; who's to say someone's going to think it applies to them or their experience if its from the G2, or some phone forum?
Logically I myself would ignore it, since it's pulling threads from irrelevant forums
Just saying...
chugger93 said:
Heres the thing though. That similiar threads function (which I know about, run it on my forums) pulls threads from all forums. So with that said; who's to say someone's going to think it applies to them or their experience if its from the G2, or some phone forum?
Logically I myself would ignore it, since it's pulling threads from irrelevant forums
Just saying...
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When you are trying to post a new thread you are right, it displays similar threads in all of XDA but users within threads can use "search this thread" to limit the search to that particular thread (hopefully) before trying to post a new thread.
What I've seen using the "Search This Thread" function is that being this is a very active forum since November of last year that the results that a search brings back may contain a lot of sometimes irrelevant results. Especially when you use really often used keywords like "Market" or "Force Close" or "Bricked" (you get the idea).
I'm not excusing the folks that post all of those duplicate threads but just trying to understand them.
And if you search for "Market" only on google you will get a lot of worthless info as well. Narrow your search a little. "Market force closes when opening". "My tab is stuck in a boot loop"....etc
So, I'm going to wait until the official ICS update appears for my SII. (supposedly 19th of March)
However, I still want root without flashing a custom kernel. (not wanting to increment the custom flash counter)
My understanding is that if I update to the official ICS update then the usb jig becomes useless in resetting the counter. Is that correct?
The current method I used to root was via superoneclick, however.. that no longer works with ICS right?
If for example I wanted to reset the counter (if I did use a custom kernel for root) could I downgrade from the official ICS back to GB (using odin) and then use the usb jig to reset it?
NB. I use root for titaniumbackup, adaway and lbe privacy guard.
About half of what you've written is incorrect, and you can find the correct information from a little bit of searching and reading.
FORUM RULES
1. Search before posting.
oinkylicious said:
About half of what you've written is incorrect, and you can find the correct information from a little bit of searching and reading.
FORUM RULES
1. Search before posting.
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Huh, that's the second post I've seen of yours that is entirely unhelpful.
You can only do so much searching and this sub-forum is called "Q&A"...
AFAIK you don't need to flash a GB Rom to make usb jig work you can just flash an old bootloader and usb jig should work like a charm after that
You got that response because this question is answered several times a day on here. And the answer can be easily found with a few minutes legwork. XReal is correct. You can flash the old bootloader & a jig will work. So it looks like you've got a bit of research/searching (to find said bootloader) to do.
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Huh, that's the second post I've seen of yours that is entirely unhelpful.
You can only do so much searching and this sub-forum is called "Q&A"...
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You got that response because this question is answered several times a day on here. And the answer can be easily found with a few minutes legwork. XReal is correct. You can flash the old bootloader & a jig will work. So it looks like you've got a bit of research/searching (to find said bootloader) to do.
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Still, there was no need for it. A better response would have been to either choose not to respond or post with a link to a post answering the questions. XDA has been getting a very bad reputation because of posts like the above. (hell I've been a lurker on here for quite a while opting instead to read information and posts rather than posting because of the above)
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Still, there was no need for it. A better response would have been to either choose not to respond or post with a link to a post answering the questions. XDA has been getting a very bad reputation because of posts like the above. (hell I've been a lurker on here for quite a while opting instead to read information and posts rather than posting because of the above)
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Its getting a bad rep because people refuse to search and clog the forums up with already answered questions
There's even a sticky in general saying don't create ice threads...people still do it
This is a development forum, not a spoonfeed n00bs & lazy people whatever they demand forum. And it certainly isn't a democracy. If people want to gain anything from their time here, they need to read & learn.
People who don't like that can go to Sammobile for all I (and a lot of people here) care.
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Still, there was no need for it. A better response would have been to either choose not to respond or post with a link to a post answering the questions. XDA has been getting a very bad reputation because of posts like the above. (hell I've been a lurker on here for quite a while opting instead to read information and posts rather than posting because of the above)
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Its getting a bad rep because people refuse to search and clog the forums up with already answered questions
There's even a sticky in general saying don't create ice threads...people still do it
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Sure, people are posting ICS threads in general. Sure, there are people who are a bit ignorant but nothing is achieved by being rude. If it's been said a million times then don't post, let the thread die rather or until a mod locks it.
As to the bad rep, yep.. it's definitely because of people saying "use search" or "noobs". If you like I'd be perfectly happy to provide some examples? (oops, can't post urls at the moment until I've hit 8 posts)
There is a level of people keeping up with information and using search. And people who don't keep a constant watch on threads. (hence my post, I can't say I'm too enthusiastic about trawling through endless posts.. I did a bit of reading and searching, wasn't 100% sure so I thought I'd post in a question and answer sub-forum)
Anyway, I've derailed my own thread enough. xReal gave me the confirmation I was after.
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As to the bad rep, yep.. it's definitely because of people saying "use search" or "noobs".
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its got nothing to do with that at all
Like i said, its because people refuse to search, refuse to read and refuse to educate themselves. Everyone just wants spoonfeeding.
Why do people insist on opening a new ICS thread when they could just ask their question in an existing thread? Theres plenty of them....it because people WONT search - they want the answer there and then like its something they deserve
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its got nothing to do with that at all
Like i said, its because people refuse to search, refuse to read and refuse to educate themselves. Everyone just wants spoonfeeding.
Why do people insist on opening a new ICS thread when they could just ask their question in an existing thread? Theres plenty of them....it because people WONT search - they want the answer there and then like its something they deserve
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To be fair, search is pretty bad unless you know the exact terms to search for. And reading through threads can often span a significant number pages. People see those gigantic threads and can only read so much before they become either frustrated or disillusioned.
Pretty often I've just resorted to using google site search because it gives better results than the inbuilt site search. This is a problem endemic of all large forums.
Of course there are poorly worded, poorly thought out posts where the person has not read or searched. But nothing is ever achieved by jumping up and down whilst screaming about noobs and demanding they use search. In less time than it took to post about noobs and using search a reply could have been formed linking to a thread with the answer or simply it could have been left to die with all the chaff posts.
To be fair, search is pretty bad unless you know the exact terms to search for. And reading through threads can often span a significant number pages. People see those gigantic threads and can only read so much before they become either frustrated or disillusioned.
Pretty often I've just resorted to using google site search because it gives better results than the inbuilt site search. This is a problem endemic of all large forums.
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yep the search is bad on here, using google with XDA added in the search terms works fine though and provides 95% of required results
In less time than it took to post about noobs and using search a reply could have been formed linking to a thread with the answer or simply it could have been left to die with all the chaff posts.
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OR, if they read up themselves, they wouldnt have to wait for an answer or get flamed from other users...it works both ways.
The only reason you are seeing so many 'use the search function' posts is because these inane threads with questions that have already been asked ans answered pop up more now than any other kind of thread...put it this way....i no longer come to this forum to garner knowledge/info/mods/techniques or anything like that anymore, i just come here to see what other useless threads have been created and what the responses were to said thread...its becoming entertaining as well as frustrating (theres also a reason why a lot of oinkylicious' recent posts contain the copied pasted section from the forum rules:
1. Search before posting
If people aren't doing this, then they are breaking forum rules and should be given a 'vacation'
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yep the search is bad on here, using google with XDA added in the search terms works fine though and provides 95% of required results
OR, if they read up themselves, they wouldnt have to wait for an answer or get flamed from other users...it works both ways.
The only reason you are seeing so many 'use the search function' posts is because these inane threads with questions that have already been asked ans answered pop up more now than any other kind of thread...put it this way....i no longer come to this forum to garner knowledge/info/mods/techniques or anything like that anymore, i just come here to see what other useless threads have been created and what the responses were to said thread...its becoming entertaining as well as frustrating (theres also a reason why a lot of oinkylicious' recent posts contain the copied pasted section from the forum rules:
1. Search before posting
If people aren't doing this, then they are breaking forum rules and should be given a 'vacation'
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Again, if people weren't so eager to be so rude this site would be much less frustrating for everyone involved. Case in point look at the tag added to this thread or oinkylicious' post. Not helpful to anyone in the least.
If someone can't contribute to a thread in a useful manner then don't post. The post rate is of a relatively high ratio that it'll quickly disappear into the ether.
And again, people can only do so much searching and reading. As you yourself said the site search is pretty bad and posts can often span a significant number of pages making reading up nigh on impossible unless you spend an inordinate amount of time obsessing over everything. You can't expect people to know everything.
I promised an example url earlier. Since I'm still not at 8 posts, I'll post it without the "http://" and hope the filter doesn't pick it out: pay.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/pse0m/rant_about_xda_short_and_angry_but_bear_with_me/
There is one heck of a lot of valid criticism in there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1501719
this should work
EvilMonkeySlayer said:
Again, if people weren't so eager to be so rude this site would be much less frustrating for everyone involved. Case in point look at the tag added to this thread or oinkylicious' post. Not helpful to anyone in the least.
If someone can't contribute to a thread in a useful manner then don't post. The post rate is of a relatively high ratio that it'll quickly disappear into the ether.
And again, people can only do so much searching and reading. As you yourself said the site search is pretty bad and posts can often span a significant number of pages making reading up nigh on impossible unless you spend an inordinate amount of time obsessing over everything. You can't expect people to know everything.
I promised an example url earlier. Since I'm still not at 8 posts, I'll post it without the "http://" and hope the filter doesn't pick it out: pay.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/pse0m/rant_about_xda_short_and_angry_but_bear_with_me/
There is one heck of a lot of valid criticism in there.
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Bunch of whiny users in that link you posted. And the important word here is 'users'.
You, like a lot of people are clearly under the misapprehension that XDA is a users forum. It is not. It is a development forum where users are tolerated provided certain 'rules' are adhered to by said users.
On XDA, developers come first, second, third, fourth, fifth and seventh. People who are prepared to read, learn and put in a bit of effort beyond searching for 20 seconds & throwing their hands in the air because they can't find something come sixth. And people who demand everything to be given to them on a silver platter don't figure into the equation whatsoever.
And your criticisms are completely invalid in the case of the question you asked, the answer is easily found in a minute in spite of XDA's crappy search facility (anyone who has been here more than 5 minutes knows to use Google with XDA appended to search terms). Why ? Because it's asked on here several times a day.
You can keep on digging a hole for yourself if you want tho.
Edit to add - Looks like it's your lucky day that I have fat fingers :-|
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Again, if people weren't so eager to be so rude this site would be much less frustrating for everyone involved.
Maybe but this is a developers forum not a fix my phone forum .
Search may well be hard but as 90% of troublesome posters dont even bother to read the stickies faqs or guides dont mind reading the posts on the page they post on why should they be helped .
You asked
My understanding is that if I update to the official ICS update then the usb jig becomes useless in resetting the counter. Is that correct?
Its been asked multiple times their is even a post covering the topic .
First post on Google
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-1296161.html
You asked
f for example I wanted to reset the counter (if I did use a custom kernel for root) could I downgrade from the official ICS back to GB (using odin) and then use the usb jig to reset it?
Yet another question that has been answered multiple times .
Noobs come on here and get help all the time but their is a massive uprising by those that actually take the time to help against the ones that totally ignore the rules and demand everything dumped in their lap . If you where one of a few you would have got an answer but you are one of many sadly for this forum and its getting worse day by day .
jje
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Bunch of whiny users in that link you posted. And the important word here is 'users'.
You, like a lot of people are clearly under the misapprehension that XDA is a users forum. It is not. It is a development forum where users are tolerated provided certain 'rules' are adhered to by said users.
On XDA, developers come first, second, third, fourth, fifth and seventh. People who are prepared to read, learn and put in a bit of effort beyond searching for 20 seconds & throwing their hands in the air because they can't find something come sixth. And people who demand everything to be given to them on a silver platter don't figure into the equation whatsoever.
And your criticisms are completely invalid in the case of the question you asked, the answer is easily found in a minute in spite of XDA's crappy search facility (anyone who has been here more than 5 minutes knows to use Google with XDA appended to search terms). Why ? Because it's asked on here several times a day.
You can keep on digging a hole for yourself if you want tho.
Edit to add - Looks like it's your lucky day that I have fat fingers :-|
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If you can't address the points and complain about "whiny users" and so forth then why are you replying?
If this site was dedicated to purely developers then there would be a number of things for said developers. Namely things like an instance of bugzilla or other software for bug tracking and git (or something else like cvs *spit*) repositories for development to ensure versions and code submitting are kept on top of.
The fact that there are Q&A, Accessories etc sub-forums rather than just forums for development only counters your assertion.
Honestly, who is digging the hole? The ones who use Ad hominems and fail to address a single point or the ones raising the criticism?
You keep replying, so surely something I'm saying is quite valid.
A quick example of what a former mod classes this forum as;
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Yes searching is in the rules and needs to be complied with, the problem most with non searchers is that they make the search harder as people search same thing and get another useless post asking the question and not the informative answers that they want.........!
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This shouldn't have to be here, but because people don't seem to get it, i want to re-emphasize it in THIS board as well.
Per board rules, do NOT post a thread without first:
1) SEARCHING THE BOARD - More likely than not, your problem is not new, and has been asked about before. If you search, your stand a good chance of finding an answer to your problem, without having to wait for somebody to answer it (again). If you don't like the board's search engine, use google:
"question" site:http://forum.xda-developers.com
Replace "question" with yours, and see what comes up.
2) READ THE STICKIES - Common issues like rooting, upgrading, and crashing are ALREADY covered in the stickies; there is no point making a new thread about it. If it is a guide on how to do something, and you don't understand it... sorry, but you probably should not be doing it. If you REALLY feel it is a badly written guide, or you know of a new thing to go with it, PM A MOD. WE can update the guides; but please, keep new threads to a min.
Red and I do not do this to be jerks. WE understand that some of this stuff can feel overwhelming and scary to a first time user. But if we had every new user posting a thread about everything already covered, we would be overrun in a day. Slower boards can handle it, but i am sorry, we just cannot. Redundant threads WILL continue to be locked down..
Thank you for actually reading this..
This shouldn't have to be here, but because people don't seem to get it, i want to re-emphasize it in THIS board as well.
Per board rules, do NOT post a thread without first:
1) SEARCHING THE BOARD - More likely than not, your problem is not new, and has been asked about before. If you search, your stand a good chance of finding an answer to your problem, without having to wait for somebody to answer it (again). If you don't like the board's search engine, use google:
"question" site:http://forum.xda-developers.com
Replace "question" with yours, and see what comes up.
2) READ THE STICKIES - Common issues like rooting, upgrading, and crashing are ALREADY covered in the stickies; there is no point making a new thread about it. If it is a guide on how to do something, and you don't understand it... sorry, but you probably should not be doing it. If you REALLY feel it is a badly written guide, or you know of a new thing to go with it, PM A MOD. WE can update the guides; but please, keep new threads to a min.
Red and I do not do this to be jerks. WE understand that some of this stuff can feel overwhelming and scary to a first time user. But if we had every new user posting a thread about everything already covered, we would be overrun in a day. Slower boards can handle it, but i am sorry, we just cannot. Redundant threads WILL continue to be locked down..
Thank you for actually reading this..
I am fed up (and I suspect most are) with new users posting the exact the same issues over and over again, making no attempt whatsoever to search a bit and see if the question has been answered before. What would be an appropriate response to such posts?
@surfatwork, my recommendation is to totally ignore them.
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surfatwork said:
I am fed up (and I suspect most are) with new users posting the exact the same issues over and over again, making no attempt whatsoever to search a bit and see if the question has been answered before. What would be an appropriate response to such posts?
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I believe the experts should link them to the appropriate thread/post if the query has been answered before. No point despising them. Always remember that everybody was once a noob.
"Despise" would be a rather strong adjective. "Annoyance" - yes. There are noobs and there are noobs. I have absolutely nothing against people asking questions and answering them - that is obviously a fundamental purpose a forum serves. But it is also important to understad that a forum is a repository of information and people seeking assistance have a duty to search, find out issues that have already been discussed and solved, before firing off a post. A forum is not a customer service helpline. I dont know about you, but I do find it annoying when someone posts about a "bricked" phone, and the top 3 threads on the forum have been discussing exactly the same thing.
If noobs had to be pointed to the relevant discussion threads every time, then why have a search button at all? I dont condone laziness.
just don't reply and ignore them, simple